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When mob guys beat up small shopkeepers for money it makes me happy because the two worst classes (lumpenproles and the petit-bourgeois) are fighting each other. Same when they get into shootouts with cops.


>two worst classes (lumpenproles and the petit-bourgeois)
They are not classes on their own.

>>690081
Yes they are

>>690083
No, the lumpenproletariat are part of the proletariat and petit-bourgeoisie are part of the bourgeoisie.

does racketeering still exist?

>>690081
if they have distinct class interests then yes they are you retard

>>690085
>the lumpenproletariat are part of the proletariat
they literally are the least revolutionary

>petit-bourgeoisie are part of the bourgeoisie
yet they constantly oscillate between the two

>>690138
Neither the bourgeoisie nor the proletariat are defined by their "class interests" or how revolutionary they are, but by their relation to the means of production.

>>690143
>but by their relation to the means of production
why are we plagued by midwit retards who never read marx and keep parroting this line without even understanding what capital relations even mean lmfao

proletarians are definitionally incentivised to struggle to abolish classes because their very livelihood depends on it due to their complete disenfranchisement from the means of production and not owning any property nor reserves. morons here are intentionally obtuse just for cheap gotchas and they dont even understand what they read or what theyre even saying themselves

>>690148
Too bad they don't give a rat's ass about these supposed "incentives" and "interests".

>>690081
>>690085
What a stupid nitpick to have that isn't even relevant to anything. Yes, the middle class is still bourgeois, especially from the point of view of the proletariat, but they are still driven to distinct politics and interests that puts them at odds with both the proletariat and the haute bourgeoisie.

>>689865
>haute bourgeoisie engineer wars that kill millions of people
>noooooo uyghurs in slums and petty tyrants owning donut shops are the real worst problems!

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>>690163
>wars are "engineered" and not an inevitability of the social relations under capitalism

>>690164
>the iraq war happened due to some sort of abstract "inevitability" and not because of specific actions of people in government at the time

>>690165
>abstract "inevitability"
its as abstract as saying capitalism exists at the expense of the proletariat (it isnt)

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>>690165
>Great Man theory

>>690148
>proletarians are definitionally incentivised to struggle to abolish classes
why don't you go to sri lanka and ask random laborers if they're planning to die to overthrow the american empire and see how many of them say yes

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>>690169
>abolishing classes somehow means overthrowing some government on the other side of the world

>>690168
oh yes, how silly of me, the iraq war wasn't engineered at all, they just bumbled their way into the war, there was no plan or anything! there is no such thing as individuals in government being vested with political power in a bourgeois republic and then using that political power!

>>690170
so you believe that communism is compatible with american imperialism?

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>>690175
>>690176
third worldists are so fucking retarded bruh

>>690169
>>690176
>proletarians in Sri Lanka should first take over America before their own fucking government
Lmao what.

>>690179
>thing i never said
lmao what

>>690181
>why don't you go to sri lanka and ask random laborers if they're planning to die to overthrow the american empire and see how many of them say yes
How do you not see how fucking moronic this hypothetical even is?

>>690182
moronic in that you're never going to do it?

>>690085
tbh many ppl who get labeled as lumpenproles are basically just petty boug w/o legal sanction. a Neighborhoods crack dealer is basically running a small buisness with the actual schmucks running plays and serving Js being lumpen.

anyways, anyone ever noticed how similar the mafia and other criminal organizations are to pre modern governments? they operate very similarly to feudal europe for example, even the same extortion and recketeering methods

>>690215
yes, back in my old childhood neighborhood local sets would basically pledge fealty to larger national level gangs like the bloods and BDs based off of family ties and trade routes.

>>690177
Bordiga wasnt a third worldist

>>690163
>petty tyrants owning donut shops
JD Vance: "yeah I'll have whatever makes sense"
Fascist donut lady: 👹

The mob isn't lumpen, they're aligned with police and allowed to work within sets of expectations, they absolutely have a place within the system.

The mob is a petit-bourgeois ideal organization.

Why do liberal writers/directors glorify gangsters but demonize communists?


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