this type of a mfer hate thread
in this thread we discuss about how much we fucking hate this type a mfer
they are not welcome here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>690106"we" you're the only nuisance here
go back to reddit
I'm not judging you for posting cartoon porn of petite characters from eastern rape wonderland, but there is such a thing as loli for paedophiles and
>>690136 is pretty close to it.
>>690106Supposing things one does interact with/sense has no -impact- on them is rather bold- like in inquiry with things there occurs a sense-knowledge of the said thing in the mind.
If you see an art where two men are hugging, it would be a part of my mind as now I sense it. And whether it would make me desire huggin an another man or not might be uncertain, but prolly I'd be more likely to.
>>690302Ah, figured as much. I remembered a brainworm on twitter where people would have yuh-huh nu-uhs over "it's just a drawing" which I guess the Type of Guy you're addressing in the OP is going off of.
I'm glad people on fedi have more of a "dead dove don't eat*" approach to these things. If someone sees a post from baraag or whatnot they can just mute the instance.
*
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Dead_Dove:_Do_Not_Eat >>690304>baraag is that the pixiv instance? i havent used fedi since all the people i hate are on there.
anyways, doubling down on my argument to satiate my own ego, there is no evidence that individuals that view cartoons and drawings depicting fictitious child sexual abuse are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse in the real world. this was backed up by research done in a study by the "sexologisk klinik" for the danish government, [
https://cphpost.dk/2012-07-23/general/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless/] which fortunately does not have any laws against lolicon. oddly enough, in practice these laws disproportionately affect lgbtq individuals, for example, in 2019 a russian court sentenced a trans woman to three years in prison for posting erotic drawings on her blog, fortunately in 2020, the russian court overturned the conviction and released her. [
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-court-overturns-transgender-woman-child-pornography-conviction-orders-retrial-today-2020-01-23/]
i wish for less censorship of pornography in the world.
>>690315there is also an interesting argument to be made about what importance the supposed age of a fictional character is. a legal expert in poland questioned the legitimacy of a law on the matter, arguing that "it is not possible to unquestionably confirm the age of a depicted person, since such a person does not in fact exist". another interesting anecdote that made me think about the irrelevance of a fictional characters age, the creator of the series "king of the hill" originally intended the character hank hill to be 49, but when a network executive said he should be younger, he just arbitrarily lowered the age, picrel. why wouldn't the same apply to lolicon? in
either direction?
also in poland, a painter was charged with "presenting processed images of minors engaging in sexual acts with intent to sell on an online auction website" the artwork in question depicted sexual acts between children and
priests and were intended as a social commentary on the subject of catholic church sexual abuse cases. (typical poland moment.) thankfully the court acquitted the painter of all charges.
>>690115>Ideological pedophilia?Victorian British ideology
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Speculation_of_sexual_conduct_by_scholars_(1940s_onwards)<Several other writers and scholars have challenged the evidential basis for Cohen's and others' views about [Lewis Carrol's] potential exploitative behaviour. Hugues Lebailly has endeavoured to set Dodgson's child photography within the "Victorian Child Cult", which perceived child nudity as essentially an expression of innocence.[110] He claims that Dodgson's diaries contained numerous entries that reveal an appreciation for adult women, as well as their appearance in art and theatre, even "vulgar" entertainment. Dodgson's nieces removed such references from early manuscripts of Dodgson's diaries, but kept references to children, because such appreciation was not controversial at the time.Lebailly claims that studies of child nudes were mainstream and fashionable in Dodgson's time and that most photographers made them as a matter of course, including Oscar Gustave Rejlander and Julia Margaret Cameron. Lebailly continues that child nudes even appeared on Victorian Christmas cards, implying a very different social and aesthetic assessment of such material. Lebailly concludes that it has been an error of Dodgson's biographers to view his child-photography with 20th- or 21st-century eyes, and to have presented it as some form of personal idiosyncrasy, when it was a response to a prevalent aesthetic and philosophical movement of the time."I'm not a degenerate! Being a satanist is the prevalent aesthetic and philosophical movement of our time!"
>>690315baraag has a lot of loli stuff, but nah I think you're thinking of misskey.io, that's where a lot of JP users are.
>i havent used fedi since all the people i hate are on there.Chances are they're Home Owners Assiciation people and are thus congregated on mastodon.social. thus already limited or fully defederated from whatever instance you'd pick. Fedi is fun and there's plenty of art, especially nsfw stuff. I think you'd like it if you gave it a try.
https://misskey.io/notes/a993mm480k8d0al1 >>690125i really was going to type an argument for this but it really just opens a gigantic can of worms on the topic of moral relativism, psychological identity and conscious majoritarianism which probably explains a huge amount of the social systems we function under
it really is just a matter of perspective really, the sides all essentially boil down to "you're a weird faggot for liking that shit" against "it hurts nobody" to which the former is the more common side with how evidently it takes shape in the debates about fictitious csam on the internet and it's consumption. lets just say it doesn't hurt anyone either to make fun of and exclude someone for doing it, as they can always get a new hobby
>>690149Why is it when it comes to shota and loli, people suddenly care about realism?
>>690341>lets just say it doesn't hurt anyone either to make fun of and exclude someone for doing it, as they can always get a new hobbyAnd I thought you guys are all about "morality is a spook"
>>690229I always hear this sentiment whenever loli and shota come up. Yet I never hear with fictional vs realistic portrayals of any other demographic
>>690371This reads more like you're projecting your discomfort onto some cutesy form of art.
Why are people not getting this upset about furry or gore?
And what is so pedo about getchan?
I've been on there and all they do is make posts about wanting to form a workers union.
>>690379Nothing. Because its not real.
Again, if we did the same for furry and gore, nobody would care so much.
>>690381It's not about whether something is physical or not, it's about what seeking out this type of content says about a person. There are degrees to this and i think at that of picrel you can't just handwave it away as cute
it's not absence of adult features, it's straight-up child sexualization. Do you think "it's not real" is a valid argument against GM Nazi lapers being terminal rightoids 99% of the time?
>>690407This
We have hyper realistic graphics of blood and guns in video games and they don't bat an eye
>>690452Why are you so morally obsessed with loli?
Yet you don't seem to care about hyperrealstic vione video games.
You dismiss the idea of conservatives being killed.
But when it comes to some cartoon genre, that's when you draw the line that morality is not a spook?
>>690512First they came for the lolicons
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a pedofile
Then they came for the flat chests
And I did not speak out
Because I am into big titties
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
>>690486I think you didn't get what I point, how does moral values being 'spooks' make those values desirable or not desirable to us, ain't a decisive judgement towards it would be a spook in a manner because that our criterions, the science we used in our judgement are pre-held as absolute truths, so inevitably, we mold the knowledge accordingly with those absolute criterions we used as a medium. ( but equally, what criterions we are going to use to inquire the criterions themselves ? )
Can't we say that both the fanatical moralist and the anti moralist preach over the same thing, but with opposite assumptions and criterions regarding the truth of the idea?
If one does not believe good and evil, how can you say 'freedom' of arts is a good , and the crackdown is evil?
>Why are you so morally obsessed with loli?I am not morally obsessed, but for the aestetics (morals) of the common man, it is distressing. You can say that the art is pleasant to the one, unpleasant to the other.
That's maybe why the USSR didn't take harsh measures for the Red army soldiers who engaged in rapes, those hero-souls had undergo a journey unkind, and so the sentimental human soul might find itself brought in intense situations, and punishing them accordingly to the usual law would only create more distress, (why would we punish our dear heroes?) but, if you legalize rape for the usual times, it would create common distress as well.
Like, I may see Lavrenty Beria reading Marquis de Sade and do perverted illegal things ( as per the soviet penal code ), but I'd not intervene if I think it may create more distress both for him and us, and he continuing his job as usual seemingly being the best choice to the mind, but if he continues and the distress spreads- it would be the time for his 'crime and punishment'
Tis the clash of wills- of people of different needs.
>Yet you don't seem to care about hyperrealstic vione video games.I don't care about what you goon to as well, but it is an intuitive feeling of mine that it'd be better to censor/repress the expression of any sexualization towards children rather than allowing it legally.
>>690507He should have visited during Stalin era) Kruschev reverted or loosened many 'repressions'
>>690513it doesn't,
>>690315 already provided the source, malding won't change and transforming something serious like pedophilia into a buzzword against shit you don't like is shameful, reflect on that behaviour now.
>>690524Not a single child was protected from this retarded behaviour, wanna really protect children ?, segregate them from adults in the internet.
>>690559>you are a pedophile probably, definitely a porn addled degenerateno argument, just buzzwords, seethe NPC, your attempt at reducing the seriety of pedophilia won't grow here.
>>690561>it's called the epstein list and not the xi list for a reasonYou mean Berias list lmao.
you still a shitty conservative bottom sucker tho, one day you will develop a brain to distinguish reality from fiction and support to right wing memes like ZOG or Trump to being against liberalism and israel.
>>690142funnily enough. most pedophiles also don’t act on their attraction as well. people who sexually abuse kids are often cishet men attracted to adults. so ppl who toss “pedophile” around is also doing it as a form of virtue signaling, projection (aka they’re unironically not safe around kids, or because they hate kids
>>690229i love kids and think they are beautiful beings
>>690304another fedi user here nice. there’s this term also called “pro shipping” as well but i don’t like their community much because they have this anti kid/ageist mentality, is just as worst as the “anti ship” cult, can’t take criticism and overall just feel reactionary liberals to me. i support their ideology though
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Pro-shipper >>690569>uhhh, No U.>let me do like a trumptard denying epstein, but to Beria because it's hecking slander.Beria admited to engage in rape of minors lmao, go eat a cupcake like your pedophile, But Communist!.
So much for the defence of children.
>>690511>>690513>Loli porn is cp
>Kill yourself Ahhh imageboards never change.
Also, violent video games are snuff films therefore you should off yourself
>>690555So you admit that youre a brown noser.
So if the masses call to ban communism because they think it encourages degeneracy, you should not complain.
If they call to ban imageboards, you should not complain
>>690524 >>690555Paradoxically, age discrimination laws which are meant to protect kids actually make them more vulnerable.
Most cases of child molestation is often done by family, church, or school figures
Rarely are they done by worldly figures
>>690632Then violent video games are hibrystophilia
>>690614Then you side with conservatives about music and video games
>>690614>Nah dude, you're just too dumb to consider that media may have an effect on people's behavior.you are even more stupider for thinking by simpling consuming something you will be converter.
there are 112 million people that heard the USSR anthem, but there is no where near this amount consuming other Socialist art or theory and far less communists in the english speaking world, ignoring how many times it got heard from outside this source, you won't become a commie by consuming art or theory you think it's bullshit and this belief that "oh you truly have no control over yourself, you will always be instatly affected by your consumption" is hogwash because if that was the case there would be no non liberals on the world.
and i wonder if this stupid belief is the cause of so many "is x communist or socialist or has a Comunist message" threads on Communists spaces, you people wants Air be seen as pure too much.
>>690634>So you admit that youre a brown noser.Erm, what does it really entail?
I'm indecisive about such cases, so why not go with the flow? What can you say about loli etc. beyond you like/dislike it?
And imagine a scenario: in which, when you are near some guy, your heart beats a lot, and he says stuff like he doesn't like loli and it should be banned, if he can make your heart go all bump bump and enthrall your being, surely you may consider going along with him no matter what.
>So if the masses call to ban communism because they think it encourages degeneracy, you should not complain.No, this is one of the things which directly oppose my intricate personal whims- The state of proletarian revolution should do everything it can to prevent any counter-revolutionary whim from growing and having power!!
Chekists, forward!!
(+ It's kind of silly that you expect that we hold equal valuations for all the things. Like you say 'if you decide going with the masses for x, you must do it for y too!' )
>If they call to ban imageboards, you should not complainWhat am I supposed to do though if most of the party wills it tho?
>>690651So you admit then that you're a brown noser
>Erm, what does it really entail? I'm indecisive about such cases, so why not go with the flow? What can you say about loli etc. beyond you like/dislike it?
>And imagine a scenario: in which, when you are near some guy, your heart beats a lot, and he says stuff like he doesn't like loli and it should be banned, if he can make your heart go all bump bump and enthrall your being, surely you may consider going along with him no matter what.What if your crush says they hate communism?
>No, this is one of the things which directly oppose my intricate personal whims- The state of proletarian revolution should do everything it can to prevent any counter-revolutionary whim from growing and having power!! >Chekists, forward!!
>(+ It's kind of silly that you expect that we hold equal valuations for all the things. Like you say 'if you decide going with the masses for x, you must do it for y too!' ) So then why is loli shota put in the same category as bestiality and snuff?
You admit that you're biased.
Your opinion is invalid.
>>690327>already limited or fully defederated from whatever instance you'd pickthats actually a good point, i already knew fedi had instances that were "blocked" but never really looked at other ones then the biggsest "official" ones.
>>690341>you're a weird faggot for liking that shiti really dont have too much of a problem with this, i dont care if its considered "taboo" i would assume that is part of its alure to some.
>exclude someone for doing itthis is where i take issue, for the most part harmless, like on a small site like this i don't really care if it doesn't allow loli.
i would care a lot less if my posts didn't get removed for having loli in them when they DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE LOLI IN THEM, powertripping mods >:( but if im excluded from the civic populace for wanting to draw/play/watch fictional crimes, then i have a big issue.
>I never hear with fictional vs realistic portrayals of any other demographicnta but i assume its like, if you watch a goresploitation film, you are really getting a different experience to if you watch actual footage of people dying.>>690572
>pro shippingi always really hated "shipping" as a concept and the whole culture and terminology around it, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, i guess im proship.
>>690614>consider that media may have an effect on people's behaviorconsidered it, dismantled it itt, see:
>>690315>>690318>>690641all those things are A-OK, alright?
>>690733>>You want to implement an online age id that actually prevent kids from being groomed online by adults? What the fuck are you some fascist chud???It is in fact a bad thing for countries and companies to demand platforms deanonymize their users. No nuance, no exceptions.
Online safety–as in anonymity and pseudonymity absolutism–is the only viable and necessary means of protecting kids online.
On the admin end, I'd say do what fedi instances already do: require a little paragraph about yourself to register, encourage or require a personal website for every user, and vet every registered user manually. If your site can't do that, it shouldn't have user submitted content. That stops most bots and minors.
>>690737>The only viable means of online safety is teaching minors complicated anonymity rule and etiquette they will not be able to comprehendCome on anon. Tweens will not understand how to set up a tor node. And this becomes even harder when you reach platform that encourages you to show your face like omegle or tiktok or IG
The only real way is to implement age based segregation which would require deanonimity
>>690743Most adults dont know how to set aTor node either.
Again, age segregation will not stop child exploitation.
May as well implement gender and racial segregation on the Internet as well.
>>690738>I think its crazy to pretend like it doesn't have anything to do with pedophilia. Of course it does! I can't even begin to understand how you can argue otherwise. That is, going by the psychological understanding of pedophilia as a sexual/emotional attraction to children regardless of if that person is some sadist or actually wants to exploit kids.So, by that definition, violent movies are sexual/romantic attraction to murder
Furry art is bestiality.
>>690524Any law that implies child protection is actually about protecting the conveniences of adults.
It's never about child safety.
>>690737This.
Irony is, child safety laws like digital ID just force kids into a social purgatory where they're deprived of the greater world which makes them more vulnerable.
Most cases of child molestation are often done by pedagogical figures.
And irony is, kids who grow up sheltered from adults are often the most susceptible to abuse
In fact, in the west, age segregation has resulted in a less mature society
See how slight age gaps in youth years are considered "power imbalance".
People like
>>690743 and
>>690511 only care about kids as charity cases to be "taken care of".
They seem to think that adults, especially with cognitive disabilities, aren't vulnerable and deserving of the same patronisation
>>690751It can be though.
But I'm talking bout how this anti loli logic could be easily applied to furry and gore.
Hyper realistic gore graphics in video games could be interpreted as encouraging violence.
Remember the typical conservative talking point about how "video games encourage mass shootings"?
>>690754Just because lolicon doesn't cause molestation doesn't mean it automatically isn't based on pedophilic desire.
Pedophiles don't need to be interested in manifesting their sexual interest in the real world to be pedophiles. People thrilled by the idea of violence can partake in violent games and movies and not manifest that interest in the real world.
>>690673>What if your crush says they hate communism?Idk? I don't have a crush, and for some cases that didn't happen, I can't speculate
>So then why is loli shota put in the same category as bestiality and snuff?>You admit that you're biased.Everyone's biased, I've never tried to affirm that I am neutral or I follow some kind of universal reason.
>Your opinion is invalid.What reedems the opinion as valid? Wasn't that what we texted about from the start?
>>690741since when does one require consent to be
attracted to someone? lol, complete nonsense.
>>690847>Lolishota gooners are almost always retarded 4cuck Nazicels, retarded lolberts or retarded anarkiddiebecause most commies join radlibs in shitting on them all the time, you think they will join a group that hates them ?.
just look at furries, just as reactionary and festered with nazis but they are not hated by communists, so you can genuinely find some communist furries, it's simple cause and effect.
>>690880>It stems from bourgeois moralityWhat's the difference between proletarian and bourgeouis moralities??
Any depictions that can be categorized as 'lolisho' were prohibited/unpresent in the Soviet Art, and might be punishable as per the Soviet penal code!! It is against the PROLETARIAN MORALITY and is a threat both to the REVOLUTION, the WILL OF THE PARTY and the PROLETARIAN LAW
such TREASON must NOT be TOLERATED
>>690931The Soviet Union's antagonism to lolicon stems from their was DOGMATISM and IDEALISM.
The COMMUNISM of the MODERN age is SPEARHEADED by nothing else but the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of CHINA, which is also the VANGUARD of LOLI SEX DOLL PRODUCTION.
>>690879>>690847This is a nice strawman if I ever seen one.
Most loli shota fans are centrists at best.
Irony is ,loli and shota are hated by the right, accused of being pedophilic ttranshumanists
>>690899>you have to accept… things that are upsetting to you.With the same logic, if we are presented multitude of choices regarding something, won't we intuitively choose the least upsetting , or the most pleasant option?
We can superficially say that the morality of the thing is up to this abstract idea of artistic pleasure, but upon inspection, what will we realize? What are morality, or moral choices, really about?
>>690934No context screenshot by the way. What are 'those' dolls?
https://english.court.gov.cn/2015-12/01/c_761557_32.htmArticle 364 of PRC criminal law
Whoever disseminates pornographic materials including books, periodicals, movies, video-audio tapes and pictures, if the circumstances are serious, shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than two years, criminal detention or public surveillance.
Whoever arranges for shows of pornographic audio-video products including movies and video-tapes shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years, criminal detention or public surveillance and shall also be fined; if the circumstances are serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than three years but not more than 10 years and shall also be fined.
Whoever produces or duplicates pornographic audio-video products including movies and video-tapes and arranges for their show shall be given a heavier punishment in accordance with the provisions of the second paragraph of this Article.
Whoever disseminates pornographic materials to a minor under the age of 18 shall be given a heavier punishment.
Article 367
For the purpose of this Law, pornographic materials refer to obscene books, periodicals, movies, video-and audio-tapes, pictures, etc. that explicitly portray sexual behavior or undisguisedly publicize pornographic materials.
Scientific works on human physiology or medical knowledge are not pornographic materials.
Literary and art works of artistic value which contain erotic contents shall not be regarded as pornographic materials.
…
Really wonder if lolisho content is whether considered as "obscene books, periodicals, movies, video-and audio-tapes, pictures, etc. that explicitly portray sexual behavior…" or " Literary and art works of artistic value which contain erotic contents " , it's up to the judge I guess XD
>>690939>lmaoI believe in everything that the party says, it is the dearest oath my soul whispered which blended in the coldest winds, that single whisper surrounding me and keeping me all warm!~
>>690951>No context screenshot by the way. What are 'those' dolls?https://catdoll.us/product-category/dolls/in-stock-dolls/ ←
NSFW linkIts from the FAQ section of catdoll
Although my post was mostly a joke since I find it funny that occasionally Chinese nationalists will take shots at Japan for lolicon when they are the world's child sex doll factory.
>>690962What the heck
Perhaps the state needs more regulations over those small scale manufactories…
>>690951Morality is bourgoise, proles don't have the energy for that shit. The vast majority of proles are running on some basic system of ethics and don't care about the hyperpedantry of if ethics is morality or not. You don't get into a tantrum on facebook about seeing a woman wearing jeans because that was forbidden in Victorian era britain because Popcicle Man said so in the Bibble or the 24/7 news cycle had a segment on it if you're doing real work each day.
Morality is what bored managers concern themselves with so they have more shit to manage.
>>690968Ever since seeing picrel I've been baffled I haven't seen furries making sex dolls. It can't be that hard, just silicon in an action figure made of PVC or whatever the food safe one is.
>>690962I will never understand the obsession with trying and failing to jump the uncanny valley. If you're gonna make a sex doll or android or something why emulate humans at all. We're not that interesting looking of a species. It's actively in our best interest to not test our instincts like that or you'll drive yourself insane hyperscrutinizing every human like how the TERFs ended up doing to themselves.
>>690965hey if it prevents pedos from harming kids then i’ll take it
>>690994exactly this. both normies and people who consumed darker content never care about attention until everyone migrated to twitter bc of the tumblr porn ban in 2018 and again in 2020 because of the pandemic. i honestly feel like cringe culture started this stuff tho and then it transformed into a moral crusade or outrage over drawings which made the side getting bullied for it want attention. there are definitely lolisho enjoyers who just want to be left alone because they goon to it peacefully in private or in their own space but they constantly get harassed for it afterwards
>>690880>You call yourself a communist but you cannot see where this puritan crusade will arrive at its logical conclusion? uygha this is fascism, this is the end game of liberalismonline “leftism” oftentimes tend to be cancer. most online “leftists” don’t even do shit and are yt irl privileged middle class irl that is less oppressed than your average black mentally ill queer that knows a bit of leftist theory but is well verse in black liberation that most of them tend to be ignored or harassed over.
i remember when a communist advocated for colonialism just because marx seems to be in support of it too. even your average elderly couple who volunteers at the soup kitchen after church every sunday’s has done more direct action than most internet leftists.
i remember coming across a tweet making a joke about how black people are conservative republicans meanwhile white people are maoists or MLS and im starting think its true as time flies by especially after reading from someone else that ML is close to nazi theory but idk how true that is cause it came from an anarchist who was also a groomer apologist
>Anti-lolisho is liberalism. It stems from bourgeois moralityalso true but i also saw liberals who claim to be “leftists” aka most “pro shippers” be pro lolisho. they also tend to hate on kids too. i dont mind the pro shipping ideology since im basically one by definition but i will never like them or their community
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also nice seeing youth lib ideals being promoted and said in this threat to combat the same ageism from anti lolicons. something i realized about these antis is that they tend to be extremely strict when it comes to kids having freedom or be anti kid in general. the way these antis also constantly fantasize about people hurting or sexualizing kids, or even kids turning out to be “evil rapists” or even go as far as to think they’re gonna end up as abusers for looking at porn, gotta be predators or abusive people in the making. which the latter is already true judging by this thread
>>690741tbh most pedophiles aren’t interested in kids and don’t sexualize real kids either. only fictional underage characters. unless they’re another one of those pedos who believe kids can consent or whatever
>>690990You don't understand, even though I constantly try to display the notion that I don't care what anybody thinks I need APPROOOVAL from other random internet strangers to do what I like to do.
nta
>>691081And i don't even like lolishit its just so annoying when people who inhabit the online equivalent of the hood is trying to appeal to normalcy
Neither the people who defend and obsess about hating this topic are normal
I think it's also worth noting, as has been before, that a lot of lolisho content doesn't really resemble children outside of proportions and alleged purity. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but real children are pudgy and snotty and gross, not the pure elvish beings lolisho tends to portray. I'll spare the thread my semi-psychotic theories of sexuality based on Bataille and de Sade but suffice it to say that I think ultimately it's just a size thing and idolization of purity rather than redirected attraction to real actual children. I don't doubt nor will I argue that there are definitely actual pedophiles who use lolisho to get off, but I don't think they're remotely the majority.
Contrast this with other ostensibly objectionable fetishes like scat or guro, depictions of which more closely match the real act. The lady shitting on your face might not look like a Nikke waifu, but that's hardly important because the main focus is the shit, which looks more or less exactly how it's drawn. I guess more simply most drawn pornography is attempting to emulate something real, while lolisho is attempting to emulate something entirely idealized. Furshit is the same but that's far less controversial outside ED and 4chan.
Whether or not this still ultimately means something greater or still offends someone's morality I don't know, nor do I frankly care, because there are far far more important things going on in the world than pixels on my computer.
>>691164If you don't care about how people judge you, why're you offended?
Why waste time arguing when you can just make your own space?
>>691151>Real kids are pudgy snotty and gross.Why do people always say this when having to differentiat between Loli and pedophilia?
You can still think kids look cute without being sexual
Most drawn porn is entirely idealized
Lolishot isn't the only one
Most women aren't as hot not graceful in real life.
But in drawn porn they're idealized as passive curvy slim and bouncy.
>>691171It isn't really your space though, it's a shared space.
Also, you know what you want out of your space, so why don't you make that space then?
>>691172I'll admit I let my own mild pedophobia (as in fear of children, not pedos) taint it a little there, but my point still stands. Aesthetically loli is often closer to petite women or fairy/elf than child. Because of this it's idealized to the point that only anthros beat them, but barely. A sexual partner that has those proportions and purity while not looking like a 3d child doesn't exist outside of rare cases of certain genetic disorders. Meanwhile say a generic adult anime woman might be idealized, but less so. Her tits may be perkier and skin might be clearer than a roughly equivalent 3d woman but she isn't far removed. Her form is idealized, but she doesn't represent an entirely ideal figure like a loli/shota might. It's not perfect, as I said previously, obviously lolisho is going to attract actual pedos that are going to prefer to draw lolis that look closer to real children but generally speaking the average weeb that goons to a fotm loli, or even a diehard lolicon, does not necessarily desire the form of a real child.
>>691181Not what I said cheef but get mad at the ghosts in your head if you must.
>>691100>posts obviously wrong thing>gets called for being wrong>can't counter argue without a witch hunt to back it up.>so instead of doing that does a green text strawman of OP.>>691147>a great sum of you are pedophiles.yet to see this great sum of pedophiles that like loli, the only way this can be real is if you conflate both as the same thing.
if that is the case we could brand anyone pedophile, the retard in your pic call himself a socialist/anarchist/whatever he changed to that week, so is every[market bought ideology] a bunch of pedophiles ?
also the rest is rent free behaviour, seek professional help you obsessed blindly.
>>691252>yet to see this great sum of pedophiles that like lolilol. lmao.
Have you never used lolicon forums? ATF for example? I mean on ATF its pretty open that its a place for pedophiles.
>>691256>Have you never used lolicon forumsno, don't like social media and only use for the bare minimun
>ATF for example? I mean on ATF its pretty open that its a place for pedophiles.not really actual, how many of these fucks are actually atracted to minors ?, all, 50%, 5% ?, it all it just shows is that there are places where they are comfortable with this ilk, at least formally, that's bad but not a torch against everyones that likes lolicon.
just like furries have places where they like actual animals, E621 mods aparently are these, this doesn't make every furry a lover of zoophilia irl, it just a hyperbole against shit you don't like.
>>691268>not really actual, how many of these fucks are actually atracted to minors ?Visit the Grey Zone section sometime.
>that's bad but not a torch against everyonesWhy is it bad? Its just honest. I think its ok to be a lolicon but you should just be honest if you have pedophilia. ComicLO is another example, its pretty much the main magazine for loli doujins and they have all sorts of illustrations about how pedophile readers should keep it 2D. The whole crusade about how loli content is unrelated to pedophilia is, as far as I know, alien to its birthplace of Japan. Japanese loli content having bigger eyes and snot-free noses and all.
Sure, perhaps not every single lolicon will qualify as a pedophile. So you shouldn't take this as an assault on your person. But this revulsion to the idea of pedophilia having direct relevance to lolicon in general is crazed. That's not some inherent evil. You don't need to pray it away like the devil.
>E621 mods aparently are these, this doesn't make every furry a lover of zoophilia irlPeople who become attached to furry pornography as an identity really should ask themselves if they are attracted to animals methinks. I'm not trying to condemn them as some evil by saying that.
>>690726The right-hand side is quite funny, but each of the left side's points summarized are:
>Its not abuse materialUnrelated to if the consumers are pedophiles or not. Pedophiles can consume content that fulfills their desires without it being abuse material.
>Readers desire the sexual contact with the fictionalized character, not real childrenUnrelated to if the reason they desire sexual contact with the fictional character is because of pedophilia. Most pedophiles are probably intelligent enough to not want sex with real children, but are fine indulging in sexual art. It being fictionalized means they can feel even better when consuming it because they are not being pleasured off of abuse, but doesn't mean they don't have pedophilia.
>its not illegalOf course, because its not abuse material. Unless youre some Canadian fruitcake its obvious that its harmless and falls under freedom of expression, regardless of if the people expressing themselves are pedophilic. This isn't saying lolicon isn't related to pedophilia, its saying lolicon isn't CP.
>readers are interested in the act in some abstract imagined world, but not in the real worldI'm sure many pedophiles are interested in sex in their fantasies but are not willing to push it in the real world because of the trauma it would cause, fearing moral guilt, or fear of legal/social consequences. This doesn't mean they aren't pedophiles. And the paragraph about POCD is just completely unrelated. I have no idea why its even there.
>>691270>>691270>Might be worth finding a better instance if you're not having fun with the one you're using.what other instance, i'm talking all social midia, nor forums, i come to leftypol some times but that's it and all forum subscriptions are for shit like f95zone to get porn but that's it, never liked "social medias" that much.
>>691272>Visit the Grey Zone section sometime. no thanks, just by the name i can see what type of person will join and make duscussions there.
>Why is it bad? Its just honest. I think its ok to be a lolicon but you should just be honest if you have pedophilia.the problem is the labeling of anyone as a possible criminal in the eyes of the people over fiction anon, not that there are these types on the comunity AND that they engage on the fiction, but are actually all possible child molester IRL.
>People who become attached to furry pornography as an identity really should ask themselves if they are attracted to animals methinks.and what if they say no, that's disgusting ?, will you say they are lying and they must be attracted to real animals and call them zoophiles ?, this is my problem with this shit.
>>691277>the problem is the labeling of anyone as a possible criminal in the eyes of the people over fiction Pedophilia isn't a crime, child molestation is. If you have an attraction to children you can use your decision making abilities and moral faculties to navigate life in the correct way regardless.
Pedophiles have a higher likelihood of being child molesters, but they aren't synonymous. Pedophiles can not be criminals by, again, using good decision-making abilities and moral sense.
>and what if they say no, that's disgusting ?, will you say they are lying and they must be attracted to real animals and call them zoophiles ?As I said in my previous post, you shouldn't take it as me dictating YOU as an INDIVIDUAL. Individual motivations are infinitely complicated and of course I can't read your or anyone else's mind. But, say a widespread survey of people interested in furry porn is conducted. If in this survey, it comes that most do not report being a zoophile, I would indeed suspect denialism, or a misunderstanding in how just having zoophilia doesn't mean you think actually having real-world sex with animals is moral or acceptable.
I can't read YOUR mind as to decipher YOUR intentions or YOUR motivations. But wider collective groups will have trends consistently popping up again and again that can form a sort of collective motivation.
>>691205And my point still stands. That most porn is idealized figures. Especially the MILF category.
Real life children aren't all that ugly nor misshapen.
And most loli and shots are ridiculously cartoonishly exaggerated due to people not liking realism in children.
If you look at cartoon porn and compare it to live action there are alot of things that are more perfect in cartoon than live action.
The big eyes and round head and colorful hair they do for anime characters looks awful when done live action style.
>>691185I asked them with this post
>>691176 , and they didn't answer.
They didn't really even answer my previous posts that well, but I didn't challenge them.
Also which hemisphere is this:
>>691215Like yeah I know pedophilia isn't illegal, you can intuit I meant pedophilic material, such as cp.
>>690990it's a response to the constant calls for every single one of them to be flayed alive and killed in public and sodomized with branding irons and whatnot
if you like that scribble you're going to jail forever
>>691135where is your evidence
>dismissedcuriously not huh
>>691139what are you referring to? and what is the logic you are trying to employ here? read what I wrote and try again
>>691146what do you suppose are the implications of this idea of yours?
>>691150you may as well be samefagging as has been apparent from your posting habits since you first used this namefag nom de guirre
>>691151interesting idea
>because there are far far more important things going on in the world than pixels on my computerI mean you could say that about a lot of things. cia propaganda, snuff, CSAM
>>691164you clearly do as you can't stop going on about it for years
>>691172good point
>>691205I disagree personally although I think that both adults and lolicon/shotacon in drawn erotica are depicted in a way drastically different from real life, and yes in some ways the difference between these drawn adults or children/lolicon/shotacon is different, such as there is no abuse of real children present, (nor of adults). so I think that the criminal and abusive element is not present. and the inherent antisocial nature of CSAM I think is not necessarily present for lolicon/shotacon
>>691252I was not strawmanning OP, I was mocking him and the totality of what he had posted. I think the tone is not only sarcastic and humourous but also relevant to the tone of the OP if you will read it again
and I did lay out my arguments in detail in the next post
>>691314Understandable. I think a dialectical and class conscious conversation is in order
>>691370>curiously not huhwhat?
>going on about it for yearswhat? i made this thread 4 days ago, and only replied sparingly since i already made any arguments i could care to make.
>>691395you can just back read the thread instead of making up things nobody said.
>>691395>I'M GONNA START A BLOOD CRUSADE AGAINST PEOPLE THAT LIKE DRAWINGS I THINK ARE GROSSand then these people curiously never go after irl pedos
and then nearly every time, we learn the antis were the pedos all along
isn't that strange?
>>691564yes?
>>691565do you think vladimir nabokov was a paedophile?
>>690106Ugh, this is about fictional pedophilia again?
Can you at least approach this conversation with a different angle next time, i.e. "Should Disney's Pocahontas be banned after a successful revolution in America for grossly misrepresenting real historical events and people to the point of libel, and promoting "noble savage" racism?"
>>691578no, actually. this is about people strawmanning me for asking them to provide evidence for their claims. (the screencap in op is a reply to me telling them they are retarded for saying that raping a child is the same as drawing a picture of a child being raped.) the thread is spent now, everyone is just arguing pointless semantics.
>>691580you replied to my post, you could've called me anything and i'd still know you were referring to me. besides, its not like i can't tell you have a crush on me~ <3
>>691581You replied to this
>>691564 post. You responded. You are rapeuyghur now
>>691773Yeah, perhaps u worded the moral judgement differently.
>>691780> People may retailate when you do something they dislike, so you shouldn't do it!! The antidote for this ain't giving those petite bourgeouis urges a free space, should the bolsheviks had given the white army freedom to have their autonomous zone with their beloved king, fearing a retailation?
Send in the Cheka, fill the gulags with the reaction-aries, and see how they react when they are not the ones in power
>>691796I agree, and if somehow that happens, I'd not make that situation any more awkward and just accept my fate tbh.
But those monsters would probably not be satiated by my death and, and… tie me to an advanced machine which drills most neurally sensitive areas of my feet over again and again while also regenerating it until my death… like, ughh.. maybe we should be thankful that moralfolks are around? 🥺
>>690759>>690751it really is not. nor is it linked to zoophilia. perchance drawing animal privates in art is but definitely not buff furry men unless they also stay stuff like “i wish i had a big buff wolf boyfriend UwU”. otherwise go back to twitter or instagram
>>690524
>uses degenerate and believes in restriction of children and you are hitler but communist wallahi
>>690380>And now we are told that shielding our dear, pure proletarian souls from foreign, bourgeouis art with counter-revolutionary undertones is WRONG?!?!?i mean i guess i can understand why people think loli is bourgeois in modern times where ageism is rampant. but most of the time it boils down to “muh pedophila is evil we must censor it” which even isn’t, censorship does no good, and is just recycled queerphobia all over again instead of discussing that it CAN and WILL have ageist and misopedic undertones because most people who are into it ARE or WILL BE ageists and misopedists and not people who view kids as human beings that deserve liberation and believe that they deserve the same rights as adults too
>>690527china is a misogynistic free market nation and it’s easy to bypass porn in countries that have it banned. yeah it was probably better under mao’s regime but idk how true that is since mao is a fake communist glazed by radlib american westerners. who are otherwise also posers that didn’t forget all the puritan, liberal (under the disguise it’s “left” and progressive), brainwashing propaganda and misinformation they were given to as a kid and also never read theory before
>>690757this is true but most lolicons aren’t attracted to real kids nor are they interested in them. also most child sexual abusers aren’t attracted to drawings at all in general
>>691435that site is cringe since they keep falling for made up sexualities and genders invented by trolls on 4chan, twitter, and tumblr. and also because they included paraphiles too. might as well also include flags created by the mentally ill due to MAD pride and showing prides in their disorders in general
>>691146based
>>691151>>691205i honestly dont understand this “fear of kids” stuff. oftentimes it resort back to bigotry just like every other forms of oppression. i also think kids are beautiful, cute and funny beings, but im socially inept so i will have a hard time interacting with them or anyone else really
>>691668based
>>691606also true and based
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