/siberia/ - Off-topic

i mean the bar is low. his opposition Drake is a jewish pedophile and the last reigning king of hip hop Kanye West became a nazi retard. Basically all you have to do to win the popularity contest of mainstream hip hop is not be either of those things.

>>691109
mega garbage

>691115
you are entitled to your incorrect and unsubstantiated opinion

>>691109
kendrick is really fuckin good but unfortunately his fans give him bad rep for being such normies.
ironically enough, hating on kendrick became mainstream now and all the normies are jumping on the bandwagon

Kendrick is terrible capitalist democrat lumpen music.

>>691129 (You)
This is where the term dem.cel hazbin hotel came from btw

>>691129
I don't care but if you're into battle rap. then you'd know Drake got destroyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QiFl9Dc7D0 (again)

(previous time it happened vs Pusha T: https://soundcloud.com/pushat/the-story-of-adidon )



(but shoutout to Drake for signing a ceasefire petition and allegedly refusing to perform in Israel)

>>691106
I just find him cringe
The only reason he hated Drake was because he wanted to be seen as black,
Even if Drake is wrong for being upset for his success not being tied to the black community, despite not doing anything for them – Kendrick Lamar inviting Drake onto the stage, despite calling him a pedophile, as long as he denounced his efforts of connecting to the black community, was insane.


>>691108
That bit misses what the beef was.

>>691127
Wrong. Its Drake whose being hated on.
People sympathize with Kendrick especially since he accused Drake of being a pedophile.

>>691106
Kendrick is not over hyped nor overrated.
It's hip hop being abused as drama

>>691152
youre late by a couple months. the new trend id hating on kendrick because his fans are cringe

I don't think I ever heard a single song by this guy.

The "beef" between Kendrick Lamar and Drake was nothing more than a contrived plot in order to distract the masses from the genocide in Gaza. Both rappers are signed to labels which are under the umbrella of UMG which is owned by ultra-Zionist Lucian Grainge. Every stream from Kendrick's music is being used to fund Zionist genocide of Palestinians. But this goes far deeper and I'm entirely convinced Kendrick Lamar is being covertly funded and propped up by the CIA.

Starting in the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded intellectuals, musicians and artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw

There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason.

Now Kendrick has been receiving an unbelievable number of accolades for the past 12 years. He's won a Pulitzer Prize and upheld as the greatest cultural icon of recent history. Why? Because as American workers are starting to rise up, CIA-backed intellectuals promote rap as a way to offset any true proletarian culture from emerging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9wPxY-LUwE

This is evil.

>>691132
The Alchemist is a Zionist.

>>691193
You must not being American. Everywhere I was just trying to eat my meal and then I had to hear the most popular song in America over the speakers: "Drake is a pedophile, Drake is a pedophile." Never before has there been a top 40 song with the word pedophile. It is discomforting to have to listen to listen to songs about pedophiles while you are just trying to eat your meal.

>>691326
Like Kendrick, I'm just trying to eat my lunch dude, I don't want to think about about Drake fucking children.

I'm sorry this weird pedophile rapper thing has me so confused why I can't just enjoy my life without becoming aware of this.

Did Kendrick even stop Drake from fucking children? Is Drake in prison yet? Surely this is the result of such a spectacular hit song about how "Drake fucks children?"

>>691127
I really dont care about the behaviour of fans or the Lamar vs Drake feud
I am speaking about the music, the voice etc
Kendrick's songs are just HOT GARBAGE

>>691326
'meet the grahams' is super cringe as well
It starts with "dear adonis im sorry this man is your father"
Adonis (drake's son) is like 7 years old dude
It's so fucking weird to use that kid's name in a track dissing drake for being a pedo (allegedly)
and dont even get me started on this 'drake aint really back, he not one of us' garbage

nope

>>691323
trvke
a rapper will have 20 minutes of "yeah my big dick fucks your big ass bitch, dem bitches this dem bitches that"
10 minutes of "I got so much money im making the dollar bills rain"
10 minutes of "I put a bullet in the uygha's head cuz he looked at me a way I didn't like"
but 3 seconds of "our people were bound in chains / the cops still brutalising our young uyghas in the hoods" and the pseudo-intellectual liberal arts college student will go "SEE? Rap is progressive and revolutionary music! Rappers are the vanguard!"
Rappers promote reactionary lumpen garbage in the great majority.
>inb4 Bambu
that's one guy and he's barely known

>>691350
why sage? This is very fitting for /siberia/
Why do you folks get all pissy when your lumpen-gods are criticised?

>>691132
drake is a friend of *didd*lers and therefore bourgeois. at the same time, props where props are due
>>691141
>The only reason he hated Drake was because he wanted to be seen as black
uh no are you retarded? did you just pick some arbitrary opinion to post here? do you even listen to hiphop? he hates drake because in his words drake started shit, and then was going after his family dragging them publically. so kenny points out the hypocrisy of drake in this regard and how he treats his family. and the fact he is a rich pedophile

>Even if Drake is wrong for being upset for his success not being tied to the black community, despite not doing anything for them – Kendrick Lamar inviting Drake onto the stage, despite calling him a pedophile, as long as he denounced his efforts of connecting to the black community, was insane
wdym?

and how would that be cringe? I do agree if you mean that he should have taken the accusations he made more seriously and treated him as an infamous pedophile and persona non grata, basically

>>691323
OK adorno
he said some cringe bourgeois demokkkrat supporting things and support for religious redemption narratives in some of his work (good kid mad city) but has said more class conscious (or progressive in this regard) things than many or most of his popular contemporaries imo. does that make him not controlled opposition or whatever? idk. but he has made recently a lot of bangers about a prominent hiphop industry diddler and definite industry plant guy (drake), and given voice to people's anger over police brutality, racism, impoverishment and cycles of poverty and neglect. and I think he does so without being that egotistical, greedy, consumerist, pro-capitalist, or promoting of intra-class violence and antisocial behaviour. so it seems strange to single him out as cringe or something, but perhaps you are correct in this regard and he is the most agreeable of the controlled opposition or something.
However I make two challenges for you:

1.post a rapper who expresses solid class conscious and possibly revolutionary ideology and social/political understanding

2.post a rapper, especially an active one, of such quality that has amassed a large fanbase at this time


also marx abandoned the concept of the lumpenproletariat as basically a heated gamer moment and it never had the definition of "the criminal underclass" (nor black people for that matter as some bourgeois retards use it)

Spoilers for the album "to pimp a butterfly", honestly one of the greatest albums of all time not the least of which for the ingenuity of the denouement here:

P.S. here is Kendrick interviewing tupac (member of the young communists of baltimore btw) from the grave and touch on some revolutionary questions like kendrick asking tupac what he means when tupac says that the poor are going to eat the rich

>>691352
>>691354
you dont hide it very well, chuddy

>>691356
>1.post a rapper who expresses solid class conscious and possibly revolutionary ideology and social/political understanding
>2.post a rapper, especially an active one, of such quality that has amassed a large fanbase at this time
kendrick is nothing like that

>>691358
read what I wrote and watch the video I embeded. also send me your coordinates so I can beat you until you no longer have ignorant incorrect opinions or forever stfu

>>691356
>marx abandoned the concept of the lumpenproletariat
Marx never abandoned shit
he just knew better than to waste time on the scum of humanity

>>691323
Not everything is about Gaza bro.

>>691359
I read what you wrote and it is garbage.
Kendrick has nothing revolutionary about him and that is fine. Musicians do not HAVE to be revolutionary. It's just that his music and voice sucks ass.

>>691362
answer the questions I posed then

1.name a revolutionary musician
2.name a musician that sounds good and has a nice voice
*bonus round*
name a musician who is both

secret level: give in to your suicidal ideation

this is the last (you) you will be recieving from me until you have completed these tasks and proven your point

>>691360
he literally did, look up "on further consideration objectively the only class distinctions that exist are between the proletariat and the finance and industrial bourgeoisie"

>>691363
are you retarded or what?
I literally just commented: "Kendrick has nothing revolutionary about him and that is fine. Musicians do not HAVE to be revolutionary."

Revolutionary musicians do not really exist. They can be fellow travellers/sympathisers of communists. They may admire and incorporate revolutionary messages in their work, but the musician themself IS NOT revolutionary.
>name a musician that sounds good and has a nice voice
lmao there are too many dude, but one thing is for sure Kendrick's shitty ouin-ouin voice aint up there. Kendrick's voice is his weakest point by far (not like his other sides are that strong either).
But if you really want good voices sounding good: Marvin Gaye, Alicia Keys, Tracy Chapman, Chester Bennington, Mark Knopfler, Adele, Johannes Kerkorel, Rahet Fateh Ali Khan, Bertrand Cantat, Barbara, Jacques Brel, Dalida, the list can go on forever lol
There are better voices than Kendrick's lame ass vocal chords in every town and village in this world.
If you want specifically RAPPERS with better voices, then Kanye, JayZ, Eminem, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Mobb Deep ALL have much, muuuuch better voices than Kendrick Psyop Lamar.
drakes voice is garbage too btw

>>691364
learn how to read, imbecile
Marx always held the bourgeois-proletarian class struggle as the defining feature of capitalism.
But that did not mean other classes did not exist, and other minor contradictions due to the and between the other classes do not arise

im listening to PIMP A BUTTERFLY right now and god it's such tryhard victimhood garbage
Kendrick is derange

>>691361
what a concise way to admit that you are a lumpen-zionist

>691366
>Revolutionary musicians do not really exist. They can be fellow travellers/sympathisers of communists. They may admire and incorporate revolutionary messages in their work, but the musician themself IS NOT revolutionary

read my initial questions which I had been more careful to choose before your terse reply:

1.post a rapper who expresses solid class conscious and possibly revolutionary ideology and social/political understanding

2.post a rapper, especially an active one, of such quality that has amassed a large fanbase at this time

I mean I would agree that music itself cannot foment revolution or advance the revolution without involvement of the revolutionary class or something. that would be like pvre idealism

>But if you really want good voices sounding good: Marvin Gaye, Alicia Keys, Tracy Chapman, Chester Bennington, Mark Knopfler, Adele, Johannes Kerkorel, Rahet Fateh Ali Khan, Bertrand Cantat, Barbara, Jacques Brel, Dalida

>adele
>barbara streisand

are you joking?

>tracy chapman
>marvin gaye
these I like

>Kanye, JayZ, Eminem, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Mobb Deep ALL have much, muuuuch better voices than Kendrick Psyop Lamar

I disagree and also think this is a stupid opinion to have
dr dre sounds shitty, monotonous, disinterested to me, yes he has a deeper voice. also he is literally a bourgeois record label owner fwiw. ice cube similar deal but better rythm imo. kanye has if anything a kind of a potentially obnoxious whiney or nasally voice, which I think is good for his music and I enjoy it, but not sure why you would pick him or any of these to contrast with kendrick lamar

like is your issue that he has a relatively high pitched voice or the cadence and stylization he uses in some of his songs?

>>691374
>Barbara Streisand
Where did I write Streisand you moron?
Barbara is just Barbara. Not Streisand.
You just do not know most of these voices so you want to act like a snob. They all shit on your boy Kendrick.

>like is your issue that he has a relatively high pitched voice or the cadence and stylization he uses in some of his songs?
both, his ouin-ouin wailing is insufferable

>691367
no this writing of his was in response to his earlier writing about "the lumpenproletariat" I can't remember what specific work of his which is why I am giving you this homework, but the concept of a lumpenproletariat imu was basically a throwaway term he made venting about his frustrations about the failures of the proletariat in france when they looted shops after an uprising or whatever

alternativelt why would we need such a term anyways? there is no distinction in terms of relations to the mode of production here. not even in the nature of class interests varying in some sense than the relation to ownership of capital might suggest, such as with the term "labour aristocracy". what does it mean? proletarians who lack class consciousness and the potential to develop it? what a heterogenous, vague, and potentially misinformed definition to use no?

i think musicphiles are worse than cinephiles. holy shit stop sniffing your own farts none of you are smart

>691375
replied to my *bait. jkunless* assumption with no further comment
>both, his ouin-ouin wailing is insufferable
I think that is your opinion but seems like a bizarre one to have to me. and I mean where are you getting this from? his most popular songs you heard on the radio? section 80? good kid mad city? I don't think that to pimp a butterfly, damn, the yellow album, or mr morales fit this description as much as one could say for his earlier music (which I also disagree with). I think his voice has gotten overall deeper and slower as he has gotten older too

but riddle me this, is kanye west or eminem not like that? I'm not as familiar with his stuff (which I do also like) but cmon, slim shady? bound 2?

here is another non-whiney kendrick song

>>691374
>1.post a rapper who expresses solid class conscious and possibly revolutionary ideology and social/political understanding

lumpen hooligans are incapable of this. so I do not understand why you are expecting these things from a fucking rapper lol

and this. riddle me this, how is this more whiney than icecube?

bonus kendrick beatdown and prototype meet the grahams. literally set to "the people united will never be divided", communist song

>>691387
Because ice cube uses lower tempos to sound heavier. Kendrick uses higher tempos and has higher voice so he automatically sounds like whiny bitch

>691391
have you considered that that is retarded and you are stupid and autistically fixated and probably have no muscle tone. nor comfort in your own masculinity which might help prevent you from developing this disdain?

>>691392
I benched 405 in hs and kendrick sounds like either whiny bitch drill rapper or whiny bitch mumble rapper depending on track. Ive listened to humble 10000x against my will. when people played kendrick in the weight room they were always the scrawniest bitch boys

>>691394
They played kendrick and the weekend on loop every day. Kendrick is for bitches

>691394
>I benched 405
proofs or no
>in hs
lol

also how bout full body strength if we are going off evidenceless claims? can you do a chinup?

>kendrick sounds like either whiny bitch drill rapper or whiny bitch mumble rapper depending on track
who cares?
>Ive listened to humble 10000x against my will
unlike kanye or icecube or some shit? that never gets old? are you aware that this is an opinion of yours not an objective truth?

>691396
the weeknd has some good tracks too. like the first 3 mixtapes and wonderland are pretty fucking good and dare I say pretty creative. imo

Lemme get this straight, rapper A has beef with rapper B and the best roasts they come up with are:
>ur mixed race n pedophile
<no ur pedophile and gay

Incredible how rap was killed in the 90s

>>691398
look there's good and then there's not good
and kendrick's not good

>>691404
Did you even listen to the fucking songs?

I swear y'all are just typing whatever you want

>>691404
Lemme get this straight, there's anime that are hits and the best writing they come up with are:
>he gets transferred to another world
<he's more powerful than anyone and he gets a harem

Incredible how anime was killed in the early 2010s

>>691408
it is all the same personality disorder manchild trying to get his daily supply of negative attention with hysterical flaming

>>691404
>>691409
both trvkes

>>691408
dayum they paid their respective writing staff to come up with 187372 different ways to call each others pedophile keeek

Kendrick is the Obama of Rap

The reason why Kendrick Lamar resonates so much with white liberals and twitch streamers is because it expresses their idealist class consciousness, as opposed to the working class consciousness which is practical and materialist:
Drill rapper from Atlanta: "let's get this money"
Kendrick Lamar: "let's protest"

>>691323
I thought that pic was the actual thumbnail of a Caleb Maupin video.

>>691408
confidently spouting bullshit about a subject they have no knowledge about and refuse to learn more is the leftypol way

>>691328
Drake isnt a pedophile. All he did was flirt with a teen girl fan. Bad thing, I know, but he ain't a kiddy diddler.

People need to be concise about the definition of pedophilia as fucking toddlers.

Also, Kendrick was found out to be an abusive husband.

>>691404
Rap music is stuck in 1993.
Ever since Ruthless Records and Death Row Records hit the scene, rap was never the same.

Irony is, the OG generation of rappers were squares.
Most of them didn't grow up in gangs and they all had their dad's in their lives.
They didn't even use guns.

They paid racketeering money to local gang leaders whenever they toured in certain towns

>>691409
Tbh anime got killed with the excessive shonen battle scenes where war scenes are dragged out with flashbacks and whatnot.

>>691644
Both sentiments are not class conscious.
And protesting was a thing in "authentic" rap music.

>>691704
the obsession to have the MC be the reincarnation of a god who is destined to save the world is what killed anime

also, lolis

>>691703
>Most of them didn't grow up in gangs and they all had their dad's in their lives.
They didn't even use guns.
based based and based

>>691745
the very first erotic anime home release was loli, you fake ass normie

>>691749
That only backs up their point. You're not the dumbest poster here, but posting with a name sure makes it feel like you are.