/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>691255
>music
torrent
>images
duckduckgo lets you hide AI results now
>vid
don't use recommendations, use the search bar and subscribe to browser bookmark high quality channels
>articles and blog posts
why consume those

The internet just feels senile now.

>>691282
>duckduckgo for images
Sorry but duckduckgo image results are DOGSHIT compared to google's, and not because of the presence of aislop.

>>691255
For the music I recommend you listening to online radios, for example the lainchan's one, they sometimes stream good music and you just look for more music of that artist.

And yeah, as >>691282 don't use recommends, you shouldn't use youtube anyways, I only use the search function (through a proxy) like once every 3-5 days now.

>>691290
I'm pretty sure ddg just uses bing's image search.

>>691290
>you shouldn't use youtube anyways
There's a few high quality channels who do long form vids who I will keep checking out but checking recommends is past. Can't use search either because it's all recent uploads = 90% slop.
>>691282
>Torrent
For checking out music I'm using bandcamp almost exclusively now.
>why consume those
Maybe I'm an oldfag, but I like reading blog. There's a few substacks which I check out regularly. But outside of those it's fucking grim nowadays.

>>691307
You can subscribe to youtube channels through RSS btw, since you no longer check recommends or use the search function you don't need to load their cancerous soydev website.

The whole nicher side of the Internet is just a millennial retirement home at this point.

>>691308
Good point. I don't watch Tiktok either, and heavily dislike other short-form platforms. Also hate discord.
Other than here, visiting blogs/wikipedia/ycombinator I have no reason anymore to interact with the rest of the web.
>>691309
I don't see how it can survive like this. If no human is visiting these platforms, no one is clicking on or watching ads beside bots, and hosting costs keep increasing, especially as the rate of slop being uploaded keeps increases, they're gonna die eventually.
Google has allowed their own search engine to be destroyed, and now they're destroying it further with AI answers which means there is little reason to visit linked pages, other than that they're often irrelevant.

Apparently their latest idea is to have everyone wear "wearables" in order to gather fresh data now the web is being ruined. But I don't see how this is going to work. A few thousand people with bodycams (because that's what they are) aren't going to compete in volume with 30+ years of internet history made by billions of people.

At this rate I'll be surprised if Youtube still exists in 10 years.

>>691462
>>691309
>>691255
All of this bellyaching is how your parents felt about TV in the 1980s/90s.
And they feel like the Internet ruined everything and now you're agreeing with them because your zeitgeist is now dead and gone for a newer one, just like all the other times.

>>691466
nah man. enshittification is a very real thing.

>>691307
>For checking out music I'm using bandcamp almost exclusively now.
I know RYM is cringe but I find it way more fruitful for finding new good music than just randomly clicking through any streaming services. Ignore the top charts, look up your favorite lesser-known albums and browse through lists and forum threads featuring them, check out the collections of users who have rated them highly, etc. Even the custom charts can be good because the more niche you get with your filters the more you exclude the hivemind that only listens to Radiohead and Kendrick. It's surprisingly good for films too.

>>691466
youre one retarded uygha

>>691466
People want good interesting art and it's extremely hard to find it when people can flood any platform with a thousand functionally identical AI pieces a second. Your post reads like it was written by someone who's never felt anything in their life.

>>691467
Again, that is what your mom and dad said in the 1990s and 2000s about music and TV.

You're now burned out from trying to seek novelty on a generational cultural amenity.

If degradation is real, it's only because nobody thinks its never themselves and it's what came after was wrong.

>>691471
>People want good interesting art and it's extremely hard to find it when people can flood any platform with a thousand functionally identical AI pieces a second.


And we had that with Photoshop edits. Or random mashup videos.

> Your post reads like it was written by someone who's never felt anything in their life.

Your post reads like someone whose never paid attention to any basic history and is now only beginning to realize that time is not static.

>>691470
I guess it's hard when you realize that the world really doesn't hold on to anyone permanently.

>>691474
i mean its hard for some people. i saw this incel guy recently i used to work with 5 years ago. he was still talking about sjws and gamesgate as if he'd never moved on from 2015.

>>691474
>its inevitable so dont say anything about it
ok keep enjoying slop ig

>>691476
Late Millennials/early Gen Z have now left quarter life and jumped into midlife crisis mode.

I remember 2015-17.
People were complaining about how pop culture went to shit around 2007-12.

The older millennials all said pop culture died in 2002-07.
The mid-millennials all said 2007-13.
Late millennials say 2015 - 20.

>>691478
Isn't that what you've been doing since birth?
Also youre the one complaining on here.
If it's that bad you can just live off of a laptop with a decent hard ride to store all your downloaded media.

That's what I've been doing.

>>691485
>four lines to just say "no u"
:thumbsup:

>>691476
The world is stuck in 2015.
Donald Trump is the zeitgeist leader

>>691473
>And we had that with Photoshop edits. Or random mashup videos.
No, we really didn't, especially in music. If you made a Spotify station five years ago for all but a few easily reproducible genres, you were guaranteed to get real music that, regardless of its quality, was not carelessly mass-produced at the push of a button. Even for the cheapest, dullest, dumbest and least thoughtful human-made music, there was a simple overhead to production that made it impossible to upload in a quantity that matched what is currently done with AI. There is simply nothing to substantiate your statement that the flood of AI today is numerically comparable to the effect of "Photoshop edits".
>Your post reads like someone whose never paid attention to any basic history and is now only beginning to realize that time is not static.
You're so devoid of anything else to say on the subject that you don't realize that your facile relativism of "erm people complained about things in the past!" is a non-sequitur. Nothing you have said so far is an answer to why people should just sit down and be happy that they are increasingly unable to find satisfying, interesting art.

enjoy my uygga

>>691502
And again, I heard arguments like you're before with previous media phenomenon.

>No, we really didn't, especially in music. If you made a Spotify station five years ago for all but a few easily reproducible genres, you were guaranteed to get real music that, regardless of its quality, was not carelessly mass-produced at the push of a button

😂
I remember DJs complaining about DAWs ruining EDM back in the 2010s.
Or "SoundCloud" rappers back in 2016.

"They don't make them like they used to" was the mantra in 2010

People were dunking in Lil Wayne when he first came out.

AI music isn't instant nor magic
It requires adept skill to make something with AI.
It's not all "automatic" push of a button.

Your whining about good art being hard to find is a facike statement.

>>691282
>images
<duckduckgo lets you hide AI results now
So they have AI slop determining what is AI slop. Open your eyes brother.

>>691506
It's like saying we had AI to determine porn results

>>691504
and turns out they were right?
>"SoundCloud" rappers back in 2016
well Soundcloud rappers did turn out to be shit
>People were dunking in Lil Wayne when he first came out.
uhh yeah, lil Wayne IS crap
>Your whining about good art being hard to find is a facike statement.
nah he's right
societal degradation
cultural rot
capitalist society is well into its cringe, talentless phase

>>691466
>>691472
I don't think you're getting what I'm at. The issue is not the content itself being shit, it's that it's causing actual human users to abandon platforms, and costs to rise faster than ad revenue.
That's why they recently stated they're going to start cracking down on "repetitive" content. It's the same shit with pinterest and other platforms. And it's not working. Because it can be generated faster than (human) moderators can sift through all the garbage. Same goes for bots pretending to be humans interacting with ads.

Television is still curated. Even the worst reality television is Citizen Kane compared to the garbage being pushed online nowadays.
Google/Alphabet is not going to survive if their revenue drops to the level of legacy (broadcast) media. Same goes for Facebook and the others.

>>691511
>Television is still curated. Even the worst reality television is Citizen Kane compared to the garbage being pushed online nowadays

>I don't think you're getting what I'm at. The issue is not the content itself being shit, it's that it's causing actual human users to abandon platforms, and costs to rise faster than ad revenue.

These two statements are somewhat contradictory

>>691502
>"erm people complained about things in the past!" is a non-sequitur
So much this! Imagine going "erm the goose is not cooked, it wasn't when it was cooking 20 minutes ago". I used to think newgene had a point under all of the vibe analysis and repetitiveness, but he is quickly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.

>>691504
waiting for you to prove any of these claims

>>691508
It is but nobody is complaining.

>>691517
I use three different adblocks but I still get ads.

>>691519
counterintuitively using more adblock results in less effective filtering

>>691525
Could be true but this thread is not about ads or even AI but things being slop.

>>691526
yeah, just pointing out 30% of op's grievances is solveable with an adblock, slop is still pervasive but you could remove a massive chunk of it from being shoved down your throat

>>691513
The issue here is it's becoming impossible to find anything worthwhile. You go to pinterest and you get a bunch of hallucinatory AI images. I try look for music of a particular genre on youtube, and my results are full of irrelevant shorts or three hour generated albums with terrible audio quality. Posted by (I suspect - automated) accounts who post albums sometimes daily.
Also, while reality television is its own kind of slop, it's still consistent. It's not the same as the overly sacharine lovecraftian uncanny valley fever dream shit seen on places like TikTok.

The 'gem' to coal ratio so to speak is reaching the point where you spend more time looking for something than watching or listening to the actual content.
Compare this to say television, where even if you dislike 99% of the stuff out there, but do happen to like golf, you can switch to a known golf channel, and it won't be an endless loop of surrealist shorts generated by hallucinating gpus.
Yes, television has slop (and many will probably argue it's mostly slop), but studio and broadcaster execs have an incentive to maintain a minimal level of overall quality, to prevent viewers from abandoning their channels (and thus advertisers) entirely. And they're capable of achieving this because of how the medium operates.

Youtube submissions, Pinterest, Facebook, Spotify and Tiktok are all uncurated. There's no execs checking out what people are uploading, or ensuring the garbage does not completely drown out content which brings in human viewers.
The way TV licensing works also ensures actual viewership figures are also more reliable than views on online platforms. Which are now flooded with bots (more so than ever) pretending to be humans, so the creators of slop content can milk the ad revenue.
This is what's killing the web.

>>691532
Just stick to stuff made before 1927.

(linked wrong post)
>>691504
>"They don't make them like they used to" was the mantra in 2010
See, this isn't the issue either. Or AI or AI generated content existing in itself.
Great stuff is still being produced. But it's becoming impossible to find because feeds, search results and recommendations are now clogged with slop. Which is why I check Bandcamp now because at least when I a click on a track or album there, there's a reasonable guarantee someone at least put some effort in it.

It's also not simply an issue of people interacting with the slop. Because it's being artificially boosted by bots. So even if no one interacts with it, it's still going to appear even if you're not looking for it.

>>691530
Already doing this too. The only antidote I see at this point is creators making an effort to link other authors. Because autoplay lists, feeds and recommends are unusable at this point.

>>691532
First, you people whine about the Internet being over over moderated now you complain about it being unmoderated?

>>691532
>Yes, television has slop (and many will probably argue it's mostly slop), but studio and broadcaster execs have an incentive to maintain a minimal level of overall quality, to prevent viewers from abandoning their channels (and thus advertisers) entirely. And they're capable of achieving this because of how the medium operates.


And yet, people like you complain about atV being dumbed down by moderation.

>The issue here is it's becoming impossible to find anything worthwhile. You go to pinterest and you get a bunch of hallucinatory AI images.

I remember before AI we would have Photoshopped images of stuff. Or the same stock photos.


>I try look for music of a particular genre on youtube, and my results are full of irrelevant shorts or three hour generated albums with terrible audio quality. Posted by (I suspect - automated) accounts who post albums sometimes daily.

Those are the "topic" accounts or some spambots.
I recall those before AI as well.

>Also, while reality television is its own kind of slop, it's still consistent. It's not the same as the overly sacharine lovecraftian uncanny valley fever dream shit seen on places like TikTok.

>Overly saccharine

Wtf does that mean and how is reality television "consistent"? If you mean as in the impression then yea, people complained about reality television being all the same

walls of text and reddit spacing
what a cancer ass thread

>>691624
>cancerous
As opposed to what? Another blatant thinly veiled sex thread?
>>691589
>And yet, people like you complain about atV being dumbed down by moderation.
I'm not one of those people. I'm in favor of curation and moderation. Including here.
>Those are the "topic" accounts or some spambots.
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to automated accounts posting generated playlists. Not existing tracks.
>Wtf does that mean and how is reality television "consistent"?
I'm referring to temporal consistency. The thing AI video generation lacks which results in fever dream stuff like morphing objects, 'actors' and scenery. Reality television is slop, but a shot can at least last for longer than 8 seconds without people's faces melting and limbs disappearing.

What's happening with music however is what bothers me the most. Not simply platforms being destroyed (does play a big part) but the inability to find and look up (and up to) obscure artists. There was a lot of slop out there, but also gems, but now it's like being stuck at Point Nemo.
Growing up, finding certain artists helped me cope with everything going on in my life, and there was also the element of mystique and awe. I worry kids nowadays won't experience any of that if all they're fed and experience is a 24/7 tailored synthetic algorithmic slop feed.
Maybe I'm just a snob like Adorno, but I do believe in "true" art's ability to connect people, including with the subjectivity of the artist. You don't have that with the product of 10 word prompt.