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Artists Against Generative AI is one of the most autistic Facebook groups out there. These retards can't understand for their lives why normies prefer playing with AI to their shitty MS Paint furry "art". It's "artists" like these that are actually killing art. Most of them can't even do analog art with a pencil or brush. At least with AI art you can "create" something interesting.

ngl most human-made art is slop too

AI art is only killing the low tiers really.
AI makes sure you can have slop that blows the bottom 70% percent of artists out of the water but it pretty much peaks there due to its very distinctive AI-slop look and visual tropes.

The top tiers that are highly skilled or have highly unique and tasteful artstyles are not only very much safe but have kind of become more valuable.

The problem with AI is that it lacks a soul. It’s literally just an algorithm.

>>692784
>it lacks a soul
Unlike….?

>>692784
>ancom
>talking about "souls"
ofc

Why are you showcasing this example specifically? That's decent for their skill bracket.
>facebook
Get off facebook
>normies
Get off reddit
>prefer to play with AI
Well adjusted people aren't part of cults and don't need a robot to be their father figure
>MS Paint
Those are Krita brushes
>"Art"
Watch a Patricia Taxxon video and again, get off reddit.
>Can't even do analog art
Using tools and paper is called "traditional" and is generally seen as easier than digital, only drawback being equipment costs and filing.
>At least with AI art you can "create" something interesting.
You can wrangle it in the direction what you're interested in making, but once you have an idea that requires a precise set of details and negative space elsewhere you'll find even an untrained hand will still be easier to work with than begging an AI for it.

You just have low self-esteem and are projecting it on people on Mark Zuckerberg's walled garden community. Move to fedi and read Max Stirner, stop hating yourself and stop seeing what your hate about yourself in others.

>>692787
>using a tool automatically makes you part of "a cult"
Take your meds fagotron.

>>692788
The AI boom was two years ago, it twitched a little bit with deepseek but it's generally over. You'll need to find another ideal to hold above and against yourself.

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Art has been mostly slop even before recent AI, and as much as this shittening sucks it doesn't have anything to do with communism either.

>>692791
The vast majority of communication is slop and art is merely a form of communication. Artists that get good at it simply figured out a set of ideas that people are interested in, usually including themselves.

>>692795
>>692791
This

>>692784
AI is not just algorithm though. Unless you wanna say the same about manually made digital art which is just "algorithm"

>>692782
>>692783
Exactly. Most of the anti-AI sentiment is coming from artists who don't make any money are are averse to any real labor.

>>692797
Cope, when I said the vast majority of communication is slop, that's only because the vast majority of communication is made in circumstances designed to artificially incentivize slop communication; algorithmic social media incentivizing certain kinds of conversation determined to increase engagement, office small talk making the illusion of purpose to an office that doesn't need to exist, morality, etc…

AI only replaced the users of centalized social media, being convincingly "sentient" enough that ivermectinated bourgoises are willing to buy AI generated user data and buy ads for AI to "watch." That AI debating with other AI is more profitable engagement than pesky humans that can bring in external information and use up bandwidth.

As people move away from centalized social media the slop communication will come to a halt. Some of that non-slop communication may not be profound, but it will move forward as exploration, utility, pleasure, etc…
Art is a type of communication, and it's not always profound either, but there's a difference between maundane and slop.

>>692812
Ok fair point.
I agree with the last sentence especially.
But the problem is, people are too focused on symbolism while ignoring sociophysical reality.

i think everyone can agree to kill the consumers right

>>692781
Art died a few decades ago when french philosophers killed them.

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>>692783
This. Basically hit me up when AI can paint something like this with no issues.

>>692837
Was Duchamp a philosopher?

>>692858
Kinda yeah. Doesn’t need to be a book to be a philosophical proposition.

>>692781
The "AI revolution" is just a monument to arrogant techbro billionaires who were given far too much freedom and allowed to grow monstrously rich thanks to neoliberal economics and the erosion of anti-trust law, and now they literally rule the world and have become so rich and powerful and insane that they actually claim to have not only decoded the human mind and figured out how to replicate its functionality, but that they also have the means to create some kind of "superior intelligence" AKA God, all of this accomplished with Markov chains and a giant pile of stolen web content. This is what happens when you leave technology entirely in the hands of the private sector.

There’s a lot of talk a bit about AI induced “phychosis” and cult-like groups forming online around LLMs, and I think this is not only definitely happening but ground zero for this is Silicon Valley. Anthropic is clearly a cult, OpenAI is a cult. It also believe this is very, very obvious to the point that it’s undeniable.

We are seeing a rare historical moment where a millenarian cult becomes extremely influential and powerful in society and politics. SV AI labs have already completed the process of totally dehumanizing themselves (seeing a human as simply an inferior “image” of AI, understanding all aspects of human experience and being completely in terms of AI, e.g. memory is RAG, knowledge are weights, simply put “you are a next word predictor”) and believe that the end of the world is imminent within a few years.

Besides AI is becoming unprofitable and is nothing but a bubble that's going to pop. Read this link here: https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-haters-gui/

My boyfriend is a professional artist who doesn't like AI. This is in fact a common sentiment among artists of many different skill levels and profitability levels, and is more ideological than coincidental. More broadly, people who spend all day creating are offended at the idea that they are nothing but an inferior, yet more precise generative AI

>another thread about ai
idgaf

>>692869
>professional artist
boo hoo get proletarianized

Explain to me what's the logic of being against copyright, supporting piracy but at the same time hating AI

>>692882
i dont trust anyone whose criticism of ai isnt just "its slop". anything else is just pseudery

>>692784
I dreaded generative music until I realized most music out there is already formulaic, relies on software like FL Studio, sample and loop libraries, ghost written lyrics, etc.
Drawn furry porn likewise was always slop the way most landscape painting was in the 19th century (and mostly died out with the advent of photography): It was something created to pay the bills. There's nothing existential, political or autobiographical about it.

>AI is runing art

Please read the following
https://web.mit.edu/allanmc/www/benjamin.pdf
>>692858
People are basically doing what Duchamp did and uploading urinals to various platforms. In previous eras human curators would have stepped in by now, but that would mean these billion dollar companies actually having to spend some of their income on ensuring people don't flood the web with manufactured slop.
This entire "problem" was solved literally over one hundred years ago.
>>692869
As someone who is also an artist, I like to frame it differently: All of this boils down to same issue 19th century painters and early 20th century architects faced. In a world where everything can be made and (mechanically) replicated cheaply (on an assembly line, or through an algorithm) what the fuck does it mean anymore to be an "artist"?

Consider for example Versailles: When it was build, not only was there nothing like it in all of Europe or France, but the craftsmanship and expense involved in its construction inspired awe particular to the era in which it was build. Glass was expensive and difficult to manufacture. The Hall of Mirrors was spectacular because there was nothing like it, and importantly, could not be replicated by anyone except perhaps the wealthiest royal houses of Europe. Foremost of which was House Bourbon.

Imagine if someone were to build a copy of Versailles today: People would find it tacky and a waste of public funds. We have the means to replicate it much more cheaply, and that's why it isn't. You cannot replicate the "aura" of Versailles by building it in the modern era. You wouldn't be able to replicate it even if Versailles had never existed.
And so when it became possible to build anything, no matter how tacky. With mass produced concrete, glass, paint and architectural elements mechanically replicated on assembly lines, this provoked a crisis within architecture. Ornament had become meaningless because it was now possible to cheaply tack it onto a building like selecting from a fast food menu or picking items from a shelf at a cheap retail store.
For example, a lot of people still lament the demolition of Penn station in NYC. But it was basically architectural slop. (Fake tacky columns which weren't even structural elements, etc.)
There was a whole reaction against formalism in the second half of the 20th century, leading to "postmodern" architecture, but people hate that shit about as much and perhaps even more so than they do brutalism.

Basically where I'm gong with this is that the "mystique" previously inherent to art (be it architecture, painting including portraiture, sculpture, and now finally music and furry porn) in its inability to be mechanically replicated (which Walker Benjamin also heavily ties into the 'aura' and cult value of pre-modern art) is gone now.
You're never going to be able to impress people with artisanship alone the way it was possible to do so in previous eras. Unless you perform it right in front of them. E.g. playing a sick guitar solo or making a photorealistic painting by hand in front of an audience is still impressive. A track uploaded to Spotify or an image reposted in itself on Xitter, isn't.
Most simply won't give a fuck anymore as to whether you placed every single pixel by hand over the course of weeks. They won't be able to tell the difference, just like most people can't tell the difference between a Corinthian column build by ancient greek craftsmen, and a modern replica on the facade of a strip mall made out of cast concrete or foam.

>>692781
$30 for commissioned porn isn't that bad, even if it's this kind of MS paint style.

I mean, you could get much more detailed (if wonky here and there) porn from an AI, but I've found that lots of AI "artists" don't even like the more realistic and detailed models and just try to emulate the cartoony style anyway. And, presumably, you can get exactly what you want from an artist commission without the risk of the program turning one of the hands into an eldritch abomination.

>>692919
insufferably middle class post

I don't think you're worth a reasoned argument, so I'm just going to kill you.

>>692866
back to sharty with you, bitchtits

>>692893
>playing a sick guitar solo or making a photorealistic painting by hand in front of an audience is still impressive
This, I think artists and musicians drank the liberal coolaid too much and it's a big part of why they're depressed. They bought into the lie of producing "original" slop. Look the average internet "creative's" disdain for orchestral musicians or design careers. Soundcloud producer's can eat shit, if you're not performing live your work has no value to me.

>>692869
>inferior yet more precise
AI cultists really are on suicide watch right now if this is how hard they’re kneeling.

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i find it hypocritical that the anti ai crowd is claiming to be against ai art but then add a bunch of aesthetics and filters on their drawings or web pages to make it harder for people to read or look at, for screen readers to pick up, or to even make someone end up in the hospital if it’s too bright and or flashy.

something i realized about these people is that they typically usually end up being mini hitlers and moralfags too (despite claiming to be otherwise such as claiming to be progressive for example) over darker themes being portrayed in art, shit like baby furs (which are literally just cubs wearing diapers), or end up being closeted pedos or zoos as well. the furry fandom is a good example as an ex furry myself.

these people typically range from having 500-5k follows and then up to 50k as well and don’t get called out for their problematic hiterlite or predatory behavior behavior as well. their services is also extremely predatory too, and their commissions, and adopts typically costs lots of money despite already having a stable income.

all of this is just virtue signaling and petite bourgeois nonsense to me. even art is considered “slop” since most artists just do it because they have a huge following and can make bank off of it. not because they actually have a hobby around it anymore. even if they do they’re just exploiting their hobby. nobody wants to be an artist anymore it’s sad. and they only do it for the aesthetic and money too from what i’ve observed. not because they’re interested in it as a hobby too anymore

https://youtube.com/shorts/wNBOFVLJW8o?si=LL-93D2tBz6iPvqO

>>692781
>using editing software to create an artwork
<using ALGORITHMIC editing software to create an artwork

>>692965
Petite-bourgiouse just means "Person or thing I don't like" at this point on leftypol. If anything these artists are more like artisans than petite-bourgeois.

>>692975
>more like artisans than petite-bourgeois


you realize artisans were the OG petit-bourgeos you retarded piece of shit LMFAO

>>692975
You can't say the term is not used right when you don't even know artisans and other craftsmen were one of the first examples of the petite-bourgeois when capitalism was just starting.

>egoism flag

Of fucking course.

>>692965
>using muted palletes is le bad
that 4th pic doesn't have good contrast though, I think that's a strawpage specific issue though because I see strawpage pages do that no background thing a lot.

Also yes leftist circles in general–artists being no exception–have a hyperscrutiny issue, which creates power dynamics, which creates inevitable abuse of said power dynamics.
The problem as centralized social media, which is why the only places you see this happen on fedi are on instances much bigger than a federated social platform would make sense to be, effectively becoming centralized as it isolates itself from the rest of fedi; both on purpose through defederation and by getting spam issues that cause other instances to limit or defederate from them.
Remove algorithmic incentives and people turn normal.
>"as an ex furry myself"
Read Max Stirner and stop wearing identities as hats
>>692966
>Tool that does a specific and fully comprehendable thing to a selected region
<"Tool" that does a non-specific thing that'll have you needing to check over every pixel and somehow bloat the filesize worse than if you put a noise filter on it.
People don't like tools that increase hassle and wrangling.

>>692988
>[class 1] and [subset of class 1] were the first examples of [class 2]
>I'm too illiterate for theory but everyone that didn't take away my specific vibes based interpretarion of the memes surrounding it is le heckin retarderino

>>692993
>artisans are a class of their own separate from the petite-bourgeois
Are you pretending to be a massive retard right now or what?

< Hard won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

so tired of leftoids trying to pseudointellectualize their hatred of ai by bringing communism into it. just say its slop (i agree!) and move on

>>692995
Read Engels instead of learning through debates and memes.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
I will not paste the whole thing here, you will click ze link.

>>692989

>Read Max Stirner and stop wearing identities as hats

being a furry is a hobby not an identity. i originally joined for fun. are people online echo chambers that stupid nowadays 😭

are people in online echo chambers*

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Another painfully American thread where we pretend communism is some emergency kit we must bring out to remedy whatever societal ill that happens under capitalism and affects multiple classes (though in this case it's mostly skilled self-taught/professionals, lmao).

>>693015

most leftist spaces in america and some parts of the west don’t know how communism works anymore or never read theory before it’s crazy

>>692940
>Original slop
Good point. And I'm convinced "novelty chasing" is itself a byproduct of living in an age of mechanical (re)production.
You have all these artists trying to capture the 'aura' of works in previous eras without understanding why this is no longer possible. Not that it seems like "novelty" was a big thing anyway until relatively recently.
Seems the concern was more with either realism, impressing others, or the extend to which an artist was able to capture (religious) mysticism.

Music continued to be especially mystified in itself because unlike film, it's not clear (except to trained musicians, composers) how it's made by simply listening to it. It's a very opaque medium as far as the process behind it goes.
Literature on the other hand lost the mystique associated with the medium ages ago: E.g. illustrated manuscripts were expensive, produced by elite scribes and scholars, in age where even if people were capable of reading it was rare to find anyone involved in writing. Nowadays anyone can write words and post or print them. There's nothing "special" about a book anymore outside the meaning of the words in it. (Excepting 'sentimental' heirlooms)

I was reading up about porcelain production in Tang and Song era China recently and it's fascinating to see them running into the same issues a thousand years ago. At some point it became feasible to mass produce porcelain, including garish colorations and elaborate patterns, and this led to a proto-modernist neo-confucianist movement against it in favor of simplicity, modesty, etc.
Same happened in writing when people realized you could vomit a thesaurus all over the paper and have it published. It got old quick.

I dunno how many people here remember, but something similar also happened with "epic" orchestral scores and CGI in the mid 2000s/early 2010s. Compare say the Star Wars prequels or "2012" to the latest Dune films. CGI is much more in the background now. Like in Dune Part 2 there's a scene where (spoiler alert) They use nukes to clear an area, allowing the sandworms and Fremen to overwhelm the Emperor's troops and the entire shot only lasts a few seconds or so. With the (spoiler) epic battle the entire film was building up to only lasting about a minute or two.
Same with music. There was a craze around "epic" music, and then it became overused and tacky.
It's not like actually listening to Wagner being performed live by real musicians led by an actual human conductor. It's simply nowhere near as impressive when it's an MP3 or music stream playing through your earbuds.

This is now happening to digital art generally, and music too. Anyone can now tack on as many effects as they want. It was already "easy" to do so, but now it's as close to zero effort as feasible. Photorealism in gaming isn't going to impress people the way it did 10 years ago either. Crysis was impressive at the time. As was GTA 5. But everyone doing it isn't.

>>692869
That sentiment is kinda arrogant in a way.
People still request manually made drawings.
And AI isn't really efficient enough to make drawings on the fly the exact way people want them.
In fact, I bet most good looking AI-generated artwork was edited afterwards

>>693546
This. All this moral obsession about "decay of the arts" is just pretentious snobs who don't really care about art at all but only the novelty effect.

I notice that alot of these people whom blame the current generation for said decay are often obsessed with cliche trends of the previous era.
Theyre not well read enough on the past to begin with.

>>692781
> At least with AI art you can "create" something interesting.
like what

>Another thread of liberal brainrot

art isnt dying; its already dead
aestheticised commodities will not save you

>>693675
Aibros be like: CP
LoL

AI simps are always STEMfag programmers or too lazy to try to be real artists all pretending the accomplishments of someone else are their own. No you didnt program that image generator, no you didnt make that image.

>>694087
>too lazy to try to be real artists
say youre petit bourgeois without saying youre petit bourgeois

>>694090
You don't know what that is do you? Do you want art to be dead under any kind of socialism?

>>694093
for starters communism isnt concerned with things like art and culture in general

if youre asking for my personal opinion, i dont, but if your best critique of ai is "people be lazy" then it shows how much of an insufferable middle classer you are

>>694094
That was a critique of not the generative machine learning but the mindset of the people who glorify it. Sure let's just rewrite history and pretend art never exists in socialist / communist countries and movements. The entire point of communism is bettering people's lives and for society to become more social instead of more antisocial that capitalism encourages. Keep in mind antisocial does not mean asocial as people often confuse it, but rather harmful acts.

>>694093
1) Lazy people won't exist under socialism because material cinditions
2) Communist AI will be hornier and bare no technical resemblance with the shit people are calling AI these days, being written manually in rust.
3) The people using AI weren't going to make art anyway, they simply have a gaudier tool to be annoying with which will further divide the web into "reactionary techbroslop traps" (centralized platforms, search engines, etc…) and "the rest of the internet" (federations and forums, indexes, etc…) and that's a good thing.


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