incest is generally considered to be taboo, but i've never come across a convincing argument against it.
the main two arguments i've seen were:
1. conflating incest with inbreeding
this position can be summarized as: "incest is bad because reproduction between biological relatives will cause congenital defects." this presupposes that any incest will necessarily cause inbreeding, which conveniently ignores the existence of contraceptives, abortion, gay sex, or just plain infertility. this is practically an argument for eugenics. i would be curious if the one making this argument would apply it to other non-incest examples of reproduction likely causing congenital abnormality, like do they think people with downs syndrome having sex is immoral because they might make a baby with downs syndrome?
2. "power dynamics"
this argument usually presupposes the existence of some sort of super structural hierarchy of biological relatives that preclude enthusiastic consent, therefore making any and all sex between them necessarily coercive. take two same age biological twins who are enthusiastic about wanting to fuck each other, there is supposedly some "power dynamic" between them that makes this rape, how? and who is raping who? i don't know, and i don't care to know, all this argument has succeeded in is stating that there exists a hypothetical context in which rape is equally enjoyable and desired by all parties present, whilst still being rape somehow. in the context of a white supremacist state how could a black person possibly consent to sex with a white person? the "power dynamics" present obviously make this coercive and therefore rape, all interracial sex is immoral, and also the patriarchy, how could a woman, with all the power the patriarchy has over them, possibly consent to sex with a man? its ridiculous. clearly all sex is immoral because its actually rape even if they think they consent. lol.
if you are opposed to incest please make a better argument in this thread, in the meantime, i will be fucking my biological relatives raw just to spite you.
>>692948xitter/sharty
>>692949it seems reductive because incestoids would just claim that they'd use a condom or get an abortion. it all just falls in a forbidden fruit category imo
>>692942i would have assumed that the societal taboo results from incests hyper-association with inbreeding, which although not as big as a problem as moralfags on the internet make it out to be, actually
does have proven negative side affects, unlike incest without inbreeding. what does this have to do with moral relativism??
>you could relieve any social pressures by fucking your mom everydaythat sounds fucking awesome.
>>692943>if you allow incest all negative scenarios that make it problematic (inbreeding, power dynamics, grooming, rape) are more likely to occur but is there any definitive evidence of this? people can die from overdosing on drugs but making them illegal hasn't made it any less likely to happen, often it has the inverse effect.
>I had sex with my elder sister when we were kids.damn, i am totally jealous.
>>692953I don't think that you can take away inbreeding from incest, if you allow one then the other would invariably occur among some sets just out of convenience. Also it's relativistic becus i said so.
>>692956I agree to some extent. I think we should let the norms continue because why not? It's not like families are going to go out and protest for their right to pork eachother… right?
>>692954files definitely gonna be deleted
>>692957>I don't think that you can take away inbreeding from incesti can and i will
i dont think it is worth the time, effort, and resources to prevent biological relatives from reproducing, not only is it a scenarios so far and few in between, but the only argument against it is:
>nooo, you cant have the baby it might be retarded :,,((like damn,, i kinda dont give a shit. just inject the tard with some crispr chromosome deleting thing or what ever,, not my problem.
>>692959you're capable of setting up and maintaining a division that constantly checks up on and enforces that incestuous families aren't able to inbreed? If you genuinely think that takes less time and effort than just maintaining a cultural taboo against incest then sure lol. also CRISPR and genetical engineering is still in it's infancy, I also yearn for a10 aryan babes being shat out from an incubation machine but it's too early.
>>692960not on my device per se but stored in several folders on cloud storage accounts
>>692960>>692961>>692962>>692981>>692994go back
>>692964thats not what i said, i don't want to waste
any effort trying to stop inbreeding in any way, because it simply happens to little for it to be worth bothering with. my original point was that there is no argument against incest
in spite of this taboo against it, not that we should
get rid of the taboo, i have no idea how you would do such a thing anyways. (also i don't see sufficient evidence that if the taboo simply disappeared, people would start breeding their family like rabbits.)
>>693001>it simply happens to little for it to be worth bothering with. my original point was that there is no argument against incest in spite of this taboo against itBrochacho, if incest was legalized and normalized there WILL be a significant portion of imbreeding, as it would be stupid to believe that lifetime incestuous relationships would result in the couples dying old without producing any children
>hey sis i want to spend the rest of my life pounding your beef flaps but i would NEVER EVER EVER EVER have children with you at some point i pinkie promiseIf you mean the specific act of incest within a vacuum, like one time, i guess you'd be right? Its like a balkan child taking a tiny swig of his father's alcohol while nobody's looking, it doesn't really do anything even while it's profoundly reprehensible but if you're that adamant with it then ok lol. I guess the reason why I used the "le hekkin moral relativism" argument is that it is relativistic in the sense that if something perceived to be bad only due to socio-cultural or moral norms your logic being that its ok under purely sterile and rational settings, opening the gates to various other taboos.
>>693019it also just feels more of a smug reminder about the impermanence of concepts we find disgusting more than anything, its not really mindbreaking theory that incest is wrong because we said so.
What we really need to take away from all of this is that this is the type of philosophy that only the French were capable of creating after decades of education and millions of dollars into uni funding. This shows that the French urgently need to be cleansed and germanized so we can move onto higher, more integral, and more profound philosophical insights than this.
Because really, this is just low. This is the type of social deconstruction I'd be thinking about in detention as a reason to rationalize the fact that I didn't *REALLY* do anything wrong.
>>692942>imagine how stunted you would be if you could relieve any social pressures by fucking your mom everydayI mean you could apply this logic to masturbation and casual sex man
R u gonna say that casual sex stunts ppl because now dudes dont have to do complicated mating rituals to get pussy
>>69292499% of the time actually existing incest is a grown ass adult raping their younger relatives, usually children which I hope I don't have to explain why that is a bad thing.
>But what if the incest is between two consenting adults of around the same age with no power imbalance present like for example a couple of siblings or cousins?Personally I find that to still be icky but whatever, not the worst thing in the world. Good luck trying to convince the rest of society though.
>>693104>99% of the time actually existing incest is a grown ass adult raping their younger relativesgenuinely curious if you have a source to add to this, i've also seen people online state without evidence that the most common actually existing incest is between younger siblings doing sexual exploration. anyways it is not incest that is the problem with child rape, because if you remove incest from the equation it is still equally as bad, if you remove the child rape from the equation you have a fundamentally different hypothetical
>convince the rest of society though.luckily, i do not have too.
>>693213beta: pedo
alpha: nonce
>>693186>if you remove the child rape from the equation you have a fundamentally different hypotheticalAll romantic or sexual relations between adult and children is rape
<Hurr what if the child consents tho?????????Fuck off bro.
>>693375Rapefiend is just saying that they're talking about consensual incest between adult.
What you're doing is the same thing as a rightoid calling homosexual relationships pedophilic because the existence of pederasty.
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