/siberia/ - Off-topic

Unlike the average person I've actually autistically wasted a lot, a lot, of time watching movies from the past century and the blockbusters of today are definitely almost all slop. There was a lot of slop back then too, but you kind of have to go out of your way to find the good stuff that gets made today.

idk i think social media morons are performatively nostalgic as they ransack every little thing from the past in a way to seem novel and unlike the others and get those much desired views, likes and follows before moving on to the next "in" thing

>>694749
All culture is garbage before the culture of drug use, which is timeless and will always exist in glory so long as humanity does in its flesh

Because things just keep getting worse.

i agree, OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!??!!???!?!?!?!?!?!?
i have a very similar mindset. I think we'd get along together, you sound like a chill person

>>694798
if you ignore the increasing presence of AI slop, art in general has never been so alive. My only worry is that generative AI bros win the culture war, and people start enjoying AI art unironically, which I think would make for a terrible artistic landscape.

Wrong OP. In fact, when you show kids today Mario Kart on the Super Nintendo, they all agree that's the best Mario Kart and they go ask their parents to get them a Super Nintendo for their birthday.

Yes all generations share the same material conditions just with different coats of paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pa6SGYWADU
Remember the 20's? The 20's were so much better. Everything was better in the 20's. Here is the 20's. If you don't remember, you did not have a childhood. You were not a child. You retroactively did not exist. Remember Bluey? It was a good show! You're too young to remember. It was a good show! We had tiktok. You don't! Things were better then. Now all is lost, including hope, which is dead. We had:
Deltarune
Escape rooms
Uber eats
Mr. Beast
The Amazing Digital Circus
Ice cream
Disney plus
Youtube shorts
Elmer's glue
Safety scissors
Takis
Dubai chocolate
Swimming pools
Donald Trump
2hollis

We had 2hollis. What do kids these days have? Nothing. The 20's are over. All that's left is despair. The day the 20's died, all joy died. This generation. They don't know. They don't know. Kids these days. Kids these days. This generation. They don't know. They missed out.

Me omw to get the travis scott labubu matcha tea dubai chocolate combo meal crossover

>I made a precommitment not to listen to the instinct when I grew up.
cucked by your own petard
>Mass culture…20 years ago too
The changing capitalist modes of production cause seismic shifts in our consciousness. That's like saying "There's no difference between Pangea and the new continents on earth, dialectics is fake, nothing ever changes"
>mustaches
facial hair is historically a sign of mass revolutionary sentiment against the bourgeois dictatorship, literally Marx's beard

I dont believe this thoughbeit

>>694749
So do you like Skibidi toilet

In a time of economic stagnation it's not surprising for mainstream art to get worse, lol. If you're going to pull the "erm this is all subjective", then no shit, you aren't really saying people don't know.

< People’s expectations for games are rock bottom. “Hype” for a game now usually boils down to “I hope this doesn’t get delayed again/cancelled” and “hope it’s not completely broken and unfinished at launch” because video games have absolutely got worse

>>695104
>In a time of economic stagnation it's not surprising for mainstream art to get worse
So according to you, the dark ages of American mass culture were:
The early 1930's, during the great depression
The 1970's, during the great stagflation
The late 2000's to early 2010's, during and after the great recession, when insufficient stimulus meant the US had a sluggish recovery
The covid lockdowns, which saw a recession followed by transitory inflation

I'm not sure I agree with this assessment. I think the 70's, which were a period of economic stagnation, had more interesting mass culture than the 80's, when the economy had recovered. I think the early 2010's had better mass culture than the late 2010's, even though they were still reeling from austerity and mass unemployment. I even think that mass culture during lockdown, when American unemployment was the highest in history, was better than our current era, although obviously a lot of things haven't changed in that short amount of time.

>>695124
dont compare mainstream art to shit you see on your twitter feed

>>694749

Try having this hunch at age seven.
You know what's funny though?
There has been a plateau in cultural graphics since the mid-late 1980s.

>>694822
That's because Super Nintendo is relatively retro to them
It's like us 1990s/2000s kids having those arcade game mini console controllers.

>>695127
>plateau in cultural graphics since the mid-late 1980s
Quantity is not quality.

>>694751
You sure?

>>694819
This.
Remember back when we had Photoshop?
People were accusing Photoshop of ruining art.
People thought that digital art was soulless.

They thought that only physically drawn media was good.

The same way people were complaining about synthesizers ruining music.

Also, AI art isn't automated.
It requires specific coding/editing to get a good picture.

I bet that a lot of our exquisite AI generated art was post-edited.
Because most AI art fresh out of generator is kinda slopped.

>>695128
Then the pop cultural graphics hasn't changed much then in terms of quality.

>>695126
Mainstream has become more relative now.
Social media platform activities are part of the mainstream but they don't define it directly

I disagree OP. There has been a measurable loss in talent over the past years in all fields. Art itself is subject to enshittification, and you can use the quality of technology as a barometer for the quality of art as well. There's a heavy correlation between quality of technology and quality of art.

I am not some nostalgia-obsessed boomer. I'm only 32 and I cannot deny that old stuff was just better made. Movies, even 'the bad ones', had more emotional depth to their characters and plots. Books used more complex language and went into deeper concepts. Art had deeper themes and was less of a blatant money laundering scam. Games were simply put, better programmed and had more mechanical depth, and expected more intellectual labor from the players. Old music wasn't as loud and had far more experimental and creative melodies.

This is partially because capitalism didn't have as strong of a stranglehold over civilization back then, but it is also because of the rapidly decreasing education levels in the west.

It's only going to RAPIDLY get worse as social media continues to fry people's brains to a crisp and AI slop starts to drown everything else in an ocean of algorithmic mediocrity.

Try digging up old conversations from USENET or old forums/IRCs in the 90s/early 2000s. Compare it to how people talk today. Nothing will blackpill you harder. Yeah, you can find stupid shit back then too, but you had smart people sharing their ideas a lot more frequently too. Nowadays? A well thought out post is so frighteningly rare.

>>695138
>artists were more educated because they were wealthier
>the internet was better because it was all university students
lol

so basically proletarianization of the petit bourgeois? awesome, i hope art dies even faster now

>>695140
Proles used the internet back then, I'm not sure what you're even talking about here.

>>694749
I know what you're getting at, but I'm still a slave to aging. I'd like to believe you actually DO enjoy new shit, but I know you don't. Just looking at it like the bar has been lowered, yes, but future shit is going to make current shit seem nice by comparison does not make current shit nice now.
I was raised by true boomers. I'm gen X. I've watched things get shittier in every way and I've watched great leaps in technology and modern convenience. We're all partial to OUR world when we came of age. You're no different. Try and not hate everything, that's great. But you'll never truly embrace it as these new generations do.

I think it's funny how culture critique decades ago was like hey the culture industry puts out dreck to stupefy the masses, and now culture critique is that was the golden age actually and we must retvrn.

TL;DR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENI12U14KY