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>>696063yeah hitler left stalin on read sure but lets not kid ourselves by pretending socdems didnt let or even help fascists kill communists lmao
>>696276>only fascism is le badlol imperial japan wasnt fascist retard
>>696063What a surprise that a liberal supports nuking civillians for the crime of being victims of a fascist dictatorship. Bet you're in favor of the unlimited arab toddler massacre too. Least sociopathic liberal.
>>696284>>696172>>696276>>696281Nuking civilians is unacceptable, regardless of whether their government is a fascist dictatorship or not.
>>696350>unconditional glazersYou guys are still dealing with stalinist fossils on this very website.
Also this very "random" communist state is USSR and the "random" party is France communist party.
Every time the soviet-nazi corporation is brought up you guys start talking about how other imperialist and capitalist states corporated with nazis too, but this only shows how stupid and whataboutist you are. If your favorite communist state is no different than the so called bad bad imperialist states then what's the difference?
>inb4 not my favorite communist state. I'm an anarkist kiddy/some other flavor of marxismcope. USSR and Stalin were, are and will be forever in your hearts.
>>696172If Japan wasn't fascist, that would make it even more acceptable to nuke their civilians. Israel not being fascist means that, despite anti-war politicians being vocal and independent trade unions being widespread, the population as a whole doesn't lift a finger simply because they love the war. And that they love the war not because of some airtight propaganda and pressure, but because they fully understand the reality of the war and still love it.
By the way that doesn't characterize Japan pre-1945, even though the population was generally tolerant or even supportive of the government.
>>696372I say this because fascism is a political movement that seeks to abolish bourgeois democracy in favor of the rule of a clique of financial capitalists due to bourgeois democracy being perceived as unable to secure itself in a time of crisis. The bourgeoisie usually prefers a democratic structure for themselves, where they can bicker about how one industry needs more regulations, another needs less subsidizing, and yet another needs more tariffs, etc. Just as the bourgeoisie competes in the economic sphere, so too they like to compete in the political sphere.
However, in times of urgency, this system can be seen as promoting too much political inexpediency. The bourgeoisie will decide that, even though they cannot unite on any permanent basis due to the nature of their class, that they must at least superficially unite to most effectively wage class/imperialist war. Thus they make illegal even bourgeois opposition to the state, and might even enforce rule by a single party or individual to keep unity as strict as possible. By the National Mobilization Law, Japan had no tolerance of public bourgeois dissent, and by the Taisei Yokusankai's establishment, all of the parties dissolved themselves to unite into one party which served all of the financial capitalists. Previously, the bourgeois parties were free to compete and split, but not since 1938.
>>696369You're not talking with the voices in your head, you're talking with me, schizo. I'm not an unconditional USSR glazer, and I'm confident that most posters here aren't either.
And it's very convenient how you ignored my main point. If these instances of "communist states" possibly collaborating with fascists are an indictment on communism, then it must also be the case that virtually all western liberal democracies supporting the fascist state of Israel is an indictment on liberalism. Do you recognize this fatal flaw in your argument?
>>696369collaborating with germany was necessary, you expected them to just invade, all on their own, before they were ready, while westoids were surrendering without even putting up a fight in france?
the soviets even attempted to cooperate with the west earlier to block german expansion, but they refused and handed austria and czechoslovakia to hitler free of charge
>>696397I never said that. You are a retard.
I am specifically talking about FASCISM, which is a movement of FINANCE CAPITALISTS. In Germany they were called the Friends of the Economy, in Japan they were called the Zaibatsu, etc etc. Not all of the bourgeoisie are going to be able to take part in the behind-the-scenes debate, only the leading finance capitalists do.
>>696369>Every time the soviet-nazi corporation is brought up you guys start talking about how other imperialist and capitalist states corporated with nazis too, but this only shows how stupid and whataboutist you are"whataboutist" Go back to /r/Destiny, IMF fanboy
>no different than the so called bad bad imperialist statesSmug logical fallacy neoliberal immediately shows how childish and lacking in critical thinking they are lol. Deeply unserious!
>>696444>Do you recognize this fatal flaw in your argument?These Contrapoints libs are NPCs who believe that liberalism is simply normal and part of nature and not a political choice, but somehow anyone being critical of capitalism who makes a single error is an aberration that is "on the wrong side of history". The argument that liberalism is human nature is ironic coming from these gormless worms who are clearly domesticated zoo animals
https://timezeropod.substack.com/p/05-the-lab-part-02>If you’re reading this on the day it’s being released, August 06, 2025, it is the 80th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, the first time that a nuclear weapon was used in warfare. This Saturday, August 9, marks the 80th anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki, the last time that a nuclear weapon was used in warfare.>Both of these actions were atrocities. Neither was defensible, no matter what the World War II fetishists, the military-industrial fascists, the op-eds freaks, or the broader commentariat will try to spin this week about the necessity of preemptive civilian mass murder to “save lives.”>Let us remember the hundreds of thousands of souls eradicated by these two weapons. And let us condemn, without qualification, not just the decision to use such weapons, but their very existence. >>696589>This is an unfalsifiable statement, you can't possibly know thatBut I can.
>no nukes>millions of deaths caused by wars between superpowers and minor nations>with nukes>no wars between superpowers, just regional conflicts Also, conventional bombing caused a ton of damage even compared to the earlier versions of the nuke, i doesn't really matter if it is a thounsands of bombs or just one.
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