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Engles his only good contribution was that he gave money to Marx, he shows that while capitalists can be class traitors they are ultimately incapable of revolutionary thought.

He was not a class traitor, he financed Marx as controlled opposition to actual revolutionaries like Blanqui and Bakunin.

>>700997
Don't forget Lassalle

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bad and obvious bait

>>700999
Siberia is the place where bait merges with truth

>>700997
🤯

>>700996
Your mother’s only good contribution was giving oral sex to your father to ensure that less of your family’s genes could spread

>>701039
I'm sorry I'm not born a factory owner

>>700997
Leftism would be worse off without Marx's economic contribution other than vague anti- authoritarianism and utopianism, where Marx and Engels fucked up was with statism and dialectics and generally having a poor understanding of Anarchism

>>701063
we would be stuck with a level of analysis like peasant revolts where they misguidedly thought that the king was on their side and would save them and it was all just the bad advisors fault.
or the peking rebellion where the guy thought that he was jesus' brother.
In fact you still see this today with people who think Trump is a good guy but he's just been hoodwinked by neocons

if at least 1% of leftists read engels the world would be a lot better off

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“16 August 1867 2 a.m.

“Dear Fred,

“Have just finished correcting the last sheet (49th) of the book. … So, this volume is finished. I owe it to you alone that it was possible! Without your self-sacrifice for me I could not possibly have managed the immense labour demanded by the 3 volumes. I embrace you, full of thanks! …

“Salut, my dear, valued friend.

“K. Marx.”

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/letter.htm

>>701107
sounds gay

Redpill #1:
There is no break between Marx and Engels
Redpill #2:
There is no break between Lenin and Stalin
ULTIMATE REDPILL:
There is no break between Mao and Deng

>>701122
treating close friendship as implicitly homosexual displays immaturity

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>>700996
Engels actually has a ton of banger passages that get slept on. Also, unlike Marx he actually picked up a gun in 1848 and fought with August Willich

>>701063
Marx hypnotized the proletariat into believing it was necessary to follow the "necessary historical conditions" of capitalist development while also revealing to capitalists the flaws of the system which allowed them to adapt. Per Marx's own logic, the internal contradictions of the system would have led the proletariat to revolt irrespective of the ideological conditions and prevalent economic theories. The only people in a position to benefit from those are the bourgeoisie who wielded that knowledge against the proletariat. Well intentioned though he was, Marx was the ultimate traitor in that he gave the game away to our enemies.

>>701156
engels also writes in anti-duhring that slavery is justified by historical necessity

>>701161
Yeah Stalin said the same thing in a 1938 work. Historically necessary doesn't mean morally good.

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>>701156
Hudson noticed the same thing and kept writing anyway lol

>>701163
slavery is not historically necessary though; in fact, slavery stagnates society

>>701148
It's especially bad in the west.
Alot of adults especially religious ones, think that you g men having close platonic relations with each other means they're homosexual.

They think boys being mean and abusive to each other is healthy heterosexual malehood.

>>701170
at the same time its quite common for some good 'ol boys to go and fool around in the locker room after a ball game, or go camping and give your bro a beej.

>>701171
It's ironic that platonic homoerotic activity is more common in conservative areas than in liberal areas

Middle Eastern men probably have more intimate physical contact with each other than western men.

>>701177
most arabs are gay though, so a bad example

>>701161
>>701163
"Historical necessity" fundamentally can't justify anything. It's a statement of ontology (cause and effect) not morals or ethics. Slavery is historically necessary in the sense that the way things are today depends on the history that shaped it. In other words, had slavery never happened, the present would have been conditioned by different history and therefore be different. Marx's main insight was that history has no telos, just cause and effect. He tried to uncover the "laws" that govern historical developments so that we can predict the trajectory of things.

He understood that trajectory to be like that of a bullet, influenced by turbulence and wind on its arc but more or less heading in a particular direction. What differentiates him from others was that he did not paint a target wherever the bullet happened to land and then declare that this particular spot attracted the bullet to it, predestining the trajectory, which is how much historiography was (and still is) done.

>>700996
I find Engels a clearer writer than Marx.

>>701063
Without Marx and Engels, the left might have taken up Joseph Dietzgen, who came up with similar ieas independently. He even has a giant beard like them. He was also the guy who coined the term dialectical materialism.

>>701177
Some would say it's not ironic at all. The West recognizes homosexuality, so men since Freud have been on guard against all such accusations and have to perform a stereotyped straightness. This wasn't true before, when men slept in the same bed, and took goofy photographs with each other. In Arab countries, of course men aren't gay in public, so they can hold hands and so on. At least, that's one argument.

>>701161
Was Engels wrong? It is funny how he accepted the Greek defense of slavery: that it's necessary to create a surplus which allows a class of philosophers with leisure time who can advance science, math, art, etc.

Did any society do that without slavery?

>>701102
Yeah Becker they'd know he was a hack

>>701194
everyone knows slavery existed and still exists, but it is a contingency (dependency), not a necessity of social development, les one views things through a vulgar lense of incrimental progress (for example, is capitalism *actually* progressive, or is this just a cope?)
>>701195
so who will be the new slaves to faciltate high culture?

>>701194
Newsflash ultra, communism is about making normative claims
Fuck hume

>>701206
Slavery became outmoded with more efficient agriculture techniques and especially mechanization. If I remember right one of the Greek philosophers wrote that if tools were autonomous then slavery would be pointless.

Did ancient China have widespread slavery? I don't know much about that period except they had some impressive canal projects.

>>701206
How could capitalism not be progressive, if progressive means increased control over nature, increased economic intercourse, advancement in science, math, etc.?

>>701230
are these advancements necessitated upon the enslavement of the working class?
>>701225
yet the greeks also noted that slave labour was unskilled labour, so ultimately wasteful. the egyptian pyramids were built by skilled managers and wage workers for example, rather than slaves.

>>701161
no he doesnt you dishonest prick

clearly you just dont understand basic marxism and blame it on engels instead of the fact that you need to do more reading.

>>700998
the jewish nigger, how could i forget.

>>701063
>Marx's economic contribution
Marx's contribution: devising a retarded utopian system that failed every single time it was implemented.

>>701367
Alright then bitchtits, what's YOUR idea?

>>701391
SuccDem/DemSucc, reliable and proven systems that, while flawed, actually work to some extent in improving lives and don't pile up gorillions of corpses before swinging back to oligarchic capitalism in the process.

>>701350
>no he doesnt you dishonest prick
lets read:
>Without slavery, no Greek state, no Greek art and science, without slavery, no Roman Empire. But without the basis laid by Hellenism and the Roman Empire, also no modern Europe. We should never forget that our whole economic, political and intellectual development presupposes a state of things in which slavery was as necessary as it was universally recognised. In this sense we are entitled to say: Without the slavery of antiquity no modern socialism.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch16.htm
by the way, you are consistently one of the worst posters on this site; even for the standards of a flaggot.


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