>I swear bro, we just need a few more years of state capitalism
> you just need to work like a slave in the uranium mines for one more decade, I swear bro then you'll own the means of production, trust me bro
>>702520>>702438>>702416>>702526This.
All the complaints against MLs for wanting productivity is just lazy ass liberals who think leftism is giving out consolation prizes for life's biggest losers.
These are the same people who talk about state mandated girlfriends.
Yet they have a problem with a state mandated work schedule
>>702537You are incapable of envisioning a better world, solidarity for you is not a possible trait of humanity thus it must be forced upon everyone. You are anti-social.
Doing communal work is great, working (even intense and long hours) is actually rewarding of it's own and you are unable to imagine that, I pity you
Everyone ITT is stupid except for me.
My problem with all hitherto existing MLism is that, in terms of actual material existence, rather than abstract ideology, they're indistinguishable from the various forms of capitalism. The Soviet Union functioned like monopoly capitalism, China functions like Keynesianism, etc.
I'm of the opinion that an actual DotP, one that maintains its goals of workers rule and the eventual achievement of full communism (a classless, stateless society) cannot be achieved with anything but some form of direct democracy. Unless the workers are managing themselves in a very literal sense, you're going to see the same social relationships as capitalism emerge, where two distinct segments of society with distinct material interests emerge; those that control and manage the means of production, and those that participate in it.
>>702560I did not say identical, I said indistinguishable. Definitions are for chumps, but I do pick my words deliberately.
China and the especially the Soviet Union are definitely different from the US and the UK, particularly in terms of how they treated the rest of the world, but the baseline social relation of employee and employer, the thing that defines capitalism as a system, was preserved in both. You can say I'm being reductionist, I say you're getting caught up on implementation details.
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