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yes i have dabbled in the occult and yes, magic is real.
i would suggest you simply experiment to see what works for you.

Spent a decade as an armchair occultist, unfortunately no, it is in fact all bullshit. That doesn't mean that a lot of people, including many fancy lads of the ruling class who have power over your life, don't seriously believe in it, though.

>>704467
>Spent a decade as an armchair occultist, There's your problem lol.

>>704464
this

>>704454
I dabbled in chaos magick because fuck y'all bitches I make my own magick
I can dig up old PDFs if anyone wants

how do you do this and be a materialist at the same time? i mean chinese people in rural areas worship Mao as a god all the time but i cant see them adopting a strictly materialist scientific marxist outlook

>>704473
What do you mean by materialist? Knowing about science backed Marx's work exploring inner workings of capitalism has nothing to do with everything else in my life

>>704464
Which part exactly is real? Is there any proof?

>>704540
By "proof" anon is going to respond with some vague bullshit about how magick is actually just psychology so anything that makes you think differently is proof of magick.

>>704543
Psychic powers and shit are real and I don't just mean psychology. You can effect people and sense things even when you're not directly interacting with the 5 senses.

There's a lot of proof out there, a lot of people have these kind of experiences a handful of times maybe in their lifetime. Skeptics are never actually interested in investigating it, they're always looking just to deboonk it. I remember reading of some study a few years ago where they just got 100 random college kids and asked them to predict what the next card would be or some stupid shit like that.

The USSR and the US didn't dump billions into this stuff for no reason.
https://espionagehistoryarchive.com/2016/01/09/the-kremlins-psychic-spies/

<RG: So the Chekists as well studied occultism here in Russia?

>BR: There’s nothing paradoxical that such a subject matter was within the security organs’ field of vision. From ancient times humanity has been interested in what the consciousness represents. The powerful of this world used various technologies for influencing the psyche.

>In the twentieth century, the magical practices of ancient shamans entered the scientific level of research, which immediately fell into the intelligence services’ field of vision. Special attention was devoted to this problem in Great Britain, Germany, and the Soviet Union. In our country, for example, practically all the people who possessed supernatural capabilities were under the control of the KGB.

>You can’t even conceive what sort of war of minds was unfolding in this field in the first half of the twentieth century. I’d hardly be exaggerating if I say that sometimes real “astral” battles were waged. And all of this was classified and camouflaged, probably no less than the nuclear project.

>>704548
its not just billions, occultism as a whole has been a pseudoscience for centuries and in all those years not a single person could produce 1 piece of evidence that wasnt anecdotal. look up french occultists from the 19th century, all they accomplished was selling snake oil to gullible idiots

>>704550
>its not just billions, occultism as a whole has been a pseudoscience for centuries and in all those years not a single person could produce 1 piece of evidence that wasnt anecdotal. look up french occultists from the 19th century, all they accomplished was selling snake oil to gullible idiots
Like I said, the Soviets and Americans documented many successful tests.

>>704551
like what?

>>704553
i dont doubt it, a lot of weird shit was being researched at the time period, but that doesnt mean anything other than that the soviets and americans were desperate to come up with a wunderwaffen

>>704556
It's such a silly way to wave it away.
>Global mass hysteria
>All these serious science and research groups working on it for decades weren't doing anything but superstition and mental illness.
Anyways. These kind of debates are so pointless. You don't want to actually learn about it, you just want to deboonk it. I certainly won't make you believe in it through an internet debate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International

>SRI International (SRI) is a nonprofit scientific research institute and organization headquartered in Menlo Park, California, United States. It was established in 1946 by trustees of Stanford University to serve as a center of innovation to support economic development in the region.

>The organization was founded as the Stanford Research Institute. SRI formally separated from Stanford University in 1970 and became known as SRI International in 1977. SRI performs client-sponsored research and development for government agencies, commercial businesses, and private foundations. It also licenses its technologies,[3] forms strategic partnerships, sells products,[4] and creates spin-off companies.[5] SRI's headquarters are located near the Stanford University campus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology_research_at_SRI
>Stanford Research Institute (now SRI International) in Menlo Park, California carried out research on various phenomena characterized by the term parapsychology from 1972 until 1991. Early studies indicating that phenomena such as remote viewing and psychokinesis could be scientifically studied were published in such mainstream journals as Proceedings of the IEEE and Nature. This attracted the sponsorship of such groups as NASA (by way of Jet Propulsion Laboratory) and The Central Intelligence Agency.

And there are still serious universities investigating this shit. And the government is probably still working on it in secret.

>>704558
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/resources/careers-in-parapsychologypsychical-research/
Careers in Parapsychology/Psychical Research

University Based Research Units

>UVA DOPS is one of a limited number of University-based research units in the world investigating similar paranormal phenomena. Some of the other research centers are: the University of Arizona Center for Consciousness Studies; the University of West Georgia; the University of Edinburgh-Koestler Parapsychology Unit; the University of Hertfordshire in England; and the Center for Research on Consciousness and Anomalous Psychology, Lund University, Sweden.

>The researchers at the University of Virginia’s Division of Perceptual Studies have a special interest in studying the evidence for survival of consciousness after death.

Psychical Research Around the World

>For more information about the psychical research being done at other research facilities throughout the world, please refer to the list of Accredited Colleges and Universities in the United States and the United Kingdom found on the Parapsychology Foundation. Another resource that may be helpful is the Parapsychological Association website.
Careers in Psychical Research

>Opportunities for making a full-time career in parapsychology are rare, since there are presently many more qualified people wishing to work in the field than there are funds for their support. Opportunities do exist, however.

>Carlos Alvarado Ph.D., one of our respected colleagues in the field, has valuable information to offer regarding careers in parapsychology.

< What is Parapsychology?
<Parapsychology as a Profession
<Getting to Work in Parapsychology
<Reflections on Being a Parapsychologist
<The Historical Perspective in Parapsychology

>Nancy Zingrone Ph.D., another of our respected research colleagues, offers important information about basic literacy in the field of parapsychology. In this article, she outlines the body of literature that serves as a solid foundation for those students and professionals who aspire to build a career in the field of parapsychology. Read: What Basic Literacy in the Field of Parapsychology Can Do For You

>The Alvarado-Zingrone Institute for Research and Education offers a wide variety of resources for those interested in studying parapsychology including classes taught by respected researchers and authors in the field. Click here for information regarding the courses they offer online.

Ok: can i or can i not learn to cast spells? Or summon shit? Or anything cool?

>>704561
The thing is all the power only comes from people. All the magic words, symbols, rituals, and all that other shit are just props. They can help you as far as they effect your own mind to enter different states. Some people talk about developing a personal system of magick.

Just do meditation/contemplation however you do it. Quiet your mind and learn to see in alternate perceptions. Once you can do that your biggest problem is you will find it may be to real for you to handle.

>>704563
>The thing is all the power only comes from people.
Or maybe I should say channeled through people, but my point is whatever power is manifested, is not through the words or objects. It's really more along the lines of:
"You will think clearer when your room is clean."

>>704563
And after that, i’ll be able to cast black orb at elon musk?

>>704565
Like mentally. He's probably already constantly getting psychically attacked, that's why he acts so schizo. Not just the drugs and autism.

>>704566
Well thats no good, whats the point of making a retard even more retarded?

>>704454
I've been in the occult for more than 10 years.

I've seen and done a lot of weird stuff.

Right now I've recruited 15-17 IRL people away from the dominant conservative religion in my area (Islam) and to my spirituality based on internet politics AKA Esoteric Anarchism.

If you want to start, first start with chaos magick then make your way to traditional schools of magic and religion and then choose your own path is the way I went about it.

There are indeed merits to it both scientifically as that other anon provided and experientially from what I've seen.

Going into the occult has cured my mental illnesses and other health issues plus gained me confidence and charisma and allowed me to perform miracles in front of people to gain me converts and more!

>>704768
Any book recommendations? And what kinda miracles? Any proof?

>>704792
I recommend Liber Anarkhos and Chronicles of Anarchy if you want to get into my personal paradigm of occultism.

As for getting started in Chaos Magick, I would recommend the Psychonauts Field Manual as well as Magick without tears, etc etc.

As for the miracles, I've healed people via internet anarchist spirits, summoned UFOs, summoned spirits, etc etc.

Since you are asking for proof….you got discord or someplace where we can chat?

>>704768
is it possible to get my boss destroyed or fired?

>>705860
Yes, recommend looking into the Hot Foot Powder and Goofer Dust curses from the Voodoo website Lucky Mojo

nick land describes the numogram in many different ways, but one of them is as the "tree of knowledge" as opposed to the qabalistic tree of life. the tree of life is the "atlantean" system of unity based in 10 variables, while the lemurian system of disharmonic multiplicity is about revoking the unity of being in place of the creative nothing of zero - of which to nick, is the principle variable which kickstarts modernity. he makes different comparisons to competing systems, such as seeing how the lemurian tetractys removes the pinnacle. this revocation of the absolute is also present in amy ireland's polemic against julius evola, "gruppo di non", where instead she posits a "revolutionary demonology" to summon a rhetorical queer love. this begets confusion, where demons are attempted to graft in the possibility of love, rather than to feed the power of evil. what is lost in amy's normalised subjevctivity is the root of tranagression, which is duly preserved in nick's case. nick says we live in the end times; amy says we live in a moment of restoration. this is amy's inverse traditionalism.

my disagreements with nick come in the form of his qabalistic methodology, where he employs "alphanumeric qabala" (AQ) rather than english ordinal (EO). an example is even his pfp on twitter, where "dark enlightenment" = 333 (AQ), YET it is 213 (EO). 213 = the number of seconds in 3 minutes and 33 seconds. his pfp is not merely "333" but is "3:33", so he is tapping into the wrong signal while i am correcting it.

an example of EO's efficacy is in this:
>Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
<rev 13:18
"the number of a man" = 156 (EO) = 291 (AQ)
"six-six-six" = 156 (EO) = 237 (AQ)
>I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
<rev 22:16
"Jesus" = 74 (EO) = 119 (AQ)
"Lucifer" = 74 (EO) = 137 (AQ)

>>705960
>>705957
The fuck are all these spooky numbers supposed to do?

>>705962
they relate to arithmetical "correspondence" either by sums or digital reduction. a term with the same value as another have the same underlying power therefore. as i show in my reference to the bible, certain powers are equated: the number of a man with 666 (what was originally the greek value for "neron kaisar", while Jesus was 888 - in hebrew gematria "neron kaisar" became 616, which is why this number sometimes pops up). Jesus relates himself to the morning star (lucifer), which is given correspondence in EO, but not in AQ, therefore EO more accurately creates correspondence between variables.

>>705962
a famous example of gematria is crowley's "93".
the reason why in liber al vel legis (1904) he writes "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. love is the law. love under will." is because "thelema" (will) and "agape" (love) both equal 93 by isopsephy (greek gematria) - so this correspondence made crowley believe in their unity;
Thelema: Θελημα = 9 + 5 + 30 + 8 + 40 + 1 = 93
Agapé: Αγαπη = 1 + 3 + 1 + 80 + 8 = 93
93 also = 33 by digital reduction of primes
31 = 11
93 = 11×3 = 33