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I'm tired of sitting around staring at the screen so I decided I wanted to learn piano and started researching it and everyone across the board essentially said self-taught piano is a meme and you need a teacher, and while I can bear the cost of a cheap weighted 88 key piano there's no way I can afford an actual teacher. What are good skills to learn in my spare time so I'm not a complete mental bot of a person?

Any kind of craft, a foreign language, cooking, chess, ping pong, skateboarding, lockpicking, hacking, electronics, magic.

>>705638
Magic? Like summoning a spirit or something?

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Learn how to draw, its easy

>>705640
I meant illusionism/performance magic but if you wanna do that it's cool too.

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You could write Grace and Alunya yuri fanfiction.

>>705636
What's the material explanation for why guitar players encourage self teaching while other instrument players might as well call you a retard if you suggest the possibility?

>>705725
There's no skill to playing the guitar.

>>705756
That bitch is crazy hard, at least to me vs . the piano, drums etc. Piano you press the keys or you don't. There isn't so much technique to pressing them like barre chords.

>>705725
Weird too because it's much easier to entrench terrible habits in guitar if you don't have a good teacher. Improper posture, hand position, pick angle, etc. can really limit your growth as a player if you're not careful and it's hard to pick up on if you're self-taught. Piano is hard but it doesn't have any dangers like that as far as I know.

>>705725
Idk but I bought a bass and I can't afford a teacher lol fuck it we ball

Language learning
Drawing
Learning guitar or bass
digital musical composition (idk maybe try utau or some shit)
Creative writing
Non-creative writing (journalling, memoirs, flash non-fiction, reviews, essays)

also reading books, watching movies and becoming a music nerd are time consuming hobbies that can make you a more interesting person

>>705759
>Piano you press the keys or you don't.
Maybe on your toy synthesizer that came with your Happy Meal but not on the real instrument lol

>>705773
I have a real piano dumbass, and the action is fundamentally different from a guitar, even if they use the same word.

The max chord size you can play on one hand is the farthest you can widen your thumb and pinky and reliably press keys to the full action of their sounding. Ok. On a guitar the thumb does nothing but provide tension to the fingers(some self-taught guitarists use the thumb to press the high string, but no traditional form teaches this). With a guitar, it's all about barring certain strings with the side of your index finger, playing some of the same strings, or higher strings with the rest of your three fingers, and the thumb only provides pressure on the back of the neck.

>>705771
I agree but if someone is itching to get off their ass and feel productive getting into art probably won't be what does it for them tbh lol

dont listen to those faggots. theyre mad

>>705643
Why hasn't anybody commented on my fucking sick oekaki? I totally aced that.

>>706275
i jerked off to it <3

>>706276
Thank you <3

>>705725
My guess is that rock's popularity made way more people want to learn guitar leading to a lot of self taught people who play it whereas most other instruments still have roots in being something only the wealthy had the time and resources to put into learning thus the "you absolutely need a teacher" mindset still persists. Though a teacher (a good one) will absolutely be better than someone teaching themselves. Especially if that person's starting from ground zero in knowledge.

>everyone across the board essentially said self-taught piano is a meme and you need a teacher
This is absolutely false. I have learned the basics of piano during COVID lockdown and I can now improvise with a keyboard during jam sessions without too many issues.

Of course my technique isn't terribly good, I'm not a "real pianist".
I will never be able to play a Liszt concerto. I will always feel insecure and self-depreciate in front of someone who formally learned to play piano with proper technique at a music school. I tend to improvise too much in the major keys of D or G because they are the ones I'm the most comfortable with. My left and right hands aren't completely independent from each other.

But it only took me a month or two to be able to play the first twelve bars of Chopin's Prelude No. 4. And more importantly, it's fun, and learning to play piano allows you to apply the basics of harmony and keyboard technique to other instruments like synthesizers, which can be very useful when making electronic music in a DAW for example.

My main problem is that I don't practice, in part because my 88-key MIDI keyboard is busted, but mostly because I'm lazy.
The first instrument I've learned is guitar 20 years ago, and I still can't play moderately complex classical pieces or any hard song by Elliott Smith/Judee Sill/John Fahey.
It's okay, I play slow, but I can still play. I made peace with this years ago. It's better to have limited technique than no technique and no knowledge at all .

There is a ton of Youtube videos on how to learn piano. We don't even have to learn how to read sheet music in order to learn songs nowadays, we are insanely lucky on that front.
I recommend this video to quickly learn how to have a better finger position, this channel is pretty cool, this girl is a rather unpretentious classical pianist.
Keep playing and don't listen to the gatekeepers.

>>706822
>This is absolutely false.
Irony is, the rest of your post confirms that it is indeed true.

>>706920
It's like saying it's useless to play a video game like Celeste because you will never be one of the top speedrunners of the game.
Or that it's useless to learn painting because you will never be as good as Van Gogh or Vermeer.
Or that it's useless to go fishing because you will never catch a fish as big as the world's record.
Or that it's useless to learn Marxist theory because you will never be the next Lenin or Adorno.
Or that it's useless to learn programming because you never be as smart as Donald Knuth.

You don't have to be the best at something to enjoy it, have fun with it, or for it to make you a more well-rounded and knowledgeable person.
Not many people can perfectly play a Liszt concerto, and the ones who can are famous precisely because they can. Do you think everyone who has a piano at their home are training everyday with a teacher since they were 2 years old? No, most of them play relatively simple pieces like Moonlight Sonata to have fun, not to showoff.

This attitude of "you will never be perfect at X therefore give up before you ever tried" is just encouraging people to live a mediocre life consisting of doomscrolling and passively consuming media.

and almost 3 decades ago if you asked an artist if you could become good by self teaching they'd say take an art class or don't waste your time now the average artist you run into is a broke mf that learned off youtube playing piano and most other instruments would probably have ended up the same way if the money investment upfront wasn't so high so most don't even bother thus those that go the traditional route dominate the space


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