Personally, I am an anti-anti-pedophile, that doesn't mean I endorse pedophilia, far from it.
But I don't think its much of a stretch to say that anti-pedophilia is easily the worst product of pedophilia.
Just read through the Wikipedia page on anti-pedophilia "activism" [
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pedophile_activism]
See what kind of people throw their weight behind such a movement, take a look at their list of "achievements."
It really does speak for itself.
>>707707I wouldn't say it's the worst product of pedophilia, since that would be child molestation, but I do agree that anti-pedophile hysteria is extremely malignant. To Catch a Predator was an incredibly negative influence on American culture.
It's no surprise that so many anti-pedophile crusaders turn out to be child molesters themselves. It's not merely a case of "she doth protest too much", but because violent and anti-social behaviors tend to correlate with each other. The kind of guy who makes suspected pedophiles drink hot sauce on camera doesn't have much setting him apart from the kind of guy who films himself molesting his son.
>>707736This is like when Republicans say, "Democrats are the true racists!", no they're just less racist than the Republicans.
>>707750Yeah definitely not the worst product.
The worst product of pedophilia is raped children.
>>707965Generally they argue for 25 since of that bogus report that the brain stops developing by then.
It's one to have age brackets – which I guess fine but what they are so vibe heavy that it makes me wonder if this is an original thought or just some regurgitation – but flat 25 is crazy.
>>708010>>708016>>708088"Pedo hunter" is like a pretty common term for it. We could call them something "anti-pedo crusaders" or "pedo-obsessives."
Calling yourself "anti-anti-pedophile" is unnecessarily confusing.
>>708508>Not sure if I'm allowed to say this here, but I'm a NOMAP who tends to lean right.haha look m8 I can't just leave that there and not say "What a surprise!"
But yes, my position (and I really shouldn't preach one before reading much about the topic, but you did ask):
>>708340This.
Provide avenues for treatment, like specialist therapy.
Destigmatize and respect those who seek treatment.
Investigate whether harmless fictitious stimuli (erotica, illustrations, generated images) are ultimately useful tools at resolving urges or harmful encouragement and normalization. Because if it works, that would be great.
>So I feel like I don't really fit in anywhere in these types of spacesThe secret is, the "left-right" spectrum is a spook. Yes, I get the point you're making and it aligns with the general values people associate with left and right, but left-right is just not a good framework to understand the world through, not to mention how confusing it gets when talking to different groups. Politics is complex, heck, it sounds like you're finding some common ground on this site despite considering yourself right-leaning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPVkpWMH9k>>708512
>Thanks for being understanding
Glad to have an actual discussion and learn something about the world.
>I've tried making a lot of good-faith posts here and I just get shut down or insulted because I'm obviously not as informed.
Yeah, it's also a topic that is easy bait, comes up a lot and leads to that flinging. A lot of communities I've been in just say "not this fucking topic again".
It's very common for people to conflate molestation with attraction because people just use the word 'pedo' for both, so there's a heap of stigma, and (if it means what I think it does) pro-contact advocates online just make most people sick of even talking about it. And the bottom line is that other groups don't want to be associated, so the identity stuff leads to a lot of pushback, like some MAP attempts to be included in the LGBTQ+ movement.
But another part of that is, I think there's extra rejection among the left because there's a lot of right-wing attempts to associate the left wing with child abuse (just listen to them talk about gays and trans around their children), just like they tried to associate the furry community with zoophilia. I see a parallel there (in fact, at a glance, I suspect the anti-zoo sentiment is bigger than the anti-cub sentiment).
>Surprisingly, therapy specifically for MAPs is incredibly hard to find.
To be honest, I'm not even surprised to hear that.
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As a side note, I notice some small parallels with the BDSM community. If you talk to their community, you quickly realize that there's a huge split between their sadists' fantasy and abuse. From what I've seen, actual abusers are strongly rejected from the community. And seeing that community safely handle what would normally be harmful fantasies makes think that there could be ways to handle other problematic fantasies without real harm. Things like adult age-play or fictitious stimuli.
>>708718samefagging
I've also noticed the same trend with gun nuts who're obsessed with home invasion and getting to legally execute someone, like that dude who just went to prison for killing ding-dong-ditchers.
>>707707Anti-anti pedophilia is the worst product of anti-pedophilia, because it proliferates pedophilia for anti-pedophilia thus continuing pedophilia.
Anti-pedophilia thrives off of pedophilia and has the incentive to promote pedophilia, the only way to end anti-pedophilia is to end pedophilia, the only way to end pedophilia is to destroy pedophiles. The only way to destroy pedophiles is to end the social order which allows pedophiles to exist.
>>709186Impulse Control Disorder is entirely separate from pedophilia, appearing among pedophiles at similar rates to non-pedophiles. Why do people who know nothing about pedophilia so confidently prescribe their "solutions" to it?
>>709196https://psychwire.com/free-resources/q-and-a/nq86y2/the-psychology-of-pedophiliaPedophiles who offend against children (there're also non-pedos who offend against children, so ignoring them), according to Seto, are either those who happen to also have some anti-social disorder, impulse control disorder, or:
>We also have multiple studies that have shown that people who endorse particular attitudes and beliefs (e.g., that children are not harmed by sexual contact with an adult) are more likely to act. Last, there are again multiple studies that show that people who emotionally identify with children or fall in love with children are more likely to act.Basically, most pedophilic offenders against children manage to convince themselves that what they are doing is mutually beneficial. This is also why studies on pedophiles in prison conclude that they have lesser intelligence.
From wikipedia:
>these studies found associations between pedophilia and lower Eye-Queue scores, poorer scores on memory tests, greater rates of non-right-handedness, greater rates of school grade failure over and above the autism score differences, being below average height, greater probability of having had childhood head injuries resulting in unconsciousness, and several differences in MRI-detected brain structures. >>707750>>707707Anti-pedophilia (as correctly defined in OP) reminds me a lot of the vegan "movement" or those vocal protestants with street signs in Burgerville.
All of it is just supercharged moralism – a symptom of a hyper individualistic society finding a refuge in (bourgeois) moral doxa: crusade against the "wicked," instead of looking for systemic causes and starting from there….
>>709564Pedophilia
isn't typified by law. Read the wikipedia page on pedophilia
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