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riddle me this weebs
if the ancient japanese samurai armor used iron from blacksmiths and animal leather from tanners..why didn't the samurai society elevate the butchers and leather workers from their burakumin "scum" caste like they did with blacksmiths?, why did they still opress them socially as outcasts and untouchables forced into squalors if they needed the leather they make?..and how did they get enough leatherwork for their armor if they didn't bother to improve the lives of the lumpenproles who produce that shit?

>>710678
Because in their belief system, butchers and tanners spiritually dirtier themselves by being constantly around death.

From a more practical, materialist angle, leather was simply a much more common resource for the Japanese than iron. Japan is very iron poor.

>>710678
Samurai became a lot less cool once you realize they were all 4'10 midgets.

>>710684
motherfuckers spend their entire pastime sword practising or sitting on their ass writing and come from a place where eating four legged meat was frown upon in buddhism, of course they won't be six feet large like mongols

Buddhism says that killing animals brings bad Karma. And being around that much blood requires purification in Shinto, which was not distinguished from Japanese Buddhism until the 1600s.

yasuke singlehandedly killed 200 whitoids

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>>710684
no way samurai jack is still the goat if he was four feet

>class warfare
>hated samurai
>hated shogun
>loved merchants
>allowed eating red meat for priests and everyone else against normie shinto-buddhist teachings
>allowed sex for everyone by everyone, both with prostitutes and taking wives as priests. against normie buddhist teaching
>burakumins and other untouchables like thiefs are actually normal people. because they do "bad things" like killing animals to survive, buddha understands doing evil things due to circumstances of their life, but doing evil things willingly is what gets you bad karma
>doing extreme Buddhist practice and rejecting materialism is the big gay, material things are more important than spiritual things actually. meditating isn't the only form of prayer to buddha, training in spears and shooting guns is too
>you only get to heaven by the will of buddha, so no matter how much zen and karma you have, it doesn't matter buddha will stop you anyway if you act arrogant or exploit the poor willingly

were they leftypol coded?

>>710875
forgot third and fourth pic for the ikko ikki

>>710678
God dam
Samurai got all that money, connections, and power and they still were built like that? Were they seriously making shit up and posturing about Mushin and marobashi the whole time?

>>710877
in their defence this looks like its taken by a camera in the 1800s, by then relative peace and overpopulation ended the samurai warlike state, i'd bet these guys never seen actual large scale melee warfare their whole lives

>>710883
Could be. Still doubt that historical samurai actually had elites given how much of military history revolves around posturing, lying about individual competence in combat, running around, and dying to normal environments hazards

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>>710684
>he doesn't know that the samurai had ainu blood

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>>711154
big chungus or something

>>710875
>>710876
Yeah, they were pretty based for something that was mainly a religious movement of monks and peasants IMO. Too bad they got quickly wiped out because every daimyo around them realized the existential threat that their teachings would become if they were allowed to spread freely (plus you know, the whole Ikko-Ikki considering all samurai to be their sworn enemies part).


>>710741
I also thought they looked similar. which makes sense since both are from genndy tartakovsky

>>710741
Samurai Jack was sent around the world to train everywhere from a young age, so is probably not very familiar nor adherent to Japanese practices.

Tanning is literally about soaking dead animals into urine.

>>711262
but its sort of hard to make enough tanned leather for 2.000 swordsmen plus maintenance and more when you activly call the people who produce your urine animal hide a bunch of dirty unwashable untermenshens and force them into secluded villages, and this includes the people who take care of your dead samurai's burials too after battle

>>711264
treating workers like shit has all-too-rarely stopped workers from actually working

>>711266
ain't that the truth

>>711264
in fact not letting burakumine tanners or butchers have their own guild meant they and their caste were completely under the control of the samurai class, they can buy their goods for the cheapest price possible, like who's gonna stop them? the people? no one respected untouchables

it was more profitable to exploit them than let them have rights, free slaves, cheap labour

>samurai army needs hide for new armor parts and grip for his laquered weapon handle

>""asks"" local burakumin village for more hide
>keep in mind Because they are deemed polluted, they deserve no rights, respect, or payment that excesses their survival, Therefore, samurai get their essential materials very cheaply and the people who make em remain powerless, which makes it easier to aquire than actually letting them build hunter lodges or communities than can withhold their craft if needed or revolt
>the process of production is done all by them and you get to stay away from dead animal corpses they butcher because samurai loopholed their religion into <wearing dead animal leather you did not kill = no filthy sins that makes you weaker in battle>
>after production is done you get your product, the sins of dead corpse butchery is outsourced into the burakumins and they are made to do long rituals of purifying their souls

it wasn't just some single village or two, each clan had entire untouchable small villages called eta-mura, eta hinin or "village of those with polluted blood" dedicated to paying them not in rice like farmers, in nengu, special tax of leather goods, saddles, drums, and other products from dead animals. They were legally bound to produce these goods. Their survival depended on fulfilling these quotas for their lords.

Tanning leather kinda smells bad, so literally every feudal society exiled them and their workplace to the borders of their villages


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