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This is why I prefer pornography

> they both just want simple, uncritical and straightforwardly instructive works

Most antihero slop isn’t actually complex, it’s just lazy trash that’s too cowardly/money-centric to take definitive stances

all capeshit is simple and uncritical, the only difference is that james gunn wants capeshit to be earnest and sentimental vs the try hard aloofness of post josh whedon capeshit, which is extremely unbearable and offputting due to sheer saturation, which is why james gunn is doing alright at the box office.

>>713306 (also me)
if you ask me, if i have to watch capeshit, i much prefer james gunn's approach because then characters would have some pathos and the movie would have more meat beyond the cgi spectacle (also why superman is doing great). the reason why capeshit went with ironically detached superheroes not concerned with morals or whatever is because it lends itself well to mediocre characterization.

>>713282
>> James Gunn on today’s characters: “Everybody’s a f*cking antihero. Everybody’s too f*cking cool.”
TRVTHVNKE

>>713286
I think OP was making that point too.

>>713282
Maybe I'm disconnected but who are these edgy superheroes? They're all boy scouts. Maybe they curse once. At least in Hollywood. Maybe comics is full of degen shit I dunno.

id rather watch the venture bros, its the kind of tone james gunn tries to do but actually executed well

>>713282
>they both just want simple, uncritical and straightforwardly instructive works that don't bother seriously examining questions like "what is good?" or "can a virtuous person falter?", just feel-good slop.
That's not even remotely what he says in the quote. Safe edgy out-of-the-box antiheros (who are really just heros with a bad attitude usually) aren't inherently any more mature or nuanced than goodie two shoes. This isn't "troll's remorse" it's realizing that there's more to "mature content" than simply being family-unfriendly.

<“The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist; a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain.”
<Ursula K. LeGuin

>>713376
you think op is trying to say the other side of capeshit is le mature and nuanced? lol

>>713377
No, it's that James Gunn is saying dark and edgy capeshit isn't any better despite the pretenses that it's more mature. Whether he wants to make a more mature story or just more wholesome positive slop is another question. OP is misinterpreting what he's saying as "troll's remorse" and just wanting a simple narrative, but that's not what he's saying. Gunn isn't complaining that dark and edgy stuff is harmful or too complex, which is what would imply what OP is inferring.

>>713306
>>713309
You already fell for it because you bought into the dichotomy. There's plenty of potential stories they could be telling that fall into neither "good old fashioned values" nor Gen X "heh everything sucks and is phony but I'm cool tho".

>>713282
The real problem is that Gunn is full of shit. He doesn't mean any of these words and his previous work proves it. He's just catering his words to exactly what the hopepunk audience wants to hear.
God I'm so tired of capeshit discourse. The best superhero movie is still worse than a good superhero comic, and superhero comics aren't exactly great art to begin with. But at least if you crack open the best of Jack Kirby's work you get pages upon pages of cool cosmic pop-art and not "inspirational" shit for emotionally stunted 34yos who want Superman to tell them they are valid.

Yeah I like all might, superman (when he’s actually nice), Peter, and luffy too