Since US tech embargo on China is still in effect and US plans to squeeze Chinese tech companies by restricting their access to computer chips. China's reaction to this was to make one of their goals to have a home-grown alternative for Intel, AMD, TSMC and the like to decrease dependence on the US. So I was wondering what kind of progress have they been making lately and what are their prospects of ever having a viable alternative to Intel and AMD?
There is all this talk about SMIC, Loongson and Zhaoxin and that in early 2020 Zhaoxin allegedly published a chip comparable to 2017 level intel and AMD tech and they are planning to have parity with Intel in a few years. Then there are Some sources are saying that China is failing horribly at acquiring manufacturing tech for more advanced processors. And I really can't make any real sense out of it.
So when will I be able to buy a computer that uses a hardware that dunks on burger made tech and sends my personal data to Beijing instead of Washington, if ever?
65 posts and 9 image replies omitted.>>15971this is both an old article (2022) and a nothingburger.
this is the limit of the DUV technology, the fact that china managed to do this is impressive but without newer machines they cant get beyond 7nmn. Meanwhile TSMC, Intel, etc. will be getting into the angstrom era.
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-puts-tsmc-on-notice-with-step-towards-angstrom-era-chips/see this article from 2 weeks ago.
>Intel says it has completed development of its upcoming 20A and 18A chip production processes. The first chips built on the first of these new nodes—the 20A node—will be made in the first half of next year.20 angstrom is 2nm. I.E. non chinese companies are already using EUV lithography to make 2 and 1.8 nm nodes.
>>18528>Previous reports have indicated that Loongson's 3A6000 processor will allegedly provide performance that is on par with AMD's Ryzen 5000 CPUs and Intel's 11th-Gen Core CPUs, which both debuted in 2020.yes and later this year intel will be making chips that are far faster and smaller than what they did before.
>>18901You realize they're not reliable, easy to make, affordable or usable in good yields?
Its nice that we have people learning the ways, but it won't replace how many decades from this we are now.
>>10378would have to be some kind of special X-Ray microscope or regular electron microscope, both of which are likely to damage whatever they scan, and then still it'd only be practical to check small parts at a time, unless some kind of algorithmic solution is used.
>>15893oop, guess I'm too late
Open Source tastes best when forced anyways
>>15893holy BASED
when will we have home-bootstrappable low tech CPUs to cascade in like 5 cycles of re-etching upwards into formally verified FOSS CPUs? 50 years?
>>21476This, coupled with what seems to be Huawei's superior android app compiler than can increase performance by more than 30%, Huawei is in a great position.
https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-ark-compiler-android-app-performance/Not sure how common this Ark compiler is and it doesn't necessarily work with google play store downloaded apps, unfortunately. Other than that, I might get a huawei as my next phone. I got the cheapest compatible pixel phone and installed grapheneOS. It's not too bad but I do wonder how effective it is.
RISC laptop* incoming for $300. The end of history is over anons.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/04/30/muse-book-laptop-spacemit-k1-octa-core-risc-v-ai-processor-16gb-ram/*with decent specs, screen and connectivity
>>25345They buried the lede on this device. It has a RVA22 CPU with RVV (Vector) 1.0.
Finally, we're seeing devices with the important batch of extensions ratified December 2021.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40314731 >>26015>Or even better the "Fourth Industrial Revolution" is actually the second "Starwars", and coming "Third AI Winter".Think now this mostly can't be the case. If cost of automating services like tellers or cashiers, and logistics industries (of course logistics came to mind even before) drops to the point where these things could be reasonably automated it would have a significant impact. The odd thing to me is that these could largely already be automated by simple web-apps or button panels and scanners, or in the case of logistics by train yards. Is natural language processing, or sophisticated image recognition really necessary for such automation - or more compellingly, would they be sufficient for such a realization? Capital simply systematically undervalues labor and so such an automation has only been partial; and it may be that reducing the cost of implementing these services would be such that it could cause radical shifts in industry. In some industries, like logistics, this is nearly a guarantee
maybe starting 2027 it looks like.
Is StarFive (
https://www.starfivetech.com/en/site/company) really Chinese or no? If they count then might they already have a cool Chinese RISC-V:
https://milkv.io/mars#buy (Shenzhen MilkV Technology Co., Ltd (Milk-V)) can take a SATA SSD with an adapter which was always an issue with older SBC.
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