No.17668
>>17661>ArteMISSGod how ironic would be if the rocket accidentally shoots past the moon and disappears forever?
No.17671
so what's the time, like 25 minutes? Top of the hour?
No.17673
>>17665GPS is pretty cool. Sattelite internet might be good too. We'll see.
How many Musk launches have y'all seen in person? He keeps tricking me into thinking we're being invaded by ayyliums
Shit looks freaky as fuck in person. I saw picrel and I also saw a stream of Starlink sattelites deploying. Looked like a military helicopter convoy but it looked like way too many. Both times they were probably way up high in the atmosphere when I saw them but it's hard to tell from the ground.
No.17675
>>17673I used to live pretty close to Cape Canaveral and saw of a couple of the ones in the 3rd pic, I believe they're caused by the fuel tanks reentering? Idk, but the pulsing halo effect does look very unnatural, and alien compared to everything else man-made. I was really impressed when I saw it.
No.17678
>>17665Wow, the Faustian spirit and muh nihilism, we really care about that over here
No.17679
Congrats to americans for finally getting it to work
No.17685
>>17679That might be the last, there is chatter about Artemis III not happening before 2028 and that SLS might be scrapped. They'd instead use a Falcon 9 with dragon to get the astronauts from earth to LEO and HLS from there to go to the moon.
No.18468
>>18467what are they even sending? more comms satellites? I'm not sure how that is really helping mankind.
No.18469
>>18468The bulk is starlink, but they also send people, supplies, scientific missions, military stuff etc. Falcon 9 is the US workhorse rocket.
Most of our solar system resources are up here, waiting to be exploited free of pollution. Regardless of the mode of production there is really no way forward but up and this avenue will be wide open in the near future with fully reusable launchers coming online. Then deep space industry will follow making space based activities even less costly in a positive feedback loop sort of way.
No.19266
>>18467>private companyLike Tesla, they're the best kind of private company. The kind that's funded publicly. You fund them and Elon and his acolytes get the credit and the profit. Launch postponed anyway.
No.19294
>>19292Just imagine being some rocket engineer or something who spent your youth studying hard because you wanted to make a difference. You wanted to be part of advancing aerospace technology and help move humanity into the future. But there's no real "space program" any more, just billionaire children of privilege with no respect or understanding of the significance of space. To them it's just a vanity project or a grift. Their companies are the places you can get a job in your field.
And you try to make the best of it. You and many like you try to push technology forward among a lack of public interest and the whims of an egomaniac boss. "Make the rocket look more phallic." "Shoot a car into space." "Change the launch day to the weed day." "Get me Captain Kirk; I want to fly into orbit with him." You try to make the best of it, but again and again these oxygen wasters fuck it up. And why? For what? Because they hold the keys to the kingdom. The world is their playground, and we are the toys.
No.19295
>>19294Can you just laugh at this like a normal person
No.19438
>>19437What a great scam. The money still gets spent, great man billionaire theory is pushed, and nobody is accountable for failure. It's just billionaires doing what billionaires do, nothing to do with public money guys! Total success!
No.19443
>>19437Isn't this entirely because Musk refused to let them use the normal water dampening that absorbs shock during lift-off? Instead of being absorbed the force basically turned the launch pad into a crater and blew the debris back up at the rocket causing damage before it even lifted off.
No.20425
Here's a good bit on Energia/Buran
https://web.archive.org/web/20120922071933/http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/energia.htm
>Had the Soviet Union not fallen and the Energia booster gone into production, huge projects were planned to take advantage of its capabilities to realize Soviet military and international space goals. These included:
<Restoration of the earth's ozone layer<Disposal of nuclear waste outside of the solar system<Illumination of polar cities by reflection of the sun's light<Large-area space energy reflectors<Solar sails for interplanetary flights<Exploitation of lunar resources for fusion reactors on the earth<Space control system to assure ecological compliance and guaranteed strategic stability<International global information communications system<Removal of space debris in geostationary orbit<Large space radio telescope to study galaxiesDamn, what could have been.
No.20426
>>20425<Restoration of the earth's ozone layerAlready done. We only had to stop emitting teh gases responsible.
<Disposal of nuclear waste outside of the solar systemNo chance. Too dangerous to pack a rocket full of nuclear waste in case it fails.
<Illumination of polar cities by reflection of the sun's lightPossible. More useful to light solar panel fields tho.
<Large-area space energy reflectorsOk
<Solar sails for interplanetary flightsNuclear propulsion better
<Exploitation of lunar resources for fusion reactors on the earthOk
<Space control system to assure ecological compliance and guaranteed strategic stabilityOk
<International global information communications systemOk
<Removal of space debris in geostationary orbitOk
<Large space radio telescope to study galaxiesOk
No.20427
>>19797Russia is lost on the space department. They will just go full on military. Don't know if Chian will want to bring a Russian into their moon missions tho.
No.20429
>>20427>Russia is lost on the space department. They will just go full on military. If a billionaire can run some tech demos in a few years a civilization state tm, with a rich space history, can do the same. Particularly in a era of global dedollarization.
No.20431
>>20429Those american billionaires have been funded by NASA and military contracts. And they have syphoned engineers from NASA. So no. Human spaceflight is hard.
No.20442
>>20431Yeah the engineering and scientific sectors of Russia and the other ex-URSS states are as hollowed out as their state institutions… besides the extractive industry. Majority of exceptional and good students go into the pipeline to Gasprom & co, that's where stability and money are. 40 years ago if you studied math and physics in uni wherever in the world you would have wanted a Moscow Edition book, teachers even recommended those. Now? Well all the geniuses over there are designing more efficient ways to get gas and to transport it, no money and no jobs in the fundamental science and "prestige" engineering business. That's not something you rectify overnight even with unlimited means, so much institutional knowledge has been lost, and the infrastructure is crumbling.
No.21359
Luna 25 failed apparently, Russia can't into deep space anymore. Let's hope India nails their landing with Chandrayaan-3.
No.21361
>>20429>with a rich space historyLol not since the 70s with a complete collapse of the intellectual, educated population since
Anyways they just fucked up as
>>21359 said
No.21402
a good time of remember how much the Soviet Union helped ISRO
https://nitter.net/piebyfour/status/1694371935294214611 No.21404
>>21361Up until very recently the US couldn't get to space so were contracting Russians to carry US cargo to space on Soyuz tech. I was pretty surprised to see the actual tonnage space X got into orbit for sure, but anyone who got their government funding could do that.
No.21406
>>21405>>21405> they simply didn't have anything human rated because they retired the shuttle so they relied on soyuz, the russian trampoline, to get people on and off the ISSso they relied on a civilization state tm, with a rich space history. I'm beyond biased against even the idea of a "private" space program tbh. The idea of funneling public funds for a space program to government-created billionaires is Howard Hughes level shit. Of course a narrow panic program with unlimited public funding will get quick results compared to something like NASA.
No.21407
>>21406Allegedly SpaceX reduced space mission cost by 90%. Sounds like a classic neoliberal lie. SpaceX will die in a few years.
No.21408
>>21407I also heard that a bunch of top companies' books are basically lies. Not only that, a lot of them have very fragile basis, like being very sensitive to oil prices or sensitive to the mood of investors.
Apparently it's an open secret that top auditing firms are running cover for the top companies too.
No.21410
>>21406>>21407>>21408It makes sense that with re-usability of hardware you offer cheaper services, I don't understand why it's so unfathomable, for a higher launch cadence if anything else.
People who didn't believe in private space companies 15 years ago had good arguments because the capital that had to be put in front was so high for a high risk enterprise that was tied to governmental whims with few commercial applications. But now it's just plain denial, it is no secret that SpaceX is loosing money right now because they are launching so much starlink sats but they will have a monopoly on LEO internet constellation for years and years, which will be used by the US military and by most of the boats and planes. Their business model is sound, they are supported by the US government, and they are at the bleeding edge of space tech. Meanwhile almost every country, even Russia or China, who has stakes in space activities is pursuing re usability, sponsoring "newspace start ups", and "funneling public funds for government created billionaires", so they clearly don't think SpaceX is cooking the books and will collapse any day.
No.21411
>>21410Can't help but think that a government research institution is way more productive than a for-profit rocket and satellite company. They're doing different things for different reasons. Pushing innovation forward including rocket tech is not necessarily profitable and at some point (very quickly) it simply doesn't give a good ROI.
No.21412
>>21411I somewhat want to agree with you but the data doesn't. In a way it reflects the behavior AES countries in regard to economy, it's clear you need states and governments to organize and pay upfront for the beginning of a space program, because technological and manufacture knowledge are commodities that need to be accumulated in a coherent manner for a full fledged economy to develop and opportunities to appear. For example a cryogenic engine is twenty years of development for a big country, no business can pay for that development… but they can refine and exploit it.
But that's it, planned economies crunched or collapsed, pure state owned space programs ossified or are repeating missions that "only" have scientific value and we are here now, so even an AES country like China is pursuing market based strategy because they chase what works, and anyone looking to the future expects humanity to spread out in the solar system.
Maybe it's just time to not put space industry in a special place full of that cold war glitter and human accomplishment and consider it's now just infrastructure building and commercial enterprise that obeys to market conditions in a capitalist mode of production. We built railroads and locomotives in the past, we're building rockets and satellites now, with capitalism.
No.23831
>>21412>when you put your spacefaggotry ahead of all elset. spacefag
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