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Thread for watching rocket launches and shit.

 

ARTEMIS launch t-12:00

 


 


 

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Soviet space shuttle is sexy.

 

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>>17665
>science is gay
>so are you for believing it
>"space future" narrative is atheist propaganda
>space colonization is a subversion of the faustian spirit
>space futureism is nihilist cope
>space mining will never be economically feasible

 

>>17661
>ArteMISS
God how ironic would be if the rocket accidentally shoots past the moon and disappears forever?

 

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>>17665
I'm just in it for the sexy space ships.

and Cosmonauts.

 

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so what's the time, like 25 minutes? Top of the hour?

 

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>>17665
GPS is pretty cool. Sattelite internet might be good too. We'll see.

How many Musk launches have y'all seen in person? He keeps tricking me into thinking we're being invaded by ayyliums

Shit looks freaky as fuck in person. I saw picrel and I also saw a stream of Starlink sattelites deploying. Looked like a military helicopter convoy but it looked like way too many. Both times they were probably way up high in the atmosphere when I saw them but it's hard to tell from the ground.

 


 

>>17673
I used to live pretty close to Cape Canaveral and saw of a couple of the ones in the 3rd pic, I believe they're caused by the fuel tanks reentering? Idk, but the pulsing halo effect does look very unnatural, and alien compared to everything else man-made. I was really impressed when I saw it.

 

>>17675
4th pic

 

LAUNCH SEQUENCE RESUMED
T MINUS 9:45 MINUTES
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash

 

>>17665
Wow, the Faustian spirit and muh nihilism, we really care about that over here

 

Congrats to americans for finally getting it to work

 

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>A technology demonstration called Callisto, named after the mythical figure associated with Artemis, developed by Lockheed Martin in collaboration with Amazon and Cisco, is also in flight aboard Orion on Artemis 1. Callisto will use video conferencing software to transmit audio and video from mission control and use the Alexa virtual assistant to respond to the audio messages. In addition, members of the public are able to submit messages to be displayed on Callisto during the Artemis 1 mission
lol
lots of dumb pageantry around this, but the CubeSat missions seem interesting
BTW, it's funny that a lot of satellite payloads come in cute little cube forms

 

>>17679
That might be the last, there is chatter about Artemis III not happening before 2028 and that SLS might be scrapped. They'd instead use a Falcon 9 with dragon to get the astronauts from earth to LEO and HLS from there to go to the moon.

 

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>>17675
>>17676
Yeah that one was weird and unique to me because they don't usually fire rockets from Vandenburg. I've seen the shuttle a few times flying into Edwards though. There was some Trident launches that also caused a disturbance but I didn't see them first hand.

 

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Human spaceflight is coming back huh

 


 

The pace of SpaceX is just insane, if you'd tell anyone ten years ago that a private company would match the rest of the world combined in tonnage to orbit they would have thought you were wacko.
I know it shouldn't be a revolutionary priority but I'm convinced cheap access to space is crucial for the next steps humankind will take and I honestly can't wait for China's ventures to catch up and the cislunar economy to take off.

 

>>18467
what are they even sending? more comms satellites? I'm not sure how that is really helping mankind.

 

>>18468
The bulk is starlink, but they also send people, supplies, scientific missions, military stuff etc. Falcon 9 is the US workhorse rocket.
Most of our solar system resources are up here, waiting to be exploited free of pollution. Regardless of the mode of production there is really no way forward but up and this avenue will be wide open in the near future with fully reusable launchers coming online. Then deep space industry will follow making space based activities even less costly in a positive feedback loop sort of way.

 

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Can't wait for this thing to lift off

 

>>19261
T -16 min

 

>>19264
Scrub

 

>>18467
>private company
Like Tesla, they're the best kind of private company. The kind that's funded publicly. You fund them and Elon and his acolytes get the credit and the profit. Launch postponed anyway.

 

Starship exploded
It is now, no longer reaching the eponymous proverbial stars, let alone a ship (proverbial, eponymous) any longer

 

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Hey idiot, the spaceship is supposed to SHIP itself into SPACE, not EXPLODE itself into RUBBLE

 

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a story in two parts

 

>>19292
Dude weed lmao

 

>>19292
Just imagine being some rocket engineer or something who spent your youth studying hard because you wanted to make a difference. You wanted to be part of advancing aerospace technology and help move humanity into the future. But there's no real "space program" any more, just billionaire children of privilege with no respect or understanding of the significance of space. To them it's just a vanity project or a grift. Their companies are the places you can get a job in your field.

And you try to make the best of it. You and many like you try to push technology forward among a lack of public interest and the whims of an egomaniac boss. "Make the rocket look more phallic." "Shoot a car into space." "Change the launch day to the weed day." "Get me Captain Kirk; I want to fly into orbit with him." You try to make the best of it, but again and again these oxygen wasters fuck it up. And why? For what? Because they hold the keys to the kingdom. The world is their playground, and we are the toys.

 

>>19294
Can you just laugh at this like a normal person

 

>>19295
I really can't.

 

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>>19295
I can laugh but I'm also crying.

 

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>>19437
What a great scam. The money still gets spent, great man billionaire theory is pushed, and nobody is accountable for failure. It's just billionaires doing what billionaires do, nothing to do with public money guys! Total success!

 


 

>>19437
Isn't this entirely because Musk refused to let them use the normal water dampening that absorbs shock during lift-off? Instead of being absorbed the force basically turned the launch pad into a crater and blew the debris back up at the rocket causing damage before it even lifted off.

 

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Russia announced their response to Starship, certainly their military will push for a platform with which they can put a mega constellation online but at the same time Russia is champion of vaporware space projects.

 

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Here's a good bit on Energia/Buran

https://web.archive.org/web/20120922071933/http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/energia.htm

>Had the Soviet Union not fallen and the Energia booster gone into production, huge projects were planned to take advantage of its capabilities to realize Soviet military and international space goals. These included:


<Restoration of the earth's ozone layer

<Disposal of nuclear waste outside of the solar system
<Illumination of polar cities by reflection of the sun's light
<Large-area space energy reflectors
<Solar sails for interplanetary flights
<Exploitation of lunar resources for fusion reactors on the earth
<Space control system to assure ecological compliance and guaranteed strategic stability
<International global information communications system
<Removal of space debris in geostationary orbit
<Large space radio telescope to study galaxies

Damn, what could have been.

 

>>20425
<Restoration of the earth's ozone layer
Already done. We only had to stop emitting teh gases responsible.
<Disposal of nuclear waste outside of the solar system
No chance. Too dangerous to pack a rocket full of nuclear waste in case it fails.
<Illumination of polar cities by reflection of the sun's light
Possible. More useful to light solar panel fields tho.
<Large-area space energy reflectors
Ok
<Solar sails for interplanetary flights
Nuclear propulsion better
<Exploitation of lunar resources for fusion reactors on the earth
Ok
<Space control system to assure ecological compliance and guaranteed strategic stability
Ok
<International global information communications system
Ok
<Removal of space debris in geostationary orbit
Ok
<Large space radio telescope to study galaxies
Ok

 

>>19797
Russia is lost on the space department. They will just go full on military. Don't know if Chian will want to bring a Russian into their moon missions tho.

 

>>20427
>Russia is lost on the space department. They will just go full on military.
If a billionaire can run some tech demos in a few years a civilization state tm, with a rich space history, can do the same. Particularly in a era of global dedollarization.

 

>>20429
Those american billionaires have been funded by NASA and military contracts. And they have syphoned engineers from NASA. So no. Human spaceflight is hard.

 

>>20431
Yeah the engineering and scientific sectors of Russia and the other ex-URSS states are as hollowed out as their state institutions… besides the extractive industry. Majority of exceptional and good students go into the pipeline to Gasprom & co, that's where stability and money are. 40 years ago if you studied math and physics in uni wherever in the world you would have wanted a Moscow Edition book, teachers even recommended those. Now? Well all the geniuses over there are designing more efficient ways to get gas and to transport it, no money and no jobs in the fundamental science and "prestige" engineering business. That's not something you rectify overnight even with unlimited means, so much institutional knowledge has been lost, and the infrastructure is crumbling.

 

Luna 25 failed apparently, Russia can't into deep space anymore. Let's hope India nails their landing with Chandrayaan-3.

 

>>20429
>with a rich space history
Lol not since the 70s with a complete collapse of the intellectual, educated population since
Anyways they just fucked up as >>21359 said

 

They did it
Lots of weird nationalism but still cool

 

>>21396
Look at this little fella go! Sounds like this mission was a complete success.

 

a good time of remember how much the Soviet Union helped ISRO
https://nitter.net/piebyfour/status/1694371935294214611

 

>>21402
good time to*

 

>>21361
Up until very recently the US couldn't get to space so were contracting Russians to carry US cargo to space on Soyuz tech. I was pretty surprised to see the actual tonnage space X got into orbit for sure, but anyone who got their government funding could do that.

 

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>>21404
The US could absolutely get to space between 2011 and 2020, they simply didn't have anything human rated because they retired the shuttle so they relied on soyuz, the russian trampoline, to get people on and off the ISS. What SpaceX is doing is also nothing to scoff at, CASC has ten times the revenue of SpaceX but they put ten times less stuff in orbit (although granted, CASC activities are more spread out and SpaceX is launching mostly starlink these days).

 

>>21405
>>21405
> they simply didn't have anything human rated because they retired the shuttle so they relied on soyuz, the russian trampoline, to get people on and off the ISS
so they relied on a civilization state tm, with a rich space history. I'm beyond biased against even the idea of a "private" space program tbh. The idea of funneling public funds for a space program to government-created billionaires is Howard Hughes level shit. Of course a narrow panic program with unlimited public funding will get quick results compared to something like NASA.

 

>>21406
Allegedly SpaceX reduced space mission cost by 90%. Sounds like a classic neoliberal lie. SpaceX will die in a few years.

 

>>21407
I also heard that a bunch of top companies' books are basically lies. Not only that, a lot of them have very fragile basis, like being very sensitive to oil prices or sensitive to the mood of investors.

Apparently it's an open secret that top auditing firms are running cover for the top companies too.

 

>>21406
>>21407
>>21408
It makes sense that with re-usability of hardware you offer cheaper services, I don't understand why it's so unfathomable, for a higher launch cadence if anything else.
People who didn't believe in private space companies 15 years ago had good arguments because the capital that had to be put in front was so high for a high risk enterprise that was tied to governmental whims with few commercial applications. But now it's just plain denial, it is no secret that SpaceX is loosing money right now because they are launching so much starlink sats but they will have a monopoly on LEO internet constellation for years and years, which will be used by the US military and by most of the boats and planes. Their business model is sound, they are supported by the US government, and they are at the bleeding edge of space tech. Meanwhile almost every country, even Russia or China, who has stakes in space activities is pursuing re usability, sponsoring "newspace start ups", and "funneling public funds for government created billionaires", so they clearly don't think SpaceX is cooking the books and will collapse any day.

 

>>21410
Can't help but think that a government research institution is way more productive than a for-profit rocket and satellite company. They're doing different things for different reasons. Pushing innovation forward including rocket tech is not necessarily profitable and at some point (very quickly) it simply doesn't give a good ROI.

 

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>>21411
I somewhat want to agree with you but the data doesn't. In a way it reflects the behavior AES countries in regard to economy, it's clear you need states and governments to organize and pay upfront for the beginning of a space program, because technological and manufacture knowledge are commodities that need to be accumulated in a coherent manner for a full fledged economy to develop and opportunities to appear. For example a cryogenic engine is twenty years of development for a big country, no business can pay for that development… but they can refine and exploit it.
But that's it, planned economies crunched or collapsed, pure state owned space programs ossified or are repeating missions that "only" have scientific value and we are here now, so even an AES country like China is pursuing market based strategy because they chase what works, and anyone looking to the future expects humanity to spread out in the solar system.
Maybe it's just time to not put space industry in a special place full of that cold war glitter and human accomplishment and consider it's now just infrastructure building and commercial enterprise that obeys to market conditions in a capitalist mode of production. We built railroads and locomotives in the past, we're building rockets and satellites now, with capitalism.

 

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>>21412
>when you put your spacefaggotry ahead of all else
t. spacefag

 

When the American space program was based on merit and not on personality cult, like in the Eisenhower and Kennedy years, failure was named as failure and success as success – and were followed by actions appropriate for each.
Indeed, when the Navy's Vanguard rocket exploded after takeoff on December 6, 1957, it was named as failure and was followed by giving the chance, without delay, to the competing Redstone rocket team to complete and test their rocket. Of which success on January 31, 1958, is now history.
Thus, only naming this latest Starship explosion – after at least 7 previous explosions of this basic design at the costs of about $3B – as failure can lead to understand the related engineering and managerial problems. You may remember that the launch of this spacecraft was postponed on April 17 due to the discovery of an engineering error. Yet, Space X proceeded with the launch just 3 days later. Sure, their machine exploded again.
Thus, the question remains: Should an intelligent and moral society place the fate of starting Moon and Mars settlements into the hands of a leadership that doesn't fully understand the difficulty, complexity and dangers of this mission, partly, because it spends time with selling cars, digging tunnels for trains, implanting brain devices, buying social media companies and acting in the entertainment industry almost daily?

 

>CTRL+F "edu"
>Not a single link to the board
Here, the space thread related to this one >>>/edu/1460

 

This is going to sound extremely schizo but is there anyone else here who believes in secret space program conspiracy theories?

 

>>24695
Like what? Obviously there are secret projects dealing with space. Governments aren't trying to hide that fact. Aerospace tech is a big deal for national security.

 

>>24698
I mean the more out there stuff, like anti-gravity/breakthrough-propulsion, secret outposts on the moon or mars or even extrasolar planets. I'm a schizo who unironically believes the Navy and Air Force are the actual source of UFOs and have a secret space program that's not done what NASA and Musk want to but did it decades ago.

 

>>24699
>>24695
I don't outright believe in it, but I think the X-Files type shenanigans could be possible.

 

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Disappointing that there's no informed discussion about China's invasion of the Nazi-controlled hemisphere of the moon. Is there any other board with technical discussion?

 

>>24699
If Musk was privy to any UFO shit he wold be chirping about it on twitter X.

 

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China wants to put 10,000 satellites into orbit. pic rel is the first thing to come to mind.
https://topwar.ru/243411-v-kitae-zajavili-o-namerenii-sozdat-orbitalnuju-gruppirovku-iz-10-tysjach-sputnikov.html


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