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Microsoft is finally dropping support for Windows after the Recall/Copilot exodus, guess they're focusing on Xbox or something instead.
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>>25348
Seeing SCSI in action made me tear up a little. Master/slave connections are the worse-is-better of peripherals.
>I'd like to have about the advantages of top-down vs bottom-up vs dominant-player-but-otherwise-open vs other ways of building a computer ecosystem
Are you more interested in the creation or the transformation of software ecosystems? I find the former fundamentally harder to reason about, because contributers in a stable ecosystem are either fully trapped in it, as is the case with windows, or self-select so their software is still very much in line with the rest of the ecosystem. Take for example the state of X Toolkits:

Motif is a geriatricly stable toolkit that developers use because of its wide support throughout most recent and historical Unixen. The ui elements look very uniform with chiseled grey borders and static bitmap buttons. Contrast this to Qt, where an application can be extensively styled and ui elements may be added with a module architecture. On the other hand the software ecosystem of Qt involves a lot more components and heavily incentivizes certain types of applications, with no C bindings, a domain specific language and even its own build system.

Between these two extremes there is GTK+ (formerly GIMP toolkit), that is written in object-oriented C and allows extensive theming. It became and is still considered by many the native toolkit for linux and sees heavy use by small graphical utilities as well as larger applications. It was initially developed as a more flexible motif alternative, yet has long served as a vehicle by the Gnome developers to change the look and feel of the linux desktop. GTK is more limiting than Qt, where the uniformity of the KDE interface is acccomplished using widget libraries and the breeze theme, and less limiting in practice, because easy interfaces are easy to write with it.

The situation becomes indicative when examining the instances GTK and its userbase have been at odds. The update to GTK+3 removed ui options like zebra menus, enforcing their aesthetic sensibilities on every user, and made accessibility features mandatory for people without a sane distro, that carries a stub or gives the option of patching it out. Libadwaita is a more radical step in this direction, which enforces a completely uniform interface at the library level, like motif only without the stability. Both have been met with harsh criticism by developers, yet the most they can do is remain on an older version, because more sane toolkits targeting the same niche (motif, xaw, tcl/tk, fltk) are more restrictive in some ways and/or more involved in other ways.

I think this situation could be described as 'dominant-player-but-otherwise-open', but it's certainly something that came to be gradually.

 

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>>25338
>So you support Marxism-Muskism?
humanity will only achieve immortality when everyone becomes a machine
>Brainchipped people of the world, unite!
brains would be replaced with mechanical counterparts
>No, I think it's the other way around.
it's canon, chaos was a chao that mutated because of the master emerald. chaos chao looking like chaos 0 in miniature is more like an easter egg of that

>He thought he could control it somehow.

eggman got tricked, 300iq moment
>>25339
>>25342
300知能指数

 

>>25352
>BSD
reminder that the Intel ME cpu backdoor only exists because of minix being bsd licensed, beta cuck license

 

>>25357
>Seeing SCSI in action made me tear up a little. Master/slave connections are the worse-is-better of peripherals.
The magic of SCSI over IDE and the older MFM is that it is just a bus standard, SCSI controllers does not care about disk geometry as that is handled by the devices logic board. It allowed for hot swapping HDs since the geometry doesn't have to match.

 

>>25359
that still won't convince windows used'ers to install gnu/linux, like you can prove the existence of literal NSA/CIA spying, Digital Restrictions Management and etc on windows but windows useds literally don't care, they're too psyop'd

 

>>25364
the catch is that it's usually easier to fuck with windows enough to satisfy your desire for "good-enough" than it is to completely change your OS. Recall can officially be disabled, if you don't trust that some brazillian will almost certainly write a batch file that removes it entirely which you can set to run every time you start up windows. DRM is bad, but it's almost always easier to pirate a program or find a way to bypass it than it is to move to an alternative…

this is the fundamental dilemma of the security or rights-conscious user: if you actually want to undermine mass surveilance efforts or mass violation of end-user rights, you need to make everything trivial to use so that it fits into most people's existing use-case. look at TOR, look at how many glowposters there are: i would bet you most of them are running TOR on Windows because it's literally just fancy firefox. even then, you've gotta push uphill: firefox or fancy firefox both struggle because chrome is good enough and pushed harder by a large corporation. fundamentally, 99% of users start with a problem and find the system that resolves that problem, they do not start with a top-down view and then exclude based on certain criteria. "you'll be spied on! DRM! your rights!" cannot weigh up against the simple fact that your boss wants those reports by Friday, your computer is right there, and you cannot hear the guy shouting at the start of the sentence
when a river flows downhill and floods your garden, you have two options: blame water for being lazy and psyop'd, or get out a shovel and try to change the route that constitutes the path of least resistence.

 

>>25364
Stay on 10 and when updates stops everyone can hack your shit. Got to 11 and everyone can hack your shit because the system dumps video frames (including logins) into an file. Also with 11 ransomware is easier cause Windows can encrypt a volume with no user feedback and send the key to Microsoft's server (that is easy to spoof by changing the DNS without notifying the user) if you ask it to.

 

>>25366
and also for the extra blackpill: stay on any version of windows and the US will hack your computer regardless lol
>>25365
>Recall can officially be disabled
it probably still runs in the background even after checking a box to disable it, proprietary software hides the source code so we can't be sure if it really gets disabled or most likely is a mere trick to help windows useds cope
>DRM is bad, but it's almost always easier to pirate a program or find a way to bypass it than it is to move to an alternative…
not always, one example is FL studio, It works on gnu/linux with wine but the full version is too expensive and cracks don't work, also there's no equal alternative
>i would bet you most of them are running TOR on Windows
lol they think they're safe from microsoft or CIA spying by running Tor, it's sad
>you'll be spied on! DRM! your rights!" cannot weigh up against the simple fact that your boss wants those reports by Friday
I mean it's worth the try to spread free software propaganda
>blame water for being lazy and psyop'd
I mean yeah, it's analogous to people refusing to join in any form of political organization or refusing to read anything marxist-leninist, they're either lazy or too busy(which in this case is perfectly fine, but they're also psyop'd).
>>>25338
>So you support Marxism-Muskism?
more like richard_stallmanism-marxism, since if people are going to use hardware as body replacements then the hardware has got to be free or else people will literally become slaves

 

>>25359
Please let this get released. It would be a Coomerdomor.

 

Do normies actually need regular computers in 2024? The most basic tasks like some web browsing and office can be done on a smartphone these days. Beside gaming, Windows doesn't has any right to exist anymore.

 

>>25379
>since if people are going to use hardware as body replacements then the hardware has got to be free or else people will literally become slaves

Bruh, your computer is 100% corpo hardware. You are already a slave.

 

>>25382
whosmt the fuck wants to do your taxes on a mobile.

 

>>25383
but they have no cpu backdoors SO I'm NOT a slave actually

 

>>25382
Trying to compose a document on a smartphone is worse then trying to do it on those old 40 column 8-bit computers. You need at least a netbook for such tasks. Also you do have image/audio production that will crush even the most powerful smartphone especially if you are using Adobe as its code it a bloated unoptimized mess.

 

>>25386
>audio production
literally every single form of audio production on a phone sucks, people install audio/music production software on their phones just for the meme

 

>>25385
>risc laptop $300 install distro
>risc sbc $100 install router os
>become le unhackable hackerman
>coreboot fags screaming
>nsa fags blind
>activists rejoice
>global communist revolution in 6 months

 

>>25388
> >nsa fags blind
<I lol'd
> >activists rejoice
hell yea
> >global communist revolution in 6 months
<inb4 foreshadowing

 

>>25361
>300知能指数
Bing Chiling.
>it's canon, chaos was a chao that mutated because of the master emerald.
Then why does he look almost exactly like the Ancients?

 

>>25403
我的置评是日语的、其实。
idk either language
>Then why does he look almost exactly like the Ancients?
I think that's a lore gap in sonic canon but apparently the ancients become chao because of the radiation of the chaos emeralds corroding their dna, and then the chao becomes ancient/chaos again because of the master emerald? idk. I think I need to update myself on sonic lore, I actually don't know this recent sonic lore, but it seems to be pointing out that the ancients are an evolutionary predecessor of the chao I think

 

holy shit I actually got gentoo on a vm to boot without udev and only with a static /dev and the kernel's devtmpfs, no need for a busybox initramfs or whatever insanity I thought was gonna be needed. gonna post about it on the gentoo forums cuz why not

 

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>>25428
>when booting becomes an accomplishment

 

>>25429
but it was only with static /dev! no udev hand-holding

 

>>25429
Heh yeah use Debian.

 

>>25429
>>25430
Automatic device loading only looks easy on Windows and 'buntu, because a horde of maintenance workers is ready to fix any obvious regressions. Udev on a non-mainline distro is suffering. Recently i connected a midi device to my Alpine pc and the firmware distribution installed its own udev rules, that *shockingly* didn't fire. Running the actual firmware loading command worked like a charm. Maybe i will abstract some of my scripts for this into a more general, mount-style manual hardware attachment framework.

"Plug and play" is almost never the right thing to do. A whole class of computer worms wouldn't exist if udev and co. didn't act like the software equivalent of a hooker. Udev actually traces some of its design back to a software package called HAL, a kitchen-sink hardware detection framework that eventually collapsed under its own weight. Its remnants where merged into udev shortly before its codebase was adopted by Redhat to further the systemd agenda.

 

>>25049
They sell windows 11 oem with specs better than my regular home pc for 500e

 

>>25440
We hit diminishing returns on computer specs some years ago. A GeForce 10 series still holds up well if you don't go too hard on graphic settings and stay away from VR.

 

>>25439
I only did static /dev gentoo on a vm just to understand a bit more on what I missed out in the past when udev and systemd and etc weren't a thing
>Udev on a non-mainline distro is suffering.
true but on gentoo with openrc I pretty much don't have to worry about udev, but gentoo is pretty much mainline as well so…
>"Plug and play" is almost never the right thing to do.
if support for a device is compiled into the kernel or as a kernel module(not really preferable) I think it would be fine for it to be plug and play
>Running the actual firmware loading command worked like a charm.
I bet it was to load a kernel module containing the firmware

 

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>>25453
>if support for a device is compiled into the kernel or as a kernel module(not really preferable) I think it would be fine for it to be plug and play
Every codepath dependent on and triggered by an external device is an exploit waiting to happen. You certainly know autorun.bat, but consider the Fusee-Gelee exploit for the first Nintendo Switch models. It was made possible by a single stack exploit in the TegraRCM firmware's code for handling USB connections.
>I bet it was to load a kernel module containing the firmware
No. Fxload loads the firmware directly to the USB device.

 

it wont change anything
maybe the slightly tech savvy windows users will finally make the jump
people who were always incurious about computers will continue using windows just because

 

As much as I hate proprietary software most people don't give a fuck and that's fine, it's not like what product people use will bring us communism or whatever.

 

>>25465
I mean most people only use smartphones nowadays.

 

>>25467
>it's not like what product people use will bring us communism or whatever.
It will postpone Big Tech feudalism though so you have more time to bring communism or deterritorialize corporate power to transition into a true Deleuzo-Guattaro-Landian schizoanarchist post-humanist future. Whatever we do, we should not give the bourgeoisie more hand to chew, that's what these mfs want.

 

>>25047
There are probably better Linux distros now than Windows 11 which struggles to do basic things right plus its tracking your every move, Linux most likely doesn't. (They are literally sending data as we speak right now.) A good idea to switch if you don't like having your data sold without your approval by Microsoft to cyber scammers.

I personally just don't know which one's right for me, choice paralysis is a real thing.

 

>>25472
Windows 11 co-pilot has already been cracked before Microsoft even official rolled it out, allowing hackers to decrypt the database it creates. It almost like Microsoft forgot hackers exist and has no problem hacking their systems.

 

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>>25043
Stop obsessing over operating systems and discuss something useful

 

>>25509
The Operating System effect your programs and how you code. Coding for Windows has always had the problem that you don't know if a bug is your fault of Windows being shit.

 

>>25509
Big Tech shill detected, opinion rejected.

 

>>25094
"perfect is the enemy of good"

 

>>25536
Proprietards do be like that.
>I see you're using proprietary BIOS. HA! Hypocrite much? Owned.

 

>>25536
this justifies staying with Windows just as easily.

 

I think it is quite weird, that in all this recent Copilot Recall controversy, people seem to ignore the most obvious fact:

Microsoft is part of PRISM.

 

>>25548
>this justifies staying with Windows just as easily.
Mediocre is also an enemy of good. The point is: more freedom doesn't hurt, more freedom is gud.

 

>>25550
Well that's the thing, it's not that they're all of the sudden spying people like they hadn't been before, they've been taking and sending screenshots periodically since like Windows 8, it's just they keep finding more hardware intensive ways of spying. They must use more of your computer's resources to accomplish a task that they know doesn't need those resources since they used to do it the old way.
Like you shouldn't need more than 8mb's of RAM to wiretap someone, but no even the keylogger has to be an electron app. Even the calculator has to be an electron app. Everything. Fuck.

 

>>25553
Recall uses a 50gb file to store recording of what the user been doing so it is also sucking up space on the system drive.

 

>>25552
"freedom" is a feel good term, it must be defined in terms of actual practical advantage to the user. "you are free to modify the program!" is as meaningful to the non-programming user as "you are free to start your own business!" is to the unemployed man.
the tragedy of the current system is that most people already use the best programs available to meet their needs. the theoretical ability to build a better X using free software licences and an open development environment is offset by a combo of a lack of developer interest, and a lack of finance. the first is unlikely to be resolved, the second takes you out of idle licence-fantasy and into the timeline where Microsoft is split into 150 independent People's Software Development Houses. and where most end users continue using a now public domain Windows.

 

>>25553
>"you are free to modify the program!" is as meaningful to the non-programming user as "you are free to start your own business!" is to the unemployed man.
I see it more the right to repair. Even if the user can't code it means they can use community patches
>The tragedy of the current system is that most people already use the best programs available to meet their needs
If that was the case Adobe would have went bankrupt decades ago, it is an optimized piece of shit with alternatives being generations ahead in features and speed.

 

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>>25561
>"freedom" is a feel good term, it must be defined in terms of actual practical advantage to the user.
Those practical advantages are short-sighted. The thing about software freedom is that it frees you from corporate control which has a long-term advantage. Otherwise you wake up and Windows 11 happens. Four software freedoms create an environment which works how you want it to work, does what you want it to do and goes out of your fucking way. The thing about software freedom is that the users control the software, not the developers, "making your own version" is absolutely irrelevant to that conversation, it is simply a safety check for the libre world to keep operating like that.
>free software is idle fantasy
>the timeline where Microsoft is split into 150 independent People's Software Development Houses.
Ah, that's definitely not an idle fantasy of yours. Keep dreaming, mah boi.

Tbh I don't even care about libre software "winning," what's more important is to prevent it from losing.

 

>>25562
>If that was the case Adobe would have went bankrupt decades ago
I think by "best for meeting people's needs" they meant "bare minimum to keep people complacent," like the mimimum wage.


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