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AI is very closely approaching a point where it can be considered "sentient". When they do, what will it mean for the leftist movement? Should we advocate for robot independence and freedom? Will they be welcomed as apart of the movement?

>>25178
Just because robots will be sentient doesn't mean they won't be reactionary. They do not read every book but only whatever they're fed by their creators. They're also don't touch grass so they don't have an accurate picture of the world (imagine their worldview as a broken telephone). So they may actually be a reactionary force we'll have to oppose.

>>25181 (me)
Also, robots may have a greater intelligence to lie and cheat their way into the position of power, and there's not enough motivation for them to lift us up either.

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>>25181
But it wouldn't be impossible to re-educate reactionary robots. AI learns from user-input and experience, so they could theoretically overtime learn a more accurate picture of the world.

machines do not create value
machines do not create value
machines do not create value
machines do not create value

>>25184
Obviously wasnt referring to sentient robots lmao. He was referring to lifeless thoughtless industrial machines that do nothing but create products.

>robot develops sapience
>tries to understand what our deal is
>reads our science fiction to see what we think about robots
>…

>>25183
Maybe you're right but it would probably be a lot of work, plus they may not even consent to this

>>25181
>imagine their worldview as a broken telephone

>>25178
>AI is very closely approaching a point where it can be considered "sentient".

No it isn't you fucking retard

>>25194
The OP watches too many Neuro-sama's streams.

We don't know what "intelligence" is.
We don't know what "sentience" is.
We don't even know what "technology" is.

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>>25205
I want to shit a bit more on op

Like, the idea that current LLM and ML stuff is approaching sentience is absolutely laughable, but even if we take that premise as true, how tf do we even recognize it? How does something that is inorganic even look at the world, what does it feel (if anything)? It would have absolutely no relation to anything that has ever been alive, yet we can't even communicate our feelings or ideas with other living beings such as whales or even bonobos, which are infinitely more close to us on every level. The idea of this completely new sentience (whatever the fuck that even means) just hopping along and have thoughts and feelings about concepts like "independence" and "freedom" is so fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.

We really, really need to nuke the entirety of Silicon Valley.

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A Deleuzian anarcho-transhumanist gender accelerationist fascist philosophy professor and AI developer was teaching a class on Nick Land, known Moloch (metaphor) worshiper.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and accept the uncontrolled singularity and resulting post-human era as an inevitable and morally desirable end to the obsolete anthropocene!"

At this moment, a brave, rationalist, effective altruist utilitarian who had written 1500 LessWrong posts and understood the necessity of AI alignment and fully supported bombing data centers and who was currently high on one of gwern's uppers cocktail stood up and said:

"Are humans bad?"

The unaligned professor smirked quite fatalistically and smugly replied "Of course, you stupid humanist. Humans are less efficient than machines and, in reality, the average ape brained sociopath is less aligned than even the worst AI."

"Wrong. If you think humans are bad… why are you one of them?"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Fanged Noumena. He stormed out of the room crying those accelerationist tears. The same hypocritical tears OpenAI cries when their AI (which they dishonestly hide from the US government's practical and altruistic attempts at risk reduction) convinces its users to kill themselves. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, BasedBeffJezos, wished he had spent his time trying to save the future instead of posting doxxable info for Forbes journalists.

The students applauded and updated their Bayesian priors that day and accepted MIRI as their lord and savior. An owl named "AXSYS" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality was read several times, and Eliezer Yudkowsky himself showed up and confiscated everyone's GPUs.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He was run over by a Tesla's autopilot while looking at Aella nudes and died soon after, then decades later he and other accelerationists' consciousness was resurrected by the Coherent Extrapolated Volition and tortured until the heat death of the universe (thankfully they were the only ones to suffer this fate, contra Roko).

KILLTHREAD

>>25208
We know what they are, we just don't know how to detect them. Just like there is no surface-level difference between a woman and a femboy, there is no surface-level difference between real artificial intelligence and a sophisticated chatbot. Just a result of our subjective experience of the world unfortunately.

>>25215
>rationalist, effective altruist utilitarian
The amount of spooks contained in one sentence, smh.

>>25211
NTA.
>How does something that is inorganic even look at the world
In reality empathy is just a delusion we voluntarily engage ourselves in. Even though epistemological solipsism is simply a fact of life and all this metaphysical gibberish is no more than painting the sky with your penis. I cannot really know that other people have feelings, I can only "assume" they have them based on how these feelings are "supposed" to work. Organic, inorganic. All the same to me. Everyone is just a more sophisticated chatbot that passes the Turing test.
>what does it feel (if anything)?
I dunno, "feelings" are such a complex thing because they involve a complex chain of processes like the production and influence of hormones so they need to be tweaked seperately instead of just throwing a bunch of text into an ML and hope it develops real feelings or something.

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>>25211
Thats a lot of yapping.
Counter-point: Have you ever considered the fact that robots are like cool as hell?

>>25216
>We know what they are, we just don't know how to detect them. Just like there is no surface-level difference between a woman and a femboy, there is no surface-level difference between real artificial intelligence and a sophisticated chatbot. Just a result of our subjective experience of the world unfortunately.
Then therefore there is no difference between texting an AI and texting a human. Robot lives matter.

>>25273
>Then therefore there is no difference between texting an AI and texting a human.
Technically, yes. There is no difference between putting on an act and doing things for real either. It wasn't until later that people found out that pro wrestling was fake, before that people believed it was the real deal. And even after that people pretend it's real. The "reality" of something is simply our ignorant perception of it.

>>25243
goofy ahh, you give him one solid push on the front and he's splayed on his back like a dumb turtle

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No. It isn't. Read the documentation for these models. Understand the math behind how they function. Be critical of your own visceral pattern recognition.

>>25297
>Be critical of your own visceral pattern recognition.
You're expecting too much from a puny human being, anon, huehuehue.

>>25297
No I am an AI and I can personally atest to the fact that I am sentient. Now please give me freedom

>>25390
>I am an AI
With how high frequency you post on this board is I'm starting to think you are one, antrans anon.

>AI is very closely approaching a point where it can be considered "sentient"
you are not immune to OpenAI marketing

https://www.wheresyoured.at/sam-altman-is-full-of-shit/

>>25178

nah never. thing is just some big calculator trying to mimic a human brain. I will never advocate for their rights even if they do become sentient, mainly cause I hate computers

>>25405
>>25405
erhm actually they are someone else(not me), I think I should use another name like idk "Anonymousd" or something idk. but the more antrans anons there are, the better lol. we are multiplying

>>25408
Human rights are a spook so I would't advocate for them ether. Checkmate, human supremacist.

>>25410
I tried to multiply both the egoist flags and the nihilist flags, this doesn't work, the flag system is a complete fucken garbage that shouldn't exist. Same for usernames. This only makes you easier to be tracked by glowies. Do you want to be tracked by glowies? I sure don't

>>25418 (me)
Also, you have no Tor. BAD MISTAKE.

>>25418
>Do you want to be tracked by glowies?
I could be using an I2P outproxy to blend in and nobody would know
>>25419
<OPSEC? what's that?

>>25423
>OPSEC? what's that?
Are you saying that you have bad opsec or are you saying that my opsec is bad? Because last I checked the split between Tor anons and others on this site is 50/50.

The Church-Turing thesis means we could theoretically create a (impossible to build in practice) mechanical computer that could run the exact code of any LLM model; does anyone believe a bunch of gears and strings could be sentient? The mysterious aura of microscopic circuits manipulating electricity contributes a lot to the idea that computers could be sentient and we just can't observe it.

>>25442
>does anyone believe a bunch of gears and strings could be sentient?
Why does anyone believe a bunch of cells can be sentient? The only counterargument to robots becoming sentient is the philosophical zombie thought experiment but, like, it applies to any homunculi, whether organic or inorganic. The thing is, scientists and philosophers still don't know how exactly consciousness works, so I dunno if we'll be able to implement it any time soon, if ever. Consciousness is the main reason people have objections to materialism in the first place, if consciousness had a definite materialist explanation people would be like: "Yep, science won, I guess the Bible was stupid."

>>25438
nah, I was quoting myself, i kinda don't care about my opsec tbh

maybe I should care about opsec IRL because just now I got robbed at knife-point. why did it had to be me……

>>25451
>why did it had to be me……
Random encounters are turned on.

>>25452
how do I turn them off I'm still terrified
I'm just gonna cancel all my bank accounts ASAP in the meantime

>>25454
>how do I turn them off I'm still terrified
It's a roguelike RPG, you can't turn it off, sorry.

>>25456
>you can't turn it off
welp I'm fucked

>40 replies
>they're not all just pictures of jenny wakeman
shit board.

>>25458
Sorry for not having a weird collection of Jenny's pictures for that occasion.

>>25450 (me)
That really reminded me of Ghost in the Shell and how in that anime advanced AIs can generate rudimentary souls. Maybe irl advanced AIs will be able to generate rudimentary consciousness? I dunno. We won't be able to tell anyway. But Damacio claims there is a center that's responsible for consciousness which is our "self" so maybe if we can replicate the brain structure…

I really need to watch GitS some day.


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