/tech/ - Technology

Counter point, big ai boobies.

>>28741
Adapt loser

And rokos basilik is fucking stupid, so an all powerful machine that may torture people people will torture you if you don't help it come to existance so make this infernal machine and sell out all of humanity so you can be its pet bitch?
Fucking patetic judas malichinst worm shit imma tell roko that of course I wasn't on its side I a human being and the basilisk can suck my cawwwwk

>>28745
Can’t handle the future?

>>28746
Ai like all things will simply be adapted into another tool of oppressing the working class, it’s not the fact that the technology exists that is the problem, it’s the people who are creating it and in control of its direction and production

>>28748
Will they even need the workers in the future?

>>28749
Well they need consumers to purchase the stuff they produce, so workers cant really go away. I would assume work in general will become more and more dehumanizing and monotonous over time and solely exist as a way to justify the existence of a wage so that that profit motive can continue to exist. I am more worried about how the ruling class will use this technology to make overthrowing them less and less possible over the coming years and decades. That is more the issue that a lot of people should be zeroing in on.

>>28741
I don't hate AI per se or its developers and academic theoreticians, but I do hate how every fucking Joe Schmoe on Twitter thinks that having an asshole qualifies him to pontificate on AI.

With climate change, AI will be a temporary thing and wont be sustainable on the long term
Just wait out the collapse
Tough times dont last, tough people last

>>28752
Lucky people last

>>28741
Not your blogspot.
Fuck off.

I fucking love ai, humanity will have no problems and we'll have cute anime women not making machines and they'll let us make our own decisions that we can control.

>>28750
>>28749
>>28748
I can't find it but I remember either it was an article or maybe just a tweet thread. But Musk was talking about how the future economy will be people playing video games to mine bitcoin. So something retarded like that but I think climate change will reduce industrial society to the point the massive surplus of resources required to run these shitty LLMs is going be to much before they can reach an AI that can self reproduce.

>>28744
Roko's basilisk is emblematic of capitalist brainrot, where you have to ignore the obvious consequence of everyone quitting their jobs to code some shitty AI (people starving to death, no electricity, no sanitation, etc.) because pointing out that shit like ChatGPT would not be possible without the entire society supporting it could lead people to question why the profits from these things are only going to like five people.

>>28749
please look up what surplus value is and why machines cannot produce it

>>28749
all machines will require human input until you can create a machine that is indistinguishable from humans at which point you will have recreated slavery.

AI is not the problem, its capitalism employing it. Just like the industrial revolution wasn't the problem. You cannot return to before AI has been created. Engels talks about this.

>>28760
amen brudda

>>28749
some people here arent realizing that even if human workers are required, less so are needed with ai.
With ai automating a lot of the work processes, you just need a few humans to do maintenance. So even if some humans are still needed the majority of humanity today is not….Thus the great culling and minimization of the human population will occur…
>>28750
companies can buy each others products. Companies can themselves become the consumer of other company products.

>>28762
>some people here arent realizing that even if human workers are required, less so are needed with ai.
it's just a change in the organic composition of capital. More C, less V. Btw More C less V in one sector just frees up V to be bought up by new sectors of labor that haven't been automated yet.
>With ai automating a lot of the work processes, you just need a few humans to do maintenance. So even if some humans are still needed the majority of humanity today is not….Thus the great culling and minimization of the human population will occur…
why all the production if no one to consume it? No what's really going to happen is the great mass of humanity is going to have their consumption subsidized. What kind of society culls humanity while producing more than enough for the current batch of humans with automation? A world where robots trade stocks but there are no people left? Maybe. But what is more likely is the gradual synthesis of humans with their technology to the point that they become indistinguishable. C and V merge. Transhumanism.
>>28762

>companies can buy each others products. Companies can themselves become the consumer of other company products.
Yes. But at the end of the day production is carried on for human consumption. If you get rid of the humans, the production has no purpose.

>>28763
>why all the production if no one to consume it? No what's really going to happen is the great mass of humanity is going to have their consumption subsidized. What kind of society culls humanity while producing more than enough for the current batch of humans with automation
a society that is heading towards a climate and ecological society catastrophe. a society where the bourg elite recognize the current model is not sustainable.
The planet is heading towards a extreme ecological and climate disaster. The bourg knows this which is why they are investing heavily in ai, robotics and etc.
They know that the current model of consumption can not work. They know that a lot of humans will die during the future climate apocalypse. They know that at this point nothing will stop this climate apocalypse except for massive degrowth or magical technological inventions. Things which the bourg don't want to do or are just magical in nature
So their solution is to just let people die off. Cull or let the population die off to more sustainable levels. Let the apocalypse happen and then rule the remains. There's a reason why they are building bunkers and buying land.
Thus after this situation you will get a massively reduced humanity and a few mega corporations running everything. (well unless china saves us)

>Yes. But at the end of the day production is carried on for human consumption. If you get rid of the humans, the production has no purpose.

Thats why you keep only a few humans around. As long as theres a few humans (the corporate ceos) and the (mantinence workers) production still has a purpose. Except instead of being for the mass of humanity its now mainly for the pleasure of future techno feudalists.

>>28764
I think such a plan will backfire but I suppose it doesn't matter. Only time can tell.

>>28765
>Only time can tell.
aye we live in interesting times
(WHY THE FUCK WASNT I BORN IN THE 1970s, ;-;. Im just a young adult. Why do i have to suffer even though im still young.)

>>28766
Youth is not automatic innocence nor freedom from suffering.
Young adults born in the 1970s had to deal with AIDS scare, the serial killer pandemic, the crack epidemic etc.

If anything, you should be lucky not to deal with that

>>28764
Birth rates are dropping already due to people not wanting kids.

>>28741
OP is a typical technophobic retard who thinks AI is magic parahuamn sentience that's gonna take over the world.

op with all the /x/-tier babble is still less annoying than artists complaining 24/7 about ai violating their copyright

>>28878
I rather deal with that, than deal with total climate collapse, techno feudalism, and civilizational self implosion

>>28889
>techno feudalism, and civilizational self implosion
problems only jobless idiots could care about

>>28761
>>28760
No, "AI" (it is not actually AI) is the problem. It is an incredibly stupid implementation of technology that primarily serves the purpose of attracting investor funding. The algorithms are basically brute-forcing a statistical approximation of what people ask for, and wasting a fucking huge amount of electricity for the sake of novelty. There's nothing luddite about recognizing a fucking con that is vastly more wasteful than other ways of doing something. Porky just likes AI because it fulfills the fantasy of capitalism without workers, even though it still requires input data (produced by workers) and massive amounts of servers and electricity (also produced by workers). You are not combating ludditism. You are engaging in magical thinking and ignoring the material reality of how the technology works and why it's being adopted in the present social context.

>>28891
people talk about all "AI" like it's just generative AI and LLMs

>>28891
>Porky just likes AI because it fulfills the fantasy of capitalism without workers
never denied that
>even though it still requires input data (produced by workers)
I know
>and massive amounts of servers and electricity (also produced by workers).
I know
>You are not combating ludditism.
ok but people make threads that are just "AI bad" but they have no real plan to combat it. they just wanna bitch and go back to the before times.
>You are engaging in magical thinking
where did I do that? All I did was post a Marx quote and now you're seething.
>and ignoring the material reality of how the technology works
I know the material reality of how the technology works. I had my actual job from 10 years ago replaced by it already. I won't elaborate because I don't want to doxx myself. I work in a hyper specific industry but trust me, it's not just statistical noise and wastes of electricity. There's more to it. And yes, it still requires lots of labor power to produce and maintain, but it's also saving a lot of people a lot of time.
>and why it's being adopted in the present social context.
I'm more than aware of why it's being adopted since I already lost my job to it once lol. Luckily I was able to move horizontally.