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Can someone explain to me why the left overwhelmingly seems against AI? Isn't that a necessary component to a post-scarcity society? I understand the technology can be used by the wrong people but that shouldn't be a reason to hate the technology itself.

AI is shit, but the hystetia around it is driven by "leftist" petite bourgeois artisans and libs, who want to expand IP law to protect the small producer from the corporation

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>the left
who's that
>overwhelmingly
did you take a poll or something
>post-scarcity
we already have that. they put half the food in dumpsters and lock them to keep the prices artificially high.
>technology can be used by the wrong people
will be
>shouldn't be a reason to hate
yeah marx talks about this in capital volume 1
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch15.htm#S5

Mods will move this to >>>/tech/ probably

>>29757
The current technology being push is not AI in the traditional sense of the term. It's chatbots that have gotten "sophisticated" enough due to brute forcing them with huge volumes of data that they can talk or do other things kind of convincingly. The hate is a combination of the output being trash, the big promises being used as an excuse to cut workforces, and the heavy energy requirements being bad for the environment and electrical grid.

>>29758
>AI is shit
nobody is even specific when talking about what they mean by this. Usually they mean LLMs, generative slop, etc. Nearly all the things that the term "AI" used to refer to now no longer get called "AI" .

I work for an engineering firm that saves itself a lot of spreadsheet monkey work using "AI" and it has nothing to do with generating big anime tiddies jpegs

a rare case of leftists hating "current thing"

because leftypol is petty bourgeois

>>29757
It's only hated by radical liberals who will say "AI art is unethical, support artists" and "trans rights are human rights" in the same breath as "why yes, I gave 10k to the Freikorps batallion, why do you ask? Are you a totalitarian tankie that doesn't support wholesome Ukraine?".(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

The only country that is using AI in a non exploitive, trivial way is China.

>>29763
Your mother was a petit-porky last night. She squeeled like a pig.

>>29764
painted another monster in your head award

>>29767
Bluesky and its users exist

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I can't wait for powerful AI to be widely introduced into medical diagnosis, radiology assessments, lab tests, and more. AI and IT networks might finally help improve the healthcare system, which has been a toxic train wreck under neoliberalism and capitalism for the past 25 years. AI obviously has a lot of positive potential for patients, doctors, and nurses. Liberals and reactionaries will do their best though to ensure that only the rich upper class benefits, rather than everyone, including ordinary workers. Qtard lolbert chvds will probably lose their shit again about the dangers of AI improving healthcare for muh freedums (dangers and malfunctions should be considered, particularly under capitalism, no doubt, however lolberts actually protested against IRF measures to contain a fucking deadly plague too which was the dumbest thing to do ever) while socialism with Chinese characteristics has another opportunity to improve health, life expectancy and average living standard.

>>29766
squealed in horror as she saw me plowing your mom
your dad's small pitiful business isn't doing it for her anymore

>>29761
>I work for an engineering firm that saves itself a lot of spreadsheet monkey work using "AI"
Oh great I can't wait for the fucking bridges to start collapsing. Fuck you, you are infinitely more fucked up than people making shitty hentai pics. You are literally going to get people killed.

>>29757
Reactionary attidues caused by material interest or just hysterical fear of anything progressive. These people should forced to dig canals with shovels instead of using machines. Nothing fixes reactionary attitudes better than manual labor.

>>29771
I have nothing to do with bridges or buildings. I stayed vague on purpose but since you feel like accusing me of literally killing people rest assured that none of the data we produce is actually used to make life or death decisions. Also I don't actually run my firm, I just work here. They started doing the AI shit years after I started working here.

My point stands: People just complain about "AI" without understanding it or being specific. You don't even know what I do but you're SOOOOOOOO sure of yourself that I'm murdering people (I don't even code).

watch through this playlist

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDNU6R1_67000Dx_ZCJB-3pi

>>29769
>I can't wait for powerful AI to be widely introduced into medical diagnosis, radiology assessments, lab tests, and more.
It's kind of already the case in many countries, for example no more need for a tired intern with a marker to go trough thousands of MRI slices to circle the tumors, they trained algorithms to do it in an instant with more accuracy, and that years back.
You're naive if you think that will make healthcare just better however, in the capitalist system it's just another way to make it more profitable or less costly by taking humans out of a service that very much benefits from having humans in the loop. "But china" yeah in China medical fees can be expensive, as in poor folks sometimes need to sell their house to pay for their cancer treatment so they're really not an example on that end, it would be better to look at France where it's free or Japan where they have an adequate amount of personnel and rooms to get an idea of how a healthcare system for the masses should function.

Neo-Luddite here

It's not that we have some kind of mystical hatred for new technology, we hate the social application of the technology, which, just like introduction of weaving technology to the English midlands three centuries ago, is being used as an excuse to impoverish workers.

>>29774
>China medical fees can be expensive, as in poor folks sometimes need to sell their house to pay for their cancer treatment
Fake news. Healthcare is Communist in China.

>>29776
get a job and healthcare is privatized in china, it's very similar to the US system

>>29777
Utterly wrong. Healthcare is Communist in China. Capitalost healthcare system produces no value. Capitalist healthcare system produce no value. Capitalist healthcare systems are dozens of times more bloated and costly. Healthcare in AmeriKKKa is 35% of GDP. Healthcare is 7% GDP Communist China. China healthcare system is Communist. In China, capitalism is abolished.

>>29778
get a job

>>29760
This.

>>29774
AI for diagnostics and medical networking isn't widely implemented yet and where it is implemented it's still early stage tech. Cancer treatment is included in public healthcare services in France, Sweden, Germany et al. but healthcare in all EU countries has been massively degraded by neoliberal "reforms". Patients in Europe face the same problems everywhere e.g. insanely long waiting times. AI will not improve the now abysmal structure of national healthcare systems inside the EU (which are likely going to resemble american standards or worse in the future thanks to private insurance corporations, private hospitals and doctor's associations lobbying against public healthcare), because under capitalism this is dependent on decisions made by politicians and porky interests, however AI might help patients because it can process large amounts of data, provide better diagnostics than humans, recommend better treatments and reduce workloads for doctors and nurses.

>>29779
What should i infiltrate

>>29782
the national guard and cause a insurrection

>>29757
We are already in a post scarcity society. Current AI is a tool used by Capitalists to feed our culture back to us, and you've drunk their kool aid if you think the AI of the future (which isn't necessarily bad) will share any characteristics of current models. And I don't mean this in a "hah, those weight brothers are fools, man won't fly for another million years way", I mean it in a "that dude is a looney, you can't fly by gluing feathers to yourself" kind of way.

>>29790
>We are already in a post scarcity society.
Suppose it's not your main point, but what does this mean for you?

"AI" is a stupid name for what these systems do. it's not intelligent in any sense of the word. what they really do is statistics. in other words, regression. it gets a lot of money because it has a nice metaphor. like "genetic algorithms" which are almost always the wrong approach to any optimization problem

>>29791
read chapter 3 of "Fascism and Social Revolution" by Rajani Palme Dutt, particularly the section titled "destruction of the productive forces" and tell me that we don't already live in a post scarcity society. The "scarcity" is mostly artificial, especially when it comes to means of subsistence i.e. food.

>>29775
>It's not that we have some kind of mystical hatred for new technology, we hate the social application of the technology
ok then you're not actually a luddite, stop using that word to describe yourself

>>29795
Listened to the suggested section, at the provided embed.
So artificial scarcity by cartels and government intervention.
There's also of course planned obsolescence and copyright.

If there is for some reason overproduction in a planned economy.
Suppose there would be less because the business cycle ends.
And if firms are allocated resources on the basis of their ability to produce,
Wouldn't this still occur, the government would intervene to reduce product.
This is to bail out the firms, without making them "reliant" on new subsidies?

Suppose don't see how post-scarcity is possible in a capitalist economy.
If you've got rationing like DPRK or (recent) Cuba for means of subsistence.
Then you would be post-scarcity in these areas.

As a counter argument, perhaps closer to what you're attempting to argue.
Even in the US by providing access to cell-phones, food, medicine, and housing.
You you might be post-scarcity in the means of subsistence (give or take a little).
Even despite all the planned obsolescent, rent seeking, and cartels.

My understanding of this is not very strong.

>>29797
>Even in the US by providing access to cell-phones, food, medicine, and housing.
No, this doesn't work there are still scarcity issues with all of these things in the US.

I find the fact that this same thread topic keeps popping up over and over with OP always having the exact same opinion very suspicious.

>>29800
Most of the AI threads are negative and/or express something different don't they?

>>29801
Not recently (post-4chan shutdown).

It is oversold and used in use cases it is a bad fit for. A good example would be AI upscaling where instead of artifacts from algorithmic upscaling, the visuals dive right into the uncanny valley even with professional AI upscale jobs like the Aliens 4k upscale where mouths melt in and out of existence as the AI slaps on body parts on objects it can identify.

>>29757
I hate AI because…

>Capitalism leads to layoffs whenever they can replace real workers with AI or robots. But the capitalistic system is not going anywhere because of AI or robots.
>Some people are too reliant on it and they can't think independently. Too many mistakenly think that AI doesn't have biases
>LLMs can be used to generate spam or disinfo.
>According to some studies, LLMs can be more persuasive than many people realize, even thought it could hallucinate wrong or inaccurate things.


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