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/AKM/ - Guns, weapons and the art of war.

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 No.1305

Ok, I'm going to make the dreaded question.
Could normal size mechas (like, 1.5 storey tall) be actually viable in warfare?

 No.1306

>>1305
No
They’re easy as shit to see, easy to down with ordinary artillery, aircraft and drones and perform l the same functions tanks do but worse
It’s not that they can’t be built it’s that they’re fundamentally worthless in combat.

 No.1307

>>1306
>>1305
Two more important reasons
They’re bipedal meaning if you took down even one of the legs they’d fall instantly and become effectively fucking worthless to the pilot
Again they’re bipedal which means they’ll consume far more energy than wheeled or winged transport simply because they constantly need a force to move their legs since the force of rotation or gliding can’t just substitute in whenever the pilots foot is off the pedal

 No.1308

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To an extent but not really, Gundam explored that, having them face off against tanks. The primary practical use of big mecha have are
A) In space
B) Against kaiju (there's an interesting analysis by an artillery guy I read a couple years ago about using artillery against Kaiju - in the case of Pacific Rim - and he explained the inadvisability of massed artillery as a tactic).
C) Large powered combat exoskeletons
None are really relevant at the moment. Explore the "mech" thread on /anime/ for more on that.

 No.1311

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>>1305
No, just no. The big reason is that in terms of engineering, standing is one of the worst things you can ever do since we might not notice it cause our legs are automated by our brains for our own sanity, but it requires thousands of minute adjustments a second to constantly balance, account for inertia etc. In practice this would mean a fucking giant gyroscope which would take up a massive amount of space, energy and expense along with the motors, wiring, plating for the legs all for what would otherwise be accomplished by caterpillar treads or roadwheels, AKA you're wasting a lot on just being on par with existing systems while still retaining vunerabilities like exposed legs which can be knocked out from under you, whereas all that effort could go towards improving actual practical designs.
It's just a lot of effort for not a lot of gain, like what does it actually offer? Height? Flexibility? Not really since mech fingertips don't have nerves or hairs so they can't grip stuff like how you think they would and have a hand->trigger interface is just redundant when you could build it into the mech's systems proper which then makes it basically the same as any other armoured vehicle. Layers upon layers of redundancies.
>>1308
>In space
Even then not really, what benefit would a huminoid shape offer over say a sphere? Shape doesn't matter because there's no drag in space(I know technically there is but it's so minute it hardly matters) and the chassis can still can grip, maneuvers better, more efficient armour layout, more compact so smaller silhouette etc etc which is funny since those ball mechs in Gundam were considered hopelessly outclassed lol

 No.1331

>>1311
>what benefit would a huminoid shape offer over say a sphere?
mobility in terms of form, I'm not talking bout like a ship, but as a literal exoskeletal bot.
>Shape doesn't matter because there's no drag in space
That's the reason a humanoid form is viable in space, it can be as heavy and non-aerodynamic as it could be, but would be unrestricted in maneuverability.

 No.1333

>>1331
Bro we get it you like anime but just face facts
You will never pilot a real mecha
The design is stupid in conventional settings and it’s stupid in space compared to just using small and hard to hit probes that could detect and down anyone of your shitty bots in a single hit thousands of kilometres away

 No.1334

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>>1333
>yOu LiKe AnImE
Are you retarded or a faggot? Nevermind, I know that answer; you're both.
I literally point out in my first post in the thread that
"To an extent but not really" and explained the limited roles of a mecha IRL. It has nothing to do with "hurr u liek animu," and "fess de facks!"
>You will never pilot a real mecha
And? Are you 5 years old to be using literal /b/-tier "snide" remarks?
>just using small and hard to hit probes that could detect and down anyone of your shitty bots in a single hit thousands of kilometres away
Clearly you have a 'probe' with (in) you at the moment, given how hard you're over exaggerating their capability.

 No.1337

>>1334
Ahaha triggered mechangger can’t handle the reality his precious retarded robots turned out to be retarded ahahahahah

 No.1338

>>1337
Go back to school /b/tard

 No.1340

>>1338
You clearly need to be the one to be reviewing kinematics and designing
That other anon said it himself, walking and standing is a far more complicated and needlessly painful effort to design for any machine than to simply roll glide and fly. Not to mention having giant mechs in combat is a large ass target for anyone on earth to simply see and strike at, and for the space probes think of it this way

What’s harder to design
A sphere containing a beam or missile that can be produced on an industrial scale and doesn’t require a pilot to be controlled
Or a bipedal exosuit hard to mass produce that likely needs a pilot trained for years while having to be equipped with the same weapons while only having a chance of hitting its target with limited range

 No.1344

>>1340
Yugo-anon actually understands the shit they are talking about, you are just repeating reddit-tier "arguments" and ignoring the point made utterly. People have made entire essays addressing your "points", but there's not point posting them, since you're not reading.

 No.1346

>>1344
Speak for yourself fag
If mechs were conventional they would’ve been built ages ago

 No.1353

>>1346
>If mechs were conventional
more goalpost shifting

 No.1355

>>1353
Then pick one concept you fucking want you fucking faggot
Either these machines are actually useful to you or they’re wishfulment that amount to actual garbage in any real setting

 No.1357

>>1355
>pick one concept
I'm not the one jumping to conclusions and arguing against scarecrows
>Either these machines are actually useful to you or they’re wishfulment
Go back to school and learn to stop speedreading

 No.1367

I think they could work in urban combat.
Better than a Tank, I think.

 No.1368

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>>1311
reminds me of the bathysphere

 No.1379

>>1368
cool and eerie, that shit is terrifying

 No.1436

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Ok but what about aeromorphs

 No.1437

>>1436
This shit is disturbing.

 No.1506

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>>1437
Do you feel uncomfortable anon-kun?

 No.1636

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post yfw china makes mechs real

 No.1637

Seems extremely impractical. Realistically if there was a move away from wheels instead you would see crab like designs rather than bipedal humanoid designs due to their maneuverability.


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