>>2534>some fantasy comparison where real-world factors such as cost are not taken into comparison Never said the opposite, but cost isn't a reason a platform is shit, since platform is a technical aspect.
>Suppressors matter on assault rifles especially in night operations. Firing signature matters And suppressors on real AKs are better than commercial products. This isn't an issue of the platform but of commercial production
>Russia switched to a 5.56-like round (5.45) over the 7.62 Because of doctrinal changes - wounds over penetrative stopping power
>they dumped hundreds of millions of rubles into making the switch over. Millions? Only if you're including the production of AK-74s over time. The actual bullet and redesigning the AK-74 platform didn't even hit a million rubles. And 7.62 continues to get used for different missions.
>What kind of bullet isn't designed "specifically to cause maximum damage" The 5.45 is designed to tumble and remain in the body causing heavier internal damage and wound signature, the 7.62 focused on penetrative and stopping power.
>you claiming it heats the barrel less and thus causes less dispersion after long strings of fire <that it is flatter-shootingBoth, speedreading moron. The 5.45 has smaller recoil and due to the design and higher pressure, is easier to aim and fire at full and semi-auto without losing as much accuracy compared to the heavier and less precise AK-47.
>E-engrishBack to 4/k/ faggot. If you don't understand English that's on you.
>shift the grip You don't have to shift the fucking grip is my fucking point, that's just you not being used to moving your fingers in that way because you're used to the AR platform.
>Now try to get that anywhere <implying mil-spec 5.56 is easy to get. Again you're goal-post shifting. Your blanket statements imply not only commercial but military production.
>Still an afterthought No retard
>hack Meaningless ad hom, next
>has all the flaws I just mentioned No it doesn't. The side mount isn't significantly heavier or disruptive to use.
>an optic mounted on an AK may need to be re-zerod every time you clean the gun<dust coverYou can remove the dust cover just fine even if the optic is on, you just slide it off and expose the innards. Cleaning an AK in combat/during use is also fucking hilarious, since you're not going to be doing that, any more than an AR. I'm not even talking about the delicate effort of cleaning an AR, something that your image is demonstrating. If you're cleaning an AR on the spot like that you're not going to have a mounting to do it on and the optic may need to be rezeroed again regardless. Your point is moot.
>AK's don't have a bolt release so you must charge the weapon every time you reloadNo they don't, I've seen someone reload an AK multiple times and they didn't need to charge the handle if they do the reload correctly.
>as if there's only one size of AR magazineYou speedreading fucktard you literally greened my post and didn't actually read it. The normal AR mag is 20 rounds, the 30 round mag is 35% the length of the 20 round mag and is more unwieldy.
>why would a larger mag force you to reload moreAgain you don't read, funny from someone mocking me for speaking "Engrish". I said a smaller mag makes you reload more.
>AR's can also be taken apart rapidly Not that fast and it requires a long time to do so proficiently. An AK can literally be taken apart and put back together by school children.
> field stripping a gun fast is pointless masturbation No it isn't, there's a reason the military teaches this in every country.
>either way you're losing your sight picture and strong-hand control of the weapon No you're not, One handholds up the front, the stock in the shoulder keeps the rear stable, you pull the handle, and hand drops back to ready position by the trigger, done.
>it's not as easy or fast as hitting the mag release, slapping a new mag in, and hitting the bolt release. It's still very easy and barely slower in any significant manner.
>hilarious to act like reload speed doesn't matter but field stripping speed does <Lets ignore that I brought up stripping and cleaning in the first place regarding optics My point is that if you can take your gun apart faster and put it back together (including inserting the mag) then the design isn't inferior.
>Gun need bullet to shoot. If shooter slow to put new magazine in, not be able to shoot gun. Grug understandGrug, mirror is you, I over here, understand? U No Hav Argument Grug, talking to mirror-Grug
>You've done nothing but try and claim that issues with the AK aren't as bad as stated Because half your "issues" are one sided and opinionated, and the others are practically non-issues based on your preference of button-releases.
>you have no counter argument towards the AR Because I'm not here to bash the AR, like you're clearly doing for the AK, asshole
>If it's worse for no advantage in another area Not what I said nor have you proven.
>You haven't countered a single of my "modular" points you haven't presented very many. The closest to a valid actual concern is the side-mounts but even those are barely a problem considering the lack of need and the fact that it functions for anyone.
>you didn't counter that I did, you speedread
>you admitted that and said it didn't matterThe AK foregrip may have a tendency to heat up faster but its not significant because it takes at least a hundred rounds of continual fire to even BEGIN to make it so. If you fire an AR at the same rate of fire continually the foregrip also heats up, in the end tacticool shit like that doesn't actually take anything off either guns technical capabilities.
>I said it was worse for supression, you claimed suppression didn't matter. No I said suppression, just like most of your criteria doesn't mean the platform is bad. Moreover I stated outright that your claim about AK suppression is fucking wrong and armchair analyst-tier bullshit.
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<supressionIt's suppression you fucktard, yet another "Engrish" mistake?
>You stye of argumentation<stye And again LMAO. You really had the gall to call my English bad? Don't try to be a grammar nazi if you misspell things, because you're going to get the exact same treatment.
>concede my points while coping that those features don't matter.<C-copeBack to 4chan you goal-post shifting faggot. Your posts had grains of truth that I agreed to, but you used them to create a false narrative.
>I suppose the only relevant feature on a rifle to you is how quickly a schoolchild can field strip it on a table. LMAO nice manipulation there bud.
Literally everything you said here could easily be remedied by changing the argument to "Commercial AK furnishings are bad" Often that is true, but that is not the same thing as a PLATFORM or the actual weapon design, you lumping idiot.
>that's the only position that matters because the US is one of the few places you will be able to choose between the two Then why lump it all under a PLATFORM you dullard?
>no point comparing them if you don't have a choice to inform with that comparison There is a point because not everyone here is a burgerfaggot. Not to mention your milspec mentions and broad-stroke argumentation that doesn't actually say much.