One Piece is leftist
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Eiichiro Oda Is absolutely a socialist
>>18248The plot is about a government conspiracy doing historical revisionism and covering up all sorts of exploitation and genocide. The fismen used to be a slave race and presently live under an apartheid. One of the heroic groups are a revolutionary army, and all the heroic Marines are heroic because they defy orders. There's an aristocratic ruling class that kills for fun with impunity. Franky literally tells Robin "no person is illegal" just in different words.
One Piece is broadly Leftist. I doubt he's ever read Marx however, and it's a children's comic book series after all.
>>25567>Shanks is HIMHe's a Finnish Gothic Rock Band?
>>1732I wonder if oda just had those ideas inheritly as a child
Like making the world better, and then that crystilied into a coherent actual idiology in his work.
>>26063artists rarely
conciously make ideological statements in their art. always when commentators say that "x art is y ideology or politics" they're just telling you what they projected onto the art. which is fine and can be worth listening to.
>>26064>artists rarely conciously make ideological statements in their art.>rarelyNot really, it's pretty common for artists to be trying to convey a political message. It's also common for them not to be doing that, but for their ideology to still end up in the work because it affects how they think about things, including how people (characters) behave and "how the world works."
>>26064I wouldn't say that One Piece is particularly concrete in its politics but it's pretty fucking explicit and consciously done. Unambiguously heroic characters like Luffy or Whitebeard repeatedly give speeches that it's hard to imagine aren't just Oda's opinions, considering the context in which they occur, as the capstone to a particular arc where it culminates and sums up the themes he was building. Artists aren't
necessarily intentional propagandists, but they're not stupid. And the most basic point One Piece is trying to get across is the importance of believing in something greater than yourself. It's hard to see how it's not Oda's intention to inspire people and give them at least some kind of framework for grappling with politics.
>>26381Also, independent of Oda himself AFAIK the Fan Letter animation Toei recently did is kind of beating you over the head that the Straw Hats are not just toppling tyrants but inspiring the people a la propaganda of the deed. Which is pretty relevant at this particular moment.
I finally caught up on the anime. Should I read the manga to catch up, or just enjoy the freedom from a 1122 episode long prison?
>>1732The nika thing destroys the themes though
It makes so human/character actions are not their own but fate
Which destroy a political interpretation of it
>>26688I disagree. I think it works because devil fruits appear based on human desire and Nika appears when he is desired by humanity.
i'm reading the fishman island arc rn and it's pissing me off that the stupid japanese cartoon gag trope of perverts (sanji) getting huge nosebleeds is actually being taken seriously as a plot point to move the story along
>>26946quality takes a nosedive after the timeskip, I find it insane that OP became insanely popular just as soon as it became absolute shit, yet when it was a top 3 battle shonen ever nobody outside japan gave a fuck about it
mid as fuck
It's overrated but still pretty good. The best of it is before the time skip.
Top 3 battle shonen ever if we pretend there was never a timeskip, mid leaning to bad if we acknowledge reality.
Too long. Not very good but way above average compared to other titles in the magazine. I could go on about this but I'm burned out of talking about One Piece.
It's real.
's peak.
>>27921crap.
Was alright before timeskip
Everything shit since then
Luffy being some mythical Sun God is the worst. Oda is repeating Kishimoto's mistakes
>>28190meh, sun god uygha is more or less fiction in the world anyway, it's been show many times in one piece people calling things gods or godly beings yet it was all human myth and legend, the history in the mural of the three worlds on elbaf shows that.
>>28192one piece is boring sloppy garbage
One piece fans are all retards
>>28218>Ad Sloppiumtry harder.
>>1794>the thread is full of retards who think the celestial dragons represent jews<world government of slave owning failsons sounds like white people to me 🤷♀️
uniroinically yes it is.
Luffy's actions never really made sense to me as a child, I thought it was like
>oh haha he's like an absurd hero
but no, I legit do think that One piece is probably the biggest piece of fiction that is left wing
>the show focuses on wanted criminals of the current state
>the MC is someone who yearns to be the pirate king not because it brings him riches but because it brings him the most power to be free
>the show is constantly about how luffy's anarchist actions free the oppressed peoples of the grand line
>every major villian are authoritarians, capitalists, or state military men.
Wait, Blackbeard is Rocks' son?
luffy and the straw hats have restored like 5 monarchies at this point
>>28779Sorry chud, but
The World Government is historically progressive.
Fishmen slavery was historically progressive.
Baroque Works was historically progressive.
Doflamingo's SMILE production was historically progressive.
Kaido's occupation of Wano was historically progressive.
>>29105The only meaningful opposition to Ishiba, most people that were calling for him to resign, are in the Sanae Takaichi camp. Takaichi is a complete freakshow right winger, who will probably try to work out some coalition with the Sanseito. Ishiba on the other hand was perhaps the most centrist centrist that ever tried centrism: it's no surprise that he's unpopular but him being threatened by Koizumi to resign is just the LDP once sacrificing the current head to play some sort or hot potato instead of actually trying to admit fault as a party.
>>29110this is regarding 2002 when Eiichiro Oda commented on support towards the LDP Koizumi administration, which is surprising, cause that admin was one of the first to support the war on terror and anti-china hysteria was rampant with yasukuni shrine visits having far more impact than they do nowadays
>>30021Looks like a naruto character
>>30027Despite looking weird and being comedic Ivankov and his queers never get disrespected oddly enough.
>>30032"they're weird & goofy but that's part of what makes em cool fun people to be around" is likely just how Oda views the IRL friends that inspired the characters and he didn't think deeply about it, but it's also more down-to-earth in regards to how most people will view turbo-flamboyant gay men that aren't traditionally attractive or pass as women & how they'd begin to respect them (and it's not like over-the-top drag queens aren't aware they look weird; that's often the point)
if he tried to portray them the exact same way he does traditionally attractive men & women & implied through visuals "this is actually the same thing, beauty is in the eye of the beholder" & didn't caricature them at all you'd have a lot more "oh come on" responses from general audiences
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