One Piece is leftist
>>1732One Piece is libertarian, although left leaning. It's big focus is pursuing your dream no matter what and in defiance of authority. If there is any central ideology I can discern its Egoism.
PS Yay, Finally a One Piece Thread!
>>1738Ah I didn't catch that, but thanks for letting me know. That's pretty based of Oda, though communism as understood by Japan is pretty light and soc-dem like, ain't it?
At any rate, let's post some inspiring One Piece stuff. I've been meaning to talk about it in a leftist space for a long ass while.
>>1742Even if they're making the Revolutionary Army a bit faggy, keep in mind that all the "good kings" were not actual royal families that ruled over those countries from the start.
The Celestial Dragons were the actual kings of all the world's kingdoms before they moved to that heaven of theirs as seen with Doflamingo and Dressrosa
>>1749Alabasta had a literal revolution when shit got bad after Crocodile's manipulations. The Revolutionaries could have removed Nefertiti but chose not to upon the truth being revealed, thus showing that the people in the case of Alabasta could do so.
>DressrosaOriginal rulers WERE Doflamingo who BECAME Celestial Dragons, before one of them lowered back to humanity and the last living member of that line took over Dressrosa from a different line of kings who were of the people.
>Fishman Island is it's own thingIt is a kingdom regardless, but the king is sort-of elected and they seem to have protest movements and such.
All three of these kingdoms have people clearly ready to overthrow improper government but have kind kings. At the same time such kings are the exception among kingdoms. Making the whole 'good king' thing a liberal backtrack.
>>1755it doesn't have anything to do with him. He just happens to look like One Piece Che Guevara, now he's in Japan jail.
Oda's got a Che poster hanging up in his office, I've said it before in this thread but I found the picture and it's neat to see. His office has a lot of weird bullshit though so it could be a random visual flare type of thing.
>>1760I literally just got into the story and I can't get beyond dressrosa. There's so much to unpack, especially for a noobie I can't believe I made it this far. Not to mention apperently funimation has been doing a fucking chapter by chapter adaptation of the anime rather than skipping some parts which has made shit just drawn WAY the fuck out. Like long ring long island.
I want to return too it and finish it and be there for the 1k episode, but, god damn.
>>1761Please read the manga instead, not only is it faster but the art is a lot better and the anime literally RUINS scenes. Take for example, since you've watched up to Fishman Island I'll list a good example from that. The anime adds in a scene of Hody Jones and his band of fucks getting fucked with by adult pirates as babies, to set up them as idolizing Arlong when he saves them. This scene isn't in the manga, and for good reason. At the end of the arc, Hody says his hate for humans isn't based off of ANYTHING in particular, he's simply a byproduct of the generation before him hating humans. This is a very poignant part of the whole arc that's just ruined through the anime trying to add in more filler for time. Most of the time the filler is bad non-cannon additions to the fights, but there's stuff that's reprehensible.
Please consider the manga if you revisit this series again, it really shines as a manga first artistically anyway.
>>1764I do, it's been terrible for nearly a decade or so, but I do.
>>1766S'all good comrade, was just letting ya know. Shame the anime adaption is as bad as it is, Dressrosa is a slog even in the manga IMO so I don't blame anime onlys getting tired from it.
>>1768That's a very fair point. I haven't really felt like 4chan's been fun since 2008 or so. I was a majority /co/ poster too, so it was just generally less of the /pol/ nightmare that the rest of the board was slowly becoming.
Actually, for any other 4chanons in this thread, remember how bad the /a/ op threads were from around the turn of the decade? It was to the point that you'd see a lot of refugee threads on /co/ or /v/ for that reason alone.
>>1778I like all the strawhats he just annoys me more than the others.
Him being kind and cooking food for whomever is always gonna be the best Sanji. Feeding the hungry is very noble.
>>1732>One PiecePeople with basic bitch taste will be put to the gulag
>>1737>Oda has communist sympathies because he's got che guevara hanging up in his office and the fact that the revolutionaries exist in his story.Pics or it didn't happened
>>1783All you had to do was scroll homie.
>>1756 Also, fuck you.
>>1787Japan historic and modern.
1) Industrialization is seen as bad because it is used to exploit the people and brings terrible living conditions
2) Instead of a proper feudal monarchy, the state is ruled by a "monarch" who is really more of a figurehead as part of a business and has international power (Orochi deals with World Government officials like an equal) which is similar to a corporate monopoly working with a national government
3) lastly Oden was a 'disgrace' because he lived freely and did not care for how others saw him, breaking the mold of uptight Wano citizens.
All these feel like callbacks to moments in Japanese history.
>>1790>Theres a /pol/ presence there.No shit
>in the 4/a/ thread got madscreencaps?
>got mad and shitpostingFucking why? The guy is the definition of a hedonistic libertarian in terms of behaviour. He's just a libertarian with a sense of empathy.
>>1797LOL the most predictabl twist ever and /a/ just realized?
>he's a cuckFucking how? He has no way of killing Orochi who, along with Kaidou, fights dirty. He was putting his people ahead of himself.
>>1798They just like playing up bad stuff they don't get contextually because being a part of the "outrage" is fun. If you meme "One Piece is bad now" eventually it just becomes popular opinion.
Anyways in regards to Oden, everyone's saying that he should've just called Roger or Whitebeard to help him with Kaidou. Forgetting multiple facts like how Roger is dead at this point and that Wano's Den Den Mushi only have the limited range of the island. Even the "Kaidou is a kidnapper" complaint is dumb when you consider he's a pirate through and through, pretty much a barbarian, and we've seen him all throughout the arc trying to brainwash people under him, so the narrative of "why isn't Kaidou just wrecking everything" they're spinning is objectively dumb.
>>1732O relly??
Name one pro communist episode???
>>1759>the cop Bro what the fuck is wrong with Kochikame??,
SOMEONE TELL ME
WHEN DID RYOTSU GET CANCELED. HE JUST BE EATING RAMEN AND FIGHTING WITH CHILDREN ABOUT TOYS INSTEAD OF BEING A CAWP
Still don't understand how One Piece is a left-anarchist manga
>>1821>hobby-communismwhat do that be? your link is broken
>>2291not only do I miss it, but Oda now likes to use a similar rendering for people with regular noses when they face frontwards. It makes Robin look less unique, sucks. He also doesn't really connect Robin's nose with the bridge of her eyebrows anymore. She's been moe-ized.
>>1967>>2053What's weird but kind of interesting to me is that Luffy respects Yamato's pronouns by calling him "mountain-guy".
>>2317Dressrossa, actually (at least after you get through the first half of it) was a really good and captivating arch, in and of itself.
But yeah, Jesus Christ, the anime just drags it on for EVER. I watched at least 30 episodes at x2 speed.
>>2728Ok, you're welcome to your opinion
>>2729This, fucking this. I know radlib "anarchists" who like One Piece over Bleach or Naruto, not because of narrative or story-telling merits, or characters, but because "it's anarchsit and so leftist!"… because ideology somehow makes something a better story.
>>3832>posting this pseud shit<saging
stay mad
>>3878>saging because he doesn't want to get a reply<U-u don't know what sage ees!!
You are a pseud, your denial does nothing to prove otherwise.
>unironically like<Hurr if you enjoy something for silly fun ur stoopid
>Wan PissFor someone supposedly 'above' "muh shonen", you sure get assblasted over it and people who enjoy it.
STAY MAD wannabe hipster
>>4596Eugh what do you hope to accomplish by sperging out whenever someone uses sage?
You must be THE most autistic poster I've seen here.
>>4631>hurr you hate sageposters<ignores that I literally used sage as it's supposed to be
You're a fucking moron and the hilarious gall of someone replying to a post that is done and over-with is far more pathetic and 'autistic'.
>>4631Just as a side note. I don't care about sage itself. I use it all the time when it's actually applicable. What I dislike faggots shitting up the threads with;
"hurr why is this board/anime/thread so shit" (I recall about 5 of these posts)
"Hurr animu Cory in the house haha" (2)
"Hurr shounen is shit" (6, this is inspite of the literal Naruto/DBZ hate thread MADE for this kind of commentary)
"hurr any mention of social media or youtube in any way is Muh ecelebs" (5)
Almost without any variation these samefag saged spamposts are made week after week. The mods recently deleted over 15 posts of this crap from the Tanya thread alone because that's how many posts were nothing but sage-spam talking about this crap and derailing the thread (like you are doing). And when it's pointed out "hey, just hide and ignore, stop shitting up threads and using sage as a reddit downvote" they scream reddit.
Now fuck off and post something relevant to the thread.
>>4635>saging a thread at the top of the catalog is totally reddit!!!LO fucking L
>>4634You're not as clever as you think yourself to be. Different people don't make the same fucking posts over and over again.
Post something relevant to the thread or GTFO and stop derailing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFaH7Q5UfnU&lcJust imagine this:
You are an elite navy soldier, proven yourself in many battles, maybe even in the New World. Your strength and speed is low level superhuman, far stronger than regular humans even dream of becoming. Maybe you even show enough potential that your officers started training you in Haki or Rokushiki. Anyway, you are among the 100.000 best of the Navy, chosen to fight in a war against one of the World Governments greatest enemies. Your skill and speed have so far kept you unharmed in this monumental battle. You are rather close to Whitebeard himself. A truly frightening foe, several times a normal humans size, unbelievable strength and one of the most powerful devil fruits of all. In a world, with Giants, Hybrids, Fishman, mink & So many unknown types of people, and among them he's holding the title "THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD"; A walking, living legend. But he is old, sick and injured. Sengoku gives the order to finish him. This is the chance to prove yourself! You and your comrades have stood against unbearable odds before! Together you can surely beat the monster! Together you charge at him. Some of you stab Whitebeard, one fires a bazooka directly into his face. He starts to fall! Then, suddenly he straightens back up. His voice like an angry roaring thunder as he reminds you who he is. He takes one big swing with his giant blade. Doesn't even use his feared devil fruit ability, just the strength of his arm. A gust of wind, a huge shockwave rips your body from the ground. There is dust and rubble everywhere, you can't see anything, you just feel that you have absolutely no control over your body anymore. The dust clears and you realize that you are suddenly hundreds of meters above the ground, falling to certain death.
How frightening that must be.
>>5451Horee fuck, dats some vack shit!
Honestly every time I see Kiwifarms post about anything tangentially related to leftism, they have huge circlejerks about how evul communism is. It's /pol/ 2.0
>>7754The more it goes on,the more you notice the lows of it,and the more opportunities for Oda to fuck up,so on average,it became worse.
DO NOT watch the anime tho,I don't care that the music and the voice acting is good,the pacing is so bad it makes you wonder why you're even bothering.
>>7802yeah, this, also there are so many jokes you can do with the same 1-dimensional archetypical characters – nowadays it's just a pirate-themed Groundhog Day
btw I'm anime-only but I just jump 10-60sec, sometimes finishing an episode in a couple of minutes
>>7754Trash in what sense?
One Piece is about wild moments, weird powers and creatures and corny shit about friendship and determination. And I think it's pretty funny.
It's never been good at pacing, or subtlety, or nuance, or maturity, or whatever else you expect from stuff that doesn't get labeled "trash". And it's very formulaic. Like another anon said, this stuff gets more noticeable and frequent the more it goes on, but it's always been there.
Point being, even at its best fighting shonen will only ever be cotton candy and it's never "well written", but as for whether it's actually gotten *worse*, I don't think so at all. I actually find Dressrosa easier to binge read than something like Skypiea because at least it feels like things are always moving somehow.
But if you wanna judge it entirely within its genre, there's probably a reason (beyond mere nostalgia) I still read One Piece but can't handle stuff like MHA or AoT or even Naruto. And honestly, I think it's that Oda just embraces how trashy it is. It's always very cartoonish and even the more "serious" moments tend to have some humor or ridiculousness to them.
And I make this point because I think it's easy to scoff at shonenfags who cream their pants over every minutely "hype" moment achieved by violating good taste and common sense, but One Piece seems different because it is very much aware of what it is without descending into outright cynical parody. This is one of the things the first Dragon Ball actually got right, so it's a big plus.
So it's trash, yes, in the best way, which still might not be enough for some people. That's fine.
And yes, I just wrote a whole reply to a post that's forty days old and I'm not even gonna bump the thread. Fuck you.
>>4801It comes with the Toy Island (movie 2 or 3 I think)
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHkE4Ik5BSY >>9121Unfortunately the only doujins that even remotely cover this potential are futa content, I don't know if any fanfics cover this.
>1) (C92) [Arsenothelus (Chinbotsu, Rebis)] Midare Saki Joshuu Kaizoku Soushuuhen | Bloom, Pirate Hooker! Bloom! Annual (One Piece) [English] (C92) [アルセノテリス (沈没、Rebis)] 乱れ咲き女囚海賊総集編 (ワンピース) [英訳] Nico Robin and Nami use the Hana Hana no mi to fuck (and later combine) and impregnate Princess Shirahoshi. Pic 1
>2) [Kouzu Shoukai (CAW=ZOO)] Futanari Robin VS Onna Kyojin Kaihei (One Piece) [English] [q91] [Digital] [高津娼会 (CAW=ZOO)] フタナリロビンVS女巨人海兵 (ワンピース) [英訳] [DL版] Nico Robin traps that female Giantess from the Marines and uses dick-inception while restraining and fucking her. Pic 2
>>7754I partially agree with
>>8727 so I'll summarize that Pre and Post Timeskip are sort of like 2 very different series, similar to how Naruto and Shippuden took differing directions. However it is largely true that Post TS is worse in many regards than Pre TS because it flanderizes the small issues that the Pre-TS story had and makes it boring. The anime has become worse than the manga in most regards, with DBZ tier pauses and discount supersaiyan fights, so compared to the more grounded yet silly adventure story that initially began, it's lost it's tempo.
>>9311what is this anime?
has this been going on longer than shin-chan, maruko-chan or kochikame?
>>9426i often wonder about these long running shows
how do they try to not repeat story lines
do they have an archive or some historian of their show to check up with?
>>9121 >>9124 Nami'd kill for a money making scheme like that - it's in her style, using temporary living ona-holes essentially to make money (and get pleasure) from places they stop at, while remaining squeaky clean herself.
Also on a less sexual note, the Strawhats could make a lot of money (and infamy) by selling clones of Nico Robin, to marines for bounties (in disguise) and then having them go *poof* leaving the marines having nothing.
I also got an idea about Robin making a clone that goes rogue and becomes a nymphomaniac, with the original one feeling everything that happens with the clone and having to hunt it down, before it messes everything up.
Anyone remember manga related?
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Jump_Super_Stars_(One-Shot) This kinda thing should have been made more often
>5 island aesthetics/adventures for One Piece https://archive.ph/8kZGn The Wild West Aspect is kinda covered by Monsters, but that's more in relation to a spinoff series than Luffy and Co.
The skyscraper aesthetic is covered by the GOLD film.
>>10461It really is. The adventures and genuinely heartfelt moments at the start got smushed even through there are plenty of adventures to be had a la
>>10268 and
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Episode_Special_4#Site_Navigation Embedding error.
RIP to the thousands of OP fans who died before ever getting to see Gol D. Roger fight.
>>10812Dragon Ball Super fans are contenders (mostly due to the sheer autism of the fanbase on /a/)
>>>/anime/10601 ass an example pic
>>2059>>2058>>2053>Yamato's Intro Box says she is the DAUGHTER of Kaido>Openly admits she's merely LARPing as Oden<tvitter libs and the LGBT community: Hmmm, this means he's trans! Finally we have representation (NO, FUCK YOU, KIKU AND THE NEWKAMA DON'T COUNT SHUT UUUP!) I'm really not liking this idea that Kaido was such a horrible motherfucker that he beat his daughter and made her and his underlings refer to herself as his 'son', since that means Yamato later latching onto the Oden LARPing can be directly blamed on Kaido himself for mindbreaking his daughter into referring to herself as a boy, since he wanted a son. Then again, judging by the fact that Kaido is so petty that he locked an 8 year old Yamato in a cave with 3 samurai for Oden LARPing, when he could have easily talked her down suggests that Kaido really would do something that fucked up for his own pride.
I find it both hilarious and sad that some people try to make this into a "Yamato is trans" argument and it's kinda dumb as fuck. This is despite her reasons for calling herself a man (A: Kaido refusing to acknowledge a female and so coping by calling her a son and B: her childish idea to become Oden) directly hurts the transhumanists own cause since it just seems mentally ill and abusive/trauma-based. I get wanting representation, but this is actually silly, and frankly there is much better representation in the series (the Okama like Bon Clay, Kiku and Emporio Ivankov).
The reactions to Yamato's male declaration (and Oden LARP) is that Momo is confused as fuck and Luffy is too, but they just roll with it, since it's a minor matter and that's probably the best part of this entire debacle.
>Kiku comparisonYamato wanting to be Oden is not the same as Kiku wanting to be a woman - it's about presentation, not actual reality; she directly says her reasoning is
>if Oden is a man, then I'll be a man tooThis suggests her wanting to be a man is completely dependent on Oden and not how she sees herself. Yamato calling her self 'son of Kaido' is something Kaido forced on her even before she met Oden. That she put herself as 'son of Kaido' in context of the samurai hating her due to her dad suggests that even before Yamato decided to 'become a man, like Oden', she was already being raised not to act like a girl, by her dad. That would definitely explain why Kaido calls her his son, when he hates her Oden-LARPing guts. The only question is why Kaido does this; it's not humoring her, since he's instructed his underlings to do the same. I have no doubt Kaido's reasons has nothing to do with him respecting her 'wanting to be a man like Oden' and everything to do with his complete and utter absolute disdain for the fact that he had a daughter instead of a son.
https://archive.ph/w1WPH#GenderAlso it seems that Oda just got inspired by another media (as usual) in this case Rose of Versailles
>Yamato seems to be inspired by Oscar François de Jarjayes, from the shōjo manga The Rose of Versailles, who is a woman raised by her father as if she were a boy in order to succeed him as the commander of the Royal Guard at the Palace of Versailles.>Additionally, in the Chapter 945 author's comment, Oda talks about reading The Rose of Versailles for the first time and being surprised to find out Oscar was a woman. >>10817Also as an aside, translators can and are biased, example being pic 1, translating an interview of the VA for Yamato and using male pronouns, despite actual translation using female pronouns. Pic 2 is the original.
> You were chosen to play the role of Yamato, who is popular all over the world, but what is your impression of Yamato?< "I think Yamato's charm lies in the fact that she single-mindedly believes in her feelings so much that she calls herself Kozuki Oden or says "I will become". For Yamato, gender and blood relations are secondary, and the most important thing is what Oden, whom she admires, was like. That's why she refers to herself as Kaido's "son" and why she aims to open up the country even if it means attacking her immediate family member, Kaido. I feel that the impulse of her childhood, when she witnessed Oden's way of life and read the "Oden Adventure", are what keep Yamato alive."Here's the Japanese text in case anyone wants to check it.
> 世界中から人気を集めるヤマトの役に抜擢されましたが、ヤマトにはどのような印象がありますか？< 自ら光月おでんを名乗り「なる」と言いきるくらい、自分の気持ちを信じている直向きさが魅力たど思います。ヤマトにとって性別や血縁は二の次で、一番大切なのは憧れのおでんがどうであったか。だからこそカイドウの”息子”と表現したり肉親のカイドウを討ってまで開国を目指したりする。おでんの生き様を目の当たりにし、「おでん漫遊記」をよんだ幼少期の衝動が、ヤマトを生かしているのではないかなと感じています。Also an alternate translation attempt
> You were chosen to play the role of Yamato who is an extremely popular character all over the world, so what is your impression of Yamato?< Hayami: I believe her charm comes from her so earnestly believing her own feelings which results in her proclaiming herself to "be" Kozuki Oden. You see, for Yamato her gender and her blood relations are secondary. What's most important is her admiration for Oden and the man he was. That is the reason why she calls herself Kaido's "son" and why she want to open Wano to the world by defeating her own father Kaido. I believe by reading "Oden's Voyage Log" and becoming witness to his way of life gave Yamato this urge in her early childhood. I feel that this must be what kept her alive. >>10814>>10824>>10811>mods deleted Luffy Poster's content <Literally the OP of the thread <They don't post anything that bad outside of edgy funposting in /siberia/FFS Mods
>>10839 I can't remember at the moment and it's too late for me to start checking over. I provided the text in Japanese, please check yourself if you are invested in the argument
>>10843>neutral Maybe, I'm not sure, these translations aren't mine, though I tried to check them for accuracy before posting. That said I think that it may be a case of something like "san" that is technically neutral but reads as female or male depending on the use (see the part about Yamato and compare to the part about Oden's way of life.
But again it's late and I'm tired so I may be mistaken in the translation.
>>9571Bloated cast and bloat in general. WCI and Wano both have multiple intersecting plotlines that all are somewhat important combined with multiple chars having a fight, even if stuff is offscreened there's a shitton. Also more and more information comes with each arc, ffs last chapter or whatever introduced some new info dealing with king. Katakuri fight was awesome tho and I wish the luffy and kaido fight was on the same level but it keeps getting sidetracked or some other shit.
oh and almost (not really but still) back to back arcs, dressrosa then wano were/are the longest arcs in the manga and show, rosa took over a year and had boring content (tonttas) and slogs (tournament, birdcage) and wano has been going on since 2018, and before wano wci was 70+ chapters.
>>1732what's everybody's thoughts on the current state of OP?
>>11111>what's everybody's thoughts on the current state of OP?Idk really. Like many I used to really "obsess" over OP in form of theorizing all kinds stuff. I really immersed myself in the world. I couldn't wait to see how all this worldbuilding an lore was coming alltogether and I loved the characters their personalities and even the powersystem although there were better animes concerning that.
WCI was somewhat of a slog, but I still kept invested you knnow? Reading every new chapter like a fucking looser, but the hype for wano was unreal and I just accepted the wait.
Reverie was what slowly finnished it for me though. The arc was too good. We saw Imu and got a lot of information that I personally was speculating about for years.
But inside a few chapters of Wano I lost interest. By that point I couldn't stand the strawhats and the annyoing tropes surrounding most of them. The storytelling has become stale and I couldn't bother to wait evey third week for oda to sit out another week. So I just kinda stopped reading and watching.
Now its been 3 years and I still haven't picked it up again and I think I never will again. If you step back from OP and look at it objectively you see that beside all the praise for Oda as a genius and his near perfect story, this manga has a lot of flaws. The main cast has devolved into mostly tropes after the timeskip, the powersystem is incosisten etc.. A part of me thinks that maybe Oda doesn't care anymore and wants to milk it before finally finishing it.
I still look into it from time to time, just so I can see the big moments like Roger and Whitebeard fighting and all the plot points resolving and sometimes I watch a youtube video by some nerd trying to "analyse" fucking usopp as he is some sort of analogy for a deeper philosophical issue lol. Reminds me of the nerd I was back then. Probably watch the ending too when it arrives just to see what the one piece was all about
Sorry for rambling, but I just find it interesting, how I have lost almost all interest for series I used to obsess over
>>11111 Check'd
>what's everybody's thoughts on the current state of OP? As you said, bloated; it's suffering from DBZ type power creep. The flashbacks defining Roger and Whitebeard demonstrate their strength at the prime of their lives but shit is just getting too ridiculous in many characters.
DressRosa, if you skipped a lot of time-wasting bullshit, is fun and the tournament is something that had been new to the story. The manga is better in that regard at least.
>>12149No I am a DB fan
DB is more leftist
>>14387Oda used to make some action scenes with great flow, but nowdays it all looks messy and confusing. These last few chapters in particular have been awful, hopefully the Wano arc will end soon.
Pic related as an example of an excelent page spread somewhat recently (chap. 821)
Just a thought that occurred to me but have we seen half-fishman hybrids in series? There's the half-mermaid daughter of Big Mom, Charlotte Praline (who is just a mermaid, no hybrid features seen) and the GIant-fishman hybrids (that are just big fishmen TBH). The only human-fshman hybrid is Dellinger and it's almost unnoticeable in both.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Wotans https://archive.ph/gDC2n It'd be interesting a concept because of the existing taboo of human-fishman blood transfusions, so the thought of human-fishman children is interesting as would be Nami's reaction to such a thing for example. Hell, given the Fishman's similarity to real life enslavement of Africans (For example all of them have colored skin, have imposing strength and many have plump lips similar to slightly caricaturesque portrayals of Black people), the concept of such a hybrid ought to be very controversial in general, as kind of a reactionary response ought to be garnered a similar to /pol/s anger about interracial. An entire mini-arc could be made focusing on Nami and such a hybrid and her demonstrating her moving on from Arlong and her acceptance of Fishmen after Fishman Island and Hacchan, that'd have her defend such a child's "blasphemous" existence. OR thought kinda unfitting of the story tone, Nami herself hooking up with a Fishman at the End of Series.
This is all unlikely given that the plot is clearly way past that at this point, but it's an interesting thought.
As a side note I find it interesting that
Anyway just a rambling thought, thanks for coming to this TED talk.
>>1755>>1756>>1753>The Che reference is dedicated to a murderer, rapist slaver and criminal Doesn't sound very pro-Communist.
>>1776>Kikumore like Keku lol
>>16738Kek
>>16739 Look up the episodes and just skip the ones that are padding. The animation is kinda bad but its from the early 2000s so the quaint aspects are something I like personally, it might not be to your taste. The anime peaks in the Grand-Line arcs (Little Garden, Drum Island, Alabasta, Skypeia, Marine8 etc) After the Time-skip I suggest only watching past the Fishman island arc, and just looking at youtube clips for certain manga scenes in the anime, because the overall episodes drag on like balls through glass and the animation becomes even shittier than back in the beginning of the anime. So read the manga too, and the anime as additional content.
As for the movies I suggest:
- Dead End Adventure
- Baron Omatsuri and the Secret Island
- The Cursed Holy Sword
- The Giant Mechanical Soldier of Karakuri Castle
- One Piece Film Z
- One Piece Film Gold
- Strong World
- Clockwork Island Adventure
- One Piece: The Movie
- Defeat Him! The Pirate Ganzack
These are all either fun or interesting, though The Secret Island is kinda fucked up. Try to follow chronological order for them though or you'll spoil some of the canon for yourself
Don't bother with Film Red or Stampede, they're garbage.
>>18352Just read it or watch it. The manga is pretty slow for ~50 chapters, and the anime grinds to a snail's pace halfway through. Pacing is awful all around. It's 100% worth pushing through though.
If you wanna watch the anime, I'd recommend One Pace, it's a fan made condensed version which cuts anything unnecessary out and is like twice as fast.
https://onepace.net/watchIf you wanna read it, the digital colored manga is really nice:
https://ww9.readonepiece.com/manga/one-piece-digital-colored-comics/The movies/anything besides canon are usually completely skippable but some of them are pretty good. Don't skip any arcs or anything, not even Skypiea.
I hope you love One Piece, comrade.
>>18553Yeah that was me, thanks. Just started watching it. They are now saving robin.
I love it. It has everything's might switch to one pace when it gets too slow, on the other hand I never have to worry about what to watch again lol
>>16863>>16806Oda needs "good kings" and even "good dynasties" in order for the Poneglyph plot device to work. If you want to have a whole culture devoted to protecting something they don't understand, you can't give them any motivation other than cultural heritage and muh ancestors told me to. And you need to maintain continuity for maybe centuries, so you gotta have somebody with the power to keep focused on the given task.
Ironically this clashes directly with the central theme of "follow your dreams," but it's glossed over because it seems like people in cultures with this task don't have enough rebellious spirit in them to move beyond the past. It even rubs off on people tangentially related like Noland's descendants who instead of seeking vindication for their ancestors could have just moved on.
It's a weird internal tension that confuses the story when it could make it more interesting. Just present the setup in a more ambiguous light or offer criticism of it. Or alternatively have a secret society that does understand the purpose of the task who is handling these things. But I'm not that far into the series so maybe there's a reason why this is how Oda wrote it.
>>19480"Monarchy is totally cool, trust me, bruh."
This sounds like conservative Nietzsche fans with whom Emma Goldman used to argue with.
>>19481Anarchist-Monarchist-Socialism Gang!
Seriously though, I think Oda originally intended a full out communist Revolutionary type deal but realized that that would mean deposing all those good rulers, so he made this half-ass change.
>>19502>Anime depictions of Japanese normal lives are an absolute fucking lieAnime depictions of Japanese life are often limited to school. When they're not they are gritty and dystopian… which is BASED???
Otherwise, the life of the Japanese isn't depicted at all. Which is most of the anime.
>>19503Absolutely true.
>>19504 Anime has a lot of scenes at work or at the home that people miss because its background to the main plots going on. They're depicted as mostly idyllic. The gritty dystopian stuff is kinda AU as hell though so that you can't associate it with IRL Japan.
>>1736>egotistical
<What then does on my behalf mean? Here people immediately think of filthy profit. But the one who acts from love of filthy profit indeed does it on his own behalf, since in any case there is nothing that one does not do for his own sake, among other things, everything done for the glory of God; but because he seeks profit, he is a slave of profit, not beyond profit; he is one who belongs to profit, to the moneybag, not to himself; he is not his own. Doesn’t a person whom the passion of greed rules follow this master’s orders, and if one time a weak good-naturedness creeps over him, doesn’t this appear as an exceptional case of precisely the same sort as when devout believers are sometimes abandoned by their Lord’s guidance and beguiled by the wiles of the “devil?” So a greedy person is not a self-owned person, but a slave, and he can do nothing for his own sake, without at the same time doing it for his master’s sake—precisely like the God-fearing person. >>19504>When they're not they are gritty and dystopian… which is BASED???i don't think it's the case in anime, it's mostly described as extremely boring and unfulfilling or good in the case of college students and young adults
i think japanese work culture is very overexaggerated in the media, it's just as bad as the western countries, but it's not hell. i feel like it's yet another way to distract workers from their own plight of working 12 hours a day because
>look, yellow man has it worse! go back to the cagie >>19784>look, yellow man has it worse! go back to the cagieAnime is targeted at the Japanese audience, if anything it should encourage the Japs to revolt. The problem is, gritty and dystopian anime isn't popular, there's a heavy trend towards wish fullfillment and escapism. Hence the popularity of the slice-of-life anime. And the only gritty anime that still gathers hype is NGE. But it has nothing to do with the daily life, even Serial Experiments Lain is better than it in that regard. What do we have? Giant robots. Schoolboy's problems. Daddy issues.
If anything, dystopias should be doubled down upon, there's not enough worldbuilding, it's just a backdrop. The point isn't to depict the present day, cyberpunk stories try not to depict the present day but to send a message.
>>19698on a scale of 0-10 angry, with 10 being the highest
A) 0/10
B) 8/10
C) 5/10
>>19806 (cont.)
And again, the cast having mental issues is not because of piloting a robot but because they were already like that before since they all have issues with their families, social skills, alcoholism, etc. When it comes to anything bringing them mental issues it's actually the horrors of war (which is a nice anti-militarist message to all those warmongering reactionaries in Japan).
>>19807 (cont.)
In short, the anime points at the cast's issues and paints them as problems with upbringing rather than any outside influence, even if it shows some anti-militarist undertones by having the cast undertake suffering and making them absolutely terrified of fighting (Shinji and Asuka are too shell-shocked to even get into the mechas).
>>19810no, i watched it even before becoming a leftist and thought that piloting robots was an analogy for school and work, and the hundreds of thousands of otaku who watched it got the same feeling. it's obviously anti-military, but nge's massive popularity is partially built by the way the show makes it easy to connect a lot of social pressures (for most people school/work) to piloting the robot, even down to the justifications for doing it (for society, for your family, for recognition etc)
it would never reach the level of popularity it has if it didn't include an element present in a lot of people's lives. i agree that child labour and anti-militarism are significant themes of the show, but the anti-work, anti-school sentiment, the way these institutions crush mental health and throw away their subjects is pretty obvious, especially when you consider that eva came out in the 90s
>>19841>don't be an ideologueFunny because I was pointing out that you have ideological bias and yet I am the one who is an ideologue. By this point this smear is as meaningless as Marx's use of the word "idealist."
>you don't need to be of an ideology to have critical thinking, to be able to reflect on thingsDuh. Doesn't mean that certain themes you think are presented were the intent or the primary focus or that others will think the same. Again, it's not a terribly bad analogy. I just feel that it's not that strong compared to an anti-war theme.
>>19859>but nge's massive popularity is partially built by the way the show makes it easy to connect a lot of social pressures (for most people school/work)School maybe. The main character is a teenager, he is forced by his father to do what he doesn't want to do and interact with people he doesn't want to interact with. That's actually a stronger analogy than work. Although one can say that schools are an analogy to work which are an analogy to the prison system. There we go, now both the students, the workers and the prisoners of Alkatras can find NGE relatable, I can play your game pretty well too.
Let's put it this way: there are multiple "layers" of meaning, each progressively more distant from the actual plot (not like there can be an accurate gradation judging by how much of a mess NGE's plot is):
1. PTSD
2. Child labor
3. School
4. Work
5. Prison system
I see the gradation that way. The work analogy is just weaker than the previous three. But in the end I'll just quote Tolkien on this one:
<I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
>even down to the justifications for doing it (for society, for your family, for recognition etc)And how does it not apply to war also? That's literally the typical coping soldiers do to justify going to war. If anything, this says more about the war-like nature of the capitalist workplace than about the allegory for the workplace being the intent. Maybe people associate themselves with the characters because they have something in common with the classcucks than some like to admit.
Maybe the proletariat is a kind of soldiers. Doing what the bourgeoisie tell them to, no questions asked. There are no "fake" proletarians, everyone is "just doing their job." It's just so happens that some jobs actively harm the revolutionary project. But that's the problem of the revolutionaries, not the proletariat.
Anyway, I don't really want this argument to go for too long, all of this doesn't really matter, this is an argument over essentially nothing. I hope that I have at least made myself clear.
>>19865 (cont.)
This entire convo is just like one big chess game.
>>19863>I was pointing out that you Therein is your first mistake, I'm not the same person as the one you were replying to earlier, more than one user posts here lol.
>I just feel that it's not that strong compared to an anti-war theme. That's true.
>>19867>Therein is your first mistake, I'm not the same person as the one you were replying to earlier, more than one user posts here lolWell, I'm aware. It happened with me too, you can't really know, my bad.
Anyway, that doesn't negate the fact that I was accusing the person of being an ideologue rather than being an ideologue myself, unless you think that being critical of ideologues is being an ideologue which implies that you yourself are an ideologue. Ideologueception.
>>19898 I hope this is an early teaser and they'll pull a Sonic and redo it. Zoro is passable at least but Luffy is just terrible (seriously, Oda himself said that IRL he'd be a Brazilian, and his attitude is loud and confident, there is nothing like that here, it's like Goku from that terrible Dragon Ball Z movie.
>*eyes flicking back and forth nervously "I'm sensing a little bit of tension…"Fucking what was this line, what was this performance?!
Buggy looks cool although I feel like they're trying to ape off the recent Joker too much.
Usopp's lack of long nose is terrible, he looks like a bad Pirates of the Caribbean cosplayer
Nami looks okayish, not good nor bad.
Sanji looks WAY too manly and has no curly brows.
>"All the greatest fighters call out their finishing moves"<"No they don't"These people think they're so meta, fuck. Honestly the screenwriters should have lurked the 4/a/ One Piece threads and gotten a sense of the fanbase and memes, and/or the theatrical productions, Because this ain't it chief.
>>19902>>19902>The trailer was released yesterday>the series is set to be released at the end of August. This year. Fuck
>>19903 >mostly just how he looksNot quite, he looks like a clown, yes, but the netflix trailer really amps up on his psychotic side.
>>20554They are baiting a lawsuit from Disney with that pirates of the caribbean ass music lol.
It's better than the teaser, almost makes that look like it was bad on purpose. A lot of it looks cosplay-tier but tbh people are spoiled on super high budget movies and shows.
>>20742> I like One Piece, but some of the fans… lolwhat are you talking about?
gaer 5 luffy solos all verses and is a better story
can we get much higher?
no, because one piece is PEAK fiction
>>15000>000checkem
>>9996>>9121>>9124Apparently someone got the same idea regarding the wall pocket pussies
How big of a bump in attention will the live action cause compared to Gear 5? Netflix put a lot of money into it and it's presumably going to make the story a lot more accessible (some people just refuse to watch animation for some reason).
>>15000mfw
>>20965>I M A G I N E.png ehehehe
>How big of a bump in attention will the live action cause compared to Gear 5? Not as much as it would have 10 years ago. It might get the attention of some older audiences or kids that have more limited youtube access, or bring back older fans that stopped watching a while ago.
>>18356And over half a year later we learn the beginnings of why Kuma was so important other than being a former king turned pirate warlord and cyborg.
Also I wonder what devil-fruit Saint Jupiter consumed, some mythical spider zoan? How is Luffy gonna beat that bearded fuck?
>>21548Finally Luffy has unlocked Gear 6th, Bone
r Balloon.
>>22052Insane Clown Pirates
>>22055The captain was basically just a specialist whose authority was acknowledged for being an expert, not the Head Mother Fucker In Charge as usually portrayed. The quartermaster was closer to that but still not really, more of a manager. Disobeying captain's orders during combat was often punishable by death, but everyone agrees to that in advance because it's critical to have everyone coordinated in high-stakes and fast-moving situations.
>>22619>>22618When this drops they will have:
<Manga<1999 Toei anime<Episode of East Blue<Live Action<The One Piece anime<One Paceall covering East Blue.
There definitely need to be six versions of that.
>>23044So in other words they're cutting out unnecessary filler and episode extension content?
>>22624 This, the new style up til Wano was just too 'clean'
>>23046More likely they are doing a re-adaptation of the manga so none of that stuff will be there for that reason.
The teaser did have Mayumi Tanaka doing Luffy's voice though. A lot of the voice actors are pretty old to commit to restarting the series, even though they are basically synonymous with the characters for a huge audience. The original is already huge so it's kind of weird to try to replace it, despite the glaring flaws. You could say the manga deserves a "proper" treatment but the current One Piece anime has some of the biggest ever shoes to fill.
>>9121Also considering these copies are not limited by size, mini-feish giantess fetish and foot-fetish are also covered
>>23700 Also why was this spoilered!? The image isn't outright NSFW with no shown genitalia or even nips unlike pic rel!
>>23967I answered the question already. If you mean in terms of "do they have cartoons with cartoon physics in their world" Not really, no TV = no cartoons.
If you mean the concept of cartoon physics (even if perhaps named differently) not really either, a lot of shit that ought to kill people IRL, or be seriously fucked up deformities of the limbs, body or face are fairly normal for characters in One Piece, ordinary looking people are harder to find than weird ones. Hell most of the Devil Fruit powers are bullshit too, going way off-base from their name.
>>20940Reflecting on this post I realize that the Hana Hana no Mi is probably the ultimate sexual Devil Fruit.
Bondage? Check
Giantess? Check
Multi-genitalia? Check
Handjob? Check
Any body-part fetish (feet, armpit, belly, etc.)? Check
Tentacles (sorta)? Check
There's possibility for Mini-girl too (if she can make herself giant, why not the opposite?) and considering her
devil transformation there is possibility to manipulate her physical 'assets' similar to Jewelry Bonney.
What NSFW uses for Akuma no Mi can y'all think of?
Furries would love Zoan fruits Or hell even out-of-the-box uses of Devil Fruits that Oda hasn't explored - such as the Hobi Hobi no Mi being capable of essentially erasing a monarchy and its followers by simply erasing their existence.
Can any of you think of a fanfic Devil Fruit to rival the Hana Hana no Mi (while sticking to canon rules for fruits power limitations?)
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