It vaguely is, you can definitely make the connection.
One Piece is libertarian, although left leaning. It's big focus is pursuing your dream no matter what and in defiance of authority. If there is any central ideology I can discern its Egoism.
PS Yay, Finally a One Piece Thread!
In a chaotic, egotistical sense, yes. On the Political Compass it would be leftist libertarian. Which is impractical IRL but a fun fantasy to read about.
He also knows a lot about communism. Dragon is directly based off of Castro as explained in the vivre cards.
Ah I didn't catch that, but thanks for letting me know. That's pretty based of Oda, though communism as understood by Japan is pretty light and soc-dem like, ain't it?
At any rate, let's post some inspiring One Piece stuff. I've been meaning to talk about it in a leftist space for a long ass while.
While initially true, I feel that Oda has either liberalized or been forced to liberalize One Piece because the Revolutionary Army in canon declared that it intented only to remove the 'bad kings' and World Government. Essentially playing the "good ruler stay/back in power" card
It's just gonna be "not all kings" or some shit because of the good kings we've met, but I think getting rid of the world government in general is a good thing, or at least the celestial dragons.
I feel as long as the celestial dragons and im are removed from power, that it can still be considered leftist. You could make an argument that keeping the good kings is still "democratic" since they are in a way chosen by the masses. Idk.
Even if they're making the Revolutionary Army a bit faggy, keep in mind that all the "good kings" were not actual royal families that ruled over those countries from the start.
The Celestial Dragons were the actual kings of all the world's kingdoms before they moved to that heaven of theirs as seen with Doflamingo and Dressrosa
shame hes just a shitty one shot villain
also read the manga instead. youll enjoy it more. Toei has horrible pacing and adds tons of filler
They have similar egotistical personalities too.
>>1742>chosen by the masses
no they aren't Alabasta, Fishman Island and DressRosa are exceptions as demonstrated in the reverie
the only ones you've listed there that are true are Alabasta. As The Nerfertiti were dsecended from the original 20 world kings. Fishman Island is it's own thing, and Dressrosa was coup'd by a celestial dragon descendant.
This. They're kings in title, but they have popular support from their kingdoms.
Alabasta had a literal revolution when shit got bad after Crocodile's manipulations. The Revolutionaries could have removed Nefertiti but chose not to upon the truth being revealed, thus showing that the people in the case of Alabasta could do so.
Original rulers WERE Doflamingo who BECAME Celestial Dragons, before one of them lowered back to humanity and the last living member of that line took over Dressrosa from a different line of kings who were of the people.
>Fishman Island is it's own thing
It is a kingdom regardless, but the king is sort-of elected and they seem to have protest movements and such.
All three of these kingdoms have people clearly ready to overthrow improper government but have kind kings. At the same time such kings are the exception among kingdoms. Making the whole 'good king' thing a liberal backtrack.
Skypeia arc was good at dealing with the "no gods no masters" thing
Unfortunately that antagonist was a massive POS
it doesn't have anything to do with him. He just happens to look like One Piece Che Guevara, now he's in Japan jail.
Oda's got a Che poster hanging up in his office, I've said it before in this thread but I found the picture and it's neat to see. His office has a lot of weird bullshit though so it could be a random visual flare type of thing.
I really liked One Piece years ago but as my tastes developed I sort of lost my taste for it, and the series has been stretched out to the point where going over the story is a bit of a headache.
I literally just got into the story and I can't get beyond dressrosa. There's so much to unpack, especially for a noobie I can't believe I made it this far. Not to mention apperently funimation has been doing a fucking chapter by chapter adaptation of the anime rather than skipping some parts which has made shit just drawn WAY the fuck out. Like long ring long island.
I want to return too it and finish it and be there for the 1k episode, but, god damn.
Please read the manga instead, not only is it faster but the art is a lot better and the anime literally RUINS scenes. Take for example, since you've watched up to Fishman Island I'll list a good example from that. The anime adds in a scene of Hody Jones and his band of fucks getting fucked with by adult pirates as babies, to set up them as idolizing Arlong when he saves them. This scene isn't in the manga, and for good reason. At the end of the arc, Hody says his hate for humans isn't based off of ANYTHING in particular, he's simply a byproduct of the generation before him hating humans. This is a very poignant part of the whole arc that's just ruined through the anime trying to add in more filler for time. Most of the time the filler is bad non-cannon additions to the fights, but there's stuff that's reprehensible.
Please consider the manga if you revisit this series again, it really shines as a manga first artistically anyway.
This. Im reading the manga rn and its so much faster than the anime and is way easier to digest. Toei ruined the anime with the bad animation and filler hell.
By the way does anyone else here post in one piece general on 4chan /a/?
Too clarify, i do not dislike one-piece. On the contrary i absolutely love it. I am just a large digester of anime rather than manga and it makes me sad that the anime is so fucked.
I do, it's been terrible for nearly a decade or so, but I do. >>1766
S'all good comrade, was just letting ya know. Shame the anime adaption is as bad as it is, Dressrosa is a slog even in the manga IMO so I don't blame anime onlys getting tired from it.
>>1767>I do, it's been terrible for nearly a decade or so, but I do.
every thread on 4chan is terrible though so its to be expected
That's a very fair point. I haven't really felt like 4chan's been fun since 2008 or so. I was a majority /co/ poster too, so it was just generally less of the /pol/ nightmare that the rest of the board was slowly becoming.
Actually, for any other 4chanons in this thread, remember how bad the /a/ op threads were from around the turn of the decade? It was to the point that you'd see a lot of refugee threads on /co/ or /v/ for that reason alone.
I started using the threads around dressrosa. I was the BTFOanon/Sanjihatefag
I still say fuck Sanji. White Knight bastard keeps acting like a cunt so much it pisses me off. His Wholecake Island sarc gave him some new depth but still.
Literally the worst gag character in the series.
lmao, I remember trolling that Sanji-Nami shipper in that era. It was fun times. I didn't invent the "bullsopp" narrative but I helped propogate it.
They deserve each other TBH. He would serve her greedy wants tirelessly and she would never have to put out and he would be fine white knighting til he died.
Nami's a sweet girl minus the greed, which is mostly played up for jokes. I'd rather Sanji end up forever alone for all his bullshit.
Sanji belongs with kiku
Shaji is the most annoying character. Very shoe horned. Very transparent.
I like all the strawhats he just annoys me more than the others.
Him being kind and cooking food for whomever is always gonna be the best Sanji. Feeding the hungry is very noble.
I hate the cuck part of Sanji that won't hit a woman
Even Luffy hits women, anon.
People with basic bitch taste will be put to the gulag>>1737>Oda has communist sympathies because he's got che guevara hanging up in his office and the fact that the revolutionaries exist in his story.
Pics or it didn't happened
All you had to do was scroll homie. >>1756
Also, fuck you.
Does big mom/tottoland represent liberal/radlib idpol?
>>1785>forced diversity>a group of islands governed by children of a dictator whose purported dream is where everyone is equal >outright ignores this dream whenever greed attacks
sort of I guess. It's more of a "le liberal monarchy/good ruler" parody
What does Wano represent?
Japan historic and modern.
1) Industrialization is seen as bad because it is used to exploit the people and brings terrible living conditions
2) Instead of a proper feudal monarchy, the state is ruled by a "monarch" who is really more of a figurehead as part of a business and has international power (Orochi deals with World Government officials like an equal) which is similar to a corporate monopoly working with a national government
3) lastly Oden was a 'disgrace' because he lived freely and did not care for how others saw him, breaking the mold of uptight Wano citizens.
All these feel like callbacks to moments in Japanese history.
>>1789>3) lastly Oden was a 'disgrace' because he lived freely and did not care for how others saw him, breaking the mold of uptight Wano citizens.
Lol everyone in the 4/a/ thread got mad and started shitposting over this. Theres a /pol/ presence there.
Someone should go through every major arc and say what they represent.
>>1790>Theres a /pol/ presence there.
No shit>in the 4/a/ thread got mad
screencaps?>got mad and shitposting
Fucking why? The guy is the definition of a hedonistic libertarian in terms of behaviour. He's just a libertarian with a sense of empathy.
I was going to do that but then leftyweebpol went kill with the rest of 8chan so I lost my work.
>>1792>Fucking why? The guy is the definition of a hedonistic libertarian in terms of behaviour. He's just a libertarian with a sense of empathy.
Because the thread is full of retards who thing the celestial dragons represent jews and they didn't get their typical shonen stoic chad hero
Unless you have something to add to the thread, bumping it like this is idiotic
With the latest chapter reveal of Oden only dancing because he made a deal to save everyone, people in the /a/ thread are still saying Odens a cuck.
LOL the most predictabl twist ever and /a/ just realized? >he's a cuck
Fucking how? He has no way of killing Orochi who, along with Kaidou, fights dirty. He was putting his people ahead of himself.
They just like playing up bad stuff they don't get contextually because being a part of the "outrage" is fun. If you meme "One Piece is bad now" eventually it just becomes popular opinion.
Anyways in regards to Oden, everyone's saying that he should've just called Roger or Whitebeard to help him with Kaidou. Forgetting multiple facts like how Roger is dead at this point and that Wano's Den Den Mushi only have the limited range of the island. Even the "Kaidou is a kidnapper" complaint is dumb when you consider he's a pirate through and through, pretty much a barbarian, and we've seen him all throughout the arc trying to brainwash people under him, so the narrative of "why isn't Kaidou just wrecking everything" they're spinning is objectively dumb.
>>1799>being a part of the "outrage" is fun
Part of it is also because HxH retards try to slide the thread on a consistent basis.
Oda is sick. Do you guys think he got the corona?
I don't think politics posting is going to help him get better, if anything it'll stress him out more.
One Piece is obviously at least partially leftist which makes it hard for me to understand why JUMP allows it to be published. Maybe im just being autistic idk.
anything that's critical of the status quo is fine by capitalists so long as they can make money off of it. I mean for fuck's sake they're making an american version of Parasite aren't they?
>>1805>obviously at least partially leftist
Its libertarian and about "muh freedomz" and abstract concepts of dream. While this is good it isn't very socialist and more liberal than anything pertaining to actual anti-capitalism.
Its anarchist. Its against all forms of authority
Is jinbei a feudalist?
In relation to the Merman king, yes. In relation to over-all world government, no.
Name one pro communist episode???
Bro what the fuck is wrong with Kochikame??,
SOMEONE TELL ME
WHEN DID RYOTSU GET CANCELED. HE JUST BE EATING RAMEN AND FIGHTING WITH CHILDREN ABOUT TOYS INSTEAD OF BEING A CAWP
>>1732>One Piece is leftist
<A crew of libertarians travel the world, executing their personal justice and fighting a globalist government while propping up kingdoms, even against Revolutionaries, who support the king if he's good.
I'll admit when it has to come to the whole Alabasta it kind of makes me wonder if it was a lazy analogy for Iraq. I'm not sure if anyone's aware of it but when it comes to a lot of the buildings and city design specifically Alubarna was based off of Baghdad during the Abassid caliphate especially since both cities had a very round shape.
The big thing that makes me wonder this though is basically the fact that the timing of the Alabasta arc happened around the early 2000s which was around the lead up to the Iraq war which to me seems awfully suspicious especially since in the story Crocodile is shown to be a Shichibukai who did have alliances with the World Governement and attempts to use said power to get rid of a country which looks vaguely like the Middle East until getting defeated by Luffy.
I guess in a way the analogy though messy would work if one were to say Shichibukai were like Al-Qaeda in that they were funded originally to fuck with other pirates but ended up backfiring like it did when the US supported Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein against the Soviets only for Al-Qaeda to do 9/11 and Saddam Hussein to get in the way of the flow of oil which the US wanted. Also, I guess technically Alabasta did have actually a weapon of mass destruction if anyone wants to make a joke about it.
I don't know this is probably a shitty analogy but I don't think Oda thought out the implications of the Alabasta arc.
A decent analogy actually but I do concur that Oda was likely only vaguely referencing Middle Eastern conflict, rather than anything specific
More stuff on Dragon being a lose parody of Che that I only just now learned:
his ship is the Wind Granma, named after the ship Grama, which carried Che, Castro, and the rest from Mexico to Cuba to overthrow the Batistas.
Also, Dragon's favorite food is Bocaditos, a cuban slider-style sammich.
There's no doubt in my mind that the revolutionary army aren't based off of the Cuban Revolution now.
Well except the fact that the Revolutionaries (post timeskip) have stated their intent to remove the World Government and let the "good kings" rule their countries.
This is just hobby-communism, like the author of Youjo Senki >>>/roulette/1501
Still don't understand how One Piece is a left-anarchist manga>>1821>hobby-communism
what do that be? your link is broken
Hobby communists like history and the aesthetic of communism but aren't necessarily communists.
Go to /anime/ catalog and search Youjo Senki the thread was made on roulette but its still there.
The name is literally a portmanteau of Mary Antoinette and bourgeois.
So is Kaido's son actually son or a girl? Like the fuck is going on right now?
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. the translations were confusing as shit.
Not unexpected. I don't go on /a/ anymore since those cancerous weebs have become as braindead as /co/ has.
not only do I miss it, but Oda now likes to use a similar rendering for people with regular noses when they face frontwards. It makes Robin look less unique, sucks. He also doesn't really connect Robin's nose with the bridge of her eyebrows anymore. She's been moe-ized.>>1967>>2053
What's weird but kind of interesting to me is that Luffy respects Yamato's pronouns by calling him "mountain-guy".
Strangely enough the anime is actually not as bad as it was. It's still terribly paced and has some dumb shit, but its a marked improvement over shit we saw before.
Dressrosa was the animes lowest point
Dressrossa, actually (at least after you get through the first half of it) was a really good and captivating arch, in and of itself.
But yeah, Jesus Christ, the anime just drags it on for EVER. I watched at least 30 episodes at x2 speed.
Im talking about animation and filler wise. Most of the animation for that arc looked like a child drew it. Its a real shame because like you said it was a really good arc.
One Piece is better than MHA because One Piece is left anarchist while MHA endorses fascism. MHA is basically eugenics sky high but in anime format
You know what One Piece is? Bad.
The media you eat up vaguely aligning with your political views doesn't make it better, overly ideologized consumerist dumbass.
Oda is a hack
Ok, you're welcome to your opinion>>2729
This, fucking this. I know radlib "anarchists" who like One Piece over Bleach or Naruto, not because of narrative or story-telling merits, or characters, but because "it's anarchsit and so leftist!"… because ideology somehow makes something a better story.
>>3832>posting this pseud shit
You don't know what pseud means or what sage is for, as expected of someone who unironically likes shonen garbage like Wan Piss.
>>3878>saging because he doesn't want to get a reply
<U-u don't know what sage ees!!
You are a pseud, your denial does nothing to prove otherwise. >unironically like
<Hurr if you enjoy something for silly fun ur stoopid>Wan Piss
For someone supposedly 'above' "muh shonen", you sure get assblasted over it and people who enjoy it.
STAY MAD wannabe hipster
sage isn't a downvote, reddito
Pot? Meet Kettle, he says you're black!
lmao when checking the backlog this is easily the tenth thread i see with who i guess is the same schizo getting unbelievable mad about people using sage, what the fuck??
Given that this the posts are samefag sage-spam about how "hurr this board/thread sucks" it's fairly obvious who you are.
The recent Wano fights with the big-head ninja and some samurai are pretty much ripping on Naruto Shippden fights. This is like Fairy Tail, trying to one up an ended show by switching from their thing to another but flashier and not really getting it off well.
>>2302>Luffy respects Yamato's pronouns
I think's it just something about the translation as well as the reveal of Yamato being a girl only coming later, so Luffy just refers to Yamato is he's already accustomed to doing.
did you have a stroke when typing that?
Eugh what do you hope to accomplish by sperging out whenever someone uses sage?
You must be THE most autistic poster I've seen here.
>>4631>hurr you hate sageposters
<ignores that I literally used sage as it's supposed to be
You're a fucking moron and the hilarious gall of someone replying to a post that is done and over-with is far more pathetic and 'autistic'.
Just as a side note. I don't care about sage itself. I use it all the time when it's actually applicable. What I dislike faggots shitting up the threads with;
"hurr why is this board/anime/thread so shit" (I recall about 5 of these posts)
"Hurr animu Cory in the house haha" (2)
"Hurr shounen is shit" (6, this is inspite of the literal Naruto/DBZ hate thread MADE for this kind of commentary)
"hurr any mention of social media or youtube in any way is Muh ecelebs" (5)
Almost without any variation these samefag saged spamposts are made week after week. The mods recently deleted over 15 posts of this crap from the Tanya thread alone because that's how many posts were nothing but sage-spam talking about this crap and derailing the thread (like you are doing). And when it's pointed out "hey, just hide and ignore, stop shitting up threads and using sage as a reddit downvote" they scream reddit.
Now fuck off and post something relevant to the thread.
If they're made week after week, have you considered you have schizophrenia and it's actually different people? Just a crazy (heh, heh) thought.
>>4633>sage is reddit except when i use it
>>4635>saging a thread at the top of the catalog is totally reddit!!!
LO fucking L>>4634
You're not as clever as you think yourself to be. Different people don't make the same fucking posts over and over again.
Post something relevant to the thread or GTFO and stop derailing.
Just imagine this:
You are an elite navy soldier, proven yourself in many battles, maybe even in the New World. Your strength and speed is low level superhuman, far stronger than regular humans even dream of becoming. Maybe you even show enough potential that your officers started training you in Haki or Rokushiki. Anyway, you are among the 100.000 best of the Navy, chosen to fight in a war against one of the World Governments greatest enemies. Your skill and speed have so far kept you unharmed in this monumental battle. You are rather close to Whitebeard himself. A truly frightening foe, several times a normal humans size, unbelievable strength and one of the most powerful devil fruits of all. In a world, with Giants, Hybrids, Fishman, mink & So many unknown types of people, and among them he's holding the title "THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD"; A walking, living legend. But he is old, sick and injured. Sengoku gives the order to finish him. This is the chance to prove yourself! You and your comrades have stood against unbearable odds before! Together you can surely beat the monster! Together you charge at him. Some of you stab Whitebeard, one fires a bazooka directly into his face. He starts to fall! Then, suddenly he straightens back up. His voice like an angry roaring thunder as he reminds you who he is. He takes one big swing with his giant blade. Doesn't even use his feared devil fruit ability, just the strength of his arm. A gust of wind, a huge shockwave rips your body from the ground. There is dust and rubble everywhere, you can't see anything, you just feel that you have absolutely no control over your body anymore. The dust clears and you realize that you are suddenly hundreds of meters above the ground, falling to certain death.
How frightening that must be.
Can anyone link/post a good quality version of Jango's Dance Carnival? I've seen it in AMVs and remember it from way back when but I haven't been able to find a good quality version of it online. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Jango%27s_Dance_Carnival
I remember when some kiwifarms poster said that "Oh hey this youtuber is pushing his liberal/socialist agenda even though the world government is ACTUALLY socialist, I love his fucking irony, I am now super smug"
Is this relevant to the One Piece World Government or real life? Given that it's Kiwifarms I think the latter. And what youtuber? Were THEY talking about One Piece?
Horee fuck, dats some vack shit!
Honestly every time I see Kiwifarms post about anything tangentially related to leftism, they have huge circlejerks about how evul communism is. It's /pol/ 2.0
Ok for real though…has One piece always been trash? Has it only declined somewhere around the timeskip or has it been a great story throughout all his time?
Honestly, whenever a series drags out for that long it's going to be trash.
The more it goes on,the more you notice the lows of it,and the more opportunities for Oda to fuck up,so on average,it became worse.
DO NOT watch the anime tho,I don't care that the music and the voice acting is good,the pacing is so bad it makes you wonder why you're even bothering.
yeah, this, also there are so many jokes you can do with the same 1-dimensional archetypical characters – nowadays it's just a pirate-themed Groundhog Day
btw I'm anime-only but I just jump 10-60sec, sometimes finishing an episode in a couple of minutes
Trash in what sense?
One Piece is about wild moments, weird powers and creatures and corny shit about friendship and determination. And I think it's pretty funny.
It's never been good at pacing, or subtlety, or nuance, or maturity, or whatever else you expect from stuff that doesn't get labeled "trash". And it's very formulaic. Like another anon said, this stuff gets more noticeable and frequent the more it goes on, but it's always been there.
Point being, even at its best fighting shonen will only ever be cotton candy and it's never "well written", but as for whether it's actually gotten *worse*, I don't think so at all. I actually find Dressrosa easier to binge read than something like Skypiea because at least it feels like things are always moving somehow.
But if you wanna judge it entirely within its genre, there's probably a reason (beyond mere nostalgia) I still read One Piece but can't handle stuff like MHA or AoT or even Naruto. And honestly, I think it's that Oda just embraces how trashy it is. It's always very cartoonish and even the more "serious" moments tend to have some humor or ridiculousness to them.
And I make this point because I think it's easy to scoff at shonenfags who cream their pants over every minutely "hype" moment achieved by violating good taste and common sense, but One Piece seems different because it is very much aware of what it is without descending into outright cynical parody. This is one of the things the first Dragon Ball actually got right, so it's a big plus.
So it's trash, yes, in the best way, which still might not be enough for some people. That's fine.
And yes, I just wrote a whole reply to a post that's forty days old and I'm not even gonna bump the thread. Fuck you.
It comes with the Toy Island (movie 2 or 3 I think)
Unfortunately the only doujins that even remotely cover this potential are futa content, I don't know if any fanfics cover this. >1) (C92) [Arsenothelus (Chinbotsu, Rebis)] Midare Saki Joshuu Kaizoku Soushuuhen | Bloom, Pirate Hooker! Bloom! Annual (One Piece) [English] (C92) [アルセノテリス (沈没、Rebis)] 乱れ咲き女囚海賊総集編 (ワンピース) [英訳]
Nico Robin and Nami use the Hana Hana no mi to fuck (and later combine) and impregnate Princess Shirahoshi. Pic 1
>2) [Kouzu Shoukai (CAW=ZOO)] Futanari Robin VS Onna Kyojin Kaihei (One Piece) [English] [q91] [Digital] [高津娼会 (CAW=ZOO)] フタナリロビンVS女巨人海兵 (ワンピース) [英訳] [DL版]
Nico Robin traps that female Giantess from the Marines and uses dick-inception while restraining and fucking her. Pic 2
I partially agree with >>8727
so I'll summarize that Pre and Post Timeskip are sort of like 2 very different series, similar to how Naruto and Shippuden took differing directions. However it is largely true that Post TS is worse in many regards than Pre TS because it flanderizes the small issues that the Pre-TS story had and makes it boring. The anime has become worse than the manga in most regards, with DBZ tier pauses and discount supersaiyan fights, so compared to the more grounded yet silly adventure story that initially began, it's lost it's tempo.
They are just looking for treasure
None of the main characters care about leftist shit
>>9284>just looking for treasure
You haven't been keeping up with the story for a long time I think.
The Strawhats are a shining ray of proletarian internationalism, working with various peoples for their own National Liberation purposes, all for the goal of achieving world socialist revolution against the bourgeois World Government.
Fucking this was my thought when I saw the chapter
what is this anime?
has this been going on longer than shin-chan, maruko-chan or kochikame?
It has been going on every week since the 60s
i often wonder about these long running shows
how do they try to not repeat story lines
do they have an archive or some historian of their show to check up with?
With The Simpsons they just started making every other episode a celebrity guest appearance.
I have no idea, cant find anything online, probably would help you to know japanese since its not that popular abroad.
Can anyone explain why Alabasta, Thriller Bark, Saobody and Marineford felt like such dynamic final battles/wars while the Post TS conflicts, like WCI and Wano feel like a fucking slog… there's literally too much going on at the same time is an explanation, but only partially.
>>1732>leftist<repeated arcs since Alabasta about "good kings"
I enjoy One Piece and its fantasy, but lets not pretend that leftism is a occasional flavor of the series, not a major part of it.
Nami'd kill for a money making scheme like that - it's in her style, using temporary living ona-holes essentially to make money (and get pleasure) from places they stop at, while remaining squeaky clean herself.
Also on a less sexual note, the Strawhats could make a lot of money (and infamy) by selling clones of Nico Robin, to marines for bounties (in disguise) and then having them go *poof* leaving the marines having nothing.
I also got an idea about Robin making a clone that goes rogue and becomes a nymphomaniac, with the original one feeling everything that happens with the clone and having to hunt it down, before it messes everything up.
Anyone remember manga related? https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Jump_Super_Stars_(One-Shot)
This kinda thing should have been made more often
Anyone read the Alabasta chapter redraw? Looks pretty sick to me https://archive.md/NwbvM
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