/anime/ - Anime

>>26567
Centrists are just conservatives that are too scared to call themselves such

>>26565
>I don't wanna be left behind by the progressive leftist wave
I think it's a combination of this and that he just really despises the freedom of expression warrior types like @himasoraakane who he has gotten into a few Twitter beefs about zoning and wants nothing to do with their fight. Attached is the bunka interview, here's the ashai one shortly after which got a lot of backlash for https://x.com/ymils_y/status/1714214894990746051 and he has just degenerated more on the issue since

>>26568
>Centrists are just conservatives that are too scared to call themselves such
Nah, I didn't mean those guys. I meant the cultural moderates like dirtbag leftists, anti-idpol progressives or anti-conservative lolberts. I understand that people like Joe Rogan are too friendly with conservatives nowadays and this is just sad to see.

>>26574
>the freedom of expression warrior types
The free speech advocates are the new SJWs…

>>26574
First of all, do you have a source to Bunka interview? Is there a way to read the Asahi one without paying?

Second, that just comes off as pure wimpy cope given that we're already in the "ok, but all of it is bad and needs to go" phase, Japan included. The way he went "this is just how it is under capitalism" in the Asahi article also sounds like Twitter autopilot where you're not addressing the fact that the supposed "anti-capitalists" are also pushing for censorship, or the fact that you yourself are defending it as a supposed anti-capitalist. And this brings me to >>26578 - I'd say the "trad" conservatives who do their own deranged crybullying are the new SJWs, not the ones who oppose censorship of erotic content (though the latter do have their issues). Himasora Akane sounds like a dumbass who says genuine incel shit still, but you don't need to suck his dick to take a stand against all the dumb shit that's been attached to the JCP. The ballsy thing to do is to just say "both are bad" - Yamamoto simply sounds like a coward who doesn't want to rock the boat too much so he says "the bad stuff my people are doing is not a big deal" (even invokes "just watch porn" which is a terrible opinion… doubly so if you're a port artist yourself!) Again I wouldn't even care if he wasn't a great artist. I've seen some random loli artist take the same stances on Twitter and didn't really give a shit.

I'd honestly be 100% fine with the stance of "yeah just don't plaster that all over in public" but everything is a dumbass slippery slope now. If influential conservatives came out and said "we need to get rid of sexual content in public" I wouldn't think that's too suspicious *in a vacuum*, but given who it's coming from OBVIOUSLY there's more to it. I'm not gonna make an exception for SWERF/radfem types cuz the JCP adopted them.
>>26565
Then again, Otokogumi's Tetsu Kariya is very old and is involved with Norikoenet, which seems to roll with these general puritanical views, so maybe that makes my theory go to shit. On the other hand he's like 83 years old, probably joined them for anti-racist/anti-imperialist reasons (he's been a hardcore "fuck the emperor" guy for eons and made multiple works about it), and the last tweet Norikoenet has about him is from 8 freaking years ago, so I dunno if he's actually invested in this subject. Himasora Akane supporters like to call him a hypocrite for being involved, but does he even have the strength left to do what Yamamoto Yohane did? Does he even KNOW what the fuck is going on with regards to stupid culture war shit?

>>26575
I disagree with the idea that it's IMPOSSIBLE to remain that way but it's very rare to find people who truly, genuinely stand by it and don't end up making exceptions for stupid behavior as long as it comes from the side they're more inclined towards. Even if they exist they largely will keep quiet and not get involved with public discourse - those who do are EXTREMELY rare. You probably need to have a more than slightly unusual brain to always call things out no matter what, and in the end you'll just end up looking like this guy to most people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5rHthCXoA - I should know. Joe Rogan is a pretty good example of that. You don't NEED to move to the right if you're becoming disillusioned with the modern left but it's pretty clear that's what's going on.

I also think "centrist" is kind of a misnomer. As shown by the Yamamoto Yohane example from earlier you can be a full-blown Marxist and still criticize misguided ideas on your side. But again you probably need to be more than a little autistic to not "go with the flow" and always be critical. But I also think people like that are important.

>>26579
>d say the "trad" conservatives who do their own deranged crybullying are the new SJWs, not the ones who oppose censorship of erotic content
I was being ironic.

>>26580
>Even if they exist they largely will keep quiet and not get involved with public discourse - those who do are EXTREMELY rare.
Well, we're still here, anon. Even with the influx of both conservative and radlib posters on this site, I still oppose both wokeness and conservatism equally, even if it's a chore to do. I even oppose Z posters here which is almost anathema. There is still enough pushback on this particular site, although I understand how it becomes harder and harder with each and every day, as I am more afraid of conflicts or getting my words misinterpreted or getting called a reactionary or a NATO shill (I hate both reactionaries and NATO). If it keeps happening I might leave but I don't think this imageboard is at its lowest state yet, it's probably one of the only places where we can even have these types of arguments still (which explains the low popularity of the "both sides are bad" position).
>As shown by the Yamamoto Yohane example from earlier you can be a full-blown Marxist and still criticize misguided ideas on your side.
That's why I said "cultural centrism" instead of "economic." Tbh, it's not necessary to be a cultural centrist to oppose culture warriors (post-leftists are a good example), it's just the next best thing for people who aren't really politically and philosophically educated.

>>26579
Bunka interview https://bunkaonline.jp/archives/280. There were some screencaps of the full Asahi one around when it was released, but I can't find them anymore. lots of screencaps from the QRT's on the original article tweet of important bits of the article https://x.com/asahi/status/1713821591585558551. will reply to some of your points later though

>>24707
Returning to this
>i can see articles going back to 2003 in the red flag calling for some form of AV regulation
>here's the largest anti-porn org PAPs plastered all over the red flag
Did their articles around 2003 say "we need to ban all of it"? The porn industry is known for being abusive as hell so "some form of regulation" is a good thing. The problem with PAPS is they don't differentiate between abusive practices and the idea that porn in and of itself, whether it's an abusive corporation, Onlyfans-tier stuff or just posting images on Twitter.
>>26491
They were never known as the Women's Action network. Different groups.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8D%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E5%A9%A6%E4%BA%BA%E3%81%AE%E4%BC%9A
>>24695
>Reminder the only reason Australia moved against it was cause the JCP member Kazuko Ito lobbied Australian lawmakers for it
Just how involved is she with the JCP really? There are two people with the same name after all:
https://www.jcp-tokyo.net/page-97694
https://x.com/KazukoIto_Law

The latter (the one we're talking about) only mentioned the JCP three times in her entire tweeting history.

Also for what it's worth, she denied that she was the mastermind behind it all https://x.com/KazukoIto_Law/status/1234512691470860288

>>24868
they're not weird. they're like right wingers anywhere else in the world: hypocrites

Main takeaway from this thread is that leftists desperately need to stop being annoying moralists and driving away people with major cultural cache no matter how icky we may find them.
This of course is never going to happen.

>>26738
i dont disagree but saying this in a thread about artists is funny, like theres anything to be gained in bothering with them as a communist

>>26740
I'm not so stupid as to think we can win just by having the artists on our side, but we're talking about people who produce stuff that gets seen by literal millions, often tens of millions; that's not nothing. Zero percent of communism has been built, we gain more from having these people as propagandists than from trying to ban drawings of big titty women.

>>26742
lol propaganda. every idiot here always places ideas before reality. and quoting a fucking video game?

before i get the usual reply theres a huge difference between IRL agitating and educating proletarians who are already mobilizing and vaguely leftoid media made by and for the middle class. morons always want to pat themselves in the back for doing irrelevant shit because their class position makes them completely impotent

>>26743
>and quoting a fucking video game?
A quote you recognized :^)
>every idiot here always places ideas before reality
And everyone who pretends to have read Marx thinks proles will automatically become revolutionary when the right time comes and no effort is needed to persuade or direct them, after all they'll be "already mobilizing". Guess we'll just see how that works out!

>>26730
>Just how involved is she with the JCP really?
She is VP of Human rights now! https://hrn.or.jp/eng/about/board-members/, the president is Niikura Osamu, who is more closely linked with the JCP, endorses them, and does seminars for them. Both are apart of the attorney associations IADL and JALISA, you'll see all their names sat right beside rows of JCP members if you look up any petition letter from them directed at the government. You'll just find anyone associated with the tokyo attorney bar linked with the JCP. It's no coincidence the same politician she met with made the call to ban it a few days after the meeting or perhaps it's the NGO that should shoulder the blame
>>26579
>Tetsu Kariya
He has been travelling china for the past for years championing the uyghur issue, he's really invested into it and I'm not sure if norikoenet cares for it or not

>>25179
>>25270
I don't think it's just Fukumoto at all. Rieko Saibara seems to have… a LOT of pull, and loves to promote her husband. Even happily posed at Yasukuni Shrine with him https://x.com/katsuyatakasu/status/897314859414466561 (for a little bonus, check out the Japanese people getting mad at him in the quote-tweets for uh… being a fake far-right grifter who's not treating the trip seriously enough & not honoring the glorious WW2 heroes properly; they seem madder than the leftists shitting on the tweet hilariously enough!)

As for the aforementioned "pull", just look at all the authors listed here, willing to contribute to a project that regularly promotes Takasu including Fujiko Fujio A, Hagio Moto, Makoto Kobayashi (the What's Michael guy, we already know the mech guy heils Hitler but he WASN'T there), Takashi Murakami, Hisashi Eguchi, Takashi Yanase, George Morikawa, Keiko Takemiya, Chica Umino, Tomoko Ninomiya, Tooru Fujisawa, and many oth- wait, fucking Naoki Yamamoto was there? Holy shit! https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B07KND8PRB

What's more, one of the main hosts of the drawing events this book series covers (where her husband was often present) is… Shinjuku Loft Plus One. I assumed Loft Project were pretty hard left as an open secret given their support of Masao Adachi, but it looks like they were fine hosting Takasu at the very least between 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huxsq7228dI&ab_channel=kaijijiji337 and 2014 https://natalie.mu/comic/news/130217

By the way, Adachi's Revolution+1 event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0oMt3bsDCc took place in the exact same room.

Now you might say, "Didn't Takasu go far right around 2015-17?" - not really! He announced his love of Hitler on his blog aaaaaaalllll the way back in 2008 (earlier than what Japanese Wikipedia acknowledges), then elaborated further upon it in two future posts in 2009 to make sure you know he wasn't doing it a bit, including a post with the extremely subtle dogwhistle title of "Heil Hitler":
https://ameblo.jp/drtakasu/entry-10129011524.html
https://ameblo.jp/drtakasu/entry-10325631939.html
https://ameblo.jp/drtakasu/entry-10325803640.html

Then, also before that final Loft event, he made a shitload of fucking tweets about Hitler as if the deal needed to be further sealed. Someone even put a bunch of them together as a "hey, this guy is a pretty big fan of Hitler" statement so there was already drama over it. Again note Masao Adachi affiliates Loft Project platformed him AFTER said drama.
https://posfie.com/@shshsh1237/p/UcrCnjd
https://x.com/search?q=from%3Akatsuyatakasu%20%E3%83%92%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC&src=typed_query&f=live

Does this mean the manga/anime industry is full of secret nazis, including Rieko's friends who built a left-wing image for themselves? Honestly I doubt it, about as much as I doubt supporters of Nobuhiro Watsuki (or those who simply kept silent about his immense number of supporters) all collect child porn or have sex with children. I think it's more likely that politeness & desire to not rock the boat overrides dunking on a well-established industry friend for marrying & constantly promoting a neo-nazi (or even just refusing to be involved with a project where she featured him heavily). Make of that what you will.

>>28414
So… this guy is some openly nazi worshipping surgeon from what i could find and he seems to be very friendly with mangaka cause his wife is a popular kids mangaka? even in trumps america you would be ostracized for that shit tbh, japan is just built dif. Also that twitter account is still updating!

>>28417
Seems more like "everyone ignored their friend's husband thought Hitler was a superhero and she'd obviously been picking up his views" lol. But apparently there's been controversy of her abusing her daughter around 2022 so maybe that caused extra backlash? Still, something really hilarious about the people who funded Masao Adachi's "the guy who killed Shinzo Abe was a hero, fuck this sick country" movie also hosting this nazi guy at one of their famous venues for 5 years while he was constantly tweeting & blogging "Hitler was a stand up guy".

Though I'd say a lot of the media & entertainment industry ignoring Taki Mag & the circles around it is a pretty close America equivalent.

>>28439
This guy posted more, showing how a bunch of JP/KR speaking youtubers are right wing so anyone in Japan trying to learn more about Korea is solely getting introduced through a right lens

>>28440
Yeah, I read into it and the 2 youtubers she mentions weren't Japanese… but popular right-wing Korean YouTubers?? And she is literally a big part of the Japanese government's cool Japan campaign(like Anno Hideaki) so she's always been involved with rw affairs, so this isn't some abrupt and new thing from her. I did learn Akio Otsuka(voice actor for Japanese Metal Gear Solid Snake) and Ayana Taketatsu share very similar views.

>>28439
>>28440
Well first of all which mangaka did that? I really don't give a shit about voice actors' views since they don't impact the actual narrative content of a work; good directors with a strong vision will make them do what benefits the ideas already set in stone.

Second I don't think the problem is them being "tricked" it's that people are emotional and stupid so after seeing a lot of annoying left-leaning people online they're easily converted to spiteful right-wing views. I know Jeffrey has been obnoxiously culture warry before, like equating Tezuka's leftism to disrespectful US localizer practices to defend the latter (despite that Tezuka dunked on scoldy white people multiple times & had to deal with insane US localizers for the Jungle Emperor anime). So it's like, yeah she's a stereotypical asshole Japanese nationalist but guys like him helped give gaijins & leftists unlikable optics in the mainstream.

rurouni kenshinss mangaka is a pedophile

>>28439
oofskie, Megumi Ogata covering for her, certainly a vibe shift from American VA political leanings and Japanese ones
>>28445
Japanese are more lenient on pedophilia than xenophobia and racism

>>28445
Dude got caught with so much cp they though he was making it and just got a fine
Then someone mangaka invited him to his kids birthday party right after that

>>28417
>>28414
Looking more into Loft Project & people like Yu Hirano and Kato Umezo, that whole company's kinda odd. Hirano insists "we accept conservatives as long as they're not outright bigots" (which tends to result in them hosting people considered cuckservatives in netouyo circles) yet they gave a platform to the Zaitokukai before that (in a "reasonable conservative vs crazy radicals debate" context, but does it really matter when you advertise their far-right website on your website's announcement of the live show?), the exact group they later rejected on that basis (maybe due to backlash the first time, who knows). They also hosted Noriaki Hanada multiple times, a dude with ties to Happy Science and the Unification Church https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8A%B1%E7%94%B0%E7%B4%80%E5%87%B1 (the latter's particularly noteworthy given the Masao Adachi Abe assassination movie they funded, which honed in hugely on the Unification Church and how he deserved to get owned for that)

Umezo seems more serious about his politics than Hirano but the whole thing kinda gives me a vibe of wanting to maintain a "subculture/anti-establishment" vibe while not being super-serious about it & ultimately wanting to make money, which is probably why they hosted Takasu for so long even after he became well-known as a Hitler simp.

>>28863
Oh for fuck's sake I also just found out Yamamoto Yohane >>26496 did sex pest shit at an anti-racist group (forcibly hugged & kissed a woman https://x.com/01sep1923/status/662577120854470656) and then immediately went to cry about the group he was expelled from at Loft Radio (with Hirano taking a centrist hands-off "hey we're all against racism, what's the problem lol" perspective) https://x.com/yu_hirano/status/667292143711449088

I need to just default to "creators are horrible people" and go from there in the future

>>28445
>>28460
No evidence of that Ive seen yet. Western media loves shitting on the Japanese. Proper meaning of pedophilia is not a sexual predator but sexual attraction to prepubertal children.

What I heard but haven't verified yet is he had a DVD he had bought long ago legally he had forgotten about so he didnt get to dispose of it when laws changed around 2018 I think it was. It's anyone's guess what was on it but from what I've read of these kind of things it likely was pretty mild, teenagers in skimpy outfits doing suggestive poses but nothing that graphic since they would have had to comply with other laws at the time in order to even be available. Again I remind you pedophilia is attraction to prepubertal and very early children so under 11 basically. Even if it were that young it wouldn't be clear on the motive since artists like having anatomical references but even if not and actual attraction, so what? It isn't something people choose to feel. You're no different than any rightoid or glowie that uses slanderous talk to shut down opponents. It's always being brought up by politicians and religious organizations looking for a power grab for a good reason because it makes for a docile compliant masses to give up every right to privacy and ability to dissent they have.

It's so funny to think I'm the one who started and spread the myth of the Youjo Senki larper author being some sort of socialist and screenshots of my /a/ threads are still posted on social media as evidence.

>>28866
ahh yeah, forgot this thread im the one who brought up Yamamoto in the first place and then i learned that later as well lmao, lots of leftists lambasted him in his later years as being a far-righter and stuff cause he started dabbling into culture war stuff and trans topics, i actually feel he may have backed akane himasora if he was still around
>>28871
i see that screencap all the time, amazing gaslight tbh. This is a guy whos favourite hobby is ECONOMIC THEORY, he loves talking about socialism, capitalism, so his works feature it heavily especially the LN versions of it, so I don't really blame people as his works do touch upon leftist economics, it's just Tanya saga specifically spends pages shitting on it or the guy is a self admitted chicago school liberal who complains about parties leaning to far-left

>>28871
"The cartoon agrees with me" is lame in general; no, the goofy genderbend isekai light novel isn't an endorsement of fascism & no, writing a series from a communist perspective does not make one a communist. Not surprising he's a military otaku who's politically centrist.
>>28872
The thing is if he went "yeah I did it, oh well, here is why they SUCK" mere days after the accusation god knows what else he did. His criticism of the modern left that I read was valid in a vacuum (didn't exactly scour all his statements & controversies though & haven't come across trans comments at all except dunking on terfs) but it's immediately counterable with "dude you're a sex pest, shut up".

>>28869
>no evidence I've seen
>what I heard but haven't verified is he had a DVD he had forgotten about
I think you meant he had 100± DVDs of that stuff, and that he specifically had a preference for 10-13 aged girls. This guy was a full sleazebag with no argument about it. The only thing rightoids, glowies, religious people and politicians have to do with pedos is that they are the ones being called out.

>>28875
What is your source? Xitter? Even if so, so what? Virtue signaling is what made authoritarian rightoids surge in numbers over the past decade. Keep it up and maybe there will be a global feminist fascist theocracy in a few years. Just stop caring about other people's thoughts and feelings.

>>28888
?? we playing games here, cause he was arrested for having numerous DVDs containing explicit content depicting girls and it wasnt that idol smut as that still is still being actively produced without care

no one should get too invested in certain artists being leftists. you are sure to be let down. social injustices and geopolitical commentary are bound to appear in works of art not because artists are necessarily leftists but because living under capitalism we all are routinely witnesses to the same mundane evils. whether artists or consumers have the proper framework to understand their solution is a separate matter.

i think in japan especially, due to pressure to conform, and weak to non existent promotion of the humanities in higher education (possibly even discouragement due to them being useless compared to stem and business), few people are equipped or want to analyze art through that lens. hearing some old japanese people talk about strikes or students movements they were once a part of is depressing. they almost all say something like "it was youthful foolishness. i should have conformed." and well of course they eventually did.

>>28894
From what I've seen from academic types, these days they're more likely to just be modern US-style liberals who talk about topical culture war stuff. Mind you a lot of the showa-era leftists definitely could've used more socially liberal values (even Tezuka did shit like basically drawing and treating woman athletes like ugly men when talking about hormone levels, in a manga I forgot the name of) but the class focus seems much rarer now.

>>28893
So when asked for a source you failed to provide one. Japan reports crimes even very mild ones because they do it as a sort of public shaming. So something being heard of does not mean it was a big thing and again if it was that much and those ages, so what? There is no evidence of him going around kidnapping, prostituting or raping kids or anything that actually matters and he already faced his penalty. You make it sound like you want to invade Japan and rule over the Japanese people because they didn't hang him for something you've yet to even prove with good sources what he was actually charged for, not even a bad source just your own word. I don't even have a personal stake in this since I don't know the guy and havent read his manga and have not currently watched any of the anime adaptations either. I just am tired of this kind of rhetoric and hearing about the same guy for what has it been years? This mindset has dragged on over a decade now non stop a rehash of the Satanic panic of the 90s and I find this kind of witch hunt counter productive for any leftists because it always is used by glowies and rightoids at their advantage because they are the most paranoia focused and even when used against them they just turn the tables again and again because in the end it has nothing to do with political ideology. This liberal game of cancelling people and obsessing over their personal lives with no real information about them has got to end. It is the greatest psyop of all since it allows shutting down anyone. It is no different from mindless celebrity worship but actually worse because it just brings negativity and is used for political manipulation bringing people to docile compliance. I'd say just drop the topic it is off topic anyway.

>>28901
>Nobuhiro Watsuki tells police “I liked girls between the ages of upper elementary school students to about the second year of junior high.”
no need for the walls of text, he was literally found guilty for it and pleaded guilty, and that's all there is to it https://soranews24.com/2017/11/22/creator-of-rurouni-kenshin-anime-manga-admits-to-possession-of-child-pornography/

>>28902
Alright good enough source even though they are registered in California, since I don't want to bother looking deeper right now and it is technically Japanese owned. That does not negate the points I made on the issue of this kind of obsession. Also 2017? It has been that long I've been hearing people bring this up ?

>>28904
Nta but I haven't heard jack about this case since 2017 till it was brought up here

>>28902
I didn't understand why the amount of outrage about this at the time, he didn't hurt anyone, he legally bought child porn before it was criminalized in japan, and then got arrested for possessing it after it was made contraband, was judged guilty, and paid the fine. It's really just that mundane.

I remember seeing western anime fans all over the internet emoting nonsense like "IM NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO WATCH RURONI KENSHIN AGAIN UGH I THINK IMA GONNA BE SICK!!1!!11" Like why should that even matter to your perception of a fictional story about something completely unrelated, like a meiji era swordsman? Mental illness. Also I remember seeing people demand a boycot of all his past and future works, as well as the works of anyone who still associated with him, or didn't "denounce" him which I'm sure was just more virtue signaling, because that would mean basically putting off watching anime or reading manga all together lol

>>29179
Yes, back in the 2000s and earlier 2010s before all this brainwashing of social media algorithms no one would have gave a damn. I hate this timeline of fake morality.

>>29179
Still not gonna watch it

>>29179
>he didn't hurt anyone, he legally bought child porn
Read this back to yourself and still tell me no one is hurt when you support an industry that exploits kids.

>>29204
>Read this back to yourself and still tell me no one is hurt when you support an industry that exploits kids.

What makes what he did any worse than buying a smart phone? That cadmium used in whatever device you happen to be using to post was probably scratched out of the ground by the bare hands of some African child that is at least being brutally physically exploited, and most likely sexually too.

>>29208
Surely you can do better than that

>>29210
Not an argument.

>>29213
Im not arguing

>>29214
I accept your concession.