No.23155
There are some people who have what could be described as “fandom” brain, for these individuals ideology is a fandom and the idea of their favorite celebrity being part of this fandoms makes them happy.
People are also obsessed with moralising their consumerism thus seeking to use the author and their alleged ideologies as a way to justify their consumption of something. In this case people justifying their consumption of a shitty edgelord isekai trough the claim that the author is a communist satirising reactionaries. Which of course is very unlikely if you are familiar with the work.
No.23159
you'll find a lot of artists and mangaka that love the aesthetics of communism, look up moe-miri its an overwhelmingly right wing circle but the amount of ppl in that circle that sport Stalin PFPs is surprising. Anyone supporting the military in Japan I can 100% guarantee you they arent communists.
No.23161
>>23155>There are some people who have what could be described as “fandom” brain, for these individuals ideology is a fandom and the idea of their favorite celebrity being part of this fandoms makes them happy.Precisely. Although leftists, like most other people who hold strong political opinions (including centrists), don't really come to their conclusion through cold reason either, it's usually some appeal to morality or something akin to this.
No.23162
>>23154The manga artists are so brainwashed smh. It's like I'm reading the Lobster King's tweets.
No.23163
>>23159So basically, Japan is Russia?
No.23164
"Social democrat dressed in red aesthetics goes full fascist" is a tale as old as time, just look at ᴉuᴉlossnW who called Lenin an "authoritarian" when the Russian revolution happened, lmfao.
No.23165
>>23164>just look at ᴉuᴉlossnW who called Lenin an "authoritarian"Perhaps he didn't care that much about anti-authoritarianism in the first place, he always prioritized the welfare of his nation.
No.23167
>>23165 (me)
It kinda reminds me of libsoc radlibs who claim to be anti-authoritarians but in reality are prioritizing the welfare of minorities and will be just as ruthless when they'll get in power as ᴉuᴉlossnW was.
No.23169
>>23163in general most kyosan-shumi whether in japan or abroad are either socdems or the most insane rightoids you've ever met
No.23170
>>23167>Wow you don't want to lynch minorities? Literally fascismFucking hate this gay ass world.
No.23189
>>23154To be fair, tanya the evil can very easily be read as communist, or at the very least anti-capitalist. The whole premise is that a hyper capitalist japanese businessman who's a firm believer in social darwinism and meritocracy becomes a massively successful war criminal in proto-fascist Germany. Tanya, who is an anti-communist herself, is portrayed as an objectively bad person, being actively punished by literally God. Hell, the story even delves into the tragedy and horrors of war, and how it perpetuates cycles of endless mindless violence that corrupts even the kindest souls.
Of fucking course people would think the author is some kind of leftist. It's kind of insane that he isn't.
No.23190
>>23189did you watch the movie where the studio in charge went "actually tanya is le based anticommie"
No.23191
>>23170cool greentext strawman to show you couldnt understand a simple one sentence post. the use of "minorities" doesnt even pertain to marxism anyway
No.23192
>>23190the light novels are way less sympathetic to tanya and her psychopathic ways iirc
No.23196
>>23189>To be fair, tanya the evil can very easily be read as communistI wouldn't say that, since Zen very clearly has a low opinion of the Soviet Union. Some form of anti-capitalism as well as criticism of hyper-individualism is definitely there though.
>Tanya, who is an anti-communist herself, is portrayed as an objectively bad person, being actively punished by literally God. She's also portrayed as a hypocrite who doesn't even believe in her own ideological principles, and is guilty of the things she accuses her enemies of. She hates commies because they supposedly kill people who aren't opposing them, yet she goes out of her way to massacre civilians and slip by on technicalities. She openly says that she would be okay with taking away other people's freedom as long as nobody takes hers, etc. These behaviours are also self destructive, since all her efforts to secure a peaceful position in the rear by doling out more violence only push her further into harm's way, and cause her enemies to multiply and become more determined. Her obstinate refusal to acknowledge anything outside of her own ego literally dooms not just her but the Empire.
>>23192They also go into more detail about how miserable she is during the whole affair. Remember that this reincarnation was intended as a punishment, and it is effective as one. This is somewhat lost in the anime since they don't get into the internal monolgues as much.
No.23233
>>23159The communist aura was powerful enough for me to notice it when I was a libertarian/nazi teenager. I was like the one person who actually said that the USSR was based back when I was heavily into the black metal youtube scene. Just cuz I liked their aesthetics, to be fair I also liked nazism back in the days so eh.
The aesthetics of the ussr and a few communist/socialist countries have a certain homely sort of vibe which is missing in a lot of right-wing media. Even their depictions of joe schmoe tend to be rife with extravagance and pomp. Which is why Rosanne was such a popular tv show in the 80's.
>>23225what is this from/about?
No.23234
>>23159just like euronymous lol
No.23242
>>23170>Wow you don't want to lynch minorities? Literally fascismWhere the hell did you see this nonsense? Jeez, people on the Internet are so dumb.
>>23180I'm referring to those """"""anarchists"""""" whose political program isn't really that different from any authoritarian but they're gonna send you to labor camps for not being
obedient progressive enough instead of holding different political opinions. Not talking about any anarchists or socberts, just the modern ones. Posties are cool too.
No.23260
Does anti Korean = anti leftist? Cause I can point you to a lot of vile anti Korean mangaka.
No.23263
>>23260Anti-racism isn't synonymous with leftism but racism is reactionary and is used to justify capitalist exploitation so it can be tied to anti-communism very easily.
No.23271
>>23261I think it's ironic when Japanese rightoids are homophobic or transphobic, when homophobia was basically forced by the west on Japan.
No.23273
>>23267just like nick land lmao
honestly this whole thread demonstrates that media having 'leftist themes' is fucking meaningless
No.23274
>>23267I think the far-right promises you the ability to be boring while also getting edgelord cred
No.23275
>>23274>far-rightstop talking like a lib
No.23283
Back to this site again…The ideas and ideologies that people have are heavily influenced by the environments that said people are in and have been in, and the contradictions of some authors' society also can manifest in their works. This is like the basic Marxist explanation, no? Subjugated to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and the Western empire that Japan is, there isn't much surprise to be expected that the tendency generally of popular culture industry is not revolutionary, nor is there much to be surprised about over the worthlessness of many ostensibly radical Japanese political organizations, as if even the bourgeois political parties in Japan, while their sovereignty is nonexistent and territory is by American bases occupied, could exercise much in the way of revolutionary policies; further, the presence of "anti-capitalist" hints or the allegation of aesthetic sympathies for revolution does not necessarily mean that there is substantial/substantive revolutionary socialist content in the works put into question. To not like capitalism is easy to claim, but to supply the constructive and revolutionary project that sublates the capitalist regime is far more difficult, on top of which importantly should, for the Communist, it be understood that the pace of socialist construction and the development of socialist consciousness don't necessarily have to match. Many fascists, anarchists, or Westernized Marxists sell themselves as anti-capitalist ideologues and trenchant social critics, but then ultimately degenerate into partisans of the bourgeoisie's liberal order, at the times when the red lines get to be really marked out. Also to slightly digress to another topic, to demand that the popular media that you consoom must be "leftist" sort of has the vibe of Hegel's "beautiful-soul", which does not come off like very the happy way to live.
At the flip side, that reflected over the origin, Russia is superstructurally supposed to be pro-capitalistic, yet its geopolitics, the organization of its economy, and the ways that its officials think indicate that the legacy of the Soviet Union continues not merely at superficial level there.
>suggestions for sociaIist culture worksIf you want socialist media stuff, then succeed in the Communist revolution and also check out the works from the ecosystems of Soviet Union, China, and such (potentially Russia also?).
>>23271The antagonistic polarization of politics on questions of sexuality is quite imported from Western cultural discourse, but it is not as though the non-West and non-white cultures did not possess the notion that heterosexuality was the norm, and excessive controversy over LGBTQ on both sides of the cultural conflict are Westernistic phenomena, because most Asian cultures would be heteronormative but neither loudly anti-homosexuality nor pro-homosexuality, as the emphasis would be on the harmony of society. The president of Russia, also, had not very different the opinion on those issues, conservative and still respectful of difference, it is said. That the American culture wars and their considerable psychoticness, in any case, have poisoned worldwide discourse is another pernicious consequence of liberal hegemony.
>>23273And here is the obligatory, for anyone interested: https://open.substack.com//pub/karimibnrashid/p/only-the-proleteriat-can-commit-suicide ? To be fair, somewhat fairly justifiable criticism of the experimental vaccines also came from the Left's people, or some progressive tendencies of the world at least, like the president of Venezuela, N. Maduro, & other, & even some people from the PSL had criticized, from the Web at least, the attempts of pharmaceutical companies to profiteer off the deliveries of boosters & such. And mask mandates are better to demand than vaccine mandates, because vaccines cannot be easily swapped on and off, like the former. No.23284
>>23283>Russia is leftistYou can claim that China is leftist but this is so incredibly stupid that it makes me want to die just to not see this shit take ever again.
I hate this site sometimes.
No.23287
>>23283>>23284>a country can be 'leftist' at allWhat a useless descriptor, holy shit.
No.23289
tfw your favorite nsfw artist with 130k followers is an old TERF that retweets anti trans shit all day
No.23292
>>23291brb joining the jsdf
No.23302
>>23291japanese boomer fascists must be having strokes from stuff like this.
No.23304
>>23302sadamoto completely vanished following this post, he hasn't worked much since. The korean backlash was massive, Evangelion is just as big there as it is in japan
No.23313
>>23301>>23304Well, that explains why Sadamoto was AWOL for the latter half of the Rebuilds.
No.23316
>>23311>>23314>>23315Personally, I think that HOTD is so over the top in its fascist wankery it feels like it was written as a parody of what a fascist manga would look like. There's no subtlety in anything.
No.23318
>>23311Based anime director.
No.23327
>>23316>I think that HOTD is so over the top in its fascist wankery it feels like it was written as a parody of what a fascist manga would look like.People say that about a lot of stuff, but its pretty hard to distinguish between an "ironic" portrayal of fascism that's really over the top and the ravings of some retard who actually thinks like that. At least with Tanya the Evil there are the obvious self-destructive outcomes of her actions which indicate that the story isn't an endorsement of her views, even if Carlo Zen is a lib.
No.23328
>>23316Unlikely, fashoids are just extremely retarded, like very retarded. They believe in atlantis and shit. Here is an american movie that was made by burger vets , please read the plot synopsis:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_15 No.23333
>>23328Righwingers constantly bemoan how degenerate modern entertainment is, but the moment they get to create anything all their psychosexual pathologies spill out and the product is the genuinely repulsive garbage. Like look at the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro wanted to represent "conservative values" lacking in mainstream movies, and what filmography did they produce? Shitty exploitation movies and low-brow comedies.
No.23334
>>23333"Conservative values" are about being vulgar and unfunny.
No.23337
>>23333Exactly! This happens everywhere, and it seems like their “comedies” are especially cruel, like they will have scenes of character abusing each other and we are expected to laugh just because.
No.23341
remember when the uzaki chan creator retweeted some far right garbage that antifa was dressed up as Trump supporters and invading the capital lmao
No.23346
>>23341>a Jap caring about American politicsWhat the Internet does to an mf, smh.
No.23350
>>23346Watch Japanese news channels on youtube. There's always at least one report about what's happening in America. It's not just a case of internet poisoning.
No.23353
>>23341It occurred around when all the libs were screaming uzaki=pedo and I always wondered if they pushed the creator towards that shit.
No.23364
>>23350News poisoning. Got it.
No.23367
>>23366>I also recall the creator going hard on the communist party for wanting to ban loli porn.Huh, what's that gotta do with communism?
I wish political parties could just hone in on their main objective without slowing down a thousand different sidequests that add to the list of things for voters to factor in.
No.23369
>>23364It's called "being a vassal state".
No.23370
>>23350Not japan exclusive, pretty much all countries televise a lot of mews from america. America has succesfully put itself into the center of the world and people from other countries have no choice but to consume american media/news etc.
No.23371
>>23367Unfortunately, many leftist political parties focus more on conservative/progressive policies than anything else, that's just the reality of things.
No.23372
>>23370This is stupid, people care more about American nothingburgers than what's going on in their own country. I am aware of what's going on in America too but I don't have such a bizarre hyperfixation on it, news are supposed to be informative. Instead it's just some irrelevant events and culture war nonsense. Like, I wouldn't even expect the Japs to
know about the Capitol Hill storming, let alone have an opinion on it.
Why can't people be like Hideo Kojima, Hiroyuki Imaishi and Hirohiko Araki and borrow influences from the American and European culture instead of Atlanticist politics?
No.23375
>>23370Sure, but in most countries they do it when something really relevant happens.
>>23372>Like, I wouldn't even expect the Japs to know about the Capitol Hill storming, let alone have an opinion on it.But that was a big thing, you can't compare it to culture war nonsense.
No.23376
>>23375Yes, big… in America. And why are the Japs even discussing it? Why do they care so much? I have no clue.
No.23377
>>23376you have no idea how huge january 6 was. Yes in reality it was just bunch of dumbasses messing around, but for a moment entire lib population of the
world thought that the apocalypse had begun. Liberals in nato countries are terrified of to the slight possibility of trump winning the next us elections. America is the center of the world for free market supporters.
No.23378
>>23376A bunch of retarded rednecks assaulted the Parliament of the (unfortunately) most powerful nation of earth, I think it makes sense for people outside the USA to care.
No.23379
>>23377>>23378Fair but libs are shittin' and pissin' every single time Trump and his supporters do something outrageous so I wouldn't assume whatever they view as the "apocalypse" to be a serious issue, lol.
No.23383
I work at a toyota plant in the us with a lot of Japanese workers. I was just in the lunch room and one of them was watching a youtube video about Trump on his laptop.
No.23384
>>23367The crazy thing this happened right before a massive election and they did terribly. They backtracked a little after and said they didn't want to ban it but would work to teach people that loli=CSEM and artists should be taught that it's not good to create it and they hope they would self-regulate it out of existence.
I don't support banning lolishit cause it's impossible to enforce, but I support the alternative solution they ended up falling back on.
No.23385
>>23377>Liberals in nato countries are terrified Hate to bust you bubble, but nobody outside of US cares.
No.23386
>>23366>Didn't the later tanya movies and mangaka go really hard on the anti communist themes?Yeah but not much more so than that volume of the LN. Tayna's seething hatred of communism is there in the books, but like everything else it comes back to bite her in the ass. It's just that the movie left off before that happened. Keep in mind that Zen has a fairly normie tier understanding of Soviet performance in WW2, which is that it was hopelessly inept at the start but became more effective over time. This is how the war on the Eastern Front plays out in the books as well.
The real test of whether the anime will remain true to the critical elements of the books will be how they handle season 2, which should sync up with volume 5 when shit really starts going downhill for the Empire.
No.23390
>>23385Idk what you are talking about, where I live people are pretty fucking obsessed with US, politicians were discussing the possibility of Trump winning as if it would mean the end of Nato.
No.23392
>>23390In 2016, kind of, but nobody cares about January 6th, and right now, also nobody seems to care about Trump winning again.
No.23394
>>23390Hm, I said that I don't understand why Japan is obsessed with US politics but then I remember that the only four topic the news in my country show are wars, the president, America being evil and how the Sleepy Joe is SO UNHEALTHY and how Trump is LE CHAD. But then again, is something like that on Japanese national television? If so then maybe the LDP wants to gain support from Republicans.
No.23400
>>23394>Hm, I said that I don't understand why Japan is obsessed with US politicsThey are US puppet state with no independent politics, why wouldn't they be?
No.23404
>>23400Well, I didn't expect it to be
that dependent on the US. It has its own culture and national interests
I assumed.It's the ultimate L for all netouyos, lmao. Imagine a country being such a doormat.
No.23408
>>23404Lately they've been obsessed with kurdish refugees ruining Japan.
No.23413
>>23408Wait, is LDP just the Republican Party but Japanese?
>>23409>LDP has a dedicated PR guy who collabs with pretty cureWhy Pretty Cure?
No.23414
>>23413The LDP is the LDP. Stop trying to fit everything into America.
No.23416
>>23414Well, it's just that non-American conservative parties copy Republican rhetoric often. It's not me trying to fit everything into America, it's just an observational fact. Modern conservatism, like capitalism and globalism, has its source in America. Though, like with capitalism, bombing America doesn't mean conservatism will disappear out of existence.
No.23417
>>23413>Wait, is LDP just the Republican Party but Japanese?It's a big tent of right-wing factions and probably has some crazy republican rhetoric deep down but all that anti-vaccine/anti-ukraine rhetoric is ostracized. It's still a horridly scandal-ridden party
>Why Pretty CureIt's to do with the LDP's Cool Japan softpower campaign where it pushes anime on everyone and everything. So every government ministry has some anime collab reppin it. Most ministries also have a vtuber doing promos for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Japan No.23418
>>23417>It's to do with the LDP's Cool Japan softpower campaign where it pushes anime on everyone and everything.Yeah, I get it but why Pretty Cure?
No.23422
>>23418I can only imagine someone in that specific ministry really liked Pretty Cure or the mangaka approached them. A lot of these collabs feel out of place.
No.23423
>>23420He is a new-left member in the series if I remember right. Communist militants formed off student movement groups in Japan, no real relation to the current Japanese Communist Party as they are all about no aggression.
No.23425
>>23423Where are you when we need you so much, Japanarchists? Plz come back. 😢
JAPANESE ANARCHISM NEVER DIES, FUCK THE YAKUZA!! No.23427
>>23422I heard Pretty Cure is huge in Japan across multiple demographics, although I cannot confirm this because I don't live in Japan. I guess it's like Demon Slayer in that regard, it's just something that has such an incredible hype in Japan but it's more of a nerd thing overseas.
No.23428
>>23427Pretty Cure is
the franchise for little girls, and it's popular among otaku and young adult women. It's a children show that can deal with important issue without the cynicism that taints media for teenagers and adults. Of course, this means that jaded adults probably won't like the optimistic outlook of PreCure.
No.23429
>>23428I'm more jaded than most adults so 99.99% of shows feel to me like children's shows feel to other adults. But with that mindset I can only read Lovecraft and Kafka so beggars can't be choosers I guess. Therefore I chose to read whatever I find interesting, no matter how naive. I disagree with most of the stuff that's made anyway so why even care at this point? It's all just liberal propaganda, if I wanted to read something as jaded as me I'd read a philosophy book.
No.23430
>>23429 (me)
Although watching something similar to Lovecraft and Kafka would be pretty based ngl.
No.23431
>>23430 (me)
Also, the idea of magical girls seems pretty interesting to me, and rejecting anything cute and positive is kinda spooked. Why should I reject something just because of its lighthearted atmosphere? If the more lighthearted atmosphere is the main reason why it's targetted at little girls then I see no reason not to watch it, even if I feel a bit awkward about it.
No.23432
>>23431Just keep in mind that the target audience is elementary school girls and you'll be fine.
No.23433
>>23420Pretty sure he's supposed to be a Japanese Red Army member, so he'd be a Maoist.
No.23447
>>23432>Just keep in mind that the target audience is elementary school girls and you'll be fine.That sounds weird. You make it sound like it's some kind of psychological torture.
No.23448
>>23447For some people it can be.
No.23453
>>23451Okay, got it. SpyXF is an LDP propaganda piece. I'm not watching it then. Not like I was interested in Yotsuba&! clones anyway.
No.23456
>>23447That's not what I meant at all.
No.23457
>>23456Okay, I don't get it then. Why should I keep that in mind? Is my experience gonna get worse otherwise?
No.23460
>>23457>Is my experience gonna get worse otherwise?If you approach a show made for children and expect it to be like a show made for adults, yes.
No.23462
>>23460I mean, a show is a show. What is made for adults is not necessarily made for me. There are so many ads and so many people screaming to me: "TRY IT, YOU WILL LIKE THIS!!" and I'm like: "Leave me alone."
No.23473
>>23472>Ghost in the ShellOf course.
>MikuWtf? That's a cute classcuck tho.
>anti-yakuza Dynasty WarriorsWtf? Using feudal lords to fight the yakuza? Yeah, fight fire with fire, why not?
No.23531
>>23524Crying about PC culture? This is fine. BUT BEING A NETTO UYOKU!?
NOW HE'S CROSSED THE LINE. SEND A FIRING SQUAD!
No.23536
>>23389She is still related to the communist party. She is apart of NWA which is a Japanese communist radfem group busy trying to ban porn.
No.23539
>>23524Maybe he should spend more time working on his writing because gantz was terrible.
No.23541
>>23524>>23539Gantz was great. He also wrote a manga about killing 2chaners. How is he right wing?
No.23542
>>23541>>23524For realzies I'd like to hear what you gantz haters consider great manga. I'm open to finding something superior. It better not be some gay shit like One Piece.
No.23544
>>23541Cause he constantly spews right-wing rhetoric? the guy spews some incredibly dumb things that get him trending often in Japan and even western news sites and puts even the most vile anti-feminists to shame. Gantz also starts strong and degrades super fast and I rather enjoyed the vampire arc which most hate
No.23545
>>23541>Gantz was great. I mean if you just like meaningless combat with no story no characters and crappy cg art I guess it's fine
That tall bitch with the big tits was cool though
No.23546
>>23544>the vampire arc The vampires had an arc? I thought he just forgot about them.
No.23600
>>23594Toriyama was an incredibly secluded man. The one political thing he was involved in was the attached image, it got him a lot of hate. He did a bunch of pro-nuclear PR when the entire leftist shtick during the 1970s-1990s was being anti-nuclear and to this day it remains that way.
>>23599Konaka always probably leaned into rw shit from the beginning, but the reason he became non-relevant is due to his close friend Ryutaro Nakamura dying around 2013. The man stopped working around here for a good decade. Also shamwow is now a shitty right-wing political podcast guy? embarrassing!
No.23601
>>23600>The one political thing he was involved in was the attached image, it got him a lot of hate. He did a bunch of pro-nuclear PR Based. All the green anime guys are lame.
No.23620
>>23594Apparently Frieza was based on 1990s Japanese real estate speculators, whom he hated and described as "the worst sort of people."
No.23625
>>23267This one stung the most. Chiaki responded to every single email in depth about anything, especially digimon and now he never responds. Supposedly he's writing for a game called Kowloon curse which looks interesting.
No.23649
>>23271MTF trans mangaka writing anti trans manga is weird and probably abit deeper than just being right wing. Especially with her earlier trans works
No.23650
>>23649might be one of those people who succeed at something and then proceed to integrate into the majority that used to discriminate against them, like how some immigrants will turn into chinlets the moment they see less white immigrants moving in.
No.23711
The climate in Japan is just wild. The dragon quest composer who died was celebrated by everyone in Japan even though he was far-right and super anti-lgbt. In the west he was oveewhemingly mocked and that's why cartoons are superior to anime
No.23712
>>23291> gay fascismI mean it could be worse
No.23713
>>23711who the fuck cares about the views of a fucking video game composer lol
>anime?
No.23714
>>23712gay fascism might actually be worse, it’s superior to normal fascism in all possible ways. The age nazism has passed, we will have starshiptroopers style woke fascism with pronouns and race science replaced by culture and ethnicity based discrimination.
No.23718
>>23713probably cause he did tons of work for anime as well
No.23719
>>23711>In the west he was oveewhemingly mockedI understand that his views are stupid but Xitter's """satire""" is as bland and boring as Stephen Colbert. It won't come even close to South Park or the Brits when Thatcher died, lmao.
>that's why cartoons are superior to animeBut they borrow from each other constantly…
No.23808
>>23718People care because Dragon Quest is a bona fide cultural phenomenon over there
he had anime credits, Cyborg 009 is probably his biggest, but none were for series at anywhere close to the same level of influence or fame.
but yeah, boomer has bad politics, not like he bombed countries himself or anything
No.23896
>>23887Wasn't this the guy who made porn about Hooters? Not surprised he has burger brainrot
No.23897
>>23896liking american comics is not "burger brainrot"
No.23900
>>23887>the guy who makes monster rape cuck/NTR porn scared by pretty boys is an anti sjw and you're surprised by this?
No.23901
>>23897I don't know how else you could possibly like them
No.23903
>>23900Dude also lesbos up western characters a lot though. No doubt has some supergirl+power girl pairing out there
No.23907
>>23887The Taimanin creator spouts similar stuff just not that heavy-handed, so not all that shocking tbh. I recall another thread mentioning how the Japanese hentai game scene is it's own bubble of shit.
No.23908
Why care about the private lives of the authors of stuff you like/dislike? I know context is important but I don't look up whether the people behind whatever media are 'leftists' or not before engaging with it…
If it's only about curiosity then that's fine I guess.
No.23909
>>23907The best eroge writers I know (usually from stuff before 2010) are some sort of leftist.
No.23925
>>23154>Why do people constantly call the saga of Tanya Mangaka a communist To make /pol/ seethe, see
>>801 No.23929
>>23925those are clearly joke tweets lost in translation tbh. been kinda explained in thread already
No.23930
>>23929I understand that, some of the explanations about that in the thread were mine, but what I meant the narrative of him being communist was mostly propagated for the sake of trolling 4chan rightoids.
No.23943
Makoto Kobayashi, the man is deep into right-wing politics and not the boomer stuff. Like pro-Putin, elon dick riding and pro impeaching Biden lmao
>>23942I need to delve into one piece someday, Im interested to know if there are any interviews/discussions regarding him and any leftist issues?
No.23945
>>23943Heh never knew that. Been a fan of his designs for decades.
No.23951
>>23291gyattdamn, that cat can rape my nanking any day
No.24039
>>23242>Those god damn anarchists told me to not use a slur once and now I am angry!Lol. LMAO even.
No.24040
>>23261>Also, the transgender assistant mangaka to the spyxf mangaka makes the most rabid anti-trans mangaka so even worse than being an LDP policy shillWut? Did you have a stroke or ESL since I did not catch what you mean and now I am curious to that and pic related on your post.
No.24041
>>24040the Spyxf creator has a trans assistant who is anti-trans, think Blaire White. That image attached is from a manga she made about trans ppl entering toilets to molest people and has a blog where she complains about trans in sports and stuff.
No.24043
>>23649>>23650>>24041Yeah I see now. Sadly I do see a lot of these types and to answer someone else's point it is a lot like the Blaire white thing
>>24041 brought up. There'a a scummy trend of passing (and usually straight) transwomen shitting on other transwomen since they can either blend into cisociety better or they are feminine enough that even chinlets will ignore their trans status.
No.24050
>>24041>>23261 >trans mangaka doesn't agree with some Western trans rhetoric That's not exactly fair to say this without context. You're talking about Mafuyu Konishi, right?
From the translation I found of the images you posted she doesn't sound unreasonable, just politely cautious about an LGBT bill's legal terms treading on the rights of other people. As far as I know she only made this small statement. The only other thing relative to trans people is her semi-autobiographical manga-works. From everything I've seen she's barely ever talked about trans rights relative to the law, and certainly wasn't saying anything anti-trans, only pointing out how sexual predators could abuse the law, which is a legitimate concern that affects trans people too BTW.
https://twiman.net/user/294408971 https://twitter.com/mahuyu524?lang=en No.24066
>>24050Seeing the manga first hand is even worse lol. She also talked about trans not being allowed in sports. If you're actually aware of the bill, it was the most useless piece of legislation and nothing in that manga came close to happening with its enactment.
No.24068
>>24066 >Seeing the manga first hand So you didn't even see it and passed a judgement on her based on hearsay? Wow. And how is it worse?
>She also talked about trans not being allowed in sports What specifically did she say? Just saying "She talked about sports" tells me nothing.
https://ameblo.jp/mahuyu524/entry-12747595167.html I found her blog-post on sports, nothing about it is inherently wrong or bad. She's addressing a real issue and isn't attacking anyone or hurting anyone, just stating facts and wondering what could be done, admitting that she doesn't know everything and is just thinking 'out loud'
Translating a section of her post she says;
>"Sports are exciting to watch because they are fair competitions, and fairness should be maintained…right? …It's no good, I don't have an answer. I have to keep thinking about it so that one day I can say my answer with confidence…" Which is a civil, fair opinion to express. Stop being transphobic just because she doesn't conform to your opinions.
>If you're actually aware of the bill, it was the most useless piece of legislation and nothing in that manga came close to happening with its enactment. The bill was enacted in July of 2023, months after the manga was published in early March of 2023, before revisions to the original Bill. Furthermore if you read the manga-piece she's not responding purely to the bill but the questions that prompted this bill and what concerns there would be in the possible future. None of this was stated out of derogatory self-hatred or hatred or others, and is instead a concern for other people as well, politely addressing how other people may feel. As a person in her position she has a right to express an opinion, especially when it's not just emotionally lashing out at others but an actual consideration of the gap between legal intent and execution and how it impacts people.
No.24069
>>24068Creating manga based on right-wing lies and complete fear-mongering isn't reasonable. Everything in that manga was spouted by the extreme right in the leadup to the bills introduction to block it and in the end, it worked, the bill got gutted by the restoration and DPP. Hell, the initial tweet of hers is full of lgbt folk and lawyers calling her manga complete fear-mongering trash
https://twitter.com/mahuyu524/status/1633048901371723776 No.24070
>>24069 >rightwing lies>fear-mongering Disingenuous; the only remotely close thing to that was the section man entering a bathroom with women. Considering there are actual real-life precedents where a Male-to-Female trans who was not fully transitioned raped/harassed cis women. An example would be a woman imprisoned at Riker's who was harassed and raped by a MtF trans-woman who had not transitioned fully and there are other such cases.
As a disclaimer, to any /pol/shitters seeking to misrepresent my words: this is not in any way or form implying that trans people are 'more likely' to sexually harass women or any other such bad-faith rhetoric, and trans people certainly face sexual harassment as well; In fact an under-discussed aspect of the bathroom debate is that FtM trans would also be at higher risk of increased sexual assault as well, especially considering aggressive dynamics in male bathrooms. While I most feminist rhetoric is bourg and non-socialist (See Zetkin and Marx) one aspect I have read and agree with is that male-women rape dynamics are differentiated, resulting in different sorts of abuse and harassment, which becomes unfortunately muddled with this question, especially as it is extremely emotional to many people.
To get back on point; The
ONLY thing I'm saying is that bad-faith actors exist in any group of people and cis women have a right to feel comfortable and safe just as much as trans people do, that is a consideration people must keep in mind and that is what Mafuyu is saying. She quite literally states repeatedly that
"Discrimination at any level is wrong" and
"we've (LGBT) been discriminated a lot by some people." So she is in no way transphobic or denying transphobia, and to accuse or dismiss her opinion and experiences as invalid is toxic behavior.
>Everything in that manga was spouted by the extreme right in the leadup to the bills introduction to block it The right wing says a lot of things and often latch on to otherwise neutral statements. , just because the rightwing may say something does not make a talking point in and of itself right-wing. Regardless, it has nothing to do with her, she's not a policy maker, right-wingers didn't find her manga and suddenly have a Eureka moment and use it as a reason to block the bill, so it's irrellevant.
>the initial tweet of hers is full of lgbt folk and lawyers calling her manga complete fear-mongeringAnd just as many lgbt people saying the opposite; people, trans or otherwise have different opinions on an individual level, who knew!?
Regardless I do not with to continue this discussion because the sensitivity of the topic is starting to derail into an identity politics debate and that belongs in the existing
>>>/siberia/ thread for it. Good bye.
PS. I don't even like Spy X Family so I have no personal investment in it or the mangaka, I'm just mature enough to not impulsively demonize a person for expressing a personal opinion on a topic that is quite literally relevant to their identity and experiences.
No.24093
>>23424saw a few trending callout tweets from libs trying to cancel him recently and he thought they were supporting him.
No.24110
>>24070>cis women have a right to feel comfortable and safe just as much as trans people doRespectfully disagree. I don't think anyone should have the "right" to order society based on their own perceived "feelings" of "comfort."
No.24118
>>24110Society is a collective made up of individuals and while what benefits the collective is certainly important and mostly benefits individuals on a wider scale, we shouldn't neglect individuals either. There needs to be a balance and I believe any human being has the right to be safe, that's quite literally how societies began to form, as collectives banding together to provide mutual safety and help with one another (I'm being simplistic but still). This obviously doesn't guarantee safety, but does improve it, only now instead of literal animal predators, the problems of society are human predators, sexual or not, who would harass, rape or kill people and find any way possible to do so and to avoid retribution for it. Honestly compared to, say, Mexico the USA is quite safe for trans people, I've seen more than enough gut-churning, horrifying murders, drive-bys and so on, targeting women and trans people over there for reasons ranging from violent urges to denial of sexual advances to simple crackhead-rage. Seeing that both IRL and on 4/gif/ has made me value the idea of peoples' right to safety a lot more. It's not just women and trans people either, men are in this too, if you've ever seen a cartel playing football with flayed heads in the street you'd share that horror.
Polite sage for offtopic; I only want to make people understand that while we shouldn't encourage snowflake behaviour, neither should we dismiss people's fears either, as that toxic attitude in the USA is at least part of what leads to incels and sh*oters and other horrific violence. People on both sides of (for example) the trans argument are so heated and volatile that it's only increasing hatred, segregation and hate-crimes from either side, and people that try to be objective, calm and non-partisan are attacked from both sides because of burger attitudes of "if you're not with us, you're against us" an attitude that has been on the rise ever since Bush Jr. said it during the 9/11 war propaganda days.
No.24169
>>24118I think people actually being safe is one thing, and yeah people do have a right to a reasonable level of safety. My contention mainly is with the assertion that people have a right to "feel" a certain way and that society should be policed based on these feelings.
I think for some people the issue of perceived safety is just a back door for their bigotry. Like the example in this thread of some woman being assaulted by a trans person. I think the emphasis is wrongly placed on the identity of the assailant. Okay, a trans woman committed sexual assault, so why is the talk about trans people in bathrooms instead of banning violent offenders from these spaces? If I said that black men need to have their own bathroom because one assaulted a woman and they have a "right to feel safe," I'd be correctly called a bigot. I don't think the intention is actually to protect people so much as normalize the idea that certain cohorts are just "naturally dangerous."
No.24256
>>24050>the law should be fair to allthis bill was to make lgbt people have all the same protections as the stacks of bills protecting religious and everyday people that exists already. so it's not fair in the least bit.
No.24257
>>24070>feels > reelsK then.
No.24383
>>24151>old politician proudly holding manga about a big breasted high school girlmost people would see this as weird behavior.
No.24396
>>23154What type of politics is this?
>>23909I know a few eroge devs from beat angel escalayer that support the socialist party, a lot do get caught up in anti-feminist stuff and eventually fall into neto-uyo activities
>>23541He had like 20 articles because of this tweet
No.24398
>>23301Nobuteru yuuki is a rw hack and came to his defense and avoided the korean wrath somehow.
>>24007Terumi Nishii(jojo animator) is based. Constantly fighting for unionizing, but not an easy feat in japan.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-30/veteran-producer-explains-the-problems-of-unionizing-in-the-anime-industry/.181125 No.24408
>>24404Is he? He is Russian, but incredibly edgy racist
No.24411
>>24404skibidi toilet is communist propaganda…
No.24420
>>24408isn’t he georgian?
No.24470
>>24469lol is that pissxsis?
No.24490
>>24470no, thats the other incest manga
No.24498
>>24469>Sailor Moon condomsThe fuck? Next you'll say there are Pretty Cure condoms too…
>>24489>anyone read this?Reactionary propaganda is the opposite of what Interests me in anime and manga. I want to be reminded of the actual Japanese ultranationalism as little as possible in my manga unless the mangaka's trolling it. "Haha, the emperor? He's cringe, fuck this guy."
No.24514
>>23154>>23536This is probably an oversimplification; back in 1997 the then-head of the New Japan Women's Association was on the same page as Shotaro Ishinomori regarding censorship of "problematic"/"harmful-to-youth" manga
https://twitter.com/bowwowolf/status/1544676458844635139 and for a long time attacking that stuff was the domain of conservative politicians, with the JCP going against it. I get the feeling their recent positions, especially regarding manga, are more just "confused boomers going with the flow" and "the flow" now, for a lot of self-described right AND left wing people, is tilted against "degenerate"/"harmful" media.
I very hugely doubt Ikeda agrees with those specific views of the modern NWA just as I very hugely doubt she fully sees eye-to-eye with her conservative friends. Is she *at all* involved with their recent actions regarding porn & "harmful" manga? I can't find any connection with Google. On the other side of the coin, has she actually supported explicitly right-wing *views* instead of merely being friends with some right-wingers, or doing interviews with them? The current efforts of the NWA would stigmatize a ton of the work of her peers, including women who drew manga with pretty progressive ideas yet "icky" sexual themes. She's from the same generation as Shotaro Ishinomori and Osamu Tezuka, who were undeniably left-wing (note there's a "Tezuka scholar" who goes around claiming Tezuka completely distanced himself from the JCP later in his life, which is not true; he still supported them, albeit, from what I gather, mainly from the anti-war perspective of "they're the only party that won't wimp out to America & will truly oppose war"). Nonetheless Ishinomori still published one of his manga in the right-wing Sankei Shimbun, and Tezuka published MANY of his manga there. Yet they didn't actually alter their views to pander. Some of the most explicitly left-wing content in Astro Boy people often point to was IN THE SANKEI SHIMBUN RUN. At one point he even contributed to a LDP newsletter while still being a JCP supporter.
What I'm saying is people from that generation seemed/seem pretty open to reaching out to political groups they disagreed with, even publishing their own work in such papers & magazines, without cucking out on their own beliefs as a result.
No.24518
>>24517>I highly doubt Tezuka agreed with this stuff, but he still liked Barks & his work.Many people like Carl Barks's comics and DuckTales in general, anon. People don't read stuff that aligns with their political opinions all the time.
No.24520
>>24518That's my point, though. And I think it helps that, again, Barks was pretty self-aware about his views & portrayed his characters in a generally humanistic way; Donald wasn't treated spitefully as a strawman for not liking Scrooge's behavior & attitudes and both characters were likely made out of different parts of the author's own identity and worldviews.
No.24521
>>24514>I very hugely doubt Ikeda agrees with those specific views of the modern NWAI agree with a fair bit here, but she is one of the new japan association members leading the remove porn from convenience stores
No.24522
>>24469I checked mercari and the condoms go anywhere from 100+ with poster
>>23194gits poster 120, spyxf social security cards poster 50
>>23472the stop terrorism poster gits 500, hatsune poster 300+. Can't find that dynasty warriors anywhere
No.24524
>>24523>>24521Alright, after trying to search everything in Japanese that I possibly could and finding absolutely nothing at all (I know Ikeda was involved with women's lib but I couldn't even find evidence of her being involved with this specific group, let alone its modern incarnation), not even one single Japanese person talking about it, I figured "you probably got the info from an English source and either misread it or the source was wrong to begin with"; lo and behold the former seems to be exactly the case
https://hexbear.net/post/2170624Their names are written differently. The person who posted the translation isn't even sure if the NWA person's name is "Ryoko" to begin with, which is also different from not Riyoko. They are not the same person.
No.24527
>>24524Honestly worse if I'm wrong as that means NO communist link and her only political connections she has is with two LDP hags Seiko Noda and
>>23389. I'm still sure I saw @njwa_nakama on twitter address her as an njwa supporter/member on the lead up to those LDP interviews. Ill pick thru my bookmarks later
No.24528
>>24527LOL we have the same name-attachment
No.24530
Saw this one on 4ch /lgbt/ Lesbo yuri mangaka that has spoken infront of the diet to demand transphobic toilet bills and anti lgbt bills. It feels common place to find these types now, supported by some prominent mangaka as well.
>>23424Him being one
No.24535
>>24530>yuri mangaka>anti-LGBTHow in the flying fuck does that make sense?
No.24537
>>24530Mf being surprised when a fetishist does not actually respect the object of his fetish.
No.24539
>>24535it kinda makes sense if you learn the origins of yuri.
No.24540
>>24530>has spoken infront of the diet to demand transphobic toilet bills and anti lgbt billsThat's not what happened.
No.24541
>>24537>>24539>le fetishismA lesbian disliking trans people is pretty common actually.
No.24542
>>24541idk if it’s a lesbian, usually yuri mangakas are men. General audience for yuri is usually dominated by men, not gay men, not trans men, but hetero cis men. I know that there is a vocal part if the lgbt community that seeks to throw everyone else in the community under the bus, but I have hunch that the author discussed in the original comment is a hetero man. If they are not a he then I was wrong and apologise for my comment that incorrectly assumed the writer was a fetishist.
No.24546
>>24527>Ill pick thru my bookmarks laterThat would help since, again: was that actually Ikeda, the manga author, or their activist with a similar name that English speakers mistook as being "THE Riyoko Ikeda"? I can find absolutely nothing relating to her on that account, or even in replies to it:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E6%B1%A0%E7%94%B0%E7%90%86%E4%BB%A3%E5%AD%90%20njwa_nakama&src=typed_query&f=live Just a bunch of unrelated "Ikedas":
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E6%B1%A0%E7%94%B0%20from%3Anjwa_nakama&src=typed_query&f=liveSo does this link actually exist at all? I did more research beyond this & found absolutely nothing. Even if there might have been something I was missing due to knowing little Japanese, wouldn't there be *something* that came up? People would've been talking about it beyond an English discussion that ended with "no, this Ikeda is not the same person". Still doubting this hugely.
No.24549
>>24537>>24537The need to "reclaim yuri from the straight cishet men" thing is silly. When you take yuri manga as a whole, there's really blatantly a colossal female presence even when you only include the stuff we, in the west, readily hear about. Some might argue "well this is about fetishization, and it's overwhelmingly men drawing porn, so they rule that sector" - I'd argue against that too as there's boatloads of female yuri authors drawing heavily sexualized stuff or outright porn, often for at least in large part a female audience and sometimes overwhelmingly for them. Sometimes this'll be well known in western yuri fandom as in the case of authors like Takano Saku, or obvious from browsing sites like Dynasty Scans and finding out about stuff like Mist Magazine. In other cases you'll find it in unexpected places. Rokuroichi published yuri stories in a primarily-hetero josei smut mag…
https://www.dlsite.com/girls/fsr/=/language/jp/sex_category%5B0%5D/female/sex_category%5B1%5D/gay/keyword/%E3%83%AD%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A4%E3%83%81/work_category%5B0%5D/doujin/work_category%5B1%5D/drama/work_category%5B2%5D/books/work_category%5B3%5D/pc/order%5B0%5D/trend/options_and_or/and/per_page/30/page/1/is_tl/1/from/fs.header …and you wouldn't know where they come from if you just found them on English hentai websites. Then you have stuff like Motoyan-chan to Yurufuwa Kanojo that falls completely outside of western anglophone yuri fandom discourse; a yuri josei smut series also published in a mostly-hetero josei smut mag
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/fsr/=/title_id/TITLE00057602/from/work.titles The only reason I found it was because I was browsing DLsite specifically looking for stuff that might fall outside of western coverage; god knows how much of it you can find in the wider manga industry given we're exposed to a very small selection of it, even taking obscure scanlations into account. Women tend to exceptionally like gay stuff in general, whether male or lesbian. It's extremely easy to find people who like or draw both and it's kind of a standard thing, NSFW artists included. I could name a ton more examples to make my point. But for some other very recent examples now that I have DLSite open in another tab we got
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/work/=/product_id/BJ01293535.html and
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/fsr/=/title_id/TITLE00268702/from/work.titles>>24530Doing some research, I don't know the name of the artist she worked with to make Sempai to Watashi BUT Mori Natsuko is not a man; she's a bisexual woman very into yuri. However, while I don't know if
>has spoken infront of the diet to demand transphobic toilet bills and anti lgbt billson its own is true, and I'd like a direct source to confirm she went that far, she's definitely in that ideological ballpark with a very partisan "anti-woke" twitter
https://twitter.com/MORI_Natsuko where she posts the usual stuff including "kink at pride" arguments and defending Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage as "not a discriminatory book". Even as someone with centrist cuck views on the trans kids debate (tl;dr: 'there is no such thing as a trans kid' is wrong, and adults don't 'need dysphoria to be trans'… BUT I think it's best to go full 'truscum'/'transmedicalist' when it comes to kids) I still think that's wrong; it's a clear trans panic book and, as someone who likes making and plugging anime lesbian porn, it's not a good look for her to carelessly defend a book that essentially says anime grooms kids into being trans. Would terfs & conservatives approve of the stuff she makes & likes? C'mon. Not even defending it as "yeah there's obviously bad shit in there but free speech includes dumbass speech" as you'd expect from other authors, but pretty explicitly defending the content and ideas of the book.
Shows the clear problem of hypocrisy that comes with being into "icky" anime stuff all your life then finding something that triggers you & going "I need to take a stand, pick a culture war side and FIGHT". Trans people can have a variety of views but allying with TERFs means you're inherently going against your own self interests because that's an ideology with clear dogmatic beliefs.
So basically
>>24541 is right but replace lesbian with bisexual
No.24550
>>24469Japanese politicians probably pushing 80 approved an incest manga collab to encourage youth to vote, neat.
No.24551
>>24546Scoured through my twit bookmarks and could only find the initial announcement for the interview with Ikeda from @danjokyoku and no mention of njwa. It may have just been njwa nakama retweeting it. Appears I was wrong. So good/bad, she's not a prude and bad she has ties with ldp hags
No.24552
>>24255"Megumin Linus doesn't exist, she can't hurt you."
Megumin Linus:
No.24553
>>24537I just don't understand how someone can hate something they desire. I mean, I'd understand if it was some kind of "addiction" but hating something you go out of your way to look for? Must be some serious psychological repression.
But then again, I never had any negative perceptions of women in the first place so I can't really know.
No.24555
>>24553She's a bisexual woman with what appear to be anti-trans views. She doesn't hate yuri or cis lesbian relationships.
No.24558
>>24555>She's a bisexual woman with what appear to be anti-trans views.Well, that makes way more sense. That's just your average TERF.
No.24563
>>24549She supports Mio Sugita on Twitter! One of the most anti-LGBT politicians around where she is kept at a distance even in her party. The same politician that was friends with composer
>>23711>Would terfs & conservatives approve of the stuff she makes & likes?Kind of shocking to find even Mio Sugita engages with her and buys her works
https://twitter.com/miosugita/status/1664045066166632448https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/03/japanese-mp-mio-sugita-calls-lgbt-community-unproductive No.24569
>>24563Okay yeah she does sound legit self-hating & not just a garden variety radfem; nevermind. I try to at least give people the benefit of the doubt that they're not self-destructive!
No.24576
>>23261This is more surprising than
>>24530Angry gays being transphobic about trans folk encroaching on their space isnt shocking especially if you hang around BL circles. Always a new daily callout post for some transphobe artist there
No.24578
>>23261>>23458>I don't imagine it's as freedom-loving as we are toldIdk how you read it and don't realize it's both-sideing the fictional conflict. One of the reporters who gets jailed for talking shit about the country is seen fabricating evidence like making kids dive into a dumpster to show that everyone is poor and starving.
No.24579
>>24549It's funny when intersectionalist liberals are shocked time and time again whenever petit-bourgeois "minorities" are reactionary, which is like all the time. Almost like class matters more.
No.24581
>>24578That reporter is described as believing everything that he reports though
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