Why do people constantly call the saga of Tanya Mangaka a communist? just stumbled upon the guy's feed and it's full of boomer takes, SDF shilling(this is the complete antithesis of the JCP), and anti-communist retweets.
On top of that, Riyoko Ikeda(The Rose of Versailles) who was a member of the Japanese communist party in her youth is now doing interviews with LDP and butt buddies with a senior member. The Riyoko one is far more shocking than the nazi anime girl
>>23165 (me)
It kinda reminds me of libsoc radlibs who claim to be anti-authoritarians but in reality are prioritizing the welfare of minorities and will be just as ruthless when they'll get in power as ᴉuᴉlossnW was.
>>23154To be fair, tanya the evil can very easily be read as communist, or at the very least anti-capitalist. The whole premise is that a hyper capitalist japanese businessman who's a firm believer in social darwinism and meritocracy becomes a massively successful war criminal in proto-fascist Germany. Tanya, who is an anti-communist herself, is portrayed as an objectively bad person, being actively punished by literally God. Hell, the story even delves into the tragedy and horrors of war, and how it perpetuates cycles of endless mindless violence that corrupts even the kindest souls.
Of fucking course people would think the author is some kind of leftist. It's kind of insane that he isn't.
>>23189>To be fair, tanya the evil can very easily be read as communistI wouldn't say that, since Zen very clearly has a low opinion of the Soviet Union. Some form of anti-capitalism as well as criticism of hyper-individualism is definitely there though.
>Tanya, who is an anti-communist herself, is portrayed as an objectively bad person, being actively punished by literally God. She's also portrayed as a hypocrite who doesn't even believe in her own ideological principles, and is guilty of the things she accuses her enemies of. She hates commies because they supposedly kill people who aren't opposing them, yet she goes out of her way to massacre civilians and slip by on technicalities. She openly says that she would be okay with taking away other people's freedom as long as nobody takes hers, etc. These behaviours are also self destructive, since all her efforts to secure a peaceful position in the rear by doling out more violence only push her further into harm's way, and cause her enemies to multiply and become more determined. Her obstinate refusal to acknowledge anything outside of her own ego literally dooms not just her but the Empire.
>>23192They also go into more detail about how miserable she is during the whole affair. Remember that this reincarnation was intended as a punishment, and it is effective as one. This is somewhat lost in the anime since they don't get into the internal monolgues as much.
>>23159The communist aura was powerful enough for me to notice it when I was a libertarian/nazi teenager. I was like the one person who actually said that the USSR was based back when I was heavily into the black metal youtube scene. Just cuz I liked their aesthetics, to be fair I also liked nazism back in the days so eh.
The aesthetics of the ussr and a few communist/socialist countries have a certain homely sort of vibe which is missing in a lot of right-wing media. Even their depictions of joe schmoe tend to be rife with extravagance and pomp. Which is why Rosanne was such a popular tv show in the 80's.
>>23225what is this from/about?
>>23170>Wow you don't want to lynch minorities? Literally fascismWhere the hell did you see this nonsense? Jeez, people on the Internet are so dumb.
>>23180I'm referring to those """"""anarchists"""""" whose political program isn't really that different from any authoritarian but they're gonna send you to labor camps for not being
obedient progressive enough instead of holding different political opinions. Not talking about any anarchists or socberts, just the modern ones. Posties are cool too.
>>23267just like nick land lmao
honestly this whole thread demonstrates that media having 'leftist themes' is fucking meaningless
Back to this site again…The ideas and ideologies that people have are heavily influenced by the environments that said people are in and have been in, and the contradictions of some authors' society also can manifest in their works. This is like the basic Marxist explanation, no? Subjugated to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and the Western empire that Japan is, there isn't much surprise to be expected that the tendency generally of popular culture industry is not revolutionary, nor is there much to be surprised about over the worthlessness of many ostensibly radical Japanese political organizations, as if even the bourgeois political parties in Japan, while their sovereignty is nonexistent and territory is by American bases occupied, could exercise much in the way of revolutionary policies; further, the presence of "anti-capitalist" hints or the allegation of aesthetic sympathies for revolution does not necessarily mean that there is substantial/substantive revolutionary socialist content in the works put into question. To not like capitalism is easy to claim, but to supply the constructive and revolutionary project that sublates the capitalist regime is far more difficult, on top of which importantly should, for the Communist, it be understood that the pace of socialist construction and the development of socialist consciousness don't necessarily have to match. Many fascists, anarchists, or Westernized Marxists sell themselves as anti-capitalist ideologues and trenchant social critics, but then ultimately degenerate into partisans of the bourgeoisie's liberal order, at the times when the red lines get to be really marked out. Also to slightly digress to another topic, to demand that the popular media that you consoom must be "leftist" sort of has the vibe of Hegel's "beautiful-soul", which does not come off like very the happy way to live.
At the flip side, that reflected over the origin, Russia is superstructurally supposed to be pro-capitalistic, yet its geopolitics, the organization of its economy, and the ways that its officials think indicate that the legacy of the Soviet Union continues not merely at superficial level there.
>suggestions for sociaIist culture worksIf you want socialist media stuff, then succeed in the Communist revolution and also check out the works from the ecosystems of Soviet Union, China, and such (potentially Russia also?).
>>23271The antagonistic polarization of politics on questions of sexuality is quite imported from Western cultural discourse, but it is not as though the non-West and non-white cultures did not possess the notion that heterosexuality was the norm, and excessive controversy over LGBTQ on both sides of the cultural conflict are Westernistic phenomena, because most Asian cultures would be heteronormative but neither loudly anti-homosexuality nor pro-homosexuality, as the emphasis would be on the harmony of society. The president of Russia, also, had not very different the opinion on those issues, conservative and still respectful of difference, it is said. That the American culture wars and their considerable psychoticness, in any case, have poisoned worldwide discourse is another pernicious consequence of liberal hegemony.
>>23273And here is the obligatory, for anyone interested: https://open.substack.com//pub/karimibnrashid/p/only-the-proleteriat-can-commit-suicide ? To be fair, somewhat fairly justifiable criticism of the experimental vaccines also came from the Left's people, or some progressive tendencies of the world at least, like the president of Venezuela, N. Maduro, & other, & even some people from the PSL had criticized, from the Web at least, the attempts of pharmaceutical companies to profiteer off the deliveries of boosters & such. And mask mandates are better to demand than vaccine mandates, because vaccines cannot be easily swapped on and off, like the former. >>23283>Russia is leftistYou can claim that China is leftist but this is so incredibly stupid that it makes me want to die just to not see this shit take ever again.
I hate this site sometimes.
>>23366>I also recall the creator going hard on the communist party for wanting to ban loli porn.Huh, what's that gotta do with communism?
I wish political parties could just hone in on their main objective without slowing down a thousand different sidequests that add to the list of things for voters to factor in.
>>23370This is stupid, people care more about American nothingburgers than what's going on in their own country. I am aware of what's going on in America too but I don't have such a bizarre hyperfixation on it, news are supposed to be informative. Instead it's just some irrelevant events and culture war nonsense. Like, I wouldn't even expect the Japs to
know about the Capitol Hill storming, let alone have an opinion on it.
Why can't people be like Hideo Kojima, Hiroyuki Imaishi and Hirohiko Araki and borrow influences from the American and European culture instead of Atlanticist politics?
>>23370Sure, but in most countries they do it when something really relevant happens.
>>23372>Like, I wouldn't even expect the Japs to know about the Capitol Hill storming, let alone have an opinion on it.But that was a big thing, you can't compare it to culture war nonsense.
>>23376you have no idea how huge january 6 was. Yes in reality it was just bunch of dumbasses messing around, but for a moment entire lib population of the
world thought that the apocalypse had begun. Liberals in nato countries are terrified of to the slight possibility of trump winning the next us elections. America is the center of the world for free market supporters.
>>23367The crazy thing this happened right before a massive election and they did terribly. They backtracked a little after and said they didn't want to ban it but would work to teach people that loli=CSEM and artists should be taught that it's not good to create it and they hope they would self-regulate it out of existence.
I don't support banning lolishit cause it's impossible to enforce, but I support the alternative solution they ended up falling back on.
>>23366>Didn't the later tanya movies and mangaka go really hard on the anti communist themes?Yeah but not much more so than that volume of the LN. Tayna's seething hatred of communism is there in the books, but like everything else it comes back to bite her in the ass. It's just that the movie left off before that happened. Keep in mind that Zen has a fairly normie tier understanding of Soviet performance in WW2, which is that it was hopelessly inept at the start but became more effective over time. This is how the war on the Eastern Front plays out in the books as well.
The real test of whether the anime will remain true to the critical elements of the books will be how they handle season 2, which should sync up with volume 5 when shit really starts going downhill for the Empire.
>>23400Well, I didn't expect it to be
that dependent on the US. It has its own culture and national interests
I assumed.It's the ultimate L for all netouyos, lmao. Imagine a country being such a doormat.
>>23408Wait, is LDP just the Republican Party but Japanese?
>>23409>LDP has a dedicated PR guy who collabs with pretty cureWhy Pretty Cure?
>>23413>Wait, is LDP just the Republican Party but Japanese?It's a big tent of right-wing factions and probably has some crazy republican rhetoric deep down but all that anti-vaccine/anti-ukraine rhetoric is ostracized. It's still a horridly scandal-ridden party
>Why Pretty CureIt's to do with the LDP's Cool Japan softpower campaign where it pushes anime on everyone and everything. So every government ministry has some anime collab reppin it. Most ministries also have a vtuber doing promos for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Japan >>23427Pretty Cure is
the franchise for little girls, and it's popular among otaku and young adult women. It's a children show that can deal with important issue without the cynicism that taints media for teenagers and adults. Of course, this means that jaded adults probably won't like the optimistic outlook of PreCure.
>>23429 (me)
Although watching something similar to Lovecraft and Kafka would be pretty based ngl.
>>23430 (me)
Also, the idea of magical girls seems pretty interesting to me, and rejecting anything cute and positive is kinda spooked. Why should I reject something just because of its lighthearted atmosphere? If the more lighthearted atmosphere is the main reason why it's targetted at little girls then I see no reason not to watch it, even if I feel a bit awkward about it.
>>23472>Ghost in the ShellOf course.
>MikuWtf? That's a cute classcuck tho.
>anti-yakuza Dynasty WarriorsWtf? Using feudal lords to fight the yakuza? Yeah, fight fire with fire, why not?
>>23524Crying about PC culture? This is fine. BUT BEING A NETTO UYOKU!?
NOW HE'S CROSSED THE LINE. SEND A FIRING SQUAD!
>>23541>Gantz was great. I mean if you just like meaningless combat with no story no characters and crappy cg art I guess it's fine
That tall bitch with the big tits was cool though
>>23594Toriyama was an incredibly secluded man. The one political thing he was involved in was the attached image, it got him a lot of hate. He did a bunch of pro-nuclear PR when the entire leftist shtick during the 1970s-1990s was being anti-nuclear and to this day it remains that way.
>>23599Konaka always probably leaned into rw shit from the beginning, but the reason he became non-relevant is due to his close friend Ryutaro Nakamura dying around 2013. The man stopped working around here for a good decade. Also shamwow is now a shitty right-wing political podcast guy? embarrassing!
>>23711who the fuck cares about the views of a fucking video game composer lol
>anime?
>>23711>In the west he was oveewhemingly mockedI understand that his views are stupid but Xitter's """satire""" is as bland and boring as Stephen Colbert. It won't come even close to South Park or the Brits when Thatcher died, lmao.
>that's why cartoons are superior to animeBut they borrow from each other constantly…
>>23718People care because Dragon Quest is a bona fide cultural phenomenon over there
he had anime credits, Cyborg 009 is probably his biggest, but none were for series at anywhere close to the same level of influence or fame.
but yeah, boomer has bad politics, not like he bombed countries himself or anything
Makoto Kobayashi, the man is deep into right-wing politics and not the boomer stuff. Like pro-Putin, elon dick riding and pro impeaching Biden lmao
>>23942I need to delve into one piece someday, Im interested to know if there are any interviews/discussions regarding him and any leftist issues?
>>23649>>23650>>24041Yeah I see now. Sadly I do see a lot of these types and to answer someone else's point it is a lot like the Blaire white thing
>>24041 brought up. There'a a scummy trend of passing (and usually straight) transwomen shitting on other transwomen since they can either blend into cisociety better or they are feminine enough that even chinlets will ignore their trans status.
>>24041>>23261 >trans mangaka doesn't agree with some Western trans rhetoric That's not exactly fair to say this without context. You're talking about Mafuyu Konishi, right?
From the translation I found of the images you posted she doesn't sound unreasonable, just politely cautious about an LGBT bill's legal terms treading on the rights of other people. As far as I know she only made this small statement. The only other thing relative to trans people is her semi-autobiographical manga-works. From everything I've seen she's barely ever talked about trans rights relative to the law, and certainly wasn't saying anything anti-trans, only pointing out how sexual predators could abuse the law, which is a legitimate concern that affects trans people too BTW.
https://twiman.net/user/294408971 https://twitter.com/mahuyu524?lang=en >>24066 >Seeing the manga first hand So you didn't even see it and passed a judgement on her based on hearsay? Wow. And how is it worse?
>She also talked about trans not being allowed in sports What specifically did she say? Just saying "She talked about sports" tells me nothing.
https://ameblo.jp/mahuyu524/entry-12747595167.html I found her blog-post on sports, nothing about it is inherently wrong or bad. She's addressing a real issue and isn't attacking anyone or hurting anyone, just stating facts and wondering what could be done, admitting that she doesn't know everything and is just thinking 'out loud'
Translating a section of her post she says;
>"Sports are exciting to watch because they are fair competitions, and fairness should be maintained…right? …It's no good, I don't have an answer. I have to keep thinking about it so that one day I can say my answer with confidence…" Which is a civil, fair opinion to express. Stop being transphobic just because she doesn't conform to your opinions.
>If you're actually aware of the bill, it was the most useless piece of legislation and nothing in that manga came close to happening with its enactment. The bill was enacted in July of 2023, months after the manga was published in early March of 2023, before revisions to the original Bill. Furthermore if you read the manga-piece she's not responding purely to the bill but the questions that prompted this bill and what concerns there would be in the possible future. None of this was stated out of derogatory self-hatred or hatred or others, and is instead a concern for other people as well, politely addressing how other people may feel. As a person in her position she has a right to express an opinion, especially when it's not just emotionally lashing out at others but an actual consideration of the gap between legal intent and execution and how it impacts people.
>>24069 >rightwing lies>fear-mongering Disingenuous; the only remotely close thing to that was the section man entering a bathroom with women. Considering there are actual real-life precedents where a Male-to-Female trans who was not fully transitioned raped/harassed cis women. An example would be a woman imprisoned at Riker's who was harassed and raped by a MtF trans-woman who had not transitioned fully and there are other such cases.
As a disclaimer, to any /pol/shitters seeking to misrepresent my words: this is not in any way or form implying that trans people are 'more likely' to sexually harass women or any other such bad-faith rhetoric, and trans people certainly face sexual harassment as well; In fact an under-discussed aspect of the bathroom debate is that FtM trans would also be at higher risk of increased sexual assault as well, especially considering aggressive dynamics in male bathrooms. While I most feminist rhetoric is bourg and non-socialist (See Zetkin and Marx) one aspect I have read and agree with is that male-women rape dynamics are differentiated, resulting in different sorts of abuse and harassment, which becomes unfortunately muddled with this question, especially as it is extremely emotional to many people.
To get back on point; The
ONLY thing I'm saying is that bad-faith actors exist in any group of people and cis women have a right to feel comfortable and safe just as much as trans people do, that is a consideration people must keep in mind and that is what Mafuyu is saying. She quite literally states repeatedly that
"Discrimination at any level is wrong" and
"we've (LGBT) been discriminated a lot by some people." So she is in no way transphobic or denying transphobia, and to accuse or dismiss her opinion and experiences as invalid is toxic behavior.
>Everything in that manga was spouted by the extreme right in the leadup to the bills introduction to block it The right wing says a lot of things and often latch on to otherwise neutral statements. , just because the rightwing may say something does not make a talking point in and of itself right-wing. Regardless, it has nothing to do with her, she's not a policy maker, right-wingers didn't find her manga and suddenly have a Eureka moment and use it as a reason to block the bill, so it's irrellevant.
>the initial tweet of hers is full of lgbt folk and lawyers calling her manga complete fear-mongeringAnd just as many lgbt people saying the opposite; people, trans or otherwise have different opinions on an individual level, who knew!?
Regardless I do not with to continue this discussion because the sensitivity of the topic is starting to derail into an identity politics debate and that belongs in the existing
>>>/siberia/ thread for it. Good bye.
PS. I don't even like Spy X Family so I have no personal investment in it or the mangaka, I'm just mature enough to not impulsively demonize a person for expressing a personal opinion on a topic that is quite literally relevant to their identity and experiences.
>>24110Society is a collective made up of individuals and while what benefits the collective is certainly important and mostly benefits individuals on a wider scale, we shouldn't neglect individuals either. There needs to be a balance and I believe any human being has the right to be safe, that's quite literally how societies began to form, as collectives banding together to provide mutual safety and help with one another (I'm being simplistic but still). This obviously doesn't guarantee safety, but does improve it, only now instead of literal animal predators, the problems of society are human predators, sexual or not, who would harass, rape or kill people and find any way possible to do so and to avoid retribution for it. Honestly compared to, say, Mexico the USA is quite safe for trans people, I've seen more than enough gut-churning, horrifying murders, drive-bys and so on, targeting women and trans people over there for reasons ranging from violent urges to denial of sexual advances to simple crackhead-rage. Seeing that both IRL and on 4/gif/ has made me value the idea of peoples' right to safety a lot more. It's not just women and trans people either, men are in this too, if you've ever seen a cartel playing football with flayed heads in the street you'd share that horror.
Polite sage for offtopic; I only want to make people understand that while we shouldn't encourage snowflake behaviour, neither should we dismiss people's fears either, as that toxic attitude in the USA is at least part of what leads to incels and sh*oters and other horrific violence. People on both sides of (for example) the trans argument are so heated and volatile that it's only increasing hatred, segregation and hate-crimes from either side, and people that try to be objective, calm and non-partisan are attacked from both sides because of burger attitudes of "if you're not with us, you're against us" an attitude that has been on the rise ever since Bush Jr. said it during the 9/11 war propaganda days.
>>24118I think people actually being safe is one thing, and yeah people do have a right to a reasonable level of safety. My contention mainly is with the assertion that people have a right to "feel" a certain way and that society should be policed based on these feelings.
I think for some people the issue of perceived safety is just a back door for their bigotry. Like the example in this thread of some woman being assaulted by a trans person. I think the emphasis is wrongly placed on the identity of the assailant. Okay, a trans woman committed sexual assault, so why is the talk about trans people in bathrooms instead of banning violent offenders from these spaces? If I said that black men need to have their own bathroom because one assaulted a woman and they have a "right to feel safe," I'd be correctly called a bigot. I don't think the intention is actually to protect people so much as normalize the idea that certain cohorts are just "naturally dangerous."
>>23154What type of politics is this?
>>23909I know a few eroge devs from beat angel escalayer that support the socialist party, a lot do get caught up in anti-feminist stuff and eventually fall into neto-uyo activities
>>23541He had like 20 articles because of this tweet
>>23301Nobuteru yuuki is a rw hack and came to his defense and avoided the korean wrath somehow.
>>24007Terumi Nishii(jojo animator) is based. Constantly fighting for unionizing, but not an easy feat in japan.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-12-30/veteran-producer-explains-the-problems-of-unionizing-in-the-anime-industry/.181125 >>24469>Sailor Moon condomsThe fuck? Next you'll say there are Pretty Cure condoms too…
>>24489>anyone read this?Reactionary propaganda is the opposite of what Interests me in anime and manga. I want to be reminded of the actual Japanese ultranationalism as little as possible in my manga unless the mangaka's trolling it. "Haha, the emperor? He's cringe, fuck this guy."
>>23154>>23536This is probably an oversimplification; back in 1997 the then-head of the New Japan Women's Association was on the same page as Shotaro Ishinomori regarding censorship of "problematic"/"harmful-to-youth" manga
https://twitter.com/bowwowolf/status/1544676458844635139 and for a long time attacking that stuff was the domain of conservative politicians, with the JCP going against it. I get the feeling their recent positions, especially regarding manga, are more just "confused boomers going with the flow" and "the flow" now, for a lot of self-described right AND left wing people, is tilted against "degenerate"/"harmful" media.
I very hugely doubt Ikeda agrees with those specific views of the modern NWA just as I very hugely doubt she fully sees eye-to-eye with her conservative friends. Is she *at all* involved with their recent actions regarding porn & "harmful" manga? I can't find any connection with Google. On the other side of the coin, has she actually supported explicitly right-wing *views* instead of merely being friends with some right-wingers, or doing interviews with them? The current efforts of the NWA would stigmatize a ton of the work of her peers, including women who drew manga with pretty progressive ideas yet "icky" sexual themes. She's from the same generation as Shotaro Ishinomori and Osamu Tezuka, who were undeniably left-wing (note there's a "Tezuka scholar" who goes around claiming Tezuka completely distanced himself from the JCP later in his life, which is not true; he still supported them, albeit, from what I gather, mainly from the anti-war perspective of "they're the only party that won't wimp out to America & will truly oppose war"). Nonetheless Ishinomori still published one of his manga in the right-wing Sankei Shimbun, and Tezuka published MANY of his manga there. Yet they didn't actually alter their views to pander. Some of the most explicitly left-wing content in Astro Boy people often point to was IN THE SANKEI SHIMBUN RUN. At one point he even contributed to a LDP newsletter while still being a JCP supporter.
What I'm saying is people from that generation seemed/seem pretty open to reaching out to political groups they disagreed with, even publishing their own work in such papers & magazines, without cucking out on their own beliefs as a result.
>>24469I checked mercari and the condoms go anywhere from 100+ with poster
>>23194gits poster 120, spyxf social security cards poster 50
>>23472the stop terrorism poster gits 500, hatsune poster 300+. Can't find that dynasty warriors anywhere
>>24523>>24521Alright, after trying to search everything in Japanese that I possibly could and finding absolutely nothing at all (I know Ikeda was involved with women's lib but I couldn't even find evidence of her being involved with this specific group, let alone its modern incarnation), not even one single Japanese person talking about it, I figured "you probably got the info from an English source and either misread it or the source was wrong to begin with"; lo and behold the former seems to be exactly the case
https://hexbear.net/post/2170624Their names are written differently. The person who posted the translation isn't even sure if the NWA person's name is "Ryoko" to begin with, which is also different from not Riyoko. They are not the same person.
>>24524Honestly worse if I'm wrong as that means NO communist link and her only political connections she has is with two LDP hags Seiko Noda and
>>23389. I'm still sure I saw @njwa_nakama on twitter address her as an njwa supporter/member on the lead up to those LDP interviews. Ill pick thru my bookmarks later
Saw this one on 4ch /lgbt/ Lesbo yuri mangaka that has spoken infront of the diet to demand transphobic toilet bills and anti lgbt bills. It feels common place to find these types now, supported by some prominent mangaka as well.
>>23424Him being one
>>24527>Ill pick thru my bookmarks laterThat would help since, again: was that actually Ikeda, the manga author, or their activist with a similar name that English speakers mistook as being "THE Riyoko Ikeda"? I can find absolutely nothing relating to her on that account, or even in replies to it:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E6%B1%A0%E7%94%B0%E7%90%86%E4%BB%A3%E5%AD%90%20njwa_nakama&src=typed_query&f=live Just a bunch of unrelated "Ikedas":
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E6%B1%A0%E7%94%B0%20from%3Anjwa_nakama&src=typed_query&f=liveSo does this link actually exist at all? I did more research beyond this & found absolutely nothing. Even if there might have been something I was missing due to knowing little Japanese, wouldn't there be *something* that came up? People would've been talking about it beyond an English discussion that ended with "no, this Ikeda is not the same person". Still doubting this hugely.
>>24537>>24537The need to "reclaim yuri from the straight cishet men" thing is silly. When you take yuri manga as a whole, there's really blatantly a colossal female presence even when you only include the stuff we, in the west, readily hear about. Some might argue "well this is about fetishization, and it's overwhelmingly men drawing porn, so they rule that sector" - I'd argue against that too as there's boatloads of female yuri authors drawing heavily sexualized stuff or outright porn, often for at least in large part a female audience and sometimes overwhelmingly for them. Sometimes this'll be well known in western yuri fandom as in the case of authors like Takano Saku, or obvious from browsing sites like Dynasty Scans and finding out about stuff like Mist Magazine. In other cases you'll find it in unexpected places. Rokuroichi published yuri stories in a primarily-hetero josei smut mag…
https://www.dlsite.com/girls/fsr/=/language/jp/sex_category%5B0%5D/female/sex_category%5B1%5D/gay/keyword/%E3%83%AD%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%A4%E3%83%81/work_category%5B0%5D/doujin/work_category%5B1%5D/drama/work_category%5B2%5D/books/work_category%5B3%5D/pc/order%5B0%5D/trend/options_and_or/and/per_page/30/page/1/is_tl/1/from/fs.header …and you wouldn't know where they come from if you just found them on English hentai websites. Then you have stuff like Motoyan-chan to Yurufuwa Kanojo that falls completely outside of western anglophone yuri fandom discourse; a yuri josei smut series also published in a mostly-hetero josei smut mag
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/fsr/=/title_id/TITLE00057602/from/work.titles The only reason I found it was because I was browsing DLsite specifically looking for stuff that might fall outside of western coverage; god knows how much of it you can find in the wider manga industry given we're exposed to a very small selection of it, even taking obscure scanlations into account. Women tend to exceptionally like gay stuff in general, whether male or lesbian. It's extremely easy to find people who like or draw both and it's kind of a standard thing, NSFW artists included. I could name a ton more examples to make my point. But for some other very recent examples now that I have DLSite open in another tab we got
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/work/=/product_id/BJ01293535.html and
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/fsr/=/title_id/TITLE00268702/from/work.titles>>24530Doing some research, I don't know the name of the artist she worked with to make Sempai to Watashi BUT Mori Natsuko is not a man; she's a bisexual woman very into yuri. However, while I don't know if
>has spoken infront of the diet to demand transphobic toilet bills and anti lgbt billson its own is true, and I'd like a direct source to confirm she went that far, she's definitely in that ideological ballpark with a very partisan "anti-woke" twitter
https://twitter.com/MORI_Natsuko where she posts the usual stuff including "kink at pride" arguments and defending Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage as "not a discriminatory book". Even as someone with centrist cuck views on the trans kids debate (tl;dr: 'there is no such thing as a trans kid' is wrong, and adults don't 'need dysphoria to be trans'… BUT I think it's best to go full 'truscum'/'transmedicalist' when it comes to kids) I still think that's wrong; it's a clear trans panic book and, as someone who likes making and plugging anime lesbian porn, it's not a good look for her to carelessly defend a book that essentially says anime grooms kids into being trans. Would terfs & conservatives approve of the stuff she makes & likes? C'mon. Not even defending it as "yeah there's obviously bad shit in there but free speech includes dumbass speech" as you'd expect from other authors, but pretty explicitly defending the content and ideas of the book.
Shows the clear problem of hypocrisy that comes with being into "icky" anime stuff all your life then finding something that triggers you & going "I need to take a stand, pick a culture war side and FIGHT". Trans people can have a variety of views but allying with TERFs means you're inherently going against your own self interests because that's an ideology with clear dogmatic beliefs.
So basically
>>24541 is right but replace lesbian with bisexual
>>24255"Megumin Linus doesn't exist, she can't hurt you."
Megumin Linus:
>>24537I just don't understand how someone can hate something they desire. I mean, I'd understand if it was some kind of "addiction" but hating something you go out of your way to look for? Must be some serious psychological repression.
But then again, I never had any negative perceptions of women in the first place so I can't really know.
>>24549She supports Mio Sugita on Twitter! One of the most anti-LGBT politicians around where she is kept at a distance even in her party. The same politician that was friends with composer
>>23711>Would terfs & conservatives approve of the stuff she makes & likes?Kind of shocking to find even Mio Sugita engages with her and buys her works
https://twitter.com/miosugita/status/1664045066166632448https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/03/japanese-mp-mio-sugita-calls-lgbt-community-unproductive >>23261This is more surprising than
>>24530Angry gays being transphobic about trans folk encroaching on their space isnt shocking especially if you hang around BL circles. Always a new daily callout post for some transphobe artist there
>>23366>>23367>>23371As I pointed out here
>>24514 a lot of "degenerate" mangaka used to be on the side of the JCP and I think their recent obsession is a "confused boomers going with the flow" thing, since fighting "problematicness" or "degeneracy" is trendy now for both political wings. The only difference is they're going for a full blown radfem anti-porn perspective (or US conservative perspective since they literally cite "misogyny" as a reason to ban "degeneracy" now) vs having weird double standards to justify the "problematicness"/"degeneracy" they like the way some people in America do
>>23384Well different parts of the JCP are still doing the "report harmful books" stuff. Why not teach people to realize they have a weirdo fetish & build a clear wall between reality & fiction? People like to pretend that's not the case but having fun doing mass shootings is absolutely a significant aspect of GTA and other games like it (hell GTA even rewards you rampaging). Just as loli & shota can push some towards hurting irl kids, I can see exposure to violent video games further fucking up potential mass shooters; in the end though it wasn't the games or cartoons that did the heavy lifting. Plus a lot of loli/shota artists & publications already take the "if you start fantasizing about real kids get help immediately" stance (see the famous Comic LO PSA).
Tezuka said "vote for the JCP" all his life but I guess since he did some weird loli & shota panels to go with his morphing/transformation & animal girl fetishes that makes him at odds with the left's ideals now? It's a dumb decision to go this route & alienate a group that's historically supported you.
>>24678>abandon all the degenerate and decadent porn artists to chase tail for appeal of the "Normal People">ends up less popular because no one likes jannies controlling other peoples lives over fiction.dayum, they should have thought more when kneeling for the
silent majority Normal Peoples(TM) thought that is totally just not twitter brained victimism.
>>24689>>24678You're ignoring they're against normie porn too + most people find the weird anime stuff gross but they're not dedicated to banning it + communism isn't exactly a normie ideology, especially now that the anti-Vietnam war and "Japan needs to stop cucking out to American imperialism" sentiments aren't a driving force anymore; these days it seems more common for people to be have positive views of mainstream American liberals or republicans depending on their views.
It's also not just a matter of "alienating a small minority of weirdos" because Japanese comics & animation don't have this culture where you need to constantly virtue signal against "harmful degeneracy" or else your career's in jeopardy (and neither did America - back in the day you had Neil Gaiman very vocally defend lolicon). Even if someone doesn't actually MAKE stuff with lolicon or shotacon content they're still way more likely than not to be against attempts to politically regulate free expression, including popular creators with generally progressive views who'd otherwise be exactly the kinda people the JCP could easily reach out to. A lot of them absolutely have reach; someone like Osamu Tezuka may have had tastes normies would've found weird if they noticed them, but one of the biggest most mainstream manga authors of all time (and many in his creative circles to boot) supporting the JCP all their lives was absolutely a positive for the party. Yeah "Japanese life doesn't revolve around anime & manga", sure, but they're still pretty fucking big.
>>24151>3k QRTswhy are they upset over this exactly? i feel like some context is missing here
>>23424>>24038all mech artists must be drinking from the same well cause Masami Obari dabbles in anti fem culture war stuff as well
>>24676JCP and it's anti loli shit campaign is backed by a fairly UN lengthy study, they didn't just decide to ban it out of nowhere. Reminder the only reason Australia moved against it was cause the JCP member Kazuko Ito lobbied Australian lawmakers for it, well specifically one, Connie Bonaros(pro sex worker lawmaker). Thats some awesome lobbying power tbh.
also, the JCP has had a policy pledge to enact IRL porn bans forever, I'm talking decades+ it's why you see a lot of AV groups constantly butt heads with them
>>24697>When did it start?i can see articles going back to 2003 in the red flag calling for some form of AV regulation. It did pick up massively when Saori Ikeuchi won her election in 2014. this thread from the former SWASH president(the biggest Japanese sex worker org) calling out the JCP gives an idea of how they operate
https://twitter.com/kanameyukiko/status/1600868285469589511here's the largest anti-porn org PAPs plastered all over the red flag, this group is led by a trans woman Kazuna Kanajiri(besties with the above Saori Ikeuchi) and she constantly gets into Twitter beefs with the above group
https://www.jcp.or.jp/akahata/aik19/2019-06-27/2019062703_02_1.htmlregarding the loli stuff, the JCP was in favor of regulating loli porn in 2008, they were the first party ECPAT/UNICEF went to and they even published this in the red flag. It wasn't until the mangaka lobby kicked in and put fear into the opposition they did a 180. i got too many links to share about JCP antics, full committee hearings where they just want to prohibit porn, and early JCP resolutions being pretty prudish(violent/sexual games bad for kids stuff)
>my stance is still "don't ban it, fight against the abusive elements"agree, nightmare enforcing it. fine nuking it from twitter though and anyone that cries about it is always a whackjob
>>24707>i can see articles going back to 2003 in the red flag calling for some form of AV regulation."Some form of regulation" sounds vague and could very well mean addressing the fucked up abusive aspects? Or regulating where/how it's sold?
>It did pick up massively when Saori Ikeuchi won her election in 2014Which implies it wasn't a huge focus of the JCP before that.
>regarding the loli stuff, the JCP was in favor of regulating loli porn in 2008>It wasn't until the mangaka lobby kicked in and put fear into the opposition they did a 180Yeah see it sounds like before 2014 when it "picked up massively" it wasn't a super-important element part and there were different sectors of the JCP that cared and others that didn't (i.e. they're not a hivemind); just as Ken Akamatsu, the guy who wrote a gay marriage in his manga, is now part of the LDP and is against censoring "degeneracy" while I'm 100% sure there are boatloads of other LDP politicians who'd absolutely support banning the mere mention of The Gays. As I pointed out, in 1997 the head of the New Japan Women's Association was on the same page as Shotaro Ishinomori on the subject of "censoring manga to protect youth".
>violent/sexual games bad for kids stuffAgain Tezuka supported them all his life and that's a dude who showed babies being killed in his shonen manga. Dumb stance to take.
The fact that you say it kicked in high gear in 2014 and they 180ed back in 2008 kinda enforces my general view that the 2010s are when a lot of the mainstream left developed unflinching sex-negative views, outright comparable to the right in some cases.
>agree, nightmare enforcing it.Nah it's a "don't be a moral busybody" thing for me as
>>24709 said. I don't really agree with the "sex work is work" stuff when it's extended to stuff like being a street-walker but you CAN have less abusive, and in the run largely non-abusive creation of pornography just as you can have that for every other type of work.
To elaborate, my personal view is anyone doing porn scenes should be able to choose who they do them with & not be forced into anything "for the sake of their career" because that's pretty rapey. And of course that's another can of worms - even that standard not resulting in subtler forms of abuse would require heavy structural changes in and outside of pornography. But it's immensely better to go for that instead of banning it and "stopping degeneracy" should play no part in your policies unless it's something that's inherently harmful like child abuse.
>>24719>>24709call me a prude all you want, twitter isn't suited for loli smut. dozens of obscure sites for it, if anything having that material front and centre on twitter would just get more calls to ban it
>>24398this reminded me she had a fit over Naomichi Yamato and Shinsaku Sasaki endorsing 3 LDP guys(one a racist) and the 1 CDP guy they endorsed was a muh cancel culture dudebro. CDP heads had to tell him not to associate that stuff with the party cause he was waving around pro loli porn ads for his election and screaming at feminist groups such as colabo lmao
https://x.com/zkurishi/status/1673290878713200640>>24523only issue with ikedas nowadays is so much of her works are outdated now days, claudine comes to mind. also I read the whole LDP interview with her and it's really just ordinary talk about women's issues and them wanting article 750 updated so men/women can keep their original surnames
>>24732Well that's a much more valid take but you never really specified "loli porn" in particular. We were talking about porn in general.
I 100% agree people need to realize most normal people are gonna think loli is weird & be way more careful about how they defend its right to exist (again Neil Gaiman's old write-up about it is way better than going "triggered, puritans?") but disagreeing with Colabo is hardly a "dudebro" trait. Even turbo-lib Tomohira Machiyama
>>23424 openly disagrees with those types of sex-negative views (albeit in a more diplomatic way). Their views on manga/anime stuff are legit extreme in a way even the your average "raised on Tumblr" zoomer isn't.
Why do you feel Claudine is dated? If it's the fact that it's so miserable then, I think that while there's some validity to reading deeper sociopolitical reasons behind "bad endings for LGBT characters", I think a big part of it is also just showa-era women liking tragedy a damn lot. Oniisama E's original downer ending (that Dezaki removed) involved a hetero relationship after all.
>>24733i hate the new twitter, just a pain to navigate now. this is the initial thread, but a lot of posts followed outside of this thread
https://x.com/NishiiTerumi/status/1544251407305687040 and the endorsements shes upset about this guy is one of the endorsed>>24151
https://www.janica.jp/press/press20220705b.html>>24780>but disagreeing with Colabo is hardly a "dudebro" traittrue, but that guy dabbles in every bit of cringe culture war stuff and i like the guy as well. he's pretty on point most of the time, but I have seen him dive into anti-diversity type rhetoric
>Tomohira Machiyamahe has a history of supporting zoning(uzaki blood 2019 poster drama) but zoning itself is just common sense in most cases. he is a big colabo supporter. hell that spat he had
>>23424 ended with akiman advertising the autobiography of the guy who is suing colabo
>Why do you feel Claudine is dated?i just found it rather full of antiquated attitudes towards trans identities and the doctor constantly referring to claudine with she/her throughout(translation issue?), but then you realize this was released in the 70s and I'm probably dumb to evaluate it using modern standards. also its short as hell and I found it a messy read compared to a lot of her other stuff
>>24783>he is a big colabo supporterSource? And to what extent? I searched his Twitter history for mentions of Colabo and from what I found he only brought it up in the context of "this antisjw guy is using his 'fight against Colabo' to grift", not "I agree with Colabo on manga/anime". Also a retweet regarding people obstructing their genuine aid activities (they don't exist purely to complain about cartoons after all, so he could agree with what they're doing in some areas but not all).
I saw him specifically argue that "yeah, you can say there's a time & place for otaku-pandering boob/moeblob ads, but calling it 'sexual harassment' is wrong and there's a lot of good 'sexy anime girl' characters. Are you against One Piece girls? Urusei Yatsura? Classic showa-era mangaka like Tezuka and Ishinomori?"
https://twitter.com/TomoMachi/status/1184620348647432192 - this exchange alone makes him come across as not being an "anime boobs are inherently harmful" guy (unless his views changed since then?)
>true, but that guy dabbles in every bit of cringe culture war stuff and i like the guy as well. he's pretty on point most of the time, but I have seen him dive into anti-diversity type rhetoric I think there's a lot to be said about how corporations handle it but I don't think diversity of ethnicity, gender etc in art (either through hiring or story content) is bad thing at all and has historically helped art/entertainment so I could see myself disagreeing with some of his stances (and a lot of people who get deep into this stuff do end up becoming "black characters existing = sjw!!!" types). Still, I'd rather have a dude from a center-left party criticize this general ideological ballpark than a far-right guy.
>the doctor constantly referring to claudine with she/her throughout(translation issue?)It's been years since I read it but I know the story takes place long ago, so it makes sense for a doctor to say that while trying to figure out gender dysphoria. I highly doubt a late-70s Ikeda would've gone "ummm no I'm not calling you that; biology trumps all sweetie :)" at a trans person.
And as you pointed out here
>>24732 it's not like she even espouses conservative views when talking to LDP people, so it sounds like I was right in that it's not really different from Tezuka publishing manga in a right-wing publication without actually changing his views to pander. Showing explicitly anti-racist, anti-war Astro Boy stories to a right-wing audience isn't cucking out as much as it is reaching out.
>>24785>Source? And to what extent?he debates with Akane Kyoua(@himasoraakane) who sued Colabo arguing in Colabos defense, the most recent one was 4 hrs long(summarized vid)
https://youtu.be/epO39ImEY8w. I am not arguing he is some anti-anime tiddy guy, but a lot of the Colabo defense falls back on being pro-zoning (no government-funded anime tiddy in public spaces) and this itself is a hot topic in Japan whether or not it intrudes on freedom of expression. Colabo is probably a big reason why the JCP is as it as well, She is deeply linked with the former JCP leader Kazuo Shii and is a JCP member(high school besties with Saori Ikeuchi)
https://youtu.be/1yD0tReKOWQ>I think there's a lot to be said about how corporations handle it but I don't think diversity of ethnicity, gender etc in artit was more him complaining about topical American issues such as diversity in universities, hollywood and such. he has a habit of diving head first into a lot of these things, it's why every single tweet you look up with him and Colabo has been deleted. I'll probably give Claudine another read eventually as I can see it has a published version by SS with heavy Ikeda involvement as I'm fairly sure I read a fan translation years ago
>>24789he follows a ton of right-wing accounts and retweets them, Kana Shindo(@kanashindo) comes to mind as the worst. he is also a supporter of Ishigaki mayor Yoshitaka Nakayama and i've just had the typical anti-fem stuff popup on my feed from him, thankfully nothing like
>>24038 so it's eye rolling at most when I see it. besides his support for Nakayama, i am mostly going off retweets/likes and follows with this guy tbh
>>24790I think what's going on is people who like drawing "problematic" stuff see scoldy culture war stuff from one side and instead of just going "yeah this is stupid, I'll tell them to go away and keep doing what I like" they decide to join the other culture war side instead, getting invested in political shit they otherwise wouldn't have cared about. I didn't follow him closely but I wouldn't be surprised if Akiman went from "I should be able to draw hot anime girls without annoying people screaming in my ear" to "I'm gonna read about QAnon on Gab, because I dislike The Woke".
As stated before with that "anti-woke" lady who writes yuri porn though, this is really stupid because once you step out of niche "conservative nerd" circles on Twitter you'll realize the average normie right winger will hate you for being a "degenerate anime coomer" just as much as the worst radlibs and also want your stuff gone. I feel like Japan's going through the same thing America did where right wing talking heads try to get nerds on board by saying "look, we'll defend your problematic stuff! we're not triggered SJWs!" - and how did that turn out? Is Milo Yiannopoulos fighting censorship? No, he's a "pray the gay away" guy now while US conservatives are trying to ban all forms of pornography, call video games degenerate & say anime waifus groom you into being trans.
>>24918I really need to read Sandland. Toriyama always struck me as the kinda guy who'd never cuck out to America.
>>24898A lot of female yuri artists are into loli
>>24958can you offer any kind of evidence for each of these statements? closest is yosuke inu cuz you can look up his work and find that manga but the rest is nothing. who even is "hatsumi san"?
here, searching "トランス from:224_miyano" gives you some basic evidence of that artist having those views. you can do the rest.
>>23544>Cause he constantly spews right-wing rhetoric? the guy spews some incredibly dumb things that get him trending often in Japan and even western news sites and puts even the most vile anti-feminists to shame. So are you going to post an example? I don't really see it. I think he writes good female characters.
>Gantz also starts strong and degrades super fast and I rather enjoyed the vampire arc which most hateIt's one of the few bajillion volume mangas I've ever finished. Most of those fall off way harder, but yeah maybe he could've made it shorter.
>I mean if you just like meaningless combat with no story no characters and crappy cg art I guess it's fineBull Gantz has a lot of story and just character drama without fighting or action.
>>25013I looked through his tweets and all I got out of it was "he dislikes Hollywood idpol/girlbossing but still enjoys movies with such content for their artistic merits if they're well made"
"Puts even the most vile anti-feminists to shame" Yeah I don't think a career redpill/PUA/incel guy would say "I don't really agree with this movie's ideas but I still enjoyed it". What did he say that's so extreme? For all I know maybe he did make some really out there comments but multiple posts ITT just make these sweeping judgments and offer nothing to back them up. Like the Riyoko Ikeda thing that turned out to be nothing more than "she can be on friendly terms with conservatives sometimes" with no hint that she actually wimps out on her views in any way.
>>25012Hatsumi san is another name he goes by, but Ryoumoto Hatsumi is his more common name. Found him again on Twitter as he was recently banned before and he's liking and retweeting LDP Akira Amari.
>>25013Bruh of anyone posted here Gantz author is the one 100% reactionary guy, he's just an ass hole to everyone and big on AI.
>>25027I'd be more surprised if his knowledge of feminism DID go beyond reading some stupid culture war spats on Twitter. He's a 53 year old man who makes stuff that looks like this & has probably had a very alienating workaholic manga schedule for a very, very long time given he's consistently jumped from one series to the next. 2 year break between Hen and Zero One, then immediately Gantz, then Maetel no Kimochi (the manga where the "Bark!" "You don't understand!" meme comes from) running alongside it, then after Gantz finished he quickly jumped to Inuyashiki etc.
Also I just found out Hen which is mainly known for yuri started out as a yaoi & gender-bending thing
https://mangapedia.com/%E5%A4%89%EF%BC%BBHEN%EF%BC%BD-ubm59lbbt >>25039Yeah I notice there used to be more dudes drawing shonen & seinen in a shoujo-like style back in the day like the Area 88 & Desert Rose guy.
Comic High IIRC marketed itself as "shoujo manga for men" but 1. that's more for moe appeal reasons & 2. Girl Friends, Kodomo no Jikan and Chu-Bra which look exceptionally girly all have female authors. Even Potemayo does, which doesn't look that shoujoey.
>>25012I don't blindly dump them into the hitlist and i dont keep exact records, they certainly did or said something deserving. Hatsumi is the artist for
>>24958 I just scrolled down and @mkw48_az had Walsh on his feed ew
>>25043Sure but I don't know you personally, and we're all anonymous, so it's still best to provide evidence with every claim. If I took everything posted in this thread at face value I'd think Rose of Versailles' author was a LDP conservative and a scoldy radfem now, neither of which turned out to be true.
And yeah she's a cuck if she's promoting Matt Walsh as a yaoi author to own the transes. He doesn't like gays, he doesn't like anime, he'd call her a degenerate too.
>>25158>And yeah she's a cuck if she's promoting Matt Walsh as a yaoi author to own the transes. He doesn't like gays, he doesn't like anime, he'd call her a degenerate too.Yeah, tell that to right-libertarians, these fools still think conservatives care about liberty. This false advertisement of conservatives as freethinking freedom fighters is such a dogpile of bullshit, everyone who thinks conservatives care about freedom more than they care about their Christian values is fooling themself. It's such an obvious fucking psyop, holy shit.
Glad Trump got booed at that right-libertarian conference, not all lolberts have lost their marbles at least.
Surprising one is Nobuyuki Fukumoto, seen pictures with him and Katsuya Takasu.
>>25038Seeing all that AI art on his feed and some from himself, best he doesn't get a netflix show.
>>25179that's cause fukumoto is best friends with his
wife for decades. she's some award winning child's mangaka and is buddies with him as well now
>>25043way to many people are oblivious this guy hates all forms of art. i've seen furry artists follow him lol
>>23273I used to see leftist themes in a lot of works, now days I'm not so quick to equate that with the authors beliefs. I remember Yusuke Muratas(one punch) statement that he never dabbled in politics until LDP Akamatsu ran and then the next minute the guy was retweeting Kishida posts.
>>24958Fujoshis are miserable, not surprising.
>>24542>usually yuri mangakas are men. The only sources I could find stated that yuri authors are overwhelmingly female. I didn't look very hard to be fair, just googled "yuri authors by gender".
>General audience for yuri is usually dominated by menOnce again, the only polls I found indicated it's either a bit more popular among women or around equal.
>>25651I tried doing my own test and that still appears to be wrong, at least in terms of authors. I went to nhentai (a mostly male site I believe) and searched "yuri females only -gender" (idk if you want to include gender bender, I feel like it's usually more its own genre, if you included it it'd probably be more mtf), and searched artists one by one. Around 2/3s of them I couldn't easily find a gender, for the rest I got 12 female 8 male.
If you're talking about the audience then yeah I'd guess it's mostly male, idk about "overwhelmingly" but maybe.
>>25661found a recent thread with some updated stats on yuri mangaka genders, yep it seems still mostly women. it does not include hentai, but yuri mangaka being so tilted towards women I cant imagine hentai ones being majority male
https://www.reddit.com/r/yuri_manga/comments/1bjuhuo/yuri_mangaka_gender_database_2024_edition/>>24050seeing this trend all of a sudden on my social feed, news moves so slow
>>24707>and early JCP resolutions being pretty prudish(violent/sexual games bad for kids stuff)responding to oldass shit but again this is just lame given the actually cool leftist/communist creators in the past had plenty of "problematic" material in their work, sexual and violent.
was Tezuka's Dororo literally saying "fight those in power" giving a bad message to shonen audiences cuz it had aestheticized gore meant to be visually fun to look at? kids should be able to separate that from reality just as they separate Tom & Jerry violence treated as funny (even really dark shit like Tom being guillotined). plus sometimes you kinda have to use violence in the real world. as for more realistic disturbing stuff, yeah no shit, that's what ratings boards are for (I know CERO sucks shit, but you get what I mean).
why throw the legacy of are all the dead creators who historically supported you under the bus, and alienate the ones who could easily end up supporting you otherwise? I agree loli/shota is a different can of worms & can make normies go "wtf", but a general "fun violence and eroticism bad" just makes you look scoldy & lame. you can't force people to evolve past those monkey-brained desires by finger-wagging at them. yeah I'm not butthurt at Doraemon, a literal kodomo franchise, dropping the frankly out-there loli stuff no matter how leftist the original creators were (especially since it can give kids a weird fetish for life), but that's not all that eroticism in manga/anime is. especially if you're aiming for youth going through puberty, yeah no shit they like hot characters.
as far as sexual stuff goes I just think they could tone down the weirder nonconsensual/overtly pedo (as in not even teens) stuff in shonen/shoujo. do whatever in adult stuff, but it feels kinda groomy to make kids attracted to molestation, relationships between adult teachers & prepubescents, or "sexy abusive bad boys" from a young age in shonen/shoujo manga. better to introduce em to healthier sexuality first. the general "objectification of women" argumentation is just addressed by having varied characters (diverse women AND men, portrayed as both sexy and nonsexy). people who come at it from a "degeneracy" angle are not even worth addressing.
>>26407On second reading, I think you misunderstand something. Shonen is teen manga, I don't think stuff like Chainsawman is supposed to be enjoyed by the prepubescent kids at all. Kids have kodomomuke, if you give Chainsawman to a 7yo you're either crazy or don't actually give a fuck.
Yes, stuff like Astro Boy (and Mega Man by extension) is considered shonen but not like you're that limited in what kind of plots you show to teenagers, plus I think the shonen demographic used to be younger in the 60s.
>>26407It seems the JCP has recently doubled down on banning all porn. While many blamed the Olympics for the removal of erotic manga and AV from convenience stores, it turned out the real push came from JCP lobbying the unions to get rid of them. Westerners often have this odd perception of the JCP as staunch defenders of everything, but this is the same party that once argued horror movies were as degenerate as porn, campaigned for removal of war themes in media and wartime songs, and even went after jazz because they despised mass entertainment. It's why a lot point at it as a conservative party
As for the OP, I can’t locate the exact thread, but it was posted here at some point a massive Twitter thread cataloging around 100 problematic mangakas with receipts. Honestly, it was overwhelming, and most of the "right-wing" beliefs boiled down to them just being overtly racist
>>26419These are essentially Project 2025 views - compare the New Japan Women's Association stuff to… literally Project 2025. They don't bring up the trans part at least, but I suspect Japanese TERFs are happier than a pig in shit about this.
I think a big part of it is the way liberal feminism & SWERF ideology kinda merged together in the anglophone west's pop-"leftism" & the two ideologies are selectively invoked depending on whatever "triggers the enemy" more at the moment. You'd immediately (and rightfully) get called out if you said "this female pop star needs to cover up, she's promoting the objectification of women" - but going "women can promote misogyny too :)" over a female artist liking big titted cartoon girls was outright encouraged at one point. Most other cultures' minds aren't honed for the anglophones' omnipresent societal doublethink though. If they see a constant barrage of "we need to get rid of disgusting coomer slop that degrades women" from the capital of the world, they'll just have their full-blown SWERF sectors' views empowered & mainstreamed with no nonsensical caveats like "it's fine when a woman does erotic cosplay, only the drawings that inspired it are harmful" (not even strawmanning, I literally saw an "enlightened game analyst" dude claim the character designs themselves are bad BUT their cosplayers are ok when the geek-feminism trend was huge). I first started noticing this long ago with the Russian equivalent of Tumblr feminists, who leaned radfem & were much more overt about thinking skimpy outfits are inherently degrading. Yeah America's been kinda moving away from these views lately and you see more "oof yikes" designs, but the snowball's been rolling since 2012 and it's massive now, globally.
It's particularly lame for this to happen to Japan though, because hyper-sexualizing both male and female characters is already what otaku did. It's not uncommon for random male Pixiv fappers to get off on both (not even just "femboy" or shota art; I've seen full-blown bishonen yaoi porn artists popular with dudes who also liked typical male-targeted hentai), and fujoshi will either draw "objectified" genderbend art of their favorite yaoi pairs ("oof her back" boobs often included) or just embrace outright "male gaze" yuri like Valkyrie Drive or Murcielago, make their own similar stuff etc. It was a great nerd culture for the actual solution of "just sexualize both & give everyone what they want" to be fully put into practice. Instead they've been importing the "id-driven sex appeal is right wing, 'sensible' art is left wing" mindset. And in fact there have been viral tweets from fujoshi about how both the incel & radfem sides only make things worse for them (their really puritanical feminists tend to also be generally anti-otaku to no one's surprise).
>>26418I've seen a Japanese comment say "I figured out Kakugo no Susume* is shonen, thus fine to show it to my young kids, but it's got really fucked up stuff in it!" so it seems very vague. A lot of shonens seem fine for younger kids while others are clearly only made for older teens, and it seems it can become confusing to Japanese people too. Better to just have age ratings than these arbitrary and needlessly gender-segregated descriptors (I think even Ishinomori wasn't a fan of that - just a statement I read with no source so take it with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't be surprised given what his "shonen" & shoujo" were like)
>>26414I think it IS something that's hard to approach for your average person, unless they're already into "risky" fiction. Personally, if you go beyond preconceived societal standards of what's been normalized and what hasn't been, I think it's comparable to the more controversial violent games where you get to kill random people for fun like GTA (and let's not forget GTA can mechanically reward you for rampaging). People try to say "well no, I just like the gameplay, you like LITERAL child porn" - if that's the case why haven't the devs done what censors do & replaced civilians with zombies, which is what happened to Carmageddon (tbh I'd argue there are weirder implications to zombie fiction where zombies represent the "mindless masses" but that's another can of worms)? No it's because sometimes you just wanna be a psycho when you play video games. Both entail having fun with a pretty dark aspect of your humanity but most people's brains are built and socialized in such a way that the mere idea of it happening in real life (let alone *doing it yourself*) disgusts them.
I've explored this argument and people's responses to it from a variety of positions and from the left it tends to be a vague "no, GTA is not the same, shut up" without much elaboration and from the right it goes into insane "porn addiction ZOG coomer brainwashing nofap" rhetoric to explain how masturbatory aid is fundamentally different. Zoomers, though, can be pretty united in being against both fun sex & fun violence (and it's not even their fault - millennials' hypocritical bullshit groomed them into it & if anything, they're more consistent in getting triggered by both).
>>26481>New Japan Women's AssociationIt's funny how I'm only aware of this group because they helped remove eromanga from stores in my country here
>>24695. I think they went by Women Action Network then
>>23291A lot of politicians are trying to get him removed for misogyny, 12k qrts as of recent. You would have a better reception if you stopped with all the lib slang and just questioned if it's appropriate for the Ministry of Defense reppin it
https://x.com/yuzo_takayama/status/1870435571895833074I've noticed most delinquent manga are also pretty conservative. initial D ends with a big fat JSDF recruitment ad and a big chunk of them join it. Another more OP related thing is there's a book authored by Oshii Mamoru and Tetsuya Nishio called Wanwan Meiji Restoration, it's just a big circlejerk over justifying Japan subjugating Korea and covering for war criminals. It was also interesting to learn that Hirano Kouta and Rei Hiroe clashed over political differences Rei held more leftist views, while Hirano leaned to the right. But I’m just rambling now
>>26491honestly yeah "it's cringey and makes us look stupid" is better than "this is oppressive". and given it's basically shota fetish art it's goofy to go "this is about women"
>I've noticed most delinquent manga are also pretty conservativenot sure about politics but it's def got the kinda machismo & misogyny you'd expect all shonen/seinen to have on how geek-feminist critics talk about it; some of the most "dicks out no fucks given" stuff I've seen lol. Kyou Kara Ore Wa is exceptionally female-friendly though.
>>26492Hiroe is the kinda guy who goes "vote JCP" then says "RIP Shinzo Abe", so he strikes me more as a traditional "Japanese politeness" leftist than a modern one who gets really angry and aggressive. so while I haven't seen it I highly doubt his argument with Hirano was a shouting match
Katabuchi too (Black Lagoon anime director) when he adapted The Clever Princess into Pricess Arete for 4C went out of his way to make the male villain more humanized, experience his own form of prejudice and learn something by the end (but I don't think it goes against the original author's vision since she got less "boys stink" since getting a son too)
>>26492yeah I noticed that long ago and I thought "there might be something to it if they were as close as he implied"
Koukoku no Shugosha's artist (written by Highschool of the Dead's Daisuke Satou), also Gundam IBO's character designer, seems super lib.
>>26481>These are essentially Project 2025 views - compare the New Japan Women's AssociationMarxist Yamamoto Yohane who made the erotic Marx Girl manga went to extreme lengths to try and sway them away from this whole ban porn mindset and was attending all sorts of JCP meetings, sadly he passed away from covid when he was talking about making inroads with the party. Marxist Naoki Yamamoto on the other hand supports all the ban porn, ban moe art in public and this guy has done tons of erotic works so yeah
>>26494>I highly doubt his argument with Hirano was a shouting matchIt was an argument about the JSDF buying those junk ospreys, he's always been somewhat reactionary complaining about feminists and celebrating the whole Elon nuking the twitterJP cause people believed they were influencing the algorithm so it only showed left-wing sites
https://x.com/hiranokohta/status/5525535476154369 >>26496>Marxist Yamamoto Yohane who made the erotic Marx Girl manga went to extreme lengths to try and sway them away from this whole ban porn mindset and was attending all sorts of JCP meetings, sadly he passed away from covid when he was talking about making inroads with the party.damn, rest in power my general goon secretary
>Marxist Naoki Yamamoto on the other hand supports all the ban porn, ban moe art in public and this guy has done tons of erotic works so yeahit's the "trotskist becoming a neocon" or "hippie to union busting CEO" type shit, from erotic artist to pearl clutcher.
>>26481>Zoomers, though, can be pretty united in being against both fun sex & fun violence (and it's not even their fault - millennials' hypocritical bullshit groomed them into it & if anything, they're more consistent in getting triggered by both).Millennials want their juniors to be just as miserable and limp-wristed as them.
>>23946What's with this bellyaching about porn that's infested LeftyPol for the past month?
>>26418I beg to differ. Kids are not all the same. In the 1970s and 80s we had kids watching horror films.
I think that children's media needs more realism. This aversion to realism is kinda bad for personal maturation.
>>24972>>24960We dont have a genuine leftist sphere anymore.
It's just now adapted to neocon talking points.
LeftyPol is just 4chan under a hammer-and-sickle
>>26491>I've noticed most delinquent manga are also pretty conservative.I mean, that """delinquent""" manga isn't very delinquent, the delinquents are either harmless or are usually forced to get integrated back into the Japanese capitalist system, they can't really remain delinquents.
>>26494>the kinda machismo & misogyny you'd expect all shonen/seinen to have>geek-feminist criticsAhh, shit. Here we go again.
>>26496>It was an argument about the JSDF buying those junk ospreys, he's always been somewhat reactionary complaining about feminists and celebrating the whole Elon nuking the twitterJP cause people believed they were influencing the algorithm so it only showed left-wing sitesI mean, it is pretty obvious Twitter pushed "left" (moreso radlib) culture war stuff before the Elon takeover; but now you have a guy who thinks "GTA is too mean to cops", and hangs out with radfems, in charge of the website, which means you just see a lot more right wingers acting no different from the "triggered libs" if someone makes fun of Christianity or draws a sexy nun. The reason for the universal "bellyaching about porn"
>>26502 pointed out is that's the general direction many people are moving towards, left or right. Didn't know about Yamamoto Yohane but I see Genpei Akasegawa's horse in that first pic so I'm sure she had good taste.
The funny thing is the way anti-sex people on both sides act like their position is the one that's triggering the opposition ("libtards love their degenerate ZOG-brainwashing porn"/"conservatard dudebros love objectifying women") while both moving things in the same cultural direction
>>26513>she*he, I'm stupid
>>26496Didn't know Red's Naoki Yamamoto was an "ok, I don't wanna be left behind by the progressive leftist wave, I guess eroticism is bad now lol :)" guy, though. Sucks but not too surprising given what the average born-again western right-wing nerd used to be into, or in the case of Mori Natsuko *still is* into yuri porn while hanging out with anti-gay politicians. Eroticism, like fun violence, is an id-driven thing and many people enjoy being part of a culture war side to belong to "something greater" and go beyond their monkey-brained desires. It just feels worse when it's someone talented (dude even had a Manben episode) and not some porn LN writer or Twitter memer who makes soyjaks in mspaint.
That said, with Naoki, I get the feeling that part of it is just him just being younger than the people he wrote about. Red covers 1969-1972; the dude was only 12 years old in 1972. So while older communists could acknowledge this stuff as lame social conservatism (especially since they had to deal with a lot of it), I could see someone younger buy the idea that "complaining about anime boobs is just a natural evolution of the new left of the 60s, the women's lib movement of the 70s etc".
Doesn't always apply since Yohane is even younger and was his assistant, but I think it probably makes it more likely.
>>26513>now you have a guy who thinks "GTA is too mean to cops", and hangs out with radfems, in charge of the websiteWhy is there no noticeable pushback against cultural extremism? We have ultraprogressives. We have ultraconservatives. Where are all the ultracentrists? Bring the "radical" back into "radical centrism!" Guillotines for everyone! Make Jacobinism great again!
>Feminists? DEAD.>Masculists? DEAD.>Progressives? DEAD.>Reactionaries? DEAD.>Radlibs? DEAD.>Bigots? DEAD.>Zionists? DEAD.>Anti-Semites? DEAD.>Christian fundamentalists? DEAD.>Jihadists? DEAD.Everyone's dead. Everyone. Noone will be left alive, we'll murder everyone in sight.
>>26565>I don't wanna be left behind by the progressive leftist waveI think it's a combination of this and that he just really despises the freedom of expression warrior types like @himasoraakane who he has gotten into a few Twitter beefs about zoning and wants nothing to do with their fight. Attached is the bunka interview, here's the ashai one shortly after which got a lot of backlash for
https://x.com/ymils_y/status/1714214894990746051 and he has just degenerated more on the issue since
>>26574First of all, do you have a source to Bunka interview? Is there a way to read the Asahi one without paying?
Second, that just comes off as pure wimpy cope given that we're already in the "ok, but all of it is bad and needs to go" phase, Japan included. The way he went "this is just how it is under capitalism" in the Asahi article also sounds like Twitter autopilot where you're not addressing the fact that the supposed "anti-capitalists" are also pushing for censorship, or the fact that you yourself are defending it as a supposed anti-capitalist. And this brings me to
>>26578 - I'd say the "trad" conservatives who do their own deranged crybullying are the new SJWs, not the ones who oppose censorship of erotic content (though the latter do have their issues). Himasora Akane sounds like a dumbass who says genuine incel shit still, but you don't need to suck his dick to take a stand against all the dumb shit that's been attached to the JCP. The ballsy thing to do is to just say "both are bad" - Yamamoto simply sounds like a coward who doesn't want to rock the boat too much so he says "the bad stuff my people are doing is not a big deal" (even invokes "just watch porn" which is a terrible opinion… doubly so if you're a port artist yourself!) Again I wouldn't even care if he wasn't a great artist. I've seen some random loli artist take the same stances on Twitter and didn't really give a shit.
I'd honestly be 100% fine with the stance of "yeah just don't plaster that all over in public" but everything is a dumbass slippery slope now. If influential conservatives came out and said "we need to get rid of sexual content in public" I wouldn't think that's too suspicious *in a vacuum*, but given who it's coming from OBVIOUSLY there's more to it. I'm not gonna make an exception for SWERF/radfem types cuz the JCP adopted them.
>>26565Then again, Otokogumi's Tetsu Kariya is very old and is involved with Norikoenet, which seems to roll with these general puritanical views, so maybe that makes my theory go to shit. On the other hand he's like 83 years old, probably joined them for anti-racist/anti-imperialist reasons (he's been a hardcore "fuck the emperor" guy for eons and made multiple works about it), and the last tweet Norikoenet has about him is from 8 freaking years ago, so I dunno if he's actually invested in this subject. Himasora Akane supporters like to call him a hypocrite for being involved, but does he even have the strength left to do what Yamamoto Yohane did? Does he even KNOW what the fuck is going on with regards to stupid culture war shit?
>>26575I disagree with the idea that it's IMPOSSIBLE to remain that way but it's very rare to find people who truly, genuinely stand by it and don't end up making exceptions for stupid behavior as long as it comes from the side they're more inclined towards. Even if they exist they largely will keep quiet and not get involved with public discourse - those who do are EXTREMELY rare. You probably need to have a more than slightly unusual brain to always call things out no matter what, and in the end you'll just end up looking like this guy to most people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5rHthCXoA - I should know. Joe Rogan is a pretty good example of that. You don't NEED to move to the right if you're becoming disillusioned with the modern left but it's pretty clear that's what's going on.
I also think "centrist" is kind of a misnomer. As shown by the Yamamoto Yohane example from earlier you can be a full-blown Marxist and still criticize misguided ideas on your side. But again you probably need to be more than a little autistic to not "go with the flow" and always be critical. But I also think people like that are important.
>>26580>Even if they exist they largely will keep quiet and not get involved with public discourse - those who do are EXTREMELY rare.Well, we're still here, anon. Even with the influx of both conservative and radlib posters on this site, I still oppose both wokeness and conservatism equally, even if it's a chore to do. I even oppose Z posters here which is almost anathema. There is still enough pushback on this particular site, although I understand how it becomes harder and harder with each and every day, as I am more afraid of conflicts or getting my words misinterpreted or getting called a reactionary or a NATO shill (I hate both reactionaries and NATO). If it keeps happening I might leave but I don't think this imageboard is at its lowest state yet, it's probably one of the only places where we can even have these types of arguments still (which explains the low popularity of the "both sides are bad" position).
>As shown by the Yamamoto Yohane example from earlier you can be a full-blown Marxist and still criticize misguided ideas on your side.That's why I said "cultural centrism" instead of "economic." Tbh, it's not necessary to be a cultural centrist to oppose culture warriors (post-leftists are a good example), it's just the next best thing for people who aren't really politically and philosophically educated.
>>26579Bunka interview
https://bunkaonline.jp/archives/280. There were some screencaps of the full Asahi one around when it was released, but I can't find them anymore. lots of screencaps from the QRT's on the original article tweet of important bits of the article
https://x.com/asahi/status/1713821591585558551. will reply to some of your points later though
>>24707Returning to this
>i can see articles going back to 2003 in the red flag calling for some form of AV regulation>here's the largest anti-porn org PAPs plastered all over the red flagDid their articles around 2003 say "we need to ban all of it"? The porn industry is known for being abusive as hell so "some form of regulation" is a good thing. The problem with PAPS is they don't differentiate between abusive practices and the idea that porn in and of itself, whether it's an abusive corporation, Onlyfans-tier stuff or just posting images on Twitter.
>>26491They were never known as the Women's Action network. Different groups.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8D%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AFhttps://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E5%A9%A6%E4%BA%BA%E3%81%AE%E4%BC%9A>>24695>Reminder the only reason Australia moved against it was cause the JCP member Kazuko Ito lobbied Australian lawmakers for itJust how involved is she with the JCP really? There are two people with the same name after all:
https://www.jcp-tokyo.net/page-97694https://x.com/KazukoIto_LawThe latter (the one we're talking about) only mentioned the JCP three times in her entire tweeting history.
Also for what it's worth, she denied that she was the mastermind behind it all
https://x.com/KazukoIto_Law/status/1234512691470860288 >>26742lol propaganda. every idiot here always places ideas before reality. and quoting a fucking video game?
before i get the usual reply theres a huge difference between IRL agitating and educating proletarians who are already mobilizing and vaguely leftoid media made by and for the middle class. morons always want to pat themselves in the back for doing irrelevant shit because their class position makes them completely impotent
>>26743>and quoting a fucking video game?A quote you recognized :^)
>every idiot here always places ideas before realityAnd everyone who pretends to have read Marx thinks proles will automatically become revolutionary when the right time comes and no effort is needed to persuade or direct them, after all they'll be "already mobilizing". Guess we'll just see how that works out!
>>26730>Just how involved is she with the JCP really?She is VP of Human rights now!
https://hrn.or.jp/eng/about/board-members/, the president is Niikura Osamu, who is more closely linked with the JCP, endorses them, and does seminars for them. Both are apart of the attorney associations IADL and JALISA, you'll see all their names sat right beside rows of JCP members if you look up any petition letter from them directed at the government. You'll just find anyone associated with the tokyo attorney bar linked with the JCP. It's no coincidence the same politician she met with made the call to ban it a few days after the meeting or perhaps it's the NGO that should shoulder the blame
>>26579>Tetsu KariyaHe has been travelling china for the past for years championing the uyghur issue, he's really invested into it and I'm not sure if norikoenet cares for it or not
>>25179>>25270I don't think it's just Fukumoto at all. Rieko Saibara seems to have… a LOT of pull, and loves to promote her husband. Even happily posed at Yasukuni Shrine with him
https://x.com/katsuyatakasu/status/897314859414466561 (for a little bonus, check out the Japanese people getting mad at him in the quote-tweets for uh… being a fake far-right grifter who's not treating the trip seriously enough & not honoring the glorious WW2 heroes properly; they seem madder than the leftists shitting on the tweet hilariously enough!)
As for the aforementioned "pull", just look at all the authors listed here, willing to contribute to a project that regularly promotes Takasu including Fujiko Fujio A, Hagio Moto, Makoto Kobayashi (the What's Michael guy, we already know the mech guy heils Hitler but he WASN'T there), Takashi Murakami, Hisashi Eguchi, Takashi Yanase, George Morikawa, Keiko Takemiya, Chica Umino, Tomoko Ninomiya, Tooru Fujisawa, and many oth- wait, fucking Naoki Yamamoto was there? Holy shit!
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B07KND8PRBWhat's more, one of the main hosts of the drawing events this book series covers (where her husband was often present) is… Shinjuku Loft Plus One. I assumed Loft Project were pretty hard left as an open secret given their support of Masao Adachi, but it looks like they were fine hosting Takasu at the very least between 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huxsq7228dI&ab_channel=kaijijiji337 and 2014
https://natalie.mu/comic/news/130217 By the way, Adachi's Revolution+1 event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0oMt3bsDCc took place in the exact same room.
Now you might say, "Didn't Takasu go far right around 2015-17?" - not really! He announced his love of Hitler on his blog aaaaaaalllll the way back in 2008 (earlier than what Japanese Wikipedia acknowledges), then elaborated further upon it in two future posts in 2009 to make sure you know he wasn't doing it a bit, including a post with the extremely subtle dogwhistle title of "Heil Hitler":
https://ameblo.jp/drtakasu/entry-10129011524.htmlhttps://ameblo.jp/drtakasu/entry-10325631939.htmlhttps://ameblo.jp/drtakasu/entry-10325803640.htmlThen, also before that final Loft event, he made a shitload of fucking tweets about Hitler as if the deal needed to be further sealed. Someone even put a bunch of them together as a "hey, this guy is a pretty big fan of Hitler" statement so there was already drama over it. Again note Masao Adachi affiliates Loft Project platformed him AFTER said drama.
https://posfie.com/@shshsh1237/p/UcrCnjdhttps://x.com/search?q=from%3Akatsuyatakasu%20%E3%83%92%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC&src=typed_query&f=liveDoes this mean the manga/anime industry is full of secret nazis, including Rieko's friends who built a left-wing image for themselves? Honestly I doubt it, about as much as I doubt supporters of Nobuhiro Watsuki (or those who simply kept silent about his immense number of supporters) all collect child porn or have sex with children. I think it's more likely that politeness & desire to not rock the boat overrides dunking on a well-established industry friend for marrying & constantly promoting a neo-nazi (or even just refusing to be involved with a project where she featured him heavily). Make of that what you will.
>>28417Seems more like "everyone ignored their friend's husband thought Hitler was a superhero and she'd obviously been picking up his views" lol. But apparently there's been controversy of her abusing her daughter around 2022 so maybe that caused extra backlash? Still, something really hilarious about the people who funded Masao Adachi's "the guy who killed Shinzo Abe was a hero, fuck this sick country" movie also hosting this nazi guy at one of their famous venues for 5 years while he was constantly tweeting & blogging "Hitler was a stand up guy".
Though I'd say a lot of the media & entertainment industry ignoring Taki Mag & the circles around it is a pretty close America equivalent.
>>28439>>28440Well first of all which mangaka did that? I really don't give a shit about voice actors' views since they don't impact the actual narrative content of a work; good directors with a strong vision will make them do what benefits the ideas already set in stone.
Second I don't think the problem is them being "tricked" it's that people are emotional and stupid so after seeing a lot of annoying left-leaning people online they're easily converted to spiteful right-wing views. I know Jeffrey has been obnoxiously culture warry before, like equating Tezuka's leftism to disrespectful US localizer practices to defend the latter (despite that Tezuka dunked on scoldy white people multiple times & had to deal with insane US localizers for the Jungle Emperor anime). So it's like, yeah she's a stereotypical asshole Japanese nationalist but guys like him helped give gaijins & leftists unlikable optics in the mainstream.
>>28439oofskie, Megumi Ogata covering for her, certainly a vibe shift from American VA political leanings and Japanese ones
>>28445Japanese are more lenient on pedophilia than xenophobia and racism
>>28445Dude got caught with so much cp they though he was making it and just got a fine
Then someone mangaka invited him to his kids birthday party right after that
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