>24214>uygha which characters?It's stated several times, Use CTRL + F because I'm not spoonfeeding you something I explained in detail with clear terminology. I'm tired of it.
>You care more about western slop then westerners for being supposedly from the East. You're mentally ill. How are Japanese anime "Western slop for Westerners"? It's primary demographic is JAPAN, always has been.
>How does one show they are trans though? The same way you depict any sex or sexuality - relative to the story being told. If it's irrelevant to the story it doesn't matter, if it is then you depict it as is important to the story, same as gay relationships or anything else for that matter.
>Its not an attempt to misinterpert you. <You get really butthurt and sneedy over the smallest things Uhuh, sure.
>You haven't It's LITERALLY in this thread multiple times; links, images, pdfs and explained examples. You are outright fucking denying actual reality at this point. Take medication and get help, you are genuinely insane.
>You used the word trap which is a slur Trap isn't a slur, and talking about a word and its meaning is not the same as actively using it. Piss off. Simple as.
>You literally wanted prove of me being trans. I don't WANT your proof, I stated that if you use a claim of IDENTITY for a topic, then back it up. In the meantime you ignore opinions of other trans people I literally posted and linked to. I only stated that your accusations against me have no proof and I take action, so what you accuse me of does not matter, because
I know what I've done. What you're doing is literal COINTEL PRO tactics, dismissing and ignoring proof provided, refusing to provide proof, then demanding impossible proof. You can prove your identity characteristics (race, sex, etc.) without doxxing yourself, it's been done here many, many times, one cannot prove activities because names or similar must be attached to such things to prove one actually did things, not to mention that I'm not recording my actions for clout so I can't exactly post proof of confronting a nazi. Your false equivalencies are insane.
>just same angry dude in his basement. As I said before; just because you wish it was so, does not make your accusations true.
>Even aside from me you are rude to others first in this thread and even others <This retard genuinely thinks everyone Tor posting is the same personAnd no, you are incorrect, the first post of yours I responded to was a strawman that accused a long, well-explained effort-post of being /pol/ because you didn't actually have an argument and just wanted to concern troll. My other posts to people ITT who, unlike you, weren't bad faith are completely different.
>Then you get super butthurt You give Cinema projectors a run for their money in terms of your ability to impose unto others your insecurities.
>That's a bit of a stretch to compare cartoons you are angry at.Nazi propaganda Being obtuse does not take away from my point.
>Not an argument as you say. You are backpedaling though.There's no argument to make against a foundationless non-argument accusation. At no point did I argue "rep is bad" and I explained so.
>That is not what I am doing You are, because you brought it up as conversational clout regarding the issue at hand.
>I am trying to however give my viewpoint as the group being discussed. Now who's backpedaling. No, you asserted multiple times that either all, or most trans people say X, believe Y and do Z, without a shred of proof other than to just take your word for it.
>minority entitlement does again sound like a conservative term and take. Because you're terminally online and culture war obsessed.
>Bro its just the majority population? <What is material analysis of the socio-economic environment relative to Population Demographics? Read fucking Marx, Read Hegel, Read Engels
>Bro like why do you need rep? Can't you enjoy playing as white guy number 4569? Strawman argument I never made. You realize you're doing /pol/ a favor by letting them live Rent Free in your head, right?
>So you are butthurt at minorities in your vidya? I don't play "vidya" you /v/ermin. I replied to the example given with a materialist explanation of why such trends exist and why media has different representation relative to the population demographics of the country involved. Nowhere did I say anything about "rep bad" as you continue to strawman.
>ou can dress it up but you seem to like this American centric first worldism… given how butthurt You're the one that keeps bringing up burger talking points
>our reaction to "I am happy that creators want to represent people more" <entitled piece of shit! I called you entitled, not because of representation, but because most people, trans or not, have bigger concerns than what representation they get in a Japanese cartoon or game, and media development/marketing is based on the majority population of the country its made in/for, because different countries have different demographics and cultures, which you pointedly ignore. The funny part is you're deliberately being vague about what media you're talking about despite blatantly referring to the Bridget shit you brought up, because you KNOW that I specifically explained how that specific example of supposed "trans rep" is fucking transphobic by narrative, and also erases gender non-conforming males, and that trans rep with original characters has existed just fine, with several examples given ITT several times.
>You really do just sound like those chinlets who go "There was a trans or a black in my game. The west has fallen." I don't. The person to bring up video games was you, when you brought up Bridget and Guilty Gear. Prior to that I did not mention the character. I pointed out that them being trans is a retroactive change that contradicts the story and that other characters in anime and games that are trans did not get the backlash Bridget got, because they were original characters that did not have to change an established character for the sake of cheap tokenism. See
>>24048 and take meds.
>"It did a thing I dislike and I admit I am half a world away from it an engage in it still" The fuck does this even mean? By that metric, why are you engaging in this? Oh right, because you're obsessed.
>Or the very real examples I gave? You didn't give any fucking examples, you made broad-stroke claims using your identity to speak for other trans people while providing no evidence or specific examples whatsoever.
>Again why I even brought up my minority status since its a thing that effects me And again, I don't take your claim at face value. I provided examples of several trans people on social media, from America and Japan making their opinion known and having actual accounts, not being anonymous figures behind a computer screen.
>Its not irreverent.Correct!
>a group of people are trying to tell you about an issue and then you hand wave them off, you are the sociopath. See this is another broad-stroke argument that is deliberately vague about 'the group' and 'the issue'. Trap is an online weeb term, you know it, I know it, everyone here knows it. It's not used IRL almost ever. Furthermore despite your presentation, trans people are not a homogenous hive-mind and many do not associate the word trap with trans, mostly because the term has NEVER been ABOUT transsexuals real or fictional, and the few people that have misused it to that end, are either ignorant or outliers.
>That wasn't the point that OP was making however. OP was talking about fetishization, dehumanization, and even alienation and the contradiction some right wingers have. If that's what OP's point was, then why only talk about Futa? Why literally admit its nothing more than culture war nonsense? You're creating excuses for the OP when the OP is obviously pissy because a handful of retards on 4chan talk about the genitalia of a fictional third sex, when even other 4chan autists within the fetish-group don't care about it. OP states clearly "It's about Exclusion" from the futa fetish.They don't say this is about all pornography. Makes no mention of exploitation through pornography, nor condemns fetish and fetishization. You're projecting that onto the OP.
>the contradiction some right wingers have.And that yes.
>She's just a trans girl. I agree, but you're missing the point. Lets walk this through with me step by step
1) Lily as a character exists and appears - the viewer sees a male body in female clothing, which is a common anime trope of being a trap.
2) The STORY then goes into Lily being dysphoric and coming to terms with this after her death, thus technically not a trap. BUT here's the catch
3) A casual user who doesn't know the story will still see the character as said fictional slang-term and visually identify them as such which is why they are from a larger point of view considered a trap, even if it isn't correct by the story. I literally have no dog in this fight relative to Lily, I don't care what people call the character, I'm just analyzing the situation as a recent example, and noting that attacking people for misidentifying an untransitioned fictional illustration is ridiculous, especially in porn. It's not being 'used against her' because nobody is using it about the fictional character with ill-intent, and most people aren't aware of the details so that label is what comes up on the tags, that's it. There is no secret conspiracy to call trans people traps in fiction for whatever reason you may conjure.
>Me and other transwomen have been called trap. Who's stamping their feet; it's a fucking misuse of the terminology. It's like calling a masculine Tomboy, A boy'; the term is being improperly used but it's due to visual reasons.
Not to mention that
A) There are far worse and much more commonly used slurs, with actual deliberate meaning.
B) Most trans people I've met and those who I specifically searched up online relative to the topic, haven't experienced it, and those that have are more annoyed or don't care about what some random weeb says on the internet which is the healthy attitude to have, why give this shit the time of day?
Look up most trans anime-PFP people on twitter, they talk about traps too, a lot in fact. Even reddit rescinded the ban on the word because many users, including trans members of the anime subreddits complained loudly about it. So again, the term isn't about you, and the few people that do use it in such context aren't even using the term correctly. It's never been a slur, and misuse of words is not what a slur is. If you disliked its usage, sorry, but that's not the same as a slur used with malicious intent.
>since you plug your ears and pretend you cannot hear it does not make it go away. The irony of your statement here is that it's literally just a word, and not even one like [insert word-filtered slur].
>Fag is also used against transwomen. Also incorrectly as the terminology relates to a bundle of sticks, which in modern urban mythology, were used to burn homosexuals, hence the association of fag with gays.
>Regardless you seem to lack reading comprehension. Fucking KEK
>above I made a point that using a slur in and of itself is not the issue No you didn't, you just kept repeating the same thing about trans not liking being called it, and kept arguing in circles with me because my entire point is that the term isn't about you, just as futanari isn't about you.
>I was saying that trap was bad since you used it on Lily. And as I explained, I'm not "using" anything, I'm talking about the labels a character is given by the larger anime community. I'm not involved in tagging hentai or fan-art.
>You're really grasping at straws now. That's not what the phrase means. I was demonstrating the flaws of your argument by using an equivalent counter-example.
>Chill dudeBack at you
>hrow a hissy fit acting like people were policing your language when I was trying to tell you why a certain word could be taken as a slur? Why did you throw a fit about a slur you KNOW doesn't refer to you? You keep talking past me and ignoring what I'm trying to say. You kept telling me not to use the word at all, and then backpedaled to "not using it about trans people" which I wasn't doing, I was discussing the label GIVEN to the character, not that I'm associating the label with trans people.