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I think the OG manga ends in a pretty satisfying way and I consider everything after it to be fanfiction.

>>28511
Everything kind of went down the gutter the moment toriyama introduced the kaioken power up. After that it was just transformation after transformation instead of technique, and grit. At least the transformation spam is shockingly less broken compared to other shonen.

Methinks Dragonball went on for too long
Just like how Naruto started to decline in the Shippuden era.

This is why I say that ten years is enough time for a franchise to be complete.

>>28516
If not for bleach having that massive hiatus, dragon ball would have the objectively lowest number of episodes throughout its entire runtime out of any other shonen.

>manga is incomplete
It was concluded decades ago. In fact, it was supposed to end after Freeza.
>creator is dead
People die. Old people die.
>recent shows bombed
Super was successful. The two latest movies were successful. Daima had its following I guess.
>writing quality
Was never spetacular. Dragon Ball was for gags and fight coreography. The narrative is goofy.

>>28519
DBZ is actually really deep. I think it's my favorite IP in the super hero genre. I didn't really appreciate it until I read the manga. I lost interest in the show with the insane amount of filler.

>>28520
It's not "really deep", it's just not shallow either. It's like any story: it has themes and moral messages and shit. When I criticized the narrative I was mostly talking about the plot which is just ridiculous. The characters are fine and there's enough subtext to keep you engaged.

>>28520
Dragon ball isn’t really a super hero ip. It fits more into an action archetype as most of its characters don’t primarily try on abilities unique to any specific fighter, and constant traininf means that you don’t have characters whose powers are kept arbitrarily static. You are right about the manga.

Moro arc was objectively some of the coolest shit I’ve read in a while.

>>28520
This is why I always tell people to READ THE MANGA!!!

Virtually all anime franchises have better storytelling in the manga format than the television format

And the graphics are better too.

I read Yu Yu Hakusho in Shonen Jump but never watched the anime.
I'm sure the anime wouldn't be as good as the manga anyway.

>>28528
YYH anime is alright. HxH is the one that suffers.

>>28528
No I will disagree on that. The Naruto anime series is substantially better than the manga just off the fact that ninjutsu spamming is *less* common in the anime compared to the manga. Coincidentally, the anime version of dragon ball is a lot less action focused than the manga which gives the show writers time to flesh out characters toriyama doesn’t care about.

>>28536
Ok I will bite.
Naruto and Dragon Ball were good with television adaptation.
And Bleach. And One Piece.

>>28537
Agree with all points except for one piece. I cannot stand how bad the overall pacing of the show is in comparison to the manga. It’s not even that one piece has a lot of filler episodes, it’s the filler scenes in the canon material that I can’t deal with. Thank goodness for the fandom creating one pace to deal with the issue.

>>28543
What's exactly so bad about One Piece?

>>28548
Pacing
Too slow, too many reaction shots, to many flashbacks and unnecessary monologues. Makes scenes take forever

>>28543
True, but it depends on the arc. The pacing started to get really bad from the climax of the Alabasta arc onwards. Skypeia's anime was ruined by the bad pacing. Sometimes they did good, such as in the Water 7 portion of the Ennies Lobby saga. I hear Dressrosa, which already had bad pacing in the manga, got even worse in the anime.

>>28559
Damn.

>>28528
You picked a bad example, the YYH anime looks awesome and has great music.

>>28556
So, just like Naruto Shippuden

>>28575
Oh god, I never finished that show for how awful the pacing in it was compared to dbs and dbz Kai. After reading summaries on the plot, I was even more disappointed by how lazy the writing was getting with the whole Naruto is actually the son of might-as-well-be god himself asura and he gets a massive fucking power up out of the blue despite never training *that* much harder than any other ninja (let’s be real, he barely trains throughout the whole franchise compared to most generic Shinobi). Never liked that show for how much of a cartoonish self contradicting power fantasy it always was. “Hard work and dedication” my ass. Fucker was born privileged and barely worked a day in his life.

>>28597
> (let’s be real, he barely trains throughout the whole franchise compared to most generic Shinobi). Never liked that show for how much of a cartoonish self contradicting power fantasy it always was. “Hard work and dedication” my ass. Fucker was born privileged and barely worked a day in his life.

Naruto was not born privileged. But I kinda agree that his training is overestimated.
What I really hate about Naruto is how they make the main character an absolute goofball.

I ironically like the Infinite Tsukyomi version of Naruto much more.

I also hate the constant flashbacks within flashbacks of the Shippuden arc.
And the fight against Madara was like the Vietnam War. A long meaningless bloodbath.

My brother had to skip episodes and I don't even really know how Naruto amd Sasuke broke free and managed to save the day.

Shippuden's saving grace was that the characters were all good looking and had some cool powers.

Speaking of which, I dont know if you noticed but in Naruto,the villians are sexier than the heroes.

>>28598
Everyone noticed man. They also have better reasons for their actions than naruto

>>28600
Nagato(Pein) is the most justified

His painted toes also are erotic

>>28600
I refer to Shippuden as ShitPuddin

dragon ball has fallen, millions must be sent to the other world