>>22236>How would people feel if there was a German film out there that's a 90 minute circlejerk about how 'beautiful' and romantic the development of the Panzer V was>that film probably wouldn't even be allowed to be made under German law. <Oh I'm so clever with my snide remarks teehee
False equivalence, that's not what The Wind Rises is about, dolt. >I looked it up after I watched it years ago
Translation: I looked it up just now >Your quote doesn't give any evidence of that
Denial is not an argument, next. >They were already in a war when the Zero was being developed but it was with Chink subhumans so it doesn't count I guess. <Let me shift goalposts and bring up concern-trolling nonsequiturs irrelevant to the film or Miyazaki and try to plaster them on "subtly"
You really are just assmad, aren't you? Go back to /pol/ >when this is a movie about WW2 war machines that we're talking about, it is actually fucked up
No, you're just an infantile moral-fag deliberately misrepresenting the film>I haven't seen it in years but I remember how disgusted I felt by it >The only people to suffer any adversity in that movie are Japanese ie from the earthquake <Ignores the first part and pulls another whataboutism
The film takes place in Japan and is almost exclusively about the life of the man that designed the aircraft and his passion towards aircraft design, the unfortunate situation of which is that only the military-industrial complex would permit him to pursue that passion. The film isn't about the war itself, and its anti-war message comes from the display of how the military twists things around itself. >The Zero directly kept the war going on longer and therefore contributed to the slaughter of China
Wow, you really are reaching, aren't you? Are you really this stupid or just arrogant to think that such an fallacious argument would fly? >Maybe we just shouldn't make films that are all about worship of military technology
A) Maybe you should stop being a pussy
B) That's not what the film is about, stop lying. >I'm not saying that
That's EXACTLY what you're saying, you callous fuck. In your fervor to hate on Japan using collective guilt logic, you're dehumanizing them and making their struggle and pain and suffering out to be ok because of "le warcrimes". You're only backtracking because I called you out on this sociopathic spiel. Hell you're still trying to shift onto Miyazaki to distract from it>Miyazaki likes to posture as some great intellectual and anti-establishment figure when his bread and butter is attractively presented feel-good films
Neither of these things is true in the slightest. Miyazaki has never postured as being an intellectual nor as a "great anti-establishment figure". PEOPLE call him that because of his opinions, works and actions in life. His films aren't "feel-good" they're just not pointlessly nihilistic schlock, nor are they afraid to tell a specific story he feels like telling. Your utter ignorance as to the meanings of his films and constant bringing up of dramatic barely relevant factors is terminal burger-psychology. >it's for nationalistic atrocity porn
He's never made that, you're outright lying. KYS. >I feel sorry for everyone that dies in a war that didn't have anything to do with perpetuating it
Nice backtracking, as clinical and soulless an apology as expected. Are you a youtube ECeleb by any chance?>my criticism still stands
Your provocation is a shallow fallacy of the like to make Goebbel's proud. >Miyazaki didn't make movies about the Japanese war on China because either it wouldn't sell
Miyazaki has never cared about his films selling, he only cares about making his art. He doesn't want to make a movie about war. Wars may feature in passing, but they're never the focus. >At least America had enough of a real counterculture and courageous directors
Ha… hahahahahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… you genuinely believe this… wow. >Well Schindler did save Jews did he not
No, he didn't, not intentionally, read a fucking book. >his story is interesting<the movie is effective at what it sets out to do.
You filthy hypocrite>if Miyazaki wants to talk a big game then he should back it up
What the fuck are you talking about you schizo?>If anime wants to be taken seriously as a method of social critique
Jesus christ, not everything needs to be a social critique. Having deeper themes or touching upon them doesn't mean the story MUST derail to talk about these things. That's literally the most autistic way of viewing story-telling there is. >I don't think your examples about how militarism is portrayed as bad in the abstract in Miyazaki films are really enough.
Because you're politically-obsessed>It's easy to say war is bad but a lot more difficult to tackle the nationalism of your own country.
Irrelevant and not a valid criticism >it's Miyazaki talking a big game here like I said about how American media is dogshit.
Jesus H Christ, finally you explain yourself, and you're still way off the mark because you clearly didn't stop to read what Miyazaki said.
All the movies you mentioned are a reflection of American culture, where shooting and explosions are commonplace, and so is common in film. Miyazaki is stating a fact. He then also states a fact that American films often propagate a dehumanization of the enemy into mindless hordes and brings up Lord of the Rings as a very valid example, because of how it treats Orcs and Goblins as fodder that a viewer will have no sympathy for as they're cut down to pieces. Miyazaki further expands that this is the treatment given to Africans and Asians and that people ignorant of this are idiots (/pol/ for example fits this). So Miyazaki is criticizing a specific type of film and using a specific example. He's not dickmeasuring his films by saying "look at mine" or some shit, so your entire thesis of argument is a strawman to begin with. >then he should realise the limitations of his own works.<If you write books about adventures or romance, you can't express a critical opinion about a different genre!
By that metric you have no metric talking at all since you've created nothing comparable to any of the films mentioned.