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Do you have anything to say about this man?
215 posts and 54 image replies omitted.

Don't want to piss anyone off but I always considered Miyazaki's movies to be too much of what people call "comfy" and "chill." I don't like stuff like The Laid-Back Camp much. Maybe I'm too dense all the time and can't force myself to relax, can't help myself. That's the reason I don't watch much kodomomuke or shoujo or iyashikei or romcoms or slice-of-lifes, I'm just too much of a grumpy old man who is unable to enjoy nice things (yeah, I'm the opposite of an average anime enjoyer).

Princess Mononoke and Porco Rosso seem kinda interesting though.

>>23253
>I find his movies very commercial
I didn't mean "commercial." I'm sure Mr. Miyazaki genuinely likes what he's doing. I'm just not that kind of person who's into the overall feel of his works, they're like Disney fairytales and I tend to shy away from fairytales and other softer stuff like that.

>>23254
>I'm just too much of a grumpy old man who is unable to enjoy nice things
Same here.

>>23254
To be honest, Porco and Mononoke are closer to what his movies are actually about than people on the internet really seem to realize.

Miyazaki has kind of become the Wes Anderson of anime - his style has been meme'd and caricatured by people who haven't really engaged his work and probably haven't even seen much of his stuff. Most people act like all of his movies are just wholesome, comfy slice of life - when really, only Totoro and Kiki's Delivery Service are really consistenty like that.

Miyazaki's movies certainly have a pastoral vibe and have extended "cozy" sequences, but everyone forgets that those scenes are often followed by imagery of either mass destruction and violence or weird, fucked-up organic corruption. Everyone acts like Totoro is emblematic of the man's filmography, while forgetting that this is the same guy who made Porco Rosso, Castle in the Sky, Nausicaa, The Boy and the Heron and Princess Mononoke, all works that have either heavy themes, extended sequences of apocalyptic or unsettling imagery - hell, we're talking about the guy who got his start directing Lupin the Third

Miyazaki ain't no wholesome director. There's a real darkness in his work that the internet keeps whitewashing thanks to cinematically illiterate hipster-weebs

>>23266
>Kiki's Delivery Service are really consistenty like that
Even Kiki isn't without darkness either, it's got moments of tension and negativity and an overarching story that has some concern. Totoro is just pure comf.

>>24290
Even Totoro has some tension and negativity due to the mother. It's just an amount appropriate for little kids, who are the main audience for the movie.

>>476
I didn't know he did that, nice

>>20358
>>20342
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>>23266
Doesn't he hate his own work though? He hates his own work and calls anyone who enjoys it as immature and actively despises anime in general. Really discourages me to engage with his work. Alan Moore also hates his own work but he seems like a chad and a fun dude to talk to who doesn't hate comics per se either.

>>24725
No, he doesn't hate his work. He's an artist, he's always critical of his work and always bitter with the world and people in it. It's more expression of his frustrations than genuine hatred.

>>24725
Miyazaki generally comes off as:
1. a very perfectionistic artist with high standards of himself and others
2. a disillusioned communist who got blackpilled by the 80s and 90s and wants to blow up modern japan for being emblematic of everything he hates
3. kind of a dysfunctional asshole

You put all three together, you get Mr. Fuck-Anime Anime Grandpa

>>24737
perfect synthesis

>>26285
I honestly don't understand this guy. He complains about other anime being low-quality trash but then he says animation is immature. He was notoriously harsh to Lasseter, his biggest fanboy. Can animation ever be a respectable art form in his eyes? What does he even want?

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>>26297
> He was notoriously harsh to Lasseter, his biggest fanboy.
I'd be harsh to that dweeb too. Trying to brand himself as Miyzaki's best bud or something just for dubbing a film.

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>>26298
Wait I should've used this image, the body language is even more funny. But I didn't even know Miyazaki didn't like Lasseter, I just remember Lasseter's dumb face saying Miyzaki-san in promos for some of the films.

Never seen any of his work and probably never will

>>26303
unironicaly you're missing out on cosuming some actual decent cultural products.

>>26297
i can see his points honestly, comparing the flat goyslop that keeps getting worse ( with eceptions ofc, both in western and japanese animation) with his creation and other good shows of the past. I think his critique of anime is basically beeing angry at the fact that the medium of animation is beeing used for overly commodified garbage instead of expanding its potential to create meaningful and "deep" art.


Actually, i would raccomand anyone to read the nausicaa manga, it's basically "Miyazaki theory" and i find it fascinating and full of marxist insight, even with the famous "rejection of marxism", (and an amazing story).

>>26309
>i can see his points honestly, comparing the flat goyslop that keeps getting worse ( with eceptions ofc, both in western and japanese animation) with his creation and other good shows of the past.
You don't get it. He seems to think all animation is childish (that by extension includes his works too). Which is a very Hideaki Anno kind of view. Afaik, Anno has a very boomer view of anime as a whole, thinking that adults shouldn't watch anime at all. Anno is also notorious for hating his own work and being a doomer in general.

>>3873
>And they aren't sexualized.
Holy cope. Kiki's delivery service has a ton of panty shots of kiki.
>Bai-Niang was essentially a 'waifu' back when he was in highschool, which means he was around the same age, 2-4 years older than the main character
Even more cope. He was 17 when he watched the movie
>inb4 bai-niang is ackshually 1000 years old

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Artists aren't intellectuals. That's why they have all kinds of schizo incoherent political views. Miyazaki's political positions do not matter, he's not qualified to speak on such matters, for he is neither well-read nor truly proletarian.
For some reason people forget this and treat musicians, scriptwriters, and other creatives as authorities when in fact, their politics are as informed as any drunk on a pub's.

>>27328
this isnt a truth nuke at all, intellectuals love "schizo incoherent political views"

>>27329
By intellectuals I mean people like Lenin, not bourgeois intellectuals like Zizek

>>27330
lenin would scoff at that lol

>>27331
Really? I'm pretty sure he would agree.

>>27328
>he's not qualified to speak on such matters
Neither are STEMcels but are they suddenly not intellectuals? Some intellectuals have a very overblown understanding of what they're intellectual in.
>nor truly proletarian
Cut me with this Marxist idpol, it's not an actual class analysis, just your feefees. By that logic I'd say that no profession is truly proletarian because of bourgeois cultural hegemony.

>>27330
Idk, there are a lot of “intellectuals” like that.

>>27330
>'Cause I'm an intellectual, I'm the real intellectual, all you other intellectuals are just pseudo-intellectuals, so won't the real intellectuals please, stand up? Please, stand up? Please, stand up?
A true intellectual has spoken.

IDK why you all are butthurt when all I said is that liberal Miyazaki is not an authority relative to any worker and thus should not be taken as of special + his living conditions are far removed from the majority of the working classes so obviously his political views are going to reflect that
Yes, there are bourgeois intellectuals, and there are public educators. They are not the same, in method and in conclusions, and in conflict of interests. This should also not be controversial to anyone. Some members of the working class are more advanced in theory and that's not the case for Miyazaki. It makes no sense to have this regard for him simply because his labor is creative instead of manual and/or technical, and this is a mistake I see many repeating

>>27336 (me)
And this is no hate towards Miyazaki. I love his films. I just don't take them as education instead of entertainment/art.

>>27336
>liberal Miyazaki is not an authority relative to any worker
Lol, it's not that you criticize Miyazaki but rather it's precisely that workerist attitude of yours. The workers have no more authority than the bourgeoisie just because of their class position. Frankly, seeking "authority" from others is a bourgeois idea, think for yourself lmao.
>his living conditions are far removed from the majority of the working classes
Does he own Ghibli? In that case I apologize, but class treason isn't entirely out of the question. He was a Marxist for some reason after all.

>>27336
This.
Most people don't even respect academic process except for brownie points to justify putting others down for different opinions

>>27336
People valuing the opinions of creatives more than workers is not some kind of accident or conspiracy and it's a giant mistake to treat it as something that can be corrected.

>>27327
lol so Miyazaki is just another gooner gatekeeping other gooners for gooning wrong

>>27327
>Kiki's delivery service has a ton of panty shots of kiki.
"Family-friendly" anime be like.

I do wonder why that's here if his works are supposedly kodomomuke. Like, this stuff ain't for kids. If that's just physics then I'd understand but if that's deliberate then it's just baffling. Did he, like, expect grown men who are into little anime girls to watch his movies or something?

>>27327
>>27350
> panty shots
She's wearing bloomers you can't see her panties.

>>27328
>intellectuals
No such thing.

Art is a skill and one that doesn't automatically qualify or disqualify one from political literacy. Engels developed both and so have many artists.

>>27351
>She's wearing bloomers you can't see her panties.
People do be spreading misinfo on the Internet these days. 🤷
>>27352
Trvthnvke.

>>27351
>>27354
That makes the shots looking up her skirt so much better

>>27356
She's a witch clumsily flying on a broomstick, of course her skirt won't stay in place at every moment, that's why she's wearing bloomers. That's the function of bloomers, you wear them when doing activities where your skirt might misbehave (like flying on a broomstick, or more realistically, dancing).

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>>27357
Defend this then.
Do you want me to post his comments about nausicaa's breasts as well? How much more evidence do you need to finally admit that the director you admire is a disgusting pedophile

>>27358
who even cares

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>>27359
The people defending their favourite pedophile director sure do

>>27360
I just honestly don't care, plenty of more valid reasons to dislike Miyazaki

>>27358
I don't know anon… Have you ever seen how panty shots look in anime? In this pic there is no focus on her body, it's only revealing the back of her non-descript underwear. The shot could even be taken as cute (in completely a non-sexual way) or endearing, like a toddler whose diaper is showing

>>27360
That quote is weird but it is not erotic.

>>27360
You may be shocked to learn this but when you design a character who is going to be in an animated movie, this includes the character's appearance. A protagonist character who is going to be drawn like tens of thousands of times in a movie is going to have attention paid to all the details of their design, and ideally any detail should be relevant to the story somehow. What he's talking about here is a pretty common design trope, that larger bust size can be used to imply a character is motherly and caregiving. I'm a Miyazaki hater but thinking this is a sexual comment is silly. It's just something that's not talked about that often because of repression of anything that's considered sexual.

I dont care for his movies. I dont like the art style

miyazaki ghibli: i dont really care about this AI stuff like i honestly dont think about it at all
me: oh yeah? well what about Now *AI generates an image of the Spirited Away girl with some really vascular D cups*
miyazaki: no… NO!!!

>>472
How did making a manga where future technology and past social sctructures exist together push him away from marxism?

>>27674
He's just an artist, I wouldn't worry too much about his ideological qualms.


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