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Do you have anything to say about this man?


He looks like a cool guy to talk to


>machines are bad except when they’re used for imperialist warmongering
Fuck this guy


he was Marxist

> He was strongly influenced by Marxism. You have to understand that in Japan, the word "communism" isn't as demonized as in the US. Marxism as a theory to analyze society and history has been taught in universities. The Socialist Party had been the second largest party in Japan for a long time, and the Communist Party still holds seats in the Parliament. During the war, any political or labor movement was banned, and the communists were almost the only ones who vocally opposed the war. After the war, labor unions were allowed to be formed, and many of them were led by communists or communist sympathizers. Many were idealistic young people who believed in the future of "truly democratic Japan." Miyazaki was one of those young people, as was Takahata.

> Miyazaki was the chairman of the animator's union at Toei Doga. The early works in which Miyazaki was involved, such as Horus or Conan, show his political beliefs somewhat. He once said he wasn't even sure about making Nausicaä a princess, since that "makes her an elite class." Pom Poko was basically the story of how the liberal movements in post-war Japan failed, according to Miyazaki.

> Around the end of the 1980s and the beginning of the 1990s, Miyazaki came to the conclusion that Marxism (and Historical Materialism) is wrong, and he totally forsook it. He said that his realization had more to do with writing Nausicaä than the collapse of the communist bloc.

well, not anymore, looks like he's demsoc nowadays

> However, exploitation is not only found in communism, capitalism is a system just like that. I believe a company is common property of the people that work there. But that is a socialistic idea. Nowadays, American style capitalism has become mainstream. The stock holders have voices and change managers to get more profit in the current term. In addition to that, they downsize or restructure regular employees and enlarge temporary workers and part time workers. For them, temporary workers are just disposable. On the other hand, regular employees also are completely exhausted in hard work. Such a system is quite Animal Farm like.

> Its scheme used to be common sense to the world. Now, everyone has forgotten about that. Everyone assumes he or she is in middle-class and blinded by the mechanism of exploitation. At a time, during the economic growth after the war, business managers also had to work hard. Because of its graduated taxation, the income gap In Japan was small. Before the bubble years, our society was like that and they didn’t feel the reality on exploitation. But all were crushed by the burst bubble. Lifelong employment and seniority system were thrown away. Efficiency pay and target settings were brought. In my opinion these efficiency pays will bring workers nervous diseases. It is obvious that talented people must do their best at work without thinking about its return. Don’t work for money. Actually, we need money though… anyway, we’ve thought that “Work is one’s partner for life”.

> Europe got disenchanted in socialism during the Spanish Civil War in 1936. During that war, not only socialists but also anarchists, democrats and several movements gathered in the people front. In the war, they were betrayed by Soviet Union. It was a big experience for George Orwell and he wrote “Homage to Catalonia” as a betrayed revolution. As they got to know more about the reality of the Soviet Union, progressive young people broke down with socialism. After WW2, the communists in France and Italy looked for ways of democratic socialism. At last, Europeans reached to EU. It isn’t built by the socialists though, that is the only way to survive for Europeans.

> Can we build democratic socialism? If it is possible, then I believe it can exist on the opposite side of globalism. In that sense I mean local production for local consumption. The wave of things like slow food or slow life comes more than once. That is kind of that. The desire of humans must be controlled. The idea that human desire can be grown infinitely must be changed at the moment when they get to know that the resources of the earth are finite. My little wish is to wear domestically produced underwear. Maybe there are some if we pay enough. However, all underwear that can be purchased for reasonable price are all from China.


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Highly intelligent and has the experience fitting his age. An artistic talent with few to compare.
Very jaded and world-weary.


Citation needed dolt.


>demsoc nowadays
His opinion on the USSR comes from world-weary experience with the Japanese system and its imperfections combined with the preference for ideas of 'freedom' that most artists dedicated obsessively to their craft, seem to possess. He merely states his thoughts on the matter and believes them, but does not bother spreading his idealistic assertions outside of occasional conversation, and even the most radical of ideas still have a grain of truth in them. Disillusioned people tend to be like that.


Didn't this man literally protest the 2003 Oscars because he didn't agree with the US war in Iraq? also he and I share the same birthday lol


>You have to understand that in Japan, the word "communism" isn't as demonized as in the US
Eh, not really, it's still kinda bad.
BTW, while working at Toei he was about to give up on making anime but then a soviet cartoon made him change his mind. Thanks USSR!


Tbf, working at Toei would make anyone ready to give up on anime or just life .


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>TBF, working in the anime industry would make anyone ready to give up on anime and life.
FTFY, pic unrelated


>cat behaviours match real person


An hour long video that goes in depth of Miyazaki's ideological history. It's nice. I particularly like when the video delves into the Nauusica of the Wind Valley manga.


After reading Thomas LaMarre's The Anime Machine I can safely say he's a grumpy old man who can be pretty full of himself.


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>pretty full of himself
Not without reason



I like his anime. He should put half-naked catgirls selling merch into his movies.


Extremely based, except for this:
>Stating that 3D animation is a disease that robs artists of creativity in a Q&A session with Pixar’s John Lasseter
>Telling a Ghibli animator working on Princess Mononoke that the kid’s never known suffering because if he did he’d be a better animator


>Citation needed dolt.
The Wind Rises


oh shit forgot to remove the shitposting name lol


Him being in many ways symbolic of the Japanese "left" serves as a testament to their impotence.


>The Wind Rises
&ltA Japanese animated historical drama film depicting the empire before a world war
Accurate depiction does not equal approval of the depiction.


He has specifically discussed his contradictory love of Japanese warplanes and his absolute hatred of war and imperialism.


As a person who likes tanks and trucks and airplanes and submarines… it makes sense. Liking amazing technology and its power is not the same as liking its actual use.


>The wind rises
The main character was such a piece of shit. Who ignores their dying wife to go play airplane designer?


Anta baka?


He's right about the 3D stuff tho. All 3D movie shit is mass produced garbage that all look the same cuz everyone wants to make everything look as realistic as possible. There are exceptions tho like Spiderverse or the new Lupin movie.


>All 3D movie shit is mass produced garbage
Yeah I have to disagree. I suggest you see the videos on how something like Zootopia is animated for an idea of how much work goes into most 3D animation.
>Inb4 some shitty example
I have only to bring up the horrible, lazy 2D animations that exist in the boatload, in Western and Eastern animation.


Also, his father and his uncle managed an airplane components factory that contributed to the war efforts. Miyazaki always felt guilty about this, that's why he always denounced war in his movies.


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It's funny you mention that because Studio Ghibli are releasing their first 3DCG feature, Aya and the Witch this winter. Judging by the visuals, it definitely looks similar to Lupin III: The First.


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It's uncanny.


It's excellent you bloody loth cat


Even if it ends up being a good movie, i feel like i'll just go "man i wish they made this in traditional animation"
At the very least it does look better than crap like beastars


I never watched any of his animes I think but from this thread he seems pretty based


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Just found out there's people who think Howl's Moving Castle isn't Miyazaki's best movie… damn that shit sucks man.


>not Porco Rosso


Lol why? Because of the fascist pig line?


Not only that.


which soviet cartoon?


The snow queen (1967)


>man i wish they made this in traditional animation
It wouldn't look as good as 30 years ago anyway.
>look better than crap like beastars
Beastars is a TV anime. It's obviously not gonna look gorgeous like a theatrical film.

This looks unlike any CGI movie or anime I've seen. It's like a very good mix between 3D and 2D and the end result looks like a painting. pretty good


> It's obviously not gonna look gorgeous like a theatrical film.
There has been much better 3D animation. Beastars animation is fucking RWBY-tier, and unlike Roosterteeth its made by a fairly large company.


>unlike any CGI movie or anime I've seen
Its fairly typical for Pixar works TBH
>mix between 3D and 2D
They use texturing actually, no real 2D involved


Overrated, one good story and way too many generic folktale adaptations.


2Deep4U faggot!!!!


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What is that one good story for you?


It has to be Nauusica


That anon's correct. I did like Mononoke-hime but the Nausicaa parallels were too big to ignore.


It's a 0/10 movie


Imo what makes Nausicaa work a bit better than Mononoke in terms of themes (they both deal with the capitalist destruction of Nature) is that Nausicaa’s conflict is primarily between humans as in the real world (humans aren't destroying nature because they are evil, but because of competition with other humans), the bugs aren’t gorgeous or beautiful (i.e. in animation something meant to be cute to humans) but still worthy of protection and life anyway, the story already takes place after humanity’s destruction of Nature via war, and the driving force isn’t to stop humans from destroying Nature per se but rather to stop humans from trying to destroy each other which comes with the natural result of destroying Nature as well.


The way Howls Moving Castle handles war is great. The airships are spectacular, and there's a sense of awe at times, but we're never called to glorify any part of it, and it effectively no-platforms the leaders - nobody gets a chance to try and justify the senseless slaughter. Perfect stuff.


Anyone know where I can watch
"Romance, Survivor's Guilt and Antifascist Fisticuffs - Nausicaäst #07 Porco Rosso (Kurenai no Buta)"

It's a video essay on Porco Rosso that got deleted by Studio Ghibli fuckery.


NVM I found the podcast:

Also how Eizouken emulates Miyazaki's ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQaldl1GoJE
“I believe a company is the common propert of the people who work there” - Hayao Miyazaki

Miyazaki's Marxism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXN6B-tqZM


I just watched this and it is so far been the hardest Miyuzaki movie for me to parse in terms of its message? I feel like there is a lot there, but I just can't quite put my finger on all of it. Whats the /leftypol/ take?


It's got plenty of messages in it, anti-war, anti-bureaucracy, etc. Its not focused on any one theme but more a collective of various leftist themes within the story.


The thing that really stood out to me during my viewing was something about accepting yourself(??) and growing up. Sophie keeps thinking that she isn't beautiful but by the end she has come to love herself. Her whole experience as an old woman with the curse maybe made her not even have to have the young person anxiety of what do others think I look like because she just looks old and there is nothing for her to do about it. But she has flashes of youth when she is happy or asleep, maybe in moments where she feels at ease with herself. Idk I really liked that aspect of the movie even if I can't nail down exactly what makes it work so well.


retard alert
pure definition of KINO


what is your take on howl's? what do you like about it?




understandable even if boring response


Apparently Miyazaki said that marxism was a mistake, not anime.


Video was already posted and you should watch the video because there def more to that quote than those four words. And of course there is a ton more in the movies themselves.



Man imaging making such a great work of art that people make big ass essays analyzing it. Wish I had the talent to pull something like this


His son recently made an animated film where he essentially expressed his desire to kill his father sometimes. It was rather amusing given that his response was that authors SHOULDN'T involve their close personal issues in it… which is really fucking ironic coming from Miyazaki


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Even more proof that Howl's Moving Castle is the pinnacle of Miyazaki's career:


I don't always agree with him but he makes otaku, at least western ones, seethe, so he's pretty cool in my book.

>In Japan today, animated TV shows filled with all kinds of fancy, robotlike ,mechanical creations are all the rage. I have certainly drawn lots of mecha, or mechanical things, myself. but the general theme in currently popular shows seems to be that the protagonist jumps on a giant machine he couldn’t possible have created on his own, battles the enemy in it, and then boasts about winning. I frankly hate these kind of shows. I don’t care what types of robots are featured. For me, in a truly successful mecha show the protagonist should struggle to build his own machine, he should fix it when it breaks down, and he should have to operate it himself.


Miyazaki is a skilled artist and story teller but his concrete principles that absolutely denigrate Otaku and Weeb lifestyles make him based, because while he understands why they exist, he does not excuse their behaviour.


he is a master artist, the top of his field. i am a lowely grub compared to such greatness.


>69th post in thread


the most based man alive along with anno


some favorite, more nice Ghibli stuff: Whisper of the Heart, The Cat Returns, My Neighbors the Yamadas, Panda Go Panda, Castle of Cagliostro


Weebs hate him because he speaks the truth


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We need to do that Jesus "he spoke the truth" meme with Miyazaki and one of his anti-otaku quotes


I could have sworn there already was one for Miyazaki


He's a lolicon lmaooo


Slander >>>/out/


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Dude loves to put young girls as heroines for a reason, anon.


And they aren't sexualized. Having young girls or boys be the main characters of X or Y story is not 'lolicon'.

1) A drunk rant being told second-hand is far from reliable. Drunk people say all sorts of shit sometimes, and a second hand account of something from years ago is an unconfirmed anecdote
2) Bai-Niang was essentially a 'waifu' back when he was in highschool, which means he was around the same age, 2-4 years older than the main character. That's like saying a 60 year old man attracted/associating to a 56 year old woman is a gerontophile.


Lolicon is shit but this is tumblrina-tier reaching.


One of my favorite works of Miyzaki's is Princess Mononoke, it contains social themes, historical themes and mythology of Japanese culture, blended into an excellent story.


Here's an interaction with a reporter who ambushed Miyazaki for a impromptu interview


What's his view on it currently? He did say he didn't like modern loli anime.


>keeps right going back to his trash
>literally couldn't give a fuck about publicity of his movies
This man is classy as heck.


Holy BASED. Also, fuck journalists.


The manga version of Nausicaa = Ted Kaczynski with Stirnerian characteristics, change my view.


>how much work goes into most 3D animation
in this case the mud pie labor theory of value applies I'm afraid


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A friendly reminder that Sosuke:

> Dated the daughter of a goddess.

> Talks to his father regularly.
> Placates his mom when she's mad at his dad.
> Got into the fucking boat of his own accord.
> When the boat got stuck, he didn't give up.
> Isn't afraid of giant women with tits bigger than he is.
> Prevented the Second Impact.


>The Virgin Shinji Vs the Chad Sosuke



So was this movie any good?


I mean they're a bit different stories lol


The man really is an artist… even in his interactions you can tell.




I loved On Your Mark and really wished it would have gotten a full story to it, but at the same time the lack of additional content lets peoples minds wander and run free to create stories in their heads


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Soviet animation saved Miyazaki's career as an animator.


Oh I didn't read the whole thread and it was already mentioned in these posts >>477 >>509. Anyways I posted an article about that here >>9427 if anyone is interested in the story.


Thanks m8!


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Really good video on Kiki that puts into words why it gives me such a blue mood, as do Ghibli films in general. It also succinctly encapsulates hat makes them so magical and good - they're high fantasy with mundane domestic elements. It feels like Miyazaki put in his own experiences directly onto the screen, as did the author of the original book, in some ways this reminds me of how Anno and his crew projected his own life, feelings and ideas onto Neon Genesis Evangelion - I feel that all the best animated works are like this.


Sherlock Hound is criminally underrated


Miyazaki was really harsh on his son, but it makes sense.


Really? If anyone finds it, post it.


Would anime today be better if Americans rightfully executed the Emperor for his war crimes after the second world war instead of blaming it all on Hideki Tojo? Someone should send that question to Miyazaki.


I disagree


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Miyazaki's involvement in the 60s and 70s revolutionary movements and his leftism originated as a part of the environmental revolts du to Japanese companies and government dismissing the impacts their horrific waste dumping practices such at as Minamata, >>>/edu/7247

>Around the end of the 1980s and the beginning of the 1990s, Miyazaki came to the conclusion that Marxism (and Historical Materialism) is wrong, and he totally forsook it. He said that his realization had more to do with writing Nausicaä than the collapse of the communist bloc. (As Russians continue, "And if you still believe in Communism by the time you are 30, then you have no brain.") You can clearly see how this turnabout affected him in how he ended the manga Nausicaä.

>Around the fall of the Soviet Union Miyazaki stopped considering himself a Marxist. According to himself it was because he had come to the conclusion that workers aren't always the good guys, an opinion that few Marxists certainly wouldn't have any problem agreeing with.

>In an interview from 2008 in Studio Ghibli's own magazine Neppu Miyazaki still voices a more or less Marxist analysis of capitalism. What he seems to have lost belief in are the possibilities of socialism. His view on mankind is too pessimistic to allow for such a conviction. The democratic socialism he may possibly believe in is small-scale and local. As with William Morris his resistance against industrial civilisation lies in the tension between green conservatism and a Marxist trust in the possibilities of collective non-alienating labour.
>The essayist Margaret Talbot has called Miyazaki a case-in-point example of Gramsci's adage of "pessimism of the intellect and optimism of the will". Despite a deep distrust of humankind's ability to live in peace and balance with nature he continues to make films that present optimism and belief in the future.
>In an interview in Neppu he speaks of his memories from his time as a young union activist: "I consider us to have the right to revolt. To speak about my own experiences, I was very involved with the unions during the 1960's. I don't mean to say that our activism was right or wrong. But it was better to do something than not doing anything. Revolutions should be made everywhere."
Johan Persson
Flamman, October 11th 2018, issue 40

It seems he's waxed and waned over the years


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Recently watched 'the wind rises', an anime movie about the guy in japan who invented the Japanese zero fighter. More and more convinced the implication is supposed to be that the main character is very much a "bad guy", pursuing an autistic obsession with machines at the expense of various people - the test pilots that die, his wife who withers away in his absence, the people his machine ends up killing in war, the people persecuted in Germany he kind of ignores. Didn't quite click on first viewing due to the loving artistic focus on the flying machines. MC starts out people-focused, helping out during the quake and all that, but falls further into mechanical monomania as time goes on, with an occasional crisis of conscience. But the conclusion felt very much like a condemnation of this kind of life.


I have seen this film as well, and i think you are misreading it, the airplane engineer guy is shown as part of the machine that is being abused for war by imperial japan.

Think about it if you blame technology and engineers for the death and destruction in WW2, from whom are you taking away blame.
The ruling classes are the ones that make people fight wars.
Another point is that we should not consider peace in opposition to technology.


>the airplane engineer guy is shown as part of the machine that is being abused for war by imperial japan
I'm aware, that's the reason I used uoatation marks for 'bad guy'
>we should not consider peace in opposition to technology
Also correct. A lot of nonces seem to think Miyazaki is anti-technology, but the reality is that hi films featuring technology is about peaceful use of it - Princess Monoke isn't an attack on industrial progress but a musing on the struggle of man and nature and the balance that is hard to uphold.


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>Oh it's this faggot thread again.

>>movies are garbage
<<no argument
>and >>12660 is absolutely correct
>>Muh pedo!
>1) It's an anecdotal retelling of a supposed drunk rant, there is no evidence of this and presumably Osshi himself also had been drunk
>2) It is a self-admitted VERY rough translation
>3) He has done nothing to indicate even the slightest hint of pedophilic/lolicon content in his work or life, and just because many of his protagonists are young girls doesn't really mean much given the context of the stories and their presentations, I certainly don't recall any sexualization or perverted content that'd indicate some kind of sexual overtones in these films.


>>movies are deep-ecologist bullshit
>Not really, this is just Western misleaded bullshit because they interpret his criticism of war and industrial pollution to be some kind of childishly simplistic ecological message. A common example being Princess Mononoke, despite Miyazaki specifically emphasizing it as a struggle of nature's way clashing against humanities necessary struggle to advance their situation, and it's never a black/white dichotomy.

I have a question for the guy who made this post.
What about the fact that Miyazaki was already familiar with the term? Not saying he's a pedo, I'm just interested to know what you think.


The screenshot you posted already gives the answer, he knew it because he hung around otaku. Which is reasonable, since he was an anime fan making content whose main audience was other anime fans. The rest is guilt by association faggotry.
Now I have a question: when so much modern anime is unquestionably, shamelessly perverted towards children, why go after one of the only guys who's willing to call the medium on its bullshit using only circumstantial evidence?


>why go after one of the only guys who's willing to call the medium on its bullshit using only circumstantial evidence?
I don't know, I said I wasn't accusing him of being a pedo himself. And even if the drunk incident actually happened, it would be obvious that he's not proud of any of this.


his version of Lupin is the best one next to Koike's


He’s correct that most anime fucking sucks


stumbled on a funny WaPo review of princess mononoke from 1999. the reviewer disliked it because it wasn't made with western filmmaker sensibilities, namely that the violence was too restrained. he also called the animation lifeless, criticizing the "hordes" of animators at studio ghibli who couldn't match the elegance of disney animation


This has to be a joke. Old Disney animation of the "Golden Age" from Pinnochio and Snow White to Peter Pan and Aladdin are wondrfully animated, but they too took shortcuts in animation (a prominent example are various animation recolors for Sword in the Stone, Jungle Book and Robin Hood, but those are acceptable. Monoke does not have these 'short-cuts' and is very meticulously animated. Calling it lifeless is fucking retarded.
The lack of violence being graphic enough is burgeroid mentality (not to mention Disney having very hard censorship in regards to violence, even in the 90s).
>wasn't made with western filmmaker sensibilities
Kek, more like burger sensibilities, given that many European animations have similar aesthetics, minus the eyes.
Total idiocy and fail of a contrarian overall, IMO


>lifeless animation
TL Note: "There wasn't constant action so I got bored."


agriculture led to fighting wars over resources, yet you still eat fucking food, how curious



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