No.5432
How the FUCK is it possible that there’s no general thread for quite possibly the most well-written and even leftist-oriented Shounen serial of the 2000s?
Wanted to make a general because I been tearing up listening to shit like this
https://youtu.be/WSyqRAc0f9cBest anime soundtrack ever imo, easily tops even Jojo’s
No.5433
Is this for FMAB or both FMA anime series? Or the original comics?
No.5437
2003 > FMAB
No.5438
>>5432>FMA>leftist Lol. Shin sekai yori is the only leftist anime.
>>5434I did want to fuck this character though, i gotta admit
No.5441
>>5438>Lol. Shin sekai yori is the only leftist anime.What about Texhnolyze?
No.5445
>>5441Didn't get past like ep 5, dunno if that says more about me or the show
No.5446
>>5445Ep 10 for me. People say it is the GOAT of of shonen alongside HxH and while I do think HxH is the GOAT, I never got into FMA.
What am I doing wrong?
No.5452
>>5446FMA i finished, it's texhnolyze i stalled out on. If you couldn't get through FMA I'd honestly say not to bother with it, imo it's as well regarded as it is because it was everyone's favorite as kids/teens and it doesn't really hold up nowadays.
No.5459
>>5452Nah FMA:B is a legitimately good story with a great soundtrack to boot
What you’re saying applies more to Naruto or DBZ where it was legit crappy stories that drew in people as kids and kept them based on nostalgia
No.5465
FMAB is very good. It's not too short or too long either. And the characters mostly all get development.
No.5467
>>5459I first watched it a year ago, and I'm not kidding when i say besides wanting to fuck envy nothing really stick with me. I thought scar's bit would be at least interesting, but it wound up a typical liberal "oooh you're just as bad as the nazis if you fight the nazis" plotline.
No.5468
>>5467>besides wanting to fuck envyThe writers knew this and decided to add in some male power fantasy, when they let Roy assrape Envy.
Personally, I find Envy resembles a little bratty boy too much, so fucking him was never an option
No.5509
>TBH I never understood the hype for this show.
<It had some cool moments and animation and a decent story, but if you listen to some people talk about it you'd think it was the second coming of christ.
<Often enough they're also HxH fags as well.
Your question is too vague but I'll try to answer it.
•The characters have fun, interesting and cool personalities with enough complexity to keep the audience engage.
•The setting and power system are detailed and unique enough for it to stand out from the crowd.
•The series is long enough convey it story properly and doesn't overstay it's welcome.
•The plot doesn't trip over itself and goes to shit.
•It's dark but still hopeful.
•It's "anime" but not too "anime" for a general audience making it great for beginners.
There are more reasons but I made my point. It's a very well rounded series which can be enjoyed by a wide audience.
No.5516
>>5432I mean there was a general thread, the OP was just a retard who didn't put FMA or Full Metal Alchemist in the subject or content and so you miss it in catalog.
No.5525
>>5508I’d say they were in a sort of “fringe case” regime where we don’t know enough about how the political system functioned for sure to say it was specifically a fascist (palingenetic ultra-nationalist) regime; but from everything we’ve seen they certainly appear to be some form of military dictatorship (when Mustang talks about usurping Bradley he never mentions an election)
>I never noticed it when I was young, but, now that I am older and more politically aware the show sure seems to take place under; hell even glorifying the righteousness of a military police state governed by, near, fascist political powerI wouldn’t say FMA *glorifies* Amestris; after all Amestris itself and the people that lead it are the main antagonists. The Ishavalan Genocide is explicitly enough of a reason to overthrow the entire government and Amestris is portrayed as an aggressive, imperialistic power. The real question about the leanings of the show depend on whether you think the homunculi represent (((somebody))) or whether they represent something else.
No.8874
It's funny how popular this show was, yet 5 years down the line and more people are still talking about Naruto and Evangelion than FMA
No.8883
>>8874not on Tumblr – Avatar TLA and FMA:B are still fueling the discussions there
No.8910
Overrated series
No.8913
>>8883>tumblr1) that site is trash
2) FMA on tumblr? really? I haven't seen that
No.8921
>>8913>1) that site is trash all sites are trash, your point?
No.8944
>>8913that site is proportionally more leftist than anything on the Internet except for /leftypol/
No.8947
>>5525>>5508Given that the story seems to think the right people to steer Amestris back onto a good path are equivalent to SS officers who personally carried out the genocide, at best it does seem to be pretty nonchalant about the whole military dictatorship and genocide thing. They even have the one alchemist who refused to participate in the genocide, but that's seen as cowardice in-universe and the show doesn't otherwise comment on it. In the end, the story actually vindicates the genocide
s, plural because
the souls of the genocide victims are what allows Von Hohenheim to banish Father in the end.What's really stupid about imbuing something like genocide with magical elements in your fantasy setting is that it ignores the actual reasons something like that happens and also importantly the senselessness of it. Turning genocide into a spell component (for villains and heroes) robs any potential to say something meaningful about the subject. Worse, in the context of the rest of the story's treatment of the setting's politics, it cheapens the actions of the villains and furthers the apologism for their fantasy counterpart to fascism. That's not to say genocide in a fantasy setting doesn't work, but that making such a direct parallel to something from the real world
(so direct that the original anime made it a literal parallel universe version of the nazis) but rewrite the reasons and consequences to fit shonen fantasy the way that they did makes it hard not to see this as adjacent to holocaust revisionism.
At the very least it's framing the whole subject in bizarre way that's irresponsibly sympathetic to nazi-like figures, which is bad enough honestly. The nazis are historical figures at this point. The reason our understanding of them matters is because of what to learn about how to deal with similar people in the future, and this show is ridiculously tolerant of their behavior.
No.8948
>>8944Liberalism =/= leftism tumblr is the home of idpol and other non leftist garbage.
No.8949
>>8921>all sites are trashanta baka?
No.8955
>>8949>implying they aren'tbruh
No.8957
>>8948I said proportionally, of course it’s dominated by idpol but there’re many anticapitalist pockets and unironical Marxist blogs
No.8958
>>8950?
>>8955>implying your narrow use of the internet = all sitesKek
>>8957Possibly, but I have yet to see any.
No.9116
It's allegedly just a little while since the 20th anniversary of FMA.albaniaAlbania
No.9262
FMA is fucking boring, I read the manga and watched both series and I barely remember anything
No.9790
What's better Brotherhood or the original series?
No.9860
>>5432I want to FUCK envy.
No.14066
i haven't seen 03 since i was 13-14. i'm probably gonna cry while rewatching this
No.14096
>Best anime soundtrack ever imo, easily tops even Jojo’s
OP has never watched Berserk 97.
No.14097
>>14096daring today arent we
No.20795
It's strange how FMA isn't talked about much any more, it used to be the hypest shit that every anime-fan was crazy for in the same way everyone was praising Hunter x Hunter.
No.20797
>>20795Hunter X Hunter is still one of the greats
No.20801
>>20797True, but it is overrated and wanked by /a/.
>>9262> I read the manga and watched both series and I barely remember anything If it was so boring how did you and why did you watch/read all that?
No.21810
>>20806TotallyNotMark did a review of the films, if anyone wants a low-spoiler review go watch those.
No.23324
>>5437>2003 > FMABWhy?
>>5508>Were these two living under a fascist military police state?Yes.
No.23325
>>8947>They even have the one alchemist who refused to participate in the genocide, but that's seen as cowardice in-universe and the show doesn't otherwise comment on it.That's the point though? People in fascist regimes are supposed to support the state's actions on some level, otherwise the regime will not function. The point of the show is to show that such blindfold belief in the state is complete bullshit. In the beginning Ed actively avoided even entertaining the idea that Bradley's choices aren't made for the benefit of the people.
No.23326
I'm really not sure where people are getting a right-wing or pro-fascist reading of FMA from. It seems pretty explicitly critical of the country's military government, its genocidal tendencies, and the weaponization of alchemy. At no point is the genocide of the Ishvalans portrayed as good, necessary, or desirable. Rather the whole thing was a plot by the homunculi to cannibalize their souls to make a philosopher's stone. If anything the message seems to be about how the military industrial complex cannibalizes human beings to serve its sinister goals of ever greater destruction, and how the amazing potential of science (which ofc alchemy is a stand-in for) is perverted when directed towards military ends. The homunculi are literal embodiments of this, since they're monstrous, inhuman living weapons that can only be created through mass murder. I would consider it an explicitly anti-fascist story.
No.23329
>>23326Agreed. It's more of being an anti-fascist story told from the perspective of two classcucks (I don't think they can be compared to the SS though, maybe high-ranking officers in the military/police because they are considered to be elite soldiers who have more authority than regular troops). It's very unique in that regard. I am interested in more of those kinds of stories.
No.23330
>>23329Yeah the only element that you could question would be the notion that fascism and militarism can be defeated by "good" soldiers like Mustang and the Elric brothers, but that seems like a relatively minor complaint.
No.23331
>>23326It's probably to do with the director Yasuhiro Irie endorsing a bunch of right-wing politicians, Kimi Onoda of LDP comes to mind.
No.23336
>>23330>Yeah the only element that you could question would be the notion that fascism and militarism can be defeated by "good" soldiers like Mustang and the Elric brothersI'd say that's just a part of being a protagonist-focused action series. It's still an interesting idea.
No.23338
>>23331>directorHiromu Arakawa: "Am I a joke to you?"
No.23340
>>23326>At no point is the genocide of the Ishvalans portrayed as good, necessary, or desirable.The souls of people killed in genocide are necessary to doing alchemy that defeats Father.
>It seems pretty explicitly critical of the country's military government, its genocidal tendencies, and the weaponization of alchemy.All of this is blamed on a conspiracy of inhuman monsters secretly running the government, which has rather obvious parallels to antisemitic conspiracy theories. At the end of the story, in a "happy ending" the government continues to exist more or less as it was before, but with the "right people" in charge, who were themselves genocidaires and military personnel.
No.23342
>>23340>The souls of people killed in genocide are necessary to doing alchemy that defeats Father.Killing people to harvest their souls is what makes him so powerful in the first place.
>All of this is blamed on a conspiracy of inhuman monsters secretly running the government, which has rather obvious parallels to antisemitic conspiracy theories.You're imagining those parallels. Japan has no history of such antisemitic conspiracy theories and its extremely unlikely that any similarity is intended. The homunculi are living examples of the horrors that alchemy (science) produces when directed towards the ends of domination.
>in a "happy ending" the government continues to exist more or less as it was before, but with the "right people" in charge, who were themselves genocidaires and military personnelI haven't seen the end of Brotherhood yet (currently watching it for the first time) but iirc at the end of the 2003 series Amestris becomes a liberal democracy. I think its valid to criticize "good" soldiers being the solution, but that's more a critique of the means by which the series suggests these problems can be solved. It still very clearly regards ethnic cleansing and militarism as evils to be fought.
No.23343
>>23339>animators>directorsArakawa is a mangaka, anon.
No.23344
>>23342Even if Amestris continues to be a fascist dictatorship, that just shows how the system regenerates itself and how there need to be more radical solutions to change things. And Ed can't really do anything because
he lost all of his powers in exchange for his brother's life and went to live a simple life as a normie. No.23345
>>23342>You're imagining those parallels.The head of state is called the fucking Fuhrer dude. Amestris is clearly based on nazi germany.
>but iirc at the end of the 2003 serieswhich famously diverges from the manga since it overtook it and had to come up with its own ending
No.23347
>>23345>The head of state is called the fucking Fuhrer dude. Amestris is clearly based on nazi germany.They were talking about the hamunculi.
And the Fuhrer was a hamunculus himself so that implies that he's Jewish by your own logic. Which is actually kinda funny. No.23348
>>23345Of course Amestris is inspired by Nazi Germany, but the homunculi are the ones running the government and instigating the genocide. They can't really be an allegory for the Jews if they're the ones running this Nazi-inspired state and doing Nazi shit.
No.23349
>>23347>>23348>but the homunculi are the ones running the government and instigating the genocide.Yes, which means the framing of the story makes it seem as if it's not the government that's the problem but subversion by an inhuman element (which was how the nazis blamed the conditions of weimar germany)
>They can't really be an allegory for the Jews if they're the ones running this Nazi-inspired state and doing Nazi shit.They are if you're trying to defend the nazi expies and absolve their government and ideology of wrongdoing. These kinds of people regularly say the holocaust was either a hoax or perpetrated by Jews.
No.23351
>>23349>Yes, which means the framing of the story makes it seem as if it's not the government that's the problem but subversion by an inhuman elementThat inhuman element could just as easily be the Nazis themselves though.
No.23362
>>23351Exactly, the Nazis were brought back to power by the bourgeoisie so they can be viewed as some kind of a parasitic force (which is an interesting metaphor).
Also, as I said, Bradley was a part of the conspiracy so equating this to holocaust denial would imply that neo-Nazis think Hitler was Jewish which never happened. No.23363
>>23362 (me)
Also, Bradley looks and acts kinda like Stalin tbh. Wonder what that implies.
No.23373
>>23368He is both a strong figure with a prominent chin, strong shoulders, accurate, short hair and a lush long mustache. He's also a very reserved figure
despite being Wrath. Hitler, while also smiling to others and trying to larp as a loving father of the German people, still throws temper tantrums in his speeches and at his subordinates. He also has no chin and is a weakling with a terrible haircut and a very small mustache.
No.23374
>>23373 (me)
Honestly, Bradley is more similar even to ᴉuᴉlossnW, the only similar attribute he has with Hitler is being called a Fuhrer which just means "Father" in German. He's the father of the people of Amestrix so to speak, that explains the amount of respect the Elrics have to him in the beginning of the story. He's literally Omniman before Omniman.
No.23387
>>23362If the homunculi are a metaphor for anything I think it would most likely be as embodiments of the evil science can do when directed towards destructive ends. In general my reading of the series is that it seems to equate Amestris as a whole with Western modernity in general. It's populated by white "Aryan" looking people complete with blonde hair and blue eyes, it has a highly centralized, alchemy reliant, fascistic military government. This is made more clear by the contrast with Ishval, who are ofc Arab-inspired, highly religious, and reject alchemy as unholy. The main theme appears to me as modernity eclipsing premodernity through ruthless violence and extermination, and setting itself up on a foundation that must constantly consume human life to survive.
No.23463
>>10517>I want to FUCK enbyThere we go, I've fixed it.
>>23324 (me)
Why did nobody answer my question?
No.24203
>>23463>There we go, I've fixed it.<mispelled Envy LMAO
No.24204
i watched this show and it sucked goodbye
No.24220
>>24204Understandable, have a good day.
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