Just give me your anime hot takes. I don't care if they're retarded.
>>1994>mostI'm actually curious as to what you'd consider to be good fighting shonen. Oldschool stuff like OG Dragon Ball or Yu Yu Hakusho? Higher end budget stuff done by Gainax or whoever? Stuff with actually good fight choreography?
Honestly, even though I indulge in the genre from time to time, I'd happily throw it all under the bus as far as objective quality goes, it's fully a guilty pleasure for me. I mean, some of it is definitely well drawn/animated, but more in regards to everything else.
>>2008Oooh damn that is a downright thermonuclear take.
>>2007S-Cryed is fun but it took a while for me to get into it. Ironically it helped inspire Highschool DxD.
>>2064true
>>2060true
Most anime is trash.
Some kids anime, such as tengen toppa, death note, etc are good but aren't "works of art" people make them up to be. They're entertaining but that's it.
Ghost in the Shell movie and season 1 and 2 and cowboy bebop are the GOAT.
Hot Take: Naruto is actually good but most fillers and the forced gags (needed for runtime) caused a drop in quality over-all and long-running time meant the story got out of hand.
The reason it REALLY gets a bad rep is retarded wankers who created the whole Narutard meme (see
>>>/hobby/12466 for an example of such idiots) that created a knee-jerk reaction of irrationally hating on the series out of spite.
>Inb4 NOooooo! ITS SHITIIT!!I'm not saying Naruto is some masterpiece. Far from it, as a fan I can say it's flawed for sure, BUT it tells a good story, has good animation and artstyle for the most part and has consistent thoughtful themes that I appreciated. It was a fun show with an upbeat character and interesting meanings beneath its simplistic surface.
>>2003Honestly I wrote "most" only because there must be something worthwhile in there due to the sheer number of works pumped out, however out of all the ones I've watched (and remember) I can assure you they're all really bad:
>dragon ball, z and gt>naruto and shippuden>hxh>jojo>hnk>boboboubo boubobo>fma>rave master>kinnikuman second generation>rurouni kenshin though this one is a guilty pleasure for me despite the rampant liberalism that permeates itAlso a shit ton of mecha series including most gundam and macross but idk if these count as fighting shonen. They should, probably.
>>2072I almost did the same, the first episode managed to completely miss the point of the series and turn into generic action. Then the second episode suddenly shifts back to what it was but less episodic and also following the viewpoint of the antagonists which makes it thematically more poignant.
No fucking clue what they were thinking with the first episode though.
>>2108boring and stale joke
>>2109lurk more
>>2113>Total asspull of a resolution.Do you mean Kaguya or the whole Madara Ten-Tails Uchiha bullshit in general?
I think Kaguya was an ass-pull BUT it could have worked with some prior hints.
Like most fans I think that Naruto's best moment was at the Pain arc and the whole Madara-Obito bait n switch was dumb as fuck (despite being ironically predicted by some fans literally months before Obito was even revealed.
>>2118The sage was mentioned enough so that his character was of interest, but frankly the decision that "lets split le SoSP power) was asinine IMO.
Honestly The Pain Arc should have ended with Nagato offering his eyes to Naruto after he dies reviving everyone to keep them safe and give Naruto the power to stop Madara (and would be a good parallel to Itachi giving Sasuke his Mangekyou for the EMS). The whole Rinnegan evolved from Sharingan (but not really) is also annoying as fuck (especially given that most of the Rinnegan Paths aren't used by Madara, Obito or Sasuke. The SoSP power doesn't have a definitive difference to Sage Mode except that its got more power labeled as "divine" which is a fun power-wank for crackfics but clashes with the powerscaling.
>>2154I kinda enjoyed the Bocchi anime but after reading the manga it feels like there's no point to it at all other than cuteness.
Also Bocchi is not lonely at all so the title is also misleading.
Here's a hot-take for this chan: Leftist "weebs" who over-analyze anime and shit themselves over a show not being politically correct or treating X-social problem properly are losers who need to get a life and either enjoy things as they are, or make something better.
An example Mo-Black from the reddit community: Mo-Black is a self-centered liberal idiot who can't stop talking or writing like a trashy teenage white-girl while reviewing shows. Or rather reading into things from shows that aren't trying to be deep or meaningful at all in regards to the themes being bitched about. And because they can't separate real life politics from the literal imaginary fantasy of anime, they end up bitching about how anyone who tells them to get a life and stop, is just "le dirtbag left".
Just an example of one of their "brilliant" paragraphs from a PUBLISHED article on Medium.com:
So a long time ago there was a witch named the Witch of Envy. Get it? Envy? Like the Seven Deadly Sins? I know what the Seven Deadly Sins are. That makes me smart. I’m smart because I can reference the most popular book in human history. Please acknowledge my brilliance. She has a real name too that I could go look up but no, fuck you actually. Okay fine it was Satella. And Emilia sometimes goes by Satella even though she maintains she’s not the Witch of Envy. And the wiki says Satella and the Witch of Envy are like, separate. But also the same person. But not really. See, they have different Witch Factors. What’s a Witch Factor? Well it’s a mystical power that, once absorbed into yourself, can manifest into an Authority. There are seven Authorities in total, one for each of the Seven Deadly Sins. Only the Pride Authority remains vacant as of oh my God who cares I’m bored already. https://medium.com/mos-home-for-treatises-and-hot-takes/bullshit-no-yuusha-vol-2-5-re-zero-doesnt-understand-racism-or-anything-else-eaaddb464a07This amalgamation of schizophrenia is what it looks like if low-effort youtube movie reviews were written out.
1) it shows a literal lack of interest in understanding the media. If it is so boring and 'stoopid' then why are you bothering? Everyone knows that Re:Zero is garbage that just has a few fairly interesting concepts in it. Nobody looks at the 'racist' themes and goes, "Yes, this is exactly how I view race issues".
2) When trying to criticize a show and explain something concisely, self-important fake self-deprecation, and mockery is a waste of time. State the main points concisely and stop fucking beating around the bush
3) comparing things to real life is a liberal cop-out that ignores the context of the series. The world Subaru is in, is not earth, it does not have "muh niggers and muh crackers" It has its own society, its own world-building and its own races and racism that is different and incomparable past the basic idea that "racism bad". This is like the idiocy where "muh Tolkien orcs represent blacks" which speaks more about the inherent racism of the liberals, than the supposed racism of Tolkien.
Seriously I have seen MANY effort posts on leftypol, leftyweebpol, hobby and anime with much better coherence and criticism than this toxic mophead.
FYI this is the same faggot who got butthurt because Konosuba is "chauvinistic". FFS, that's the fucking point. He's a perverted, narcissistic, asshole loser who has some good qualities, and is the "hero" of his show, and his entire gang of friends are in some way or form losers with some good qualities. This all has consequences too. His childish, "I'm going with Sylvia now, fuck you" got turned around on him when the Chimera woman, like a genuine chimera, turned out to be a futa and now he's fucked because he jumped into her arms like a perverted asshole. That's it. It is a subversion of typically heroic heroes or edgy heroes or smart heroes. He tries to imitate those qualities, but they turn out to be utter failures because that's not how it works and his abrasive attitude backfires often, its not deep or political, its simple subversion and gag-comedy. Nothing to interpret here except projections of liiberal illness.
>>2182>PUBLISHED article on Medium.comThats like saying a published article on blogspot, medium is a blogging platform that hides the fact its a blog so that readers will think that the article they are reading is actually important and not just the equivalent to an article on bigjugslover.blogspot.com.
Not that I disagree with the rest.
>>2250I'm a different guy to the other one bitching about how shit all anime is. Theres plenty of good anime out there.
>>2249I found the fun to talk about it wore off when I found myself forcing myself to watch slop quickly so I could feel part of the discussion.
>>2260Fuck off, you're borderline incoherence is in no way or form a good argument
>mating press evangelion girlsOk Mogudan, now go to the Eva thread.
>>2348I'm not sure how you would adapt this, but if you keep the angle modern Guts was a child soldier and has been fighting all his life, it could be pulled off well. I'm not sure how you would pull off some of the other motifs though like the big weaponry and the magic though.
You could easily put it in the context of the Vietnam war, or the Indochina Wars in general, since it took place in such a long time span.
>>2346I don't think that is really a problem unique to recent times as there is a distinct look to different periods of anime where everything looked close to the same.
If anything I think we have been seeing more unique styles if only because we are getting dozens of new anime a season instead of like 20 years ago when there were much fewer anime coming out.
>>2205>People who like fluffy shows objectively want to fuck a human child because God speaks through my mind, anyone who disagrees with my vile alienated anger post is a pedophile too.Take your meds or at least go back to pol and give a hand. I hear they are getting close to finding the hidden thread that links George Soros to Epstein Island. Then they will realise billionaires are bad because they all molested an aryan youth.
The socialist-fascism pipeline will link up thanks to you. What's one more Jewish butchering if it means the end of schizophrenics like yourself?
>>2386Most 'yurifags' don't even read yuri they just pseudo-ironically meme about it because the thought gets them hard. Actual yuri is generally written for women so doesn't appeal to these people.
I assume a lot of the yaoifags are the same but with more of a fujo flavour.
>>2422Lmao we live in an age where if you don't know something you can just google it. What's the point of crying on twitter when the answer is 2 clicks away?
I don't blame them for the private trackers part tho.
>>2418>Kissanime's demiseIt's still up though
kissanime.nz is working fine for me.
>>2418True, it's just I'm too lazy to bother downloading something I just want to view casually. If I wanted something that much I'd get a DVD version instead
>>2383My hot take is that the term iyashikei (like "moeshit") is a practically meaningless descriptor, and what it does indicate is largely artistically illegitimate. There's a reason you never see Jiro Taniguchi stuff pop up in these discussions, and it's not because it's any lesser to these mediocrities you mentioned.
Girls Last Tour and other tkmiz works are ONLY interesting in light of the author's pathology. And YKK is just pure shit. A pleb's misshapen, hazy impression of what an Artistic Work is like. They're content with limited movement and action as long as a cute girl is depicted somewhere, but put even something relatively accessible like a Tarkovsky film in front of them and they'll be crying and screaming in minutes from the lack of stimulation. Utter trash, utter trash.
>>2426People were using a variety of free torrent applications before qbittorrent. utorrent was the big one before it went to shit.
>>2451I haven't had a torrent take that long in 15 years. The anime torrents on nyaa are well seeded enough that shouldn't be an issue at all. If you have the bandwidth for streaming anime then you should be able to download at reasonable speeds too.
>>2439>There's a reason you never see Jiro Taniguchi stuff pop up in these discussions, and it's not because it's any lesser to these mediocrities you mentioned.Yeah, it's because he's a gekiga artist and the licenses to manga in that genre have been split up across multiple indie publishers over the years, making him a "literally who?" for the vast majority of American readers.
>but put even something relatively accessible like a Tarkovsky film in front of them and they'll be crying and screaming in minutes from the lack of stimulation.Cool, we're talking about animation here; not film. I'm not interested in arguing between the two. There
is artistic "legitimacy" in limited animation. If you can't learn to appreciate that, then maybe this medium just isn't for you.
>>2474It looks like you're having trouble connecting to seeders. There are potential solutions to that, you just have to google them.
>>2475AT&T waives data caps if you get their DirectTV bundle. I've been trying to get my housemates to switch us over to the independent fiber company that set up shop in town not too long ago, though.
>>2476That sucks; I try to do everything I can over a wired connection so I don't have to deal with the problems of wireless as much. Just get like a comically long ethernet cable and slink it through your house or some shit.
>>2451For a 1gb anime episode it takes less than 5 min.
>>2471>I don't have the bandwidth for streaming animeMore reasons to download.
Holy fuck, I didn't know the internet was so bad in the USA. That's what you get for not living in the city I guess.
Also
>Having a data cap for your domestic connection. >>19931. You can enjoy loli anime without being a pedophile.
2. You can enjoy loli anime without wanting to be a loli.
3. Watching loli anime instead of watching short gag anime makes you a scrub, as well as any other genre. So you loli-loving autists still need to kill yourselves.
Bit of a rant on Fairy Tail
Fairy Tail had a lot of good concepts and potential (and knew how to really build up hype*) but squanders it every time by using literal Plot Magic to beat otherwise unbeatable Hax abilities and never having a clear goal in mind. This also fucks up the story line as later arcs make the first ones have much different contexts. It's like the villain scaling problems of Naruto Shippuden but much, MUCH worse.
*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOL9HFtBivIThe Etherious Demons were hyped up beyond measure, but later Bloodman, who has the combined power of all Tartarus Demons and more, gets beat by Gajeel.
The Macro curse alone can control people and objects yet is somehow not an instant hax despite it removing any need for excess power-battles when it can control almost anyone of similar power or weaker (mentally/physically)
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/MacroLater August Vermillion-Dragneel is so overhaxed that his lack of Dragon Slayer magics and use against Acnologia is unbelievable pre Rift of Time.
Later with the sequel 100 Century quest we get 5 Dragons supposedly as strong or stronger than Acnologia (with size and feats comparable to low-end Biju feats) yet somehow Acnologia never found them despite craving a fight to challenge him.
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Five_Dragon_GodsOr for that matter the wasted durability of Celestial Spirits
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/HorologiumHell numerous times we're told that 'X' Magic is unbeatable and this assertion remains, despite the user being beaten.
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Arc_of_EmbodimentGod Slayers are also just brushed past like the whole God>Demon>Dragon tier-system doesn't exist.
One of the few strong abilities that isn't straight hax is Heavenly Embodiment Magic
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Heavenly_Body_MagicThe Manga is still bearable, but the anime does what One Piece does stretching out fights, screwing pacing and spamming gags and gag-faces (not to mention making many post-time-skip characters look like goofy exaggerations of themselves (which is why it was often and inaccurately called a ripoff of various works by Oda by some newbies). The problem is it tries to combine the work of Rave Master and other concepts
And then Zeref's plans are just schizophrenic:
I wanna revive my brother… Nah I want my own demons to kill me despite being much weaker… nah I wanna take over the world with infinite power… nah I wanna kill my revived brother… nah I wanna travel back in time and start again and fuck everyone else…. wait no I wanna help the future kill Acnologia… never mind back to the past it is. And in between all that shit we have the mess with Mavis.
Just look at filler-tier writing for
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Eclipse_Gate arc
And FFS there are magics that are reality warping and yet the significance is brushed aside.
https://fairytail.fandom.com/wiki/Last_AgesOn the other hand I don't quite mind the quiet ending despite it being underwhelming. I let other weebs handle that issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66o_sqMkmzY https://archive.is/GQHae Ironically fanfiction tends to be better written and consistent than the original work unfortunately… and frankly it's a little depressing.
TL;DR: Fairy Tail is a wasted fantasy that abandoned its original principles and suffered for it and retains popularity due to mastery of hype and cool flashy abilities, go for Rave Master instead and stop reading after the Tenrou Island Arc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave_Master>>2999Yeah I thought so too. It was pretty weird
>>3000Good one
>>3532Well to be honest I don't think anyone claims there is some great intentional depth to DBZ but it certainly is fun for many people. DBZA is just great.
>>3443I mean the anime is comparable to SAO in how much it squanders its own potential.
>>3000Heh, reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jItEnE8VFA >>3532Z was fun up to Frieza and a decent series finale if you cut out the filler. Everything afterwards is stupid though.
t. someone that watched both shows on TV as they came out
I personally hate 90% of yaoi
1) Because I'm not gay
2) Because most writers make it the most contrived fujoshi shite ever
3) Because its always done obscenely
All that said an interesting doujin is Victory by Ellen Chain for One Punch Man, depicting Genos and Speed o' Sound Sonic
https://e-hentai.org/g/1213230/a2bafbeb15/cbr.com and its anime articles are 90% garbage written by idiots who either have not seen the anime they're talking about or have a shallow understanding of them.
An example of this idiocy is
https://www.cbr.com/naruto-strongest-women-ranked/Rin Nohara is ranked higher than Ino Yamanaka because she was briefly a host to the 3-tailed beast. Meanwhile Yugao isn't even on the list despite being an Anbu with sill. Tenten is also ignored despite being a more notable appearance than even "Muh Ubermaki" Kushina.
If we're really going for obscure/filler powerful women, the fucking all-women's ninja village was a clear demonstration of strength as well.
Or what about Tayuya? Her abilities were pretty kickass.
But no Kushina Uzumaki and Rin Nohara are the ones on the list, despite the latter having no actual feats onscreen or otherwise, and the former being a late-ass add-on character with few feats outside of her OP asspulled Kekkei Genkai.
Ironically CBR seems to be worst with Naruto the other Big Threed Shonen anime while newer shonene like Black Clover and BnHA is not as shittily covered.
>>3537>I personally hate 90% of yaoiI don't think this is a hot take though. Everybody knows the few good yaoi shows and manga are only the exception. But I'll occasionally watch/read some of that garbage (original, not doujins), in the way you would occasionally eat an entire bag of chips or a burger, and feel disgusted with yourself. Or just go straight for the porn.
>1) Because I'm not gay<still reads it
Interesting, I'd never heard of a straight guy who liked that stuff.
>2) Because most writers make it the most contrived fujoshi shite ever>3) Because its always done obscenelyOf course I don't disagree, but could you give some examples?
Just for laughs>>3532Hot take: the Buu saga is fun.
>>2767Hot take: I don't give a shit about its quality or fans, I just like the characters. Actually, I think a million teenagers liking it is actually useful for them (particularly burgers since they tend to be so ignorant) to get
introduced to world history and other cultures, with the drawback that they're getting a cutesy, whitewashed and extremely simplified interpretation of events, but fanworks could potentially help them learn more (and in fact there's many examples of this, though the most "serious" are usually of the edgy kind). Aside from that, the series is basically the same as any other "funny history told through anthropomorphized countries" comic/video and the fans are basically the same as any other annoying fandom of 14-year-olds, and just as easy to avoid/tolerate IMO. Actually, I didn't know it had gotten so big, until a couple days ago I was reminded of its existence. I thought its peak was 10 years ago and would never be that popular again.
>>4319>still read itI didn't know it was yaoi until I'd gotten through it, cause tagging is unreliable on e-hentai. I thought it was Rule 63.
>ExamplesA bit hard, since I almost always click away as soon as I know something's yaoi, but a good example is Naruto-Sasuke shit, where half the time the latter fucks the former in his Sexy Jutsu before it dispels and ends up fucking him as a guy… usually as part of a plot to get Sasuke back from Orochimaru… with sex.
>>4339Go watch Dragon Ball and then watch Dragon Ball Z after that. DragonBall Z sucks. Dragon ball is a fun story about a group of misfits who go around collecting the magic dragon balls to fulfill their own selfish (yet ultimately interconnected) interests were the real lesson isn't what they get from the Dragon Balls themselves but then fun and People they met along the way. That's the real lesson.
Now watch DragonBallZ -
>Oh no super powerful dude better just train in 1billion times gravity. >oh no the worlds gonna get blown up…Again
It's boring. We only liked it as children because we didn't know any better and we liked the flashing colors.
>>4338Anybody who likes GT and shits on canon DB should be sent to the fucking gulags permanently
>>4340>>4345t.lying revisionist scum
Only the first saga of GT was the adventure stuff
Everything that you whine about Z and Super was what eventually GT became and carried out even worse.
>>1993fuck naruto
fuck clannad
fuck SAO
fuck boku no hero
death note was meh
gintama isnt funny
steins gate is good but doesnt deserve the hype
same for fullmetal alchemist (this is probably where you lost me kek)
watched anohana till the end and it was boring af
more of a personal thing, but why do people watch sports animes, i think they are boring af…
>>4685Shit take. Kira isn't the only one who gets multiple stands in Diamond is unbreakable. Jotaro gets the world, Koichi gets three acts, and the stray cat gains more abilities as it grows (controlling air, resurrecting itself in another form).
Kira isn't the only one who breaks this magical rule of yours and that rule is shit anyways.
>>4749>spiky cock and atheism mascot.jpthe fuck!?
>discount animationdepends on the show and scenes TBH. If you look at DBZ that's definitely true; with monotonous kick-punch sequences that only change in background. If you look at fight scenes in Naruto or HxH however there is a difference. For example the Kakashi and Obito fight is handicapped in the manga, while the anime makes it incredibly dynamic and well animated. Of course there is the fuck up with Pain vs 6-tails Naruto, but that's an outlier given the many good fights.
>>4749Well they are using like 1/8th the resources your typical western cartoon is using and they have actual character designs to them that they have to move around instead of abstractions of people with bean heads.
If you want to generalize of course, I love me some western cartoons when they are good but…most aren't good.
>>4751>the fuck!?Well they censor the cat so I admit I'm guessing about the anatomically-correct cock.
And the legged-fish is named Darwin.
>>4761True, although…
>and they have actual character designs to them that they have to move around instead of abstractions of people with bean heads.This conversation may turn into a '90s cartoons' lecture very quickly. The 'bean head' phenomenon is mislabeled 'CalArts' style on /co/ and it's a shameful cancer. Western TV animation is well past its golden age.
>>4711Koichi's evolving stand I don't see as multiple stands, it's just able to turn into different forms like King Crimson.
Now Jotaro getting the world on the other hand I have no defense for.
>>4765>Well they censor the cat so I admit I'm guessing about the anatomically-correct cock.And the legged-fish is named Darwin
Ah, that makes sense.
>>2526I forgot to talk about the final feats before the 100 Year Quest sequel Erza pulls off a one-handed jump into the stratosphere to cut a meteor to pieces all while magically exhausted and with busted limbs… it is the most transparent attempt at one-upping War-Arc Naruto feats that I had to laugh. Even fans of the series couldn't take it seriously.
TL;DR: All of Erza's bones were broken, and she destroyed a meteor with her sword, while performing a Saitama-tier jump.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1586212&show=20 >>4779a wrong take is not a hot take newfriend. goblin slayer is a reactionary exploitation series in the spirit of death wish
that's where the fun is
>>19931. "Japan is the most superior country desu!"
2. "It's Inch! Not Ichi!" (mispronouncing "one" in Japanese)
3. "It's DE-SOO! NOT DESS!"
4. "You're a fake Asian if you're not Japanese, you bakas!"
5. "Japan is the only real Asian country there is!"
>>1995Speaking of Naruto fights, something people like to do are VS battles and other stuff - pitting 1 character or group of characters against another. Part of this is, of course power scaling, statements, feats and calcs. This harks back to power levels in DBZ and other media.
Among the common issues of such debates are inconsistencies in a narrative or a character
- PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity, this is when something happens because of plot i.e. Goku getting a sudden power up for no reason
- WIS = Writer Induced Stupidity i.e. Batman KO's superman with a single punch. No other reason is present other than it being batman.
- CIS = Character Induced Stupidity, basically things that happen because of a characters personality. i.e. Flash getting tagged 99% of the time by very slower opponents aka street level guys.
- Gag feats i.e. A character having a huge head or a loud sonic scream for a joke
However one of the biggest problems is that a lot of people take DBZ type power scaling (something also seen in Yu Yu Hakusho with Demon ranks) and apply it to all fandoms, regardless of the type of media. In Fairy Tail, Boku no Hero, One Piece and Naruto there are limitations or complexities 0 power alone has to be significant to make an impact.
Naruto does this really well for a large portion of the story. The 5 elements are set up in such a way that one counters or assists another - wind beats lightning, water beats fire and so on. And then different elements can combine to synchronize; wind empowers fire or kekkei genkai like ice release (water + wind) - and thus, as mastery of all elements was rare, one ninja's strength was another's weakness and vice versa. Moreover Genjutsu, Ninjutsu and Taijutsu focuses meant that masters of one art could be vulnerable to others.
Problem is due to how flashy and powerful one character may seem, another character that ought to be able to beat them due to skill differences is disregarded.
An example of this is the 4th Raikage. Often when compared to someone like Jiraiya, people seem to assume the Raikage would win mid-low diff. The problem is that Jiraiya ought to be a rather good counter to the Raikage - though not quite a hard counter like Kisame was to Killer Bee - mid-diffing him instead.
The feats/statements are what is usually looked at, but lacks important info. The most important part is styles. The Raikage uses Nin-taijutsu, which is why he is backed up by Darui and Cee, to handle long-range combat and genjutsu. His lightning armor defends him against most attacks and boosts his speed to lightning levels, allowing ordinary strong blows become bludgeons with cutting, electrifying ability. Still, he is a close-range fighter
Jiraiya specializes in ninjutsu and a firm taijutsu to back that up. Immobilization and long-range striking would therefore be a major option Example: Swamp of the Underworld, while vulnerable to lightning jutsu, (lightning > earth) would slow done or even halt the Raikage, as it is essentially a bottomless pit capable of swallowing up titanic snakes even when Jiraiya was drugged and weak. Blasting through it would hinder the Raikage's movements and expose him to follow-up strikes - such as a giant rasengan.
This is important because stat-wise Jiraiya matches the Raikage in pure physicals and chakra quantity, meaning that how they use those stats is important in fights, yet people seem to forget that because "lightning beats earth!!!"
You see the same shit with other vsbattles as well, but this exemplifies it well.
>>5277I believe this.
Also, nostalgia for friendship, self-realization, growth in general, recognition, etc.
Hot take:
A lot of anime preys on a-social behavior and social mal-adaptations of its audience for profit. This in turn leads to the normalization of such behavior. This is also increasingly true in western cartoons ("having anxiety is normal" kind of shit). This, together with the "identity as a collection of commodities" has led to the infantilization, increased isolation, and more severe and frequent identity crisis, of a huge swath of the millenial and zoomer generations.
What this means is that whatever politics will be from now on will be mediated as commodities. Showing off books, jewelry, fashion, etc.
Another hot take:
Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of the best pieces of media ever produced. Its implications on Hegelian and psychoanalytic thought are not explored enough (or at all, afaik). Whomever thinks the anime is not good, or that it's about robots, it was unironically 2deep4them. The season finale was indeed perfect, regardless of whether it was "supposed" to be or not.
Final hot take:
Ghost in the Shell SAC 1 and 2 are one of the best leftist anime series.
>>5277Why you're not wrong exactly, it seems to me nostalgia for youth is a part of most cultures, and probably for the same reasons.
>>5303>Hot take:>A lot of anime preys on a-social behavior and social mal-adaptations of its audience for profit. This in turn leads to the normalization of such behavior. This is also increasingly true in western cartoons ("having anxiety is normal" kind of shit). This, together with the "identity as a collection of commodities" has led to the infantilization, increased isolation, and more severe and frequent identity crisis, of a huge swath of the millenial and zoomer generations.>What this means is that whatever politics will be from now on will be mediated as commodities. Showing off books, jewelry, fashion, etc.Good post.
>>5303Based post, very true.
>>5302Basically this.
>>5348>War movies are anime for boomers<muh boomers
please stop, this twitter-tier language is getting cringey as hell
>it often has little bearing to realityDepends on the movie and on the country the movie is from. If you mean something Rambo II-V, yeah no shit, it was part of the CIA's promotion of US imperialism and anti-communism.
If you mean something like First Blood, then it's different.
>Anime, however, just encourages hyper consumerism instead of warring have you seen Tanya the Evil and GATE fans?
>>4825 >>5303the deb8 around NGE on imageboards can be reduced to a clash between two retarded extremes, one side having the guys who overanalyze every single word of the dub, line by line vs /m/orons who willfully refuse to see it as anything other than cool, barely-animated tokusatsu.
I'm an enlightened centrist on the matter, personally.
>>4338GT had very cool ideas and a great soundtrack but the execution was really shitty.
Goku being a kid was actually a neat gimmick and even a necessary one since he'd easily overpower everything otherwise, but why is he brown tho.
Pan however was an absolute waste of a character; we're stuck with her for the entire run and she never develops into anything at all, and only serves to waste time with her canned reactions. Also how come Gohan and Videl seemingly don't give a single shit about her after the first episode?
The planet of the week format in the first arc was weak not because it lacked epin fights but because it simply wasn't entertaining. Enemies were either some dumb animal Goku could evaporate in a second but somehow didn't, or incredibly unfunny weirdos because most anime writers are unable to write anything resembling comedy.
Moving forward, that one guy made of metal was an okay enemy but he goes away in order to make space for Baby.
The Baby arc was sort of alright, actually. Nice fights all around, the matchups were seemingly inspired by old internet posts like "who wud win gohan vs vegeter???? XD" and that's a good thing. SSJ4 looked incredibly badass and unique; sure it's a huge asspull but DB is not stranger to them, starting with King Piccolo downright killing Goku only for him to shrug it off by the next episode lol.
As a personal pet-peeve of mine, Majuub getting his hype moment denied for no reason is both stupid and disappointing.
Super 17 was rock bottom trash tier, good thing he goes away quickly. It's even worse than the Garlic Jr. filler arc in Z despite having both Frieza and Cell (and Nappa) in it; at least the filler in Z had big Maron tiddies flopping around the screen.
Lastly, the Shadow Dragon arc had incredible potential, it could've easily been a top 3 hype arcs in the entire franchise but it ended up being a boring monster of the week shitshow with some cool stuff happening somewhat sparsely near the end.
Now regarding Super, I actually went and watched the first arc (the one with Goku rojo) after seeing people praise it in here, and all I have to say is that I'd much rather rewatch the Baby arc again and pretend Super ends right there.
I can't believe I wrote all this crap, I didn't even know I cared about Dragon Ball this much lol.
I've been playing too much FighterZ I think.
>>2008FLCL has insane animation that is studied by other animators, plot-wise it’s trash
I treat FLCL like REDLINE which is pure eye-candy
>>8897this
>>8920>awkward and forced just like how every other is romanced in there
soft-core porn ecchi/fan service based anime and yuri still does it better then the rest
>iya rin-san not there! XDagain, 75% of romance or ecchi anime is like this
>Yuri Rape.webmNo.
>>9485>yuri still does it better then the restNot really, every Yuri Romance I've seen is even blander than any straight romance because they just jump right into lesbian lust, there is no emotions
>75% of romance or ecchi anime Source: Your ass
>No. Yes, the character forcibly stripped and is left crying, that's not consensual. If it was a boy doing it to a girl you'd certainly here it called rape and not "a gag"
>>9484>anime >Based<the cringe show that has flat art-style, unremarkable-to-poor animation (seriously someone hire Telepurte), uninspired generic designs (basically minor redesigns of the shit NuShe-Ra designs) and radiates liberal idpol. I've seen single-season Fantasy anime that are better than this shit (Rune Soldier Louie anyone?). Heck the central premise is a cross between Little Witch Academia and DnD, even CBR already pointed this out now that I look it up.
I wouldn't give a damn if it was just another dumb cartoon - I've given up on modern Western cartoons having any sort of quality a while ago - but it's calling itself an anime, specifically to attract weebs AND the entire premise has been "It's made by women and trans and its really diverse and cool and makes cultural references too!"
I've seen people talk about Castlevania and seen the previous animated series - it's got anime elements of design and dialogue and has a diverse and varied cast of characters, but it's first and foremost a story and concentrates on that instead of virtue signalling. It stands on its own as a cultural piece and not a political mouthpiece. Even a mid-tier Isekai like Louise the Zero had a diverse cast without being pretentious about it, AND made sense (Ex. Kirche Zerbst is from Germania and so fit her attitude and exotic looks OR The owner of the Inn being flamboyant, yet not overbearing).
>>9483I don't go on /co/ so I'd have no way of knowing that.
>>9491>NGE is overrated<thinking that saying this is a Hot Take in 20212Deep4U
Jokes aside, it is overhyped but I wouldn't say over-rated, it's a bit specific of a show and if you're not willing to observe basic human psychological issues as part of the story, then you're not going to be interested, it's like Madoka - the show is well made but I can't for the life of me sit through it and feel interested; it's just not my cup of tea.
>actively promote is as high art spitefully<"Look! Anime can be good too!"I'm not sure I follow your meaning; They praise it to spite it?
>it is equivalent to a YA novel If it was literary book MAYBE, but it's not - it's a visual medium and moreover an animated and voiced visual medium (this is another reason why the Manga version sucks). Even if it were a YA novel however, the way it is written in terms of characters and story surpasses things like Hunger Games, Maze Runner and other typical YA novels of a similar (sort of) post-apocalyptic genre.
Now the rebuilds on the other hand are 90% shit.
>>9496>it's used as a representative of the height of animeYes that is true. I do consider NGE one of the best anime out there, but it's not beginner material or a good example of introducing people to high quality anime - because it needs to be palatable to a more general audience like Miyazaki films.
>has this additional cultural cache thats been plastered on for over 20 years Do you mean the fandom's waifu-wars? Because yean, it's gotten pretty autistic in places like 4chan. /leftyweebpol/ was a good place to discuss, and the old 90s/2000s sites like Apartment 402 were nice, but over-all we have a mess in that regard.
>>9492>I don't go on /co/ so I'd have no way of knowing that.i'm sure you don't need to if look or search
also High Guardian Spice is anime and based
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>>9520>less misogynisticI mean define how it is? If you mean depictions of Non-con or whatever, femdom and other stuff exists. If it's fucked up shit in general there's no argument there.
>>9501 >don't need to if look or searchTHe fuck are you talking about?
>based… anime it's fake and gay, pic related
>>9523>If you mean depictions of Non-con or whateverEven hentai where there is consent is often extremely misogynistic, the girls are protrayed as immoral sluts, used for nothing other than sex, etc. Even when this is not the case there may be some small misogynistic elements here and there (which to be honest isn't that bad, it would be better if this was the default), or sexual violence which is portrayed as a good thing that makes women feel good. Hentai which is devoid of any of that is quite rare, in fact. Hentai authors often have a pretty fucked up worldview as a result of their alienation.
>femdom and other stuff existsFemdom hentai is made by and for men and it's just an inversion of the maledom shit. Meaning that instead of women being raped and used, it's men, but the focus is still on the girl whose coldness and psychopathy are supposed to be hot. In femdom porn made by and for women, it's the same though the focus is on the guy as a sex object that is to be taken advantage of, which is, of course, not any better than misogyny.
>>9665>instead of women being raped and used, it's men, but the focus is still on the girl whose coldness and psychopathy are supposed to be hot.Most femdom I've seen is mostly a more aggressive girl taking what she wants from a shy guy, or occasionally showing dominance over a macho too big for his britches. It comes off quite different to Maledom.
But yeah Hentai artists are fucked in the head, you have to look specifically for wholesome content to find anything approaching a normal sexual interaction.
Also is it just me or are they obsessed with women rimming guys? It's such a gross thing to me personally.
>>9676>Most femdom I've seen is mostly a more aggressive girl taking what she wants from a shy guy,Oh, sorry, I was talking about "traditional" femdom, not just assertive girl/shy guy kind of stuff. I've been reading about "gentle femdom" recently and apparently it doesn't mean what I thought it meant either so I don't see "femdom" as a shorthand for "women taking the initiative" as much as I used to.
>occasionally showing dominance over a macho too big for his britchesNever seen something like this but would love to.
>Also is it just me or are they obsessed with women rimming guys? It's such a gross thing to me personally.I know, rimming is kinda disgusting. There's been an obsession with anything involving the anus in recent years. I doubt most women actually like to do that, whereas men tend to like more disgusting things, and hentai addicts of course love the humiliation implied in gross sex acts.
>>9684>Never seen something like this but would love toCan't name it off the top my head, but there's a few in nhentai, mostly tomboy stuff.
>an obsession with anything involving the anus in recent years I think it has to do with capitalist decadence, people are so over-saturated by sex that normal stuff doesn't cut it for them anymore.
>I doubt most women actually like to do thatNot even the sluttiest girls I knew of in my high school would do something like that. Hookers usually state upfront that they don't do any of that kind of mouth to ass shit either.
>men tend to like more disgusting things (in sex) I think this is more of a modern generation thing, because back in the day the most daring and 'gross' thing for a guy to be into was some BDSM stuff and even that was mostly just leather and whips.
>hentai addicts of course love the humiliation implied in gross sex actsAbsolutely
>>10016Totally agree. Outside of clips and memes both anime are insane trash.
>>10018Megabased - weebs hype up Madoka like the second coming of anime-christ.
IMO X/CLAMP 1999's initial plot reminds me of the recent Ne Zha movies, especially the recent steampunk one.
X/CLAMP:
https://archive.ph/VSeWo >a young man with extranormal abilities who returns to his old home in Tokyo. However, he soon becomes embroiled in the affairs of the Dragons of Heaven and the Dragons of Earth, two groups seeking to either save the Earth and humanity or to wipe out both in an apocalyptic cleansing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Gods:_Nezha_Reborn >Three thousand years after Nezha fought the sea, Li Yunxiang, a young motorbike rider in Donghai City, discovers that he is Nezha reincarnated. Before he has mastered his powers, his old enemies appear, and he must settle a 3,000-year-old grudge with the Dragon Clan>>10422 Just os you knoq feel free to make suggestions on the Isekai thread
>>373>shamelessly reactionary <generic haremshit Ohohoho then you'll be mad as fuck about Attack on Titan.
>>6734 I agree that reactionary stuff is blatant, but that's fine in say a fantasy setting that has generic demon troops. In recent times most popular LNs and isekai have subverted this (Realist Hero or Konosuba). That said I think it'd be less annoying if they didn't literally celebrate the slaughter and rapey/murderous sexual gratification (Redo of Healer, pic related).
>>10424>Ohohoho then you'll be mad as fuck about Attack on TitanYeah, I've stayed far away from AoT even though I don't necessarily mind some over-the-top senseless slaughter now and then.
>but that's fine in say a fantasy setting that has generic demon troopsThat really depends. A lot of generic high fantasy tropes are arguably reactionary in nature but don't really bother me most of the time. But sometimes the codified values are really blatant and annoying even if no one's saying that "the goblins actually represent x".
>That said I think it'd be less annoying if they didn't literally celebrate the slaughter and rapey/murderous sexual gratification (Redo of Healer, pic related).Yeah that kind of thing is really the problem for me, from what I've read some of the rape in Redo of Healer is supposed to be outright "moral", which is retarded.
>Just os you knoq feel free to make suggestions on the Isekai thread >>373This is a different matter but at this point I really don't care about "saving" isekai tbh. If someone has a genuinely interesting idea for a story that happens to be isekai they should go ahead and do that, but parodies and subversions, while they may at least avoid the problems we've been talking about, won't save the genre from how repetitive it's become.
But anyway, that's enough out of me.
>>10612>sometimes the codified values are really blatant and annoying even if no one's saying that "the goblins actually represent x".Yeah that's true. That's the reason is prefer Goblin Slayer over most goblin depictions - they're immoral from a human perspective but also from the perspective of many other various fantasy races.
>some of the rape in Redo of Healer is supposed to be outright "moral" The fact that this shit has a 7/10 rating says a lot about otaku I think.
>I really don't care about "saving" isekai <parodies and subversions, while they may at least avoid the problems we've been talking about, won't save the genre from how repetitive it's become. True, but most people can't actualize the creation of a genuinely interesting (isekai) story.
>that's enough out of me Feel free to come again ;D
>>10686See
>>10693>The MC only raped one character by physical force <It is only 1 person your honor! Yeah the defendant raped and destroyed her mind and identity but it's totally justified because revenge is good! I applaud your excuses.
>a bloodthirsty imperialist leader that abused him for years as a slave including sexually abusing him That is not a justification to stoop to their level. The Ural Soviet shot Tsar Nicholas and his family without being pigs despite having suffered exactly the same as you described in Imperial prisons and Imperial rule.
>rape by coercion That's still rape.
>The rest was just him being sleazy or involved other people doing the raping. Dirlewanger did not rape everyone his atrocities are committed to, but people under his authority did and are under his control.
>Just because the MC thinks he's in the right doesn't mean the narrative said that <The people he raped and mind broke become his harem members and have moeshit scenes… despite being the subject of his horrendous 'revenge'. The narrative is seen from a Third-person + perspective, leaning to the MC, meaning that it is taking HIS view.
>showing how people can lose their mind from trauma of being abused by those in power There are better ways and he is portrayed and positioned positively in the story. Also even if your claim about the narrative is correct (it is not) the leagues of /pol/ incels that love this shit celebrate it as good. The fact that the rape is done with gratuitous soft-core hentai-tier fanservice only confirms my point. link related is an example of these fans and prior mentioned moe-shit:
https://archive.ph/cJhIx Yeah what a CHAD huh?!
>Only virtue signaling liberals think it's problematic. <If you think a portrayal of rape in animated media in detail is disgusting you're a lib!There is a difference between outrage over boob-size (Uzaki-Chan) and outrage over a protagonist being a fucking rapist psycho. Trauma or not that doesn't mean he's justified. Also it's a terrible and shallow depiction of trauma and rape.
https://archive.ph/NPmM8 But then again there are people that couldn't comprehend Sasuke Uchiha's rampage, so it's no surprise that all but remotely nuanced depictions are tossed aside.
At least Shield Hero, though I'm not a fan of the edginess, actually does it's revenge story in logical fashion. He took revenge against entitled nobles but did not commit atrocities to do so. All this is ignoring the fact that Redo is just plain lazy fucking writing. "We only kept you alive so we could use you for healing you know" is fucking inane. The Shield Hero makes sense; the hero historically supported Melomarc's enemy and has no real attack power, meaning that he is a liability in the view of Autcrey… where does this factor in to ReDo, there existed no reason for it and it's just abuse for shock value. Even Game of Thrones didn't have this level of inane murder/rape for no reason.
>>10686He didn't just rape her, he basically murdered her by erasing her memory and changing her personality.
And even if she was an abusive imperialist rapist, that doesn't make raping her back and enslaving her okay
>>10692Sorry to break it to you but as stupid as it sounds Redo of Healer ironically is a relatively realistic portrayal for what is passed off as some harem fantasy for certain people. Reality isn't all about good versus evil it's about different shades of grey. No one is perfect and fate doesnt always care if you're a good person or a bad person you just get what you get. It's sad but true. You really need to get some perspective and realize fiction isn't reality. It's just so out of touch to be outraged at a fictional character like they are a real person and only focus those feelings at the MC as if somehow they are the worst when the others dont even have excuses. Touch some grass.
>>10699She lost memory of who she was but retained traits of her own personality so basically he erased things that corrupted her. Literally no one here said in reality doing those sort of things is a good idea (though i do commonly see people endorcing rape of males that are rapists a lot)…reminder it's fiction. It's there for entertainment. Nearly everyone has thoughts of doing murder or maybe rape in some form at some point whether consciously or unconsciously but it's not same as actually doing it or even same as planning on doing it. Next you're going to tell me slasher horror film fans are evil psychopathics just because they like seeing how people die in those sort of films. I think the show did a good job at exposing how hypocritical a lot of people are about their idea of morals.
>>10739> Reality isn't all about good versus evil it's about different shades of grey.Yeah I know, but ReDo isn't try it's portraying clearly immoral shit as "grey" it's just a poorly done revenge fantasy; moreover 2 wrongs do not make a right.
>no one is perfect and fate doesn't always care if you're a good person or a bad personFate is bullshit and that is a generic and vague argument, that essentially revokes all responsibility of an individual and their actions.
>so out of touch to be outraged at a fictional character I'm not a social media faggot, it's not about the fictional character's rights, I couldn't care less about that. It's because fictional characters and stories are a representation of something and fictional portrayals influence those that see them. There is a reason things like stochastic terrorism are real phenomena. In other words the point is that the portrayal is garbage because it does not hold up in cultural, literary or ethical ways and attempts to present a horrific and frankly pointlessly vile story. In Russia this shit is called Чернуха or Blackness - dark, ugly content for no purpose other than the sake of having it.
>only focus those feelings at the MC as if somehow they are the worst when the others dont even have excuses<Pointing out the focus of the show and it's main character means you're ignoring the atrocities of others I applaud you, knave
>touch grassfuck off and get a shrink you fucking psycho.
NTA
>she was but retained traits of her own personality so basically he erased things that corrupted her<"he just cleaned her of the bad parts after raping her! She just needed to be 'fixed' with some raping and brain-washing! and still using a red hot poker in the LN " You are a sociopath or a psychopath trying to justify your shit taste and lack of ethics because your shit edgelord show got taken apart for the shlock it is.
>no one here said in realityYou are extremely defensive for someone not being directly attacked in the post you are replying to. Also I'll point out that incels especially on 4chan and including /a/ CELEBRATE the MC as a "chad" for doing this and voice their opinion of doing the same or worse if they were in his position.
>Nearly everyone has thoughts of doing murder No, no they don't. Not randomly.
>or maybe rape in some form at some point No, nobody that isn't sick in the head fantasizes about raping ANYONE. Stop trying to pretend your projections are genuine. Seek help, FR.
>people endorcing rape of males that are rapists a lotThis comes from burger culture that makes it into a joke and bourg-lib feminists, this is not something majorly present outside the USA.
>it's fiction<muh not-real fallacy Holy fuck are you for real right now? It being fictional is not a fucking excuse you retard.
>It's there for entertainmentBlood Sport is some of the scummiest kinds of "entertainment" and is the kind of shit that porky revels submerging people into because mindless violence, fictional or not, trivializes the action for them, desensitizing them and even evoking dopamine as seen by people video taping horrendous "fights" that have a person stomp another' head into a bloody pulp, as people excitedly laugh and cream "World Star". Typical Westernoid shit.
>it's not same as actually doing it or even same as planning on doing itYou actually bought into the "haha thought crime" joke didn't you? You do realize there is a difference between a passing thought that horrifies you, and having that thought and reveling in the fantasy of it.
> you're going to tell me slasher horror film fansThere is not comparison because Slasher horror films aren't making justifications for the killers, and if they do, they are panned by critics and fans alike.
>hypocritesStealing lines from Nux Taku is not an argument. Just because social media has a ton of virtue signaling ethots, doesn't mean that moral condemnation of this crap is automatically disqualified.
>>10694Yeah, in the past decade anime really has become dumping ground that really demonstrates (and normalizes) the worst qualities of these degenerates.
>>10739the main character is a rapist and a murderer and it doesn't make it okay just because he was sexually and physically abused
dipshit
>>10758>U-ur just triggurd<People expressing their opinion and discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of an anime on an anime board are just "outraged" uygha I couldn't give less of a fuck, hell Nux Taku literally talks about the anime being so trash that it's not getting the exposure that Tate no Yuusha or Goblin Slayer did.
>this drama<they're making money if you call out their bullshit Nice try faggot. 1) Most people that hear about this shit are going to pirate it, bringing no profit to those sick fucks
2) People don't care about authors and their other works unless one work already gets a big following. The biggest fandom on /a/ is Naruto, Dragon Ball, One Piece and NGE. Out of those things, and that is for those individual shows nobody is going to look up other Kishimoto media or Anno media, because people are there for a specific produc. ReDo has nothing that could make it last long and it since most people pirate Isekai it's not going to get much profit. People also are so overall indifferent to the content outside of 4chan that no large group even actively campaigned to #Cancel it because it is that fucking generic and unlikeable to all people outside of incel Self-Inserters.
>if people wanted to beat off to megarape they would get some VN, hentai or game with those tags Not an argument. None of those things are public products made for mass-consumption and the appeal of fetishes put in non-private media exists. The end-all-be-all of the show is revenge rape haremshit fantasy, that's it.
>>10741But it is grey. Revenge is stupid but that doesn't mean it's not understandable why someone would have such feelings and it's not an environment where he could just be really civil about everything because he has no power and is up against imperalist leaders and armies. When I was talking about fate I didnt mean determinism just the flow of events that occur the way they do. Just couldn't think of a better word for it. Your thought process is the epitome of Twitwit's cancel culture. These sort of things can serve as outlets for people where they can keep it fantasy not reality. Only a very small portion of people would actually be made more likely to do an act of murder or rape because of media while more it reduces their liklihood as various studies have suggested. It acts both as an outlet and as a way of exposure if the portrayal is realistic. Just because it's not framed in a moralistic narrative doesnt mean it's not realistic in depiction. By portrayal of that rape that is realistically brutal rather than cherry coated fetishism it allows for empathetic reaction. I found it uneasy to watch but I see that as a good thing not a bad thing. The MC also although hypocritical had multiple times shown a very negative view about rape so it would be pretty absurd to suggest this encourages rape and murder. I spend a lot of my time for at least a decade trying to helping out and console people with problems including rape victims.
>>10746Literally not an argument. No one said it was okay rather it's more understandable and not equally bad as if he had no reason and if he raped and killed overall good people. Ethics are grey abstractions not black and white objectivities. Also do all you watch children's shows? Pretty much every action type show outside of shounen and shoujo for younger audiences the MC kills people. As I told the other poster it's not like he has much choice on using violence. Yes the rape is not necessary for that but the violence is.
>>10764>But it is grey. Revenge is stupid but that doesn't mean it's not understandable why someone would have such feelings That doesn't make it Grey, Grey =/= understandable even if understandability is part of it. Zabuza's death and his philosophy of being a ninja tool in Naruto is understandable but the man killed an entire class of children before he even graduated the academy and had no qualms about killing Team 7 and the Bridge Builder despite being aware that the bridge is important for the Land of Wave. He is in terms of story, a villain and that's undeniable, there is no grey area in saying "even a monster can have humanity".
>it's not an environment where he could just be really civil about everything Count of Monte Cristo, Shield Hero and any other revenge stories do not resort to this kind of shit behavior, because that is tasteless. Could revenge rape occur? Yes, but that's not really necessary to convey a story unless you're setting up a villain.
> the flow of events that occur the way they doSure, life can take you in unexpected directions, but as I said, this is fiction, the point of fiction is to present a story and the story presents concepts, ideas and thoughts - if it does not there is no point to it, like in Balabanov's Cargo 200, and so you just get pointless rape fantasies from the sick mind of the author.
>Your thought process is the epitome of Twitwit's cancel culture. No, no it is not, your hyperbole indicates a lack of comprehension of what Twitter cancel culture states and what I am stating. It is not about sexism or other virtue signaling, it's about it being a disgusting fantasy that has no point except to promote a rape revenge fantasy and normalize the concept, desensitizing people.
>Muh fantasy realistic Game of Thrones's best episodes were not from "muh realistic plunder and rape" but from the machinations and plot of squabbling nobles, and the more the show got worse the more they resorted to gratuitous violence and rape, because that's what the uninspired and immature consider to be "mature and realistic"
>These sort of things can serve as outlets for peopleI've heard this excuse a dozen times and never seen convincing proof. Playing FPS video games has done nothing to curb gamers from having spastic tard rage if they lose, to the point that you see children swearing like sailors and saying "get shit on" or other crap like that. The Chr*stCh*rch shooter did a FPS camera angle and the video is presented as a fucking videogame mission. The US army hired video-gamers to fly their drones etc.
I once made an effort post detailing the dozens of studies that demonstrated that media violence depicted gratuitously and without censure INCREASES violent tendencies in viewers. Nobody says seeing this makes most people go out and kill others, but it does increase aggression, it does increase violent thoughts and the self-justification of them and this can result in shit like antagonism and brutal fights. I really don't think you've seen a street fight gone bad over pointless aggression. Obviously Superstructure reflects the Base, but the Base is also influenced by Superstructure - otherwise things like Red Scar propaganda wouldn't have worked.
>Just because it's not framed in a moralistic narrative doesn't mean it's not realistic in depiction <portrayal of that rape that is realistically brutal 1) It's not realistic, it's a fucking fantasy that has him use a hot poker on hre and rape her beaten body and then magically turn her into someone different and lacking a single scratch because "fuck consequences, let the MC do everything and have no blowback". And its not any more brutal than any other rape/abuse hentai you can dig up, heck it's fucking vanilla as fuck even in the LN compared to the shit you can find easily
2) As I said before realism =/= good product or good story
>it allows for empathetic reaction You sound like that brony fucker that needed Rainbow Dash edited into a holocaust picture to "truly empathize" with the events on the photo. If THIS is the kind of shit that you REQUIRE to empathize, you don't need an excessively edgy anime, you need psychiatric help.
>I found it uneasy to watch but I see that as a good thing It isn't a good thing, a movie should make you interested and to think, but not that you want to leave
>multiple times shown a very negative view about rape <hypocritical Hitler and numerous other heinous people in Nazi Germany expressed moralistic views, that they oh so hypocritically gave no regard to in the face of their actions.
>would be pretty absurd to suggest this encourages rape and murder It does, by having the rape have no long-term consequences, it being a "justified revenge" and it being done so explicitly, it does encourage these things. Writing in a story matters.
>I spend a lot of my time for at least a decade trying to helping out and console people with problems including rape victims. Even taking this at face value, this is an utter nonsequitur.
NT
>Ethics are grey abstractions just saying "it's grey" doesn't make it so. There are many things that lie in grey areas but there are black and white ethical concepts.
>Pretty much every action type show outside of shounen and shoujo for younger audiences the MC kills people. Rarely in great detail and as in GoT the more gratuitous it is, the less justified.
A good example of excessive violence done right is Omni-man and Invincible, because it makes sense and presents it as horrific to the extreme and no magical device or person fixes this. It's also a good story because the violence proves a point (such as the people maimed by Invincible trying to save them from the falling building).
>not like he has much choice on using violence. It's HOW it is used that's the point, the portrayal is just edginess for the sake of it.
>>11137I think that the golden-age of shonen is the 1990s -2000s and died after 2 of the Big 3 ended and sequel cashgrabbing got turned up to 11.
>few have come close which ones do you consider coming close?
>>11138I'm inclined to agree with you on the golden age, I will say however that new age shonen is amazing and has the quality and potential reach the same level as previous era. JJK, Chainsawman, Juujika are looking good, the future is bright.
>which ones do you consider coming close?my opinions are contrived but I like to go by: overall consistency, arc quality, stretches of greatness, along with all the other popular markings of what makes an entertaining series. I'll put down what made them come close but not why they didn't.
Those that come/came close :
DBZ - Raditz Saga up to end of Cell Saga is one of the best runs of all time.
One Piece - Has delivered consistent quality for almost 20 years
Naruto - Almost delivered consistent quality while having one of the best runs, Chunnin up to End of Pain invasion
Rurouni Kenshin - Contains of the best arcs of all time (Kyoto), One of the best villains of all time (Shishio) and an enticing villain group (Juppongatana)
HxH - Highly entertaining arcs and contains one of the best arcs of all time, Chimera Ant. Also could potentially contain The greatest arc of all time, The Dark Continent arc.
Haikyuu - Entertaining sports manga with quality content
Death Note - Overall a great series, deserves it's praise
Attack On Titan - Has a great and ambitious arc, the rumbling, combined with the turn in quality from "basic" to political suspense thriller.
YYH - Has two amazing arcs combined with compelling villains, one of the few that had even more potential to be the best compared to it's contemporaries if the series wasn't as "basic" as it become from it's premise.
*Others* - Some series that are considered classics or great in their own right are not included as I have not read/watched them all, however I will add a few of them due to what i've personally know, and from what i've seen from general opinion. Could they already be the best shonen? maybe, however going off the genre as a whole and what you can expect from them, probably not.
JJBA - Apparently contains one of the best arcs and compelling villains, has stood the test of time
Ashita no Joe / Slam Dunk - Hailed as the best sports manga
Saint Seiya / Fist of the North Star - SS apparently contains of the best arcs of all time, FOTNS considered a classic and has stood the test of time.
As an ending note, this take could have not been made, but the biggest problems concerning these series usually comes to a drop of quality and writing. DBZ turns into a mess, Togashi was fed up with publishers so YYH has a noticeably bad and rushed ending, Naruto folds into itself with glaring plot problems during the biggest Arc, etc etc.
>>9523High Guardian Spice is out and it's anime and based
:^)
>>11140TPN was amazing for good amount of time. From the escape to Norman's return, it was consistently great and intriguing. I actually think it gained unnecessary criticism after it's first arc when it started to transition towards Goldy Pond. People thought the quality dropped so far down or became bad, when in reality it's just extremely hard to follow up on an arc like the first one, the next arcs were really good in their own right, it just wasn't the escape. That being said the manga falls to absolutely shit almost directly after pic rel, it's almost comical how the author fumbled. After they meet up again, it fluctuated from bad to mediocre.
I dropped MHA like 30 chapters or so in when it first came out, i knew where it was headed.
>>11139>Naruto folds into itself with glaring plot problems during the biggest ArcSort of, I think the problems of Naruto are fine if they ended the story there as a happy final end, it's the Boruto sequel that really just kills it.
And yeah you've got pretty good taste amigo.
I dislike Chainsa but the rest are pretty based.
>>11148>>11149Saying "cope" doesn't make it true either ツ
>already true In a backwards universe
Takt OP.Destiny is just Evangelion's "Dance Like You Want To Win" scene but using magical girls and tech instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIvDySmp5pM Now THIS is Music! | takt op.Destiny
>>11148Not that anon, why is it good?
All the reviews I've seen say that every main character is unlikable and the animation is a giant flop.
>>11806I just said that to make the other guy seethe. This, however, is an honest post:
>>11803>>11808How many "serious" anime have you watched and which series specifically?
>>11899>they're fucking excessive with words>safely say real literature takes less time to read. I can get through 20 volumes in less than a day, I've done the same with Moby Dick unabridged, you probably took a longer time because you're not into it and so reluctance make it stretch out more (TBF most LNs are boring as fuck).
>even the recappingThat happens?! The LNs I've read don't have that
>>11899>when they're fucking excessive with words?You know they're written so even a kid can understand them, right
They're called light novels because they use pretty basic language lol
>>11904>look how fast I can readYet you fail to comprehend the basic gestalt of my postings, which, admittedly, weren't written in the most fashionable of manners. Try to actually read, not speed and feel free to attempt a reply at my initial postings once more.
>and so reluctance make it stretch out more Why even have conversations if you're speedreading them? Filthy ESLs have no respect. You're projecting an emotion upon me while I simply list basic facts.
>that happens?Yes.
>>11906>they're for kidsIf you mean Young Adults then I'd like to compare them to YA novels written in other languages. The excessiveness of words has to do with writing skill. With tension, lacking in LN translations, not with easy of reading. This excuse 'YA' or 'kids' is tired. It's not a novel argument, nor a convincing one.
>>11922>ook how fast I can read If that's the meaning you got from my post you are the speedreading retard and not me, capiche Kizaru?
>Filthy ESLs And yet you're the ignoramus unable to read into a sentence, as your response to the other anon further proves.
>projecting an emotion No, no I am not. It's a basic fucking fact that the more reluctant you are to do something, the less likely you are to do it, unless an outside motivator is pushing you. If you are not into a style of writing and its contents you are going to be far less able to read it fast, unless you skim it. THOSE are basic facts you caustic faggot. Take a chill pill and get off the internet for a day.
>>1994hating shonen isnt a hot take
>>2002which one
>>2014this isnt a hot take, its just pseudery
>>2060again, disliking incredibly popular media isnt a hot take
>>2065being a weeaboo ashamed of himself isnt a hot take
>>2124liking flat chests isnt a hot take either but its still quite brave of you to say that when everyone likes cowtits these days
>>2154>ultra softcore porn of 11 year old school girls<a slice of life with literally ZERO sexualizationyoure so fucking stupid, are you an american christian?
>>2157>I don't know why you would complain now though. They stopped making a dozen SoL a season to do isekai instead a while back.retards who love to complain about how everything sucks are always ahistorical
even isekai isnt overproduced in anime these days also
>>2216you can like both and they arent very similar besides both being mahou shoujo
>>2243read the manga, youll enjoy it more
>>2303do NOT read the manga, its very different from the novel
>>2281nobody here likes anime and they pretend to be disillusioned weeaboos who only now hate anime for cool points because old good and new bad
>>2346you shouldve seen 2000s anime then
>>2439unlike moeshit, iyashikei isnt a term meant to be insulting
>>2386why does a friendship become bad the moment sex is involved if they remain friends after fucking
the answer is because youre deeply conservative
>>2416using services filled with ads is never fine, even if you block them because page visits also give them money
torrent will always be king, go seed seed seed
>>2422old people also struggled and still struggle with torrents
the bittorrent protocol has never been largely popular and the average person went for easier p2p software like kazaa or soulseek
>>2475they arent americans so no data caps
>>2483im tired of every joke in anime being a manzai skit
>>2526finally a detailed explanation instead of a one-liner dumb opinion
>>2767hetalia has always been hated and associated with le fujos so this is not a hot take
>>2886you arent cool for blindly hating most anime
>>3110killing bites never pretended to be anything but a silly gorefest like most gorefests in the medium
>>3537you hate a genre that doesnt appeal to you and you hate that a porn genre is "obscene", amazing
>>4330this doesnt even qualify as homoeroticism let alone "yaoishit", do you even know what the page is saying
>>4507not a hot take
>>5136i think the threads were popular because the girls were hot, thats all
>>5149you arent funny
>>9470hating high guardian spice is probably the coldest take in the entire thread
>>9489not a hot take, theres hundreds of pseuds exactly like you on 4chan
>>10694and thats a good thing
>>5277this isnt a hot take but i agree with it nonetheless
>>5188the government doesnt control anime directly but the people in the committees tend to have values closely aligned with the government
>>12947>even isekai isnt overproduced in anime these days alsoKind of true, but there are still at least half a dozen made every year, and the post of mine is from 2020, during the big boom of it.
>you shouldve seen 2000s animeNTA but I grew up on 90s and 2000s anime (among other things) and the reruns of 80s anime, the 2000s have similarity to one another, but that's more a style of the era, every decade had it, the 2010s hover are literally the same computer models often enough.
>why does a friendship become bad the moment sex is involved <ur conservative LOL no. putting aside the fact that you're blatantly ignoring the context (fetishized samesex shipping of straight friend characters of an anime/manga), the dynamics of a friendship change, because, like it or not, sex is intimate and a different kind of love than that which you hold for a brother/friend. Changing it from friends to sexual-interest decontextualizes very interaction the characters have into vulgarity.
This is beside the fact that the dehumanizing and disgusting samesex fetishization is unliked by gay people too.
>even if you block them because page visits also give them money NTA but who cares? We aren't losing money that they gain, we're not paying anything to them, companies that put up ads pay the site to place the ads up, the audience's mulla is untouched.
>>12949>finally a detailed explanation instead of a one-liner dumb opinionGlad you liked it, though there's parts I'd like to revise, 2 years later.
>hetalia has always been hated The big fandom and tons of fanart indicate the reverse.
>>12967So any depiction of homosexual sex is fetishized? Even when most of the artists doing it are homosexuals themselves?
>the dynamics of a friendship change, because, like it or not, sex is intimate and a different kind of love than that which you hold for a brother/friendLike Bane would say: "For you."
>>12973>Even when most of the artists doing it are homosexuals themselvesMost yaoi and yuri art gets done by (often straight) women expressing their voyeuristic paraphilic fetish; thus the term Fujo for it, don't be obtuse.
>"For you."No, not "for me", for anyone that isn't terminally porn-addled.
>>12990You're really going to post a quote from a fucking Christian conservative? What's next, fucking nofap infographics?
>for anyone that isn't terminally porn-addledStop universalizing your own experiences. "Friends with benefits" have been a thing since ever.
>>12992>a fucking Christian conservative<hurr Imma ignore the fair point and the fact that this is the author of classic benchmarks of literature to attack them personally cuz I got no argument! Ok fag, cry me a river.
>Stop universalizing your own experiences.No, because this has been generally social opinion for decades or more
>"Friends with benefits" have been a thing since ever.Again ignoring the entire argument to make a strawman, truly good fallacy-bending
>>12998>calling it 'inhumane' to headcanon drawn characters<It's just a drawing! Every Time, LMFAO.
Nice scarecrow there BTW, too bad anyone can scroll up and se the context being these shallow coomer depictions being considered like that by actual gay people online.
> reactionaryAnd yet another moron doesn't comprehend the term and uses it as an ideological substitute for "person i don't like"
Touch Grass
>>13004>justify my own humanityLMAO nobody attacked your humanity you dramaqueen
>porn is bad retardIt's scientific fact, jack. No argument.
>>13007>Youre so actually malicious towards gay peopleNo, no I m not because nowhere do I attack gay people or gayness, I attack a very shallow genre of waifufagging (and already shallow activity) that makes gay people a cute little fetish for fujo girls to squirt over and completely disregard the human aspect for lasciviousness.
https://archive.ph/vBdo7>false pretense that you are somehow on their side its disgustinThis right here is gaslighting and slander. You are cringe, deal with it.
>>13015> This right here is gaslightingYou are very good at being smug
Well as a gay man the only person disregarding my humanity in this thread is you
>>13018>ou are very good at being smugNothing to be smug about, you're just being fallacious at every turn.
>as a gay manDon't believe you and you are one person, and a clear coomer that can't bear to see any mean words threaten your fapmaterial, so you attack it and hide behind "muh gayz" to virtue signal yourself a shield from criticism.
>the only person disregarding my humanity in this thread is youNobody is doing that, you're just crying wolf cuz you're a sore loser.
Touch Grass and good night.
>>13015Also I read this very level-headed take:
https://archive.ph/vBdo7I agreed with it largely, fujoshi in certain contexts can be very uncomfortable especially when the behavior is done irl, however if you go through your replies we find much more general comments:
> (fetishized samesex shipping of straight friend characters of an anime/manga< plenty of gay people do this, it's not disgusting or dehumanizing and it's not just 'rotten girls' < it's not that weird to view romance in a media form that has for years kind of forgotten about gay people while often known for writing some pretty crazy subtext< even legitimate BL shows due tonot wanting to be criticized never draw more than 'stare longingly at the other guy' > CS Lewis critique< this is straight up offensive, headcanoning fictional characters isnt a lack of ability to make or understrand friendship. The gay community is usually much better at maintaining a sense of community than pretty much anyone else (except for some minorities)< denying gay men do this in yaoi and yuri> see bara>>13020> Don't believe youAgain youre just kind of a bully,
>>13021>All this <literal contrarian nitpicking Yeah I'll leave that for tomorrow, I got work in 6 hours
>youre just kind of a bullyNo, you're just a snowflake, this is a chan, not your nitter account
>>2202This
It also helps that it treats the source material seriously.
There is a noticeable tonal shift when you watch Brotherhood after the original series that’s jarring. Characters have way more over-the-top reactions for the sake of comedic relief, but it really undercuts the drama to an obnoxious degree.
I just wish the manga was finished so they could have used that ending instead of the convoluted mess it became.
Maybe it’s personal preference, but I also think the music is better.
>>13023>Anyone<projecting this hard LMAO
>>13021> plenty of gay people do this<continues to ignore the specific context to argue a strawman >for years kind of forgotten about gay people *cough* bullshit *cough*
> legitimate BL shows due tonot wanting to be criticized never draw more than 'stare longingly at the other guy' LMAO stop making up crap trying to present PG and PG-13 rating restriction as censorship of "muh geys" it's disingenuous. Inb4 "muh R" For a long time, R-rating did not include ANY blatant sex or nudity of any orientation.
>this is straight up offensive No, you're just playing victim over a critique of fetishim not even addressed at gay people at all during its writing, moron.
>headcanoning fictional characters isnt a lack of ability to make or understrand friendship It is when the headcanon is blatantly counter to the actual canon, it's not exclusive to fujocrap.
>The gay community is usually much better at maintaining a sense of communityYou're just making an assertion not actually relevant to literature, or again to my specific point.
>denying gay men do this in yaoi and yuriThe fuck are you on about?
> see bara *pfft* that's your evidence? A genre of gay hentai that encapsulates the hilarious memery of Van-sama?
Also, again, you're arguing a strawman - I specifically talked about taking non-gay characters of non-hentai manga and making them gay for the purpose of appealing to other fujo.
>fujoshi in certain contexts can be very uncomfortable especially when the behavior is done irlYeah, that is my point
<however if you go through your replies Replies to what? Nothing you greentexted is a reply to my point or a quote of a reply to my post.
>>13044You haven't even defined fetishization and then claim you have a coherent point. If we are talking about fetishizing the concept of gayness in yaoi then that is as you point out disrespectful - whether it is really all that destructive I'm skeptical of. The same fetishization does not necessarily apply to yuri, where significant readership is queer and has out lesbian writers. There are of course gay males writing yaoi and gay male readers but certainly the minority.
Also your scientific anti porn thing (there is no scientific consensus, porn compulsion is different than addiction) and generality of statements implies a condemnation of kink or sexual nature in the community. Such as saying Yuri authors are drawing their own voyeur Which is ridiculous because so many of them are in fact queer. Or dropping a christians take that is so monstrously disrespectful to how gay people experience their own relationships. If you're going to retreat to just a mild condemnation of fujos sure whatever, but a greater part of your arguments is clearly rooted in moralistic condemnations of sexuality especially those common in queer communities.
>>13053>You haven't even defined fetishizationgoalpost shifting, not to mention the fact that you're being blatantly obtuse about a very simple concept.
>If we are talking about fetishizing the concept of gayness in yaoi then that is as you point out disrespectful<whether it is really all that destructive I'm skepticalIt is in regards to taking non-gay characters and making them gay because "close friends are totally closet homos and fucking, uwu"; vulgar and crass to any normal person AND exploitative at best.
>The same fetishization does not necessarily apply to yuriYuri is also often trash, but because it is done by women usually it has at least decorum and not just blatant lust trying to pretend to be a good story or character interaction, but that's not the topic at hand.
>gay males writing yaoi and gay male readers but certainly the minorityThat's my point
>there is no scientific consensusYou can claim that about almost anything, not an argument
>porn compulsion is different than addictionDon't play a fool, it's impact on the brain is similar and comparable to HEROIN, the main problem of which is the addictiveness.
>enerality of statements implies a condemnation of kink or sexual nature in the communityBecause it is a vocal minority for people, most people do not want to know or see your fetishes and many fetishes are the result of sex-obsession; a primarily burger problem that plagues the culture.
>uri authors are drawing their own voyeurNever said that Kizaru, try again.
>dropping a christians takeNot an argument, you are attacking the source (based purely on ideological lumping at that) and ignoring the argument.
>disrespectful to how gay people experience their own relationshipsFucking horseshit; you're doing it again, virtue signaling a shield from criticism by crying "homophobe" at a literary analysis from 1960 addressing male fetishism of women and fictional straight relationships, but in a manner that applies to ALL relationships. Being gay doesn't make your relationship magically much different, hell that is the platform gay rights activists have repeated for decades; you're being blatantly hypocritical and fallacious.
>a greater part of your arguments is clearly rooted in moralistic condemnations of sexualityNope, you are projecting your victim complex onto me and my criticism of a specific genre of (fan)fiction. Are you fucking 12 that you cannot comprehend the difference between fiction and reality? Fuck off.
PS erotica =/= porn in the modern sense; a scantily clad girl is erotic, a gangbang is porn.
>>13056 >finger wagging moralism <every queer personNonsequitur and false, you have no argument and keep falling back to "homophobe!" ven though I have never attacked gays or their relationships in any posts; I directly addressed an unhealthy exploitation of a specific subculture of fiction.
>has had shoved in their face for their entire lifeAre you really trying to engage in liberal oppression olympics directed at an argument I never made? Go back to reddit.
>You'd be hard pressed to find a single gay person that wouldn't knock out your teeth if you said any of this nonsense to them<If this weren't de darn internetz I'd beat u up! <My projected conception of gays is universal! Funny how I HAVE met MANY gay people, that live their lives freely being themselves, that are extremely uncomfortable by fujoshi and their "fiction" and depiction of relationships, if you genuinely think that depicting sex-obsessed and often abusive closet relations are good depictions of gay relationships… man you are fucked up.
>>13062 >no argument<N-no u! kek
>moralizing religious Religion nor theology is never mentioned in any of my posts, you keep bringing it up
<cuck cuck cuck Ok /pol/
>using a random picture<t.can't read >desperate for attention <which is why I sage my post (sarcasm) And yet you keep replying…
>>13592Same and I hate it
>>14412You should take that to /meta/ though
>>13701t. Didn't understand Eva
Also the Monogatari series is overrated trash
>>2014if you think in the future liberated workers will just naturally of their own accord create exclusively historical materialist entertainment, you are retarded.
even your own comment wasn't historically materialist, nor your decision to make it. guess you're a liberal buddy.
>>14670Actually it'd only be a false dichotomy if I said you can only like one of them, which I didn't, so ironically you're the one being reductive.
There, absolutely mind-broken by solid reasoning. Nothing personal.
>>14670…and pretending everything is like cheering for sports teams, like
>>14680 does. You forgot that.
>>11139my hot take is the buu arc is really good and perfectly mixes the silliness of early db and the more serious but on-the-fly storytelling of z to create a story that's not planned out but equal parts extremely funny, exciting and meaningful
>>16005>>16039oda and toriyama aren't super-serious like araki (whose manga is "just silly" too if you oversimplify it) and tend to be self-distanced - that doesn't mean their manga is not emotionally earnest
>Literally you have characters dying from falling of stairsno one ever broke their neck falling down a flight of stairs you're right
>>17221>>16004don't think japan really cares. kouta hirano is def more left leaning if you look at his twitter and they were good friends + hirano was crushed when he died. the artist for another manga he wrote, koukoku no shugosha (also gundam ibo character designer) is a lib and worked with him
he's def seen as more than just "the zombie gore and tits manga guy" in japan
>>17256 (me)
princess mononoke should have gotten miyazaki the oscar, not spirited away (yes spirited away is an excellent movie, I just found princess mononoke more emotionally involving)
the only good haruhi media is the movie
liz and the blue bird is the best thing I've seen from kyoto animation, it's kino from start to finish
they should have made more trava: fist planet
I very badly want Patlabor EZY to be good but I know it's not going to be
nagatoro isn't funny, it's just more cookie cutter high school romcom humor once the novelty of the female love interest being an abrasive asshole wears off (which happens really quick)
the best of monogatari in terms of consistent quality are bake and kizu
bryan cranston should do more anime dubs for my amusement
>>17256>imaishi is at his best when he's not doing shonen-y stuff, dead leaves and edgerunners are both great but kill la kill just came off as trying too hard to be epic bacon narwhali agree now but gurren is shoneny and i like it far, far more than klk
>>17256the best of lupin is the manga imo. miyazaki solo eps for red jacket were not as good as when he was working with takahata; green jacket was a collaboration and felt more monkey punch-like cuz takahata is imo less bound by a single style. you had miyazaki's technical prowerss and takahata being more open to experimentation = gold
hate woman called fujiko mine cuz it basically introduced a really bad sexist reading of fujiko then went "lol, you actually believed fujiko is like that cuz she was raped? no she's just a cool strong freewheeling woman" yeah, but I didn't LIKE it and thought it was bad. I spent a good chunk of the series arguing "that's not what they're saying" but I did change my mind when you showed the owl rape cuz you made it more and more in your face then went "lol, implanted memories". instead of making her a victim for so much of the story, even attempting suicide, why not have her just be a cool and active protag all the way? the koike films are way more "lupinlike" imo and look better too; fujiko didn't handle his designs super well and you had some episodes that were very "off model but in a bad way that makes it clear the animators were rushed", not in a loose fun way like trava fist planet.
the individual adventure episodes were good though. pyramid episode by the guy who directed the gurren hot springs ep was wonderful. if it was all like that I'd have loved it and Mari Okada could have done it; she wrote the amazing first 2000s Zorori movie.
>>17258>they should have made more trava: fist planetI'm gonna be really hipstery and say trava was better in terms of visual style. redline is amazing and more of a technical marvel but more focused on realism and has less wacky changes from pulpy detail to cartoony and skillfully deformed drawings & motion
>nagatoro isn't funny, it's just more cookie cutter high school romcom humor once the novelty of the female love interest being an abrasive asshole wears off (which happens really quick)i think the popularity of "my waifu is bullying me" stuff just shows otaku interests are getting sadder and sadder. I'd prefer media where both the love interest and the self insert protag are assertive and cool.
>>17252the story, ok, I get how hyping up two different solutions and neither working could bother people. but the characterization? mr. satan and fat buu's friendship, along with satan helping save the earth in his own way and everyone coming to terms with normie ignorance + needing charismatic figures to rile them up, is some of the best character writing in the entire manga and shows an effortlessly thoughtful and openminded worldview. normies who didn't get it weren't really bad people, they were just too concerned with their own personal lives, struggles & relationships to be knowledgeable about the protagonists' martial arts passion.
>>17330vegeta went through two big developments; first he realized his selfishness was holding him back, that the ideology scarred into his brain by a lifetime of slavery was wrong. so he sacrificed himself for his family, and yes, even for his lifelong rival. a lesser author would've stopped at cuz "that's what it's all about right, love is the ultimate power". instead he realized that, while goku does care for his loved ones, and that is a part of his power, there's something EVEN STRONGER deep inside of him that makes him the perfect martial artist. it's his focus on constructive fighting over domination, on pushing himself over pushing others down, on having fun seeing his firends and rivals get stronger instead of wanting them eliminated, and on dedicating himself body & soul to what brings him true joy. this is why Toriyama acknowledges Goku as a very flawed character, even saying there's some "poison" in his being, yet still ended the manga saying "approach your life the way Goku does".
that is the real core of dragon ball and why skilled athletes like Carlos Newton love it so much.
>>17331Gurren was… I dunno if peak Imaishi cuz I like him as a director more when he goes super cartoony like Dead Leaves and RE: Cutie Honey ep 1, but definitely peak Nakashima. very similar to Dragon Ball in fact, in that it's a "make shit up as you go along" story still strongly held together by its core ideas, albeit a more academic literary approach to it (he is a playwright after all) since he's def more "high brow" than Toriyama whose stuff is more "smart dumb guy" (not inherently worse or better, just different)
the themes of "moving forward", individuality, generational struggle and the final message of "past and present coming together to create a path towards the future" are excellently executed with visual metaphors that work best as a cartoon. the writing is amazing and full of "I see what you did there" stuff that layers meanings and lets you feel the joy of figuring out the meaning of every line & every thematic visual. it's the same sort of thing as FLCL or Rintaro's Take the X Train, p much peak anime.
>>17351what about old pre fist of the north star stuff like ashita no joe, black jack, devilman etc
>>17350stock /m/ take w zero analytical ability beyond the surface level
>>17389>Russian dub version Sonic X got a Russian dub? Now I'm curious, where did you find it?
>Jap English SubUnfortunately, N*tflix only has seasons 1 and 2 available, so I couldn't see season 3 with the Japanese dub -_-
Anyways, I agree with you. It's a pretty fun series
one of my personal favorites/guilty pleasures I have to admit. I personally don't mind the human characters at all and TBF I don't think they deserve the hate they get online. In fact, I'd say some are pretty memorable if you enjoyed it, like Topaz (the Special Forces gril). I think there are some things that could've had a better execution, however. Also, I think it's pretty crazy how they decided to turn season 3 into a space adventure, but I really liked it.
I'd even go as far as to say it's one of the most memorable pieces of Sonic media, so I guess here's my hot take? >>17415>Sonic X got a Russian dub? Now I'm curious, where did you find it https://onlinemultfilmy.ru/sonik-iks-sonic-x/#t:-s:1-e:18 >N*tflix Just use adblockers and kissanime.com.ru for English subs and dubs. They have most anime there in decent 720p and sometimes 1080p
>Topaz (the Special Forces gril Yeah, the dynamic with rouge is hilarious
>some things that could've had a better execution True, but it's a cheap saturday morning cartoon from the 90s, so it fits the bill
> think it's pretty crazy how they decided to turn season 3 into a space adventure Yeah it got fun and strange in the coolest ways.
like many ITT I hate the One Piss anime. But I don't just hate it, I fucking HATE it, I fucking HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE it!!!!!!!!!!! the anime started pretty great IMO, & it had some pretty magical moments where I cried because i'm a bitch boy, but then it starts getting really, really bad veeeeeeery slowly so u don't even notice it getting so awful. I watched 800 (EIGHT HUNDRED (!!!!!!!!!!)) fucking episodes of this CRAP, because the quality was getting awful so slowly that I took a long time to notice how awful it was getting. Currently One Piece is so fucking bad that it's UNWATCHABLE:
–30%, maybe 40% of each episode is a bunch of nothing: intros, outros, briefings etc
–50% of the anime is characters running from one place to another while nothing happens;
–You can't escape the filler, because every episode feels like it's being stretched veeeery thin;
–the WORST fucking animation you'll EVER see, I'm not kidding;
–really, really lazy and cringe comedy, with characters having their "funny gags" that they repeat over, and over, and over, and over, and it's not even funny the first time
–0 stakes. Good guy characters will only die literally every 500 episodes or more
–awful character design: characters that Oda want to look sexy look extremely uncanny
–countless other issues that I can't remember in the moment
I really hope that at one point someone makes a good cut of the entire One Piss anime. It needs like at least 60% of it to be removed to make it watchable. If you watch a random modern One Piece episode, you'll be unable to believe how AWFUL it is
>>17470 I don't have this much at stake but yeah you're almost entirely correct here. The One Piece thread mentions these issues (primarily Post-Time-Skip a couple times too.
Honestly the entire decline of One Piece can be correlated to the size of Nami's bust - the larger it got, the shittier the anime (and manga to an extent).
>I really hope that at one point someone makes a good cut of the entire One Piss anime. Yeah like a One Piece Abridged (a real one and not the low effort shit currently on Youtube, something literally Team 4 Star or SomethingWittyEntertainment level of editing.
>>17470but does this spreading thin stuff critique extend to the manga as well? Because there's so many issues
>>17502what's the one piece abridged up on youtube rn and why is it bad
>>17503 So for the newbies here, back in the 2000s/early 2010s alongside stuff like AMVs and Fanime there existed Abridgements; Abridged versions of popular anime series, mostly choppily edited, full of memes and poor voice acting and often childishly excessive swearing. A major point of abridgement is to cut down episode length and shorten stuff. Among these are several attempts to make a One Piece Abridged series that are honestly pretty shit. Then came Dragon Ball Z: Abridged, a series started by some Dragon Ball fans started in the same vein but that developed into an unironic shortened and improved version of the original Dragon Ball Z anime up until the end of the Cell Saga. The same group also did Hellsing abridged. These ended a couple years ago. Some time during DBZ:A's production a channel called SomethingWittyEntertainment, also started by a group of anime-loving friends began the project Sword Art Online: Abridged, taking the original Season 1 of SAO and improving the characterizations in satirical manner. All this happened organically, not a a deliberate attempt to improve the story, but simply to have fun.
Just look them up and you'll find them, I dare say you'll enjoy them.
>>17503>does this spreading thin stuff critique extend to the manga as wellNTA but yes it does, though it takes the manga longer to do so and it's not as bad as the anime, though it's pretty sucky too at this point.
>>1993hot take: moeblobs aren't as bad as people make them sound, there's lots of high school girl sol gems and there were never as many horrible generic cgdct shows as any cancer trope you can think of (like isekai or harem)
the entire reason why people hate them is because they were popular and contrarians don't like looking at cute things because they're rotten inside
>>17515>here were never as many horrible generic cgdct shows as any cancer trope you can think of (like isekai or harem)<implying they're not linked<implying that the shittiest harem and isekai aren't moe-shit. I could literally look up the moe-shit genre on any catalogue and there is probably going to be more of them than isekai (an impressive feat in itself, and a large number of isekai today are also moe-blob SoL shit under a guise. All of that shit could get the axe and the world'd only benefit from it.
>he entire reason why people hate them is because they were popular and contrarians don't like looking at cute things because they're rotten insideNo. People hate them for being lazy, vapid mass-generated shit like the majority of modern anime today. And "muh cute" gets tiresome, especially since there is little to no substance past that, or if it even harms the narrative and tone of a story. If anything people that obsessively defend cgdct shit are often more rotten inside than the critics, because for them it is their life-line, their escape from "the ugly RL" Literally pic rel tier.
>>17520You ain't missing much
They all devolved into the same 3 things
Character is an asshole
Loud yelling = funny
Or just constant references/bits taken from adult swim or archer
Even the ones people think are the best TFS and the SAO one suffers from those things i listed as well
>>17529That humor was the norm for 2012 and before, which obviously is seen as cringe because our humor developed. If the series were allowed to
live and not just taken down, then the standards would've gone up. Ytps for example got better over time, (granted they did see oppression).
Also adamwestslapdog, little kuribohs abridged series, and yugioh-gx hold up without doing anything you said – (well maybe the asshole character).
>>17540>That humor was the norm for 2012 and beforeSomething I saw a lot on the early internet was that a lot of the humor was stolen from The Simpsons. Early 2000s, it was still a huge cultural force, and most of the people actively making stuff on the internet had at least seen it, especially if they were artists, animators, whatever. Sometimes it was lines cribbed word for word, or scenes copied directly, or even just references to this or that funny Simpsons joke. Later on, the Simpsons were replaced by Family Guy, Adult Swim, etc.
But anyway, the point being that for a lot of these people that maybe knew how to draw but didn't really know how to be funny, copying the Simpsons was just the start. Sure, a lot of people probably never got past the copy-stage, but the copy-stage is an integral stage for learning anything. Ideally the people trying to master skills, you know, like comedy, move beyond the copying stage of learning, but stuff made within that category is still completely valid.
> little kuribohs abridged seriesCan't spell ONGOING woutout OG
>>2154>moe slice of life is pedophiliaahh, you people never cease to amaze me.
>>1994this. Alot of fighting shonem shows are just bloodlust fests with meaningless plot lines and grunts.
The only good thing about them are the cool graphics.
>>19180My bad, I guess my hot take is I agree with what the poster above is saying
>>2154 that a lot of "moe" just seems to be softcore pedophillic porn like this:
>>19181 >>19188so you can have an echo-chamber about how moral you and your neurothic typed are by opposing the degenerate arts ?.
you already have twitter for that and heaps of idiots there wanting all art to be wholesome to join in the choir, why Leftypol should be the same ?.
>>19211Oh yea, youre right I did miss an anime.
What would be the fifth most popular shonen anime in terms of endless violence?
>>19220>>19219why else do weeaboos sometimes get into moe and slice of life?
As for me, when it comes to anime, I read the manga. Its way better.
Even as a kid, I sometimes couldnt handle anime because of the social cues being so awkward.
The plot was ok amd the characters were good lookimg amd had virtues though.
But, I think the anti-moe stance from "hardcore" anime fams is because again, people are fomd of shonen/isekai violence.
Id rathermuch read the fanfiction of shonen than watch the animes.
>>19220Its not just shonen. Western action/adventure movies are also guilty.
Look at Michael Bays' Transformers series, or Fast & Furious.
I do like me some action adventure movies on occasion, but not on a frequemt basis.
>>8899most japanese kids dont even have a fullfilled life either. Besides, why is it so wrong to have entertainment with main characyers as kids?
Vast majority of entertainment has adult characters doing more or less the same thing.
>>9490>>9686>>9684>I think this is more of a modern generation thing, because back in the day the most daring and 'gross' thing for a guy to be into was some BDSM stuff and even that was mostly just leather and whips. You are so naive. Men of previous generations were way more degenerate its just that it wasmt talked about. Modern generations have wayy less sex so most fetishes are just fictional.
Also, you underestimate the prudishness of women.
GitS isn't Oshii's best movie. it's good, but Angel's Egg, Patlabor 2 and The Sky Crawlers are better. Innocence is more ambitious but the mansion sequence kills the pacing
Miyazaki's a great director who makes wonderful movies but I think he's overhyped in the west simply due to how much his work jives more with western sensibilities re: animation.
Lupin as an animation franchise peaked early with Mamo and Cagliostro. We had the two basic extremes of what the character can be (bugs bunny psychopath vs. lovable scruffy eccentric) done as well as they could be early on and 90% of everything else has just been trying to re-capture that high, apart from a couple of interesting one-offs like The Woman Called Fujiko Mine and Koike's spinoff OVAs
I like the DBZ movies more than the show. Some people give DBZ flack compared to DB for being "too dark," but IMO the problem isn't that it was "dark", it was that it insisted upon its own pathos while dragging on and on. The movies, while aesthetically even darker than the show, have a much more anarchic sense of anything-can-happen which brings a sense of fun back, and the fact that they're not tied to anything let the creative staff go buckwild with weird concepts in some of them. Also some of the fight animation is really nice, like god damn
I like Hosoda, don't love him. I saw Summer Wars and Girl Who Leapt Through Time, I liked them, didn't feel any need to see more of his work. I feel the same way about Makoto Shinkai
End of Evangelion is a great movie but honestly the TV ending said all that needed to be said - and as I get older, the more I like the TV ending. The Rebuilds were poorly planned and Studio Khara needed to have a full story outline down cold before they even thought about making them.
0083 is an underrated Gundam show. Yes, Kou sucks but that's the point. He's the George Costanza of Gundam pilots by design. He's a mediocre pawn of history who fails upward. His dynamic with Gato is meant to be a microcosm of the differences in perspective between the federation and zeon. He's the anti-Amuro and Gato is the anti-Char, they're both losers who at best accomplish nothing and at worst do things that backfire catastrophically, and they spend the entire show being manipulated by political forces outside their control.
Kawajiri's been kind of unjustly forgotten next to other big-name directors. Sure, his stuff doesn't have the thematic weight of a Kon or an Oshii, but his best movies are well-crafted slices of pulpy fun that have a lot of eyecandy, and there's something to be said about a craftsman that can reliably deliver that.
Someone needs to drag Katsuhiro Otomo out of whatever cave he's living him and have him make more anime
Liz and the Blue Bird is a masterpiece and Naoko Yamada has the potential to be the next Takahata
>>192600083 is actually very good. The animation is spectacular and the story is fun and engaging, taking you to some great locations like Australia in the shadow of colony wreckage to von Braun City on the moon, all while showcasing some incredible mecha designs in a lead up to a tense and satisfying conclusion. The only thing that doesn't really work for me is the relationship stuff at the end, but that's a pretty minor complaint. I can also get complaints about Kou and Gato which are more or less valid, but they work for the story. IMO if the series was longer and they had more room to breath as characters the problems might not have been as bad.
At least they aren't as bad as Quess.
>>19260>>19262My gundam rankings:
1. 0080 War in the pocket
2. 08th MS Team and 0083 tied
Original series, I need to finish. Kinda too cheesy for me and not really good animation. 08th was cheesy but had the best ground battles in the franchise. Still need to watch any Zeta.
>>20382 If you have to ask, you need to read some of MIses' and Rothbard's quotes on children
>>20380>Issei is an exception and Kasuma has earned my respect after he fucking died of a heart attack.This, some of the only characters I can accept as being such, almost any other character doing that is a fag.
>>20398Well, only if we talk about Freedman. Rothbard and Konkin are voluntaryists, prioritizing the NAP and the natural rights over capitalism. Freedmanites tho… Yeah, I see where you're coming from.
Hoppe seems to be too conservative to tolerate child prostitution (unless he utilizes some mental gymnastics to justify this position) but he would def be someone who'd advocate for child slavery. Unironically. Like, he would unironically say that the children are their parents' property and should know their fucking place. He's a patriarchy shill and a neo-feudalist. He admitted that himself.
>>20432But what if… What if everyone else is right and I understand nothing? But isn't that an appeal to authority? Isn't the so-called "objective quality" just a form of mass brainwashing by the critics so we agree with their opinions all the time? What if the main reason we think of something as good is because others told us it is good so we constantly force ourselves to enjoy things we otherwise wouldn't? Think about how many times our opinions are shaped by those around us.
What if quality is a spook? What if Sword Art Online is actually an underappreciated masterpiece? What if Neo-Yokio is a timeless classic?
>>17256 (me)
>browsing this thread>find my old postI have seen the light. Mystery of Mamo is the best Lupin thing and Porco Rosso is Miyazaki's best
1. Fairy Tail isn't that bad if the seasons are plodded through slowly or by themselves, at least some of them more precisely that is to say.
2. (not technically super anime related) Utagoe, both as social activity and as musical trend, is pretty based, and maybe anime conventions should have Utagoe Kissa someday.
3. Sailor Moon "Stars" (S5) was done quite well, and the quasi-romantic sideplot inside was lightly-subtly exquisitely sentimental even if the premise might've been slightly sketchy.
4. Haz and Rafiq (and their sort arguably were partially correct in their criticism of anime, insofar as to mix anime, with its heavy postmodern undertone, and serious politics unreservedly or unmoderatedly can easily lead to perversion and as they have claimed the super "moeblob" elements are sus, not always obviously, but there's some shit off about those.
5. (not anime but still relevant) (redacted)
6．New AI/ML technology can really be of benefit/help for the animation industry and workers, and expand the capability to produce anime or the similar sort of media more easily to the less sponsored masses.
>>20380This. I hate gynocentrism in media.
even fanart wants to rule 63 msle.characyers but never do the same for female ones.
>>17470>I really hope that at one point someone makes a good cut of the entire One Piss anime.lol not only is there the One Pace fan edit (work in progress) but Netflix is doing One Piece: Brotherhood. chihuahuaposter will get their wish.
Anyway, on topic and related to this post - weekly format is terrible and will reduce even the best source material to slop. And even if it's not, it's makes things take too long. Who wants to watch that many episodes of a show?
>>20399child slavery is only one step away from child prostitution.
"Children should know their place" is jut euohemism for "children are not people". This genetic objectification of children is why kids are prome to abuse.
"Innocence" is a chauvinitic model thats imposed.
>>20398"chilfren are the futire" types are often the biggest sexual/disciplinary predators.
>>25200ah yes. talking about the domestic discrimination against children is "pedophilia".
Even though everybody loves to talk about the vulnerability of women, elderly, disabled, and transhumanists.
>>25217What about old characters?
I dont mean middle aged, but elderly?
>>20381this.
Awkward-edgy humor is the blight of postboomer humor
>>1995Battle shonen is based. Battle shonen
anime fucking sucks. But that's due to the anime not being able to keep up with the manga due to the weekly manga format. Even One Punch Man, a seinen, suffers from this (its source material is a webcomic remake published in Weekly Young Jump). A lot of manga is superior to anime, simple as (that's my hot take).
>>26060A political hot take drawn in an anime style is not an anime hot take.
>>26170>A lot of manga is superior to anime, simple as Comparing two different mediums is always going to be disingenuous. Manga doesn't have to worry about a bunch of things like choreography, voice acting, sound direction, and well, animation of course.
This frees mangakas so they can spend their full working time in pursuit of drawing cool static pictures and developing their pet plots with hardly any opposition to their hot ideas, which I'm assuming is what you're interested in the most when it comes to consooming chinese cartoons.
That been said, it's absurd how sloptastic most anime is in comparison to manga, which gets even more ridiculous when you realize that the barrier of entry for making and publishing manga is on the fucking basement compared to the barrier for making and broadcasting anime.
But given this is a communist site, then I'm preaching to the choir here, we all know why it is the way it is **right?…*
>>1993Kyoto Animation (Kyoani was way better when they were a branch of kadokawa and other companies than on their own.
They went from Munto FMP, Haruhi,the Key adaptation trilogy, to mediocre (imo) stuff like Violet Evergarden,Kyoukai no Kanata, and hibike.
There was a few saving graces (Like chunnibyou) but (again imo) it was not worth terminating the shared contract.
Fujoshi are based, and I’m tired of pretending they’re not.
People don’t want to admit that fujoshi are the backbone of the otaku industry in modern times.
They support plenty of obscure seinen, shounen manga, and OG anime that no waifufags or normies fucking care about.
I’m still grateful for fujostacies because they support my obscure seinen series.
Their existence alone makes waifufags, normies, yurifags, chuds, and wokies seethe, all while they’re minding their own business and jerking off to yaoi. Fucking power move, ngl.
I’ll take Fujoshi over waifufags/NuOtakus any day, because at least Fujoshi CAN support better series.
Here’s hoping fujoGODS dominate the industry in the next decade.
Also most modern western “fujos” are trash and not tru fujos. These retards don’t even know what doujinshi is and have never spent a dime, while appropriating fujoshi culture. disgusting desu
The based western fujoshi are the ones who were former Hetaliafags, Kuroshitsuji fujos, or old-school anime fans. they're actually understand & familiar w/ otaku culture.
Everyday I pray for the day Fujos won the cultural victory, Amen.
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