>Watch youjo senki movie
>Tanja blows up the palace of the soviets
>>797Damn really? Cucks.
>>798It's funny to see Tanya constantly fuck herself over by being too edgy
>>799The series wasn't anti communist
>>798>>799>>802The author isn't anti-commie. He actually calls himself a commie hobbyist or something that I think basically means Soviet LARPer rather than an actual communist. His novel, Yakusoku no Kuni, is actually about communist stuff.
The main character in Youjo Senki is depicted as an evil free-market sociopath. She isn't at all the good guy in the story. I think the anime makes her seem more likeable than the book.
Has anyone read the recent manga about Soviet Women in WW-2? I want to know if its worth a read.
Its called “The Unwomanly Face of War Vol. 1” by Kadokawa Corp. The name is a clear reference to the Nobel winning Search Results
Web results The Unwomanly Face of War by Svetlana Alexievich, which details excerpts from many female soldiers of the war.
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13353361>>2436I never watch the anime but from what I heard it's dramatically different from the light novels and manga. Tanya in the manga is basically a social inept fool that constantly get himself into worse situations.
An example would be Tanya say x thing hoping to be taken off the battlefield and put on desk duty. The higher ups thinks
>THIS GIRL IS OVERFLOWING WITH PATRIOTIC DUTY!<THIS GIRL IS OVERFLOWING WITH PSYCHOPATHIC BLOODLUST!
"WE MUST GET HER TO THE FRONTLINES IMMEDIATELY!
>>3885>implyng Isekai can't be mature and interesting<not understanding that Isekai is a reflection of human alienation and depression under capitalism
Come on now
>>3931Wrong. In 90% of garbage Isekai anime, removing the Isekai portion would do little to change the plot, while in the best Isekai, it is inherently required and cannot be simply replaced with a set-up beginning motivation a la the start of Bleach.
The point of an Isekai is that a character is displaced from their own world and thus their interactions with the new world differ to the native inhabitants. It creates an interesting diversion from the path of the world. Even Subaru, weakass that he is, changes the path of his world with relatively simple changes. If there are no stakes or important changes we lose the point of the entire Isekai, and it becomes a bland power-fantasy. Bland power fantasies can be fun escapism, but in the longrun are tiresome.
SAO abridged for example, does something interesting. While the world is digital and essentially fake, the characters themselves are important and their displaced situation. Kirito, who is a loser IRL, gets to be his 'dream self' in the game, but the reality is that no-matter how many swordskills he has, his social skills and understanding had to change for things to matter. He had a long and varied character arc of him reaching conclusions or almost getting it, only to have it taken away again and again until he finally reached it in a climactic battle. he then continued developing this newly found conclusion, on slow burn and realistic takes of teenage drama (played humorously). By the final battle, he put aside his own desire to remain awesome in the game and freed SAO's players from the game and it's fake life. The original SAO never quite gets this unfortunately.
>>3930>sagingthis is getting boring
>>3940I agree that for the good isekai that removing the isekai from the series would actually hurt it. I think for the shittier anime they might actually improve going the standard fantasy route. At least they are less likely to have been greenlit as it appears standards are non-existent so long as a series is isekai.
It amazes me how much better SAO Abridged was than the actual anime.
>>4824https://boards.4channel.org/a/thread/211994886 >commies are wasteful<weebs calling communists wasteful
Hahaha
>>4824Now this feels out of character. What the fuck?
Since when did she even care about the deaths of other humans?
>>4830I have no idea why there is s age in this post, I don't remember typing that s*ge in.
>>4831>>4833Pretty much
>>4824reposting from /b/
you can still watch the anime on china for some reason…
>>4983As are you.
>>4981Nah, just that they're revisionist
Clearly everything that isn't exactly praise of glorious communism and the thought of Xi should be banned.
>>4878This "China banned X" bullshit is the new "KIM JONG UN VORED HIS UNCLES WITH THE DRAGON DILDO WHILE DABBING" baitj. There's nothing preventing people from streaming most anime legally or CalArts degeneracy alongside the "Das Kapital" game shows, if anything the Japanese are more willing to licence to the Chinese than the usual overseas companies.
>>5027>nothing preventing people from streaming most anime legallyAgreed
>or CalArts degeneracyFuck that, even garbage anime doesn't fall that far.
Tanya is a masochistic, stupid gormless faggot wallowing in her own self-pity at being 'persecuted' by Being X (God) while being simultaneously smug and OP. A literal wehraboo Self-Insert who even created loophole documents just for a justification of her literal war crimes.
Her only way out is for her to die, denying being X and either be reborn again or have her soul erased, because there is no other way of ending the series without it being unsatisfactory. Think about the possible endings
>Tanya starts worshiping GodThat would be very unsatisfying, with the protagonist just rolling over.
>Being X is exposed as some kind of fraudDidn't the manga flat-out confirm we're dealing with capital G God here (and Buddha is also around for some reason)?
>Open ending in which the conflict persistsGee, thanks for wasting our time.
>Sonzai X losesOkay… how exactly? What exactly can Tanya even do?
>>801A funny as this is, the author isn't a real commie. If anything Carlo seems to hate the USSR just as much as Tanya does. Why else would you have Beria as the only historical character to be in both the OTL and Tanya's timeline? And furthermore, there was no alt!Zhukov in sight, so not only is the most prominent communist in the series a pedophile who puts getting that sweet duck butt over the lives of his men and the outcome of the war; but there are no positive examples of not!Soviets who could actually give Tanya serious problems. The fact is that Carlo's ideology is post-ideology. The entire thesis of Youjo Senki is that average modern day office worker is more of a monster than the average general on a World War battle field; purely because we readily act without morals or principles while using ideology and hierarchy to justify it -something only top level Nazis tried during Nuremberg as a last resort. But now that's just what any modern individual would do. We just don't genocide undesirables openly anymore, because that'd mean we'd have to let the mask slip a little.
The recent movie is not a satire and the manga actually has nearly open nazi imagery rather than generic German aesthetic the anime does. It's shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3A0HsRWJk8&ab_channel=Taganay>>8907The pedoshit is in the series, he's literally a slavering lolicon in the anime and manga. I know he wasn't actually a pedo.
>>8908Eh, it's fun to shit on.
>>8937There is only so much "ironic" you can make something before it becomes unironic. Tanya doesn't really suffer except some symbolic garbage that Being X does, Tanya is overpowered as fuck, has Mary-Sue plot armor and pulls off ridiculous "combat" that can be summarized as "aggressive suicide" that somehow works without any losses. It's a Wehraboo Weeb's wetdream Self-insert WW2 fanfic.
>>8939Yep, probably one of the most retardedly disturbing things of the movie.
>>795>Tanja blows up the palace of the soviets<"Hurr they should'a built it better, durr"I find it hilarious how they use Russian Federation and Soviet Union interchangeably. That's not even talking about the USSR being given the Dora mega-cannon.
Seriously, whoever made this was not just throwing together aesthetic, they paid close attention to what they were alluding to
>Tanya: Looks like their "People's Palace" was more fragile than it looked. Guess they shouldn't have rushed the construction so much.>Viktoriya: Looks like they shouldn't have rationed the concrete so much.This is contrasted with how the Kremlin equivalent is barely dented by the magical volleys. You know, pre-revolution stuff, implying that "muh Russian Empire good" shite, which is fucking ironic coming from the Japanese.
Honestly the entire film - from it having the USSR be the aggressor to the meme poor air defense - was a giant cope by wehraboos making a fake, fetishized alternate universe where the shining Germany beat le evul gommies, down to the scene where the German Iron cross flag and Eagle was held over a Soviet building, in parody of the iconic raising of the Soviet Flag on the Reichstag as a symbol of triumph over the Nazis, y'know pic related.
And out of everything this is exactly why this show is popular - because most weebs are also /pol/-faggots who rant about communism in the same dogmatic propaganda view Example:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/207924515/Also I hate Tanya's retarded face. It's the smug look of a 80 autism score faggot who thinks they're smarter than they are. The only reason it works out is plot contrivance and Mary Sue superpowers handed to her on a silver platter.
>The Confederation of Socialist Republics Hiltria. With the slogan together in a brotherly love 5 republics and 5 ethnicities manage to coexist with difficulty. Coming from the future, David Ernst will rise in fame with his comrades as a Hero of the Confederation. Searching for the right answer between Self determinism and Socialism, to lead his country toward the right future.-
https://myanimelist.net/manga/87945/Yakusoku_no_KuniNazis loved the show, and then got ass-blasted that it was actually a leftist satire. They got so caught up in the LARP, they missed the brazenly obvious critique of the militant fascistic capitalism of the show.
The author called himself a 共産趣味, Literal translation would be something like "hobbyist communism".
Here's the Wikipedia article about it:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%B1%E7%94%A3%E8%B6%A3%E5%91%B3共産趣味 (Kyousan-shumi) is just a play on words from 共産主義 (Kyousan-shugi = Communism) since shumi and shugi sound similar. It's just an obsession with communist (and especially ☭TANKIE☭) aesthetic, nothing more. Most of them don't believe in communism, some of them have actual sympathies, some others are plainly anti-communist.
Carlo Zen is more of a radical centrist, maybe leaning liberal as he's big on democracy.
However in the author's case here I'd say he really is a commie, as his tweets show. (reposting links here)
https://twitter.com/sonzaix/status/797443693619789824 Communism and democracy happen naturally.
https://twitter.com/sonzaix/status/831521445528293376 Capitalism is poisoning your minds.
https://ask.fm/sonzaix/answers/136064941724 Comrade, I'm a faithful follower of hobbyist communism.
Original desu thread link:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/165413269So does anyone want to do a more in-depth break down of the show?
I'll start by re-posting.
If you actually look at Tanya, she's presented as a horrible person and a fascistic capitalist who wants to show the world Chicago School Economics. The author is directly trying to show how sociopathic bosses are terrible people and would become mass murderers in a heartbeat if given the power.
Right wingers don't see this since they want to self insert themselves as the 30 year old who gets isekaied into a loli Hitler.
>>809The fact that even Nitter is laughing at this is indicative of the pathetic status of modern 4chan.
https://twitter.com/TakesRight/status/1160849611218653184 >>11053Takeshi Kitano recently said he's gonna vote for the JCP, does that count? In Japan is better to not express political opinions if you aren't a LDP lapdog.
For example, last year, the famous mangaka Naoki Urasawa posted on twitter a doodle he made of Abe wearing a mask in reference to the two masks the government sent to everyone and got lynched for being "disrespectful". There were also people who supported him of course, but IIRC he was forced to take it down.
>>11056better than nothing
respectful sage, I forgot I made this post until now
>>809what the fuck happened to /a/ holy shit
nothing but fashies whining about communism
its also telling that despite having more explicit pictures posted than ever theres also a huge increase in accusations of degeneracy
i miss the old times when liking futa or weird shit in general was accepted and even expected, now its nothing but normals
>>3884this baldie is based as fuck despite being a huge larper
>anarchist fascist>>804is it not? while gate pretends japan never committed war crimes this work literally made the nazis win over the soviets and presented that as a good thing
>>13104>the old times when liking futa or weird shit in general was accepted and even expected, now its nothing but normalsOk n00b, futa and trap content got popular on 4chan in the late 2000s and mid 2010s, it was present in weeb circles before that but not as widely accepted, until crap like Stainless Night came out.
Futa and trap became the norm on /a/ and 4chan in general and continues to be so, they're just hypocrites about it on most boards.
>>13108Lmao what do people get out of acting like this?
>they're just hypocrites about it on most boardsIt's what happens with the whole "my tastes > your tastes" behavior that the entirety of 4chan has cultivated, or rather, grew like an infection, which you yourself are exhibiting. Now they call everyone else a degen while having a bunch of fetishes themselves. Alternatively, calling them gay.
The irrational hatred against trans people is also peculiar when around 2005-2006 it was a common desire to become an anime girl, or "the little girl".
>>13110>im glad im not this insecureDo I need to add /s to my posts to avoid confusion anymore? Is the blatant tone of it not obvious enough?
>>13115>you yourself are exhibitingFucking how? I've made no judgement here or there on the good or bad of futa, I just stated the dynamics of the time and confirmed the point of the other anon alongside blatant sarcasm.
>around 2005-2006 it was a common desire to become an anime girBecause most of the people that sought that had not been trans, but people that crossdressed and kept it cool, they mostly separated fiction and reality, those that did not had been mocked since forever and the behavior of vocal trans minorities on chans presented a poor image of the overall group that fed the notion of delusional people that took fictional LARP too far, annoying everyone else and leading to dislike that /pol/ capitalized on.
>>13119>Because most of the people that sought that had not been trans, but people that crossdressed and kept it cool, they mostly separated fiction and reality, those that did not had been mocked since forever and the behavior of vocal trans minorities on chans presented a poor image of the overall group that fed the notion of delusional people that took fictional LARP too far, annoying everyone else and leading to dislike that /pol/ capitalized on.nah, there's a lot of transhumanists on 4chan, particularily from places such as /a/, /r9k/ and /jp/. they did actually want to be the little girl, and while they were in the minority, they didn't piss off most people until the transhumanist culture wars and the rightward shift of the website caused by stormfags came along.
not that i'm an oldfag or anything, but my opinion is based on browsing the archives and talking to oldfags and newfags alike. there's still threads on /a/ from time to time where anons cry over not being born anime girls, though a lot of the time they're silenced by /pol/yps or saying they'll never be women. it's pretty sad
>>152811) link to the post you are responding to
2) Ok, nobody is denying that
>>15282So you get to fuck a middle-aged midget
and a fascist at the same time?
So I've never seen the show apart from a few clips, but the concept of a viciously anti-communist loli anime entrigued me so much that I had to look into it. I didn't watch the or read the LN (though I think ill do the latter aftet this), but I read a bunch of plot summaries, looked into some discussions on forums and such. From what I can tell, the LN is a lot less cartoonishly anti-communist than the show comes off as. Part of that is the technical limitations of the medium (a lot of Tanya's internal monologue and character development are cut for time), part of it is pandering to weebs with le based explosion loli shit. Part of it is just where the movie leaves off (iirc volume 4 of the LN). It seems like without these elements, a lot of the point of the LN is lost. Idk about Carlo Zen being an actual socialist of any sort, but it's immediately obvious from his book about trying to prevent the collapse of not-Yugoslavia that his views on communism are fairly nuanced. At worst it seems like he has somewhat of a normie view of the USSR in WW2 which goes something like this:
>Stalin purges all his generals because he's paranoid and/or bloodthirsty
>Soviet army is poorly led and inept at the start of the war as a result, human waves, overly centralized command, etc
>Soviets learn from their mistakes and gradually fix them, becoming more effective as the war goes on
The parallel to this in the Youjo Senki is that the not-Soviets have gulaged all their mages because they had all been high ranking officers in the Tsarist army, which is why they get BTFO so hard in the film. However the story continues for like 10 or 11 volumes after that, and in keeping with Zen's normie view of Soviet military history they eventually get their shit together by releasing the imprisoned mages and putting them back into service, and also resuming training of new ones.
Another thing that's apparently lost in the anime is how self-destructive Tanya's psychopathy is, which is in turn linked to her Ayn Rand tier worldviews. For example there are numerous examples in the LN where her excessive violence leads to more fanatical resistance and actually makes things harder for the Empire. With the not-Soviets for example, the attack on not-Moscow basically destroys any chance of negotiations which eventually leads to the defeat of the Empire. Finally there's the issue of Tanya herself, and how it's made much more clear in the LN how she's absolutely miserable and is desperately trying to get removed from front line service.
I think that Youjo Senki may suffer from a kind of reverse Starship Troopers situation, where an unironically fascist novel is made into an anti-fascist film. Here it seems like the opposite, where the limitations of the medium and the fact that it ends where it does in the storyline obscures a lot of elements which point to criticism of fascism and market fundamentalist ideology. The result is that it's really easy for fascists to watch it and love it, simply because so many of the critical elements of the LN are missing from the anime.
TLDR: Zen is not a fanatical anti-communist, the not-Soviets are only shown as being so incompetent at the beginning of the war and get their shit together later and eventually win the war, Tanya isn't le based loli Hitler but is completely miserable and her psychopathic worldview is self-destructive and counter-productive to the government she serves.
>>20883Based effortpost anon.
>>20887 I get that, it was just funny to note and /a/ went nuts over it.
>>21096It used to be a 4chan x reddit lite site that was fairly popular among school kids because it was accessible unlike 4chan which was blocked by a lot of school DNS's. It lost a lot of users over time as the forum closed itself to anonymous users and is kinda just a relic of a different time on the internet. There was even a version of leftypol on it at one time.
I just saved pic rel a long while back.
>>8880>Why else would you have Beria as the only historical character to be in both the OTL and Tanya's timeline? And furthermore, there was no alt!Zhukov in sight, so not only is the most prominent communist in the series a pedophile who puts getting that sweet duck butt over the lives of his men and the outcome of the war; but there are no positive examples of not!Soviets who could actually give Tanya serious problems. Tbh I think again that this is an issue of the adaptation rather than the source material. In the LN there are communist characters that are portrayed positively, and the Russy army does get its shit together and actually become formidable, eventually winning the war. Iirc they do have a general that is an analogy for Zhukov, but he doesn't appear until several volumes after the film ends. As for Beria, I think his purpose is more as a plot device to further criticize what Tanya embodies. He only becomes aware of her because she goes out of her way to publicize the attack. So in other words, in addition to destroying any chance of peace and ultimately dooming the Empire, Tanya's hubris makes herself a specific target. The whole thing is ultimately self-destructive. The issue of course is that Zen is making this point through the use of common myths about the USSR, but the point itself is to criticize Tanya's ruthlessness and pride rather than to show how evil communists are. Whether that was the intention in the adaptation is unclear. We'll have to wait for season two which should cover the next few volumes, which do include victories for the communists.
Also worth noting that for all her OP abilities, Tanya is less powerful than Mary Sioux precisely because she doesn't actually believe in God, has no empathy, etc.
>>22974> are they still simping for this smug-faced mary sue child Yes, though far less frequently now that the isekai popularity trend has cooled down. Honestly I think
>>801 still haunts them to this day, because some of them keep bringing it up - literally rent-free. Just for a giggle I reposted that screencap in one thread about 2 years back and just watched the butthurt unfold. It was glorious. As a side note, I've noticed a lot of fans of Tanya are also fans of AoT, Coincidence? I think not.
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