Hm, wasn't there already a Vexillology thread on /hobby/? Maybe it could be moved here
I am making an anarchist Poland concept >>1514
If you want you can make a better one because I couldn't think of a perfect anarchist Polish flag
So I modified the Polish Congress flag and added some anarchist/socialist symbolism
This is the flag Daniel Shay flew right?
There's also the Bucks of America flag, which was originally designed to honor black patriots who fought in the Revolutionary War. I thought this was interesting because it offers a template similar to the, "let's put socialist heraldry on everything" kind of designs that left-wing vexillologists love to make so much. This led me down another rabbit hole:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_armorial_of_U.S._states_from_1876https://archive.org/details/statearmsofunion00lpra
I stumbled upon this book published in 1876 titled, "State Arms of the Union"—it contains high quality reproductions of US state coat of arms. Another thing that surprised me is that we used to have these. Some of the symbolism used in them can actually be found in our contemporary state seals; hell, some have barely changed at all (as is the case with Missouri)!
But what I found really
interesting about these coat of arms is just how many used picture frames in their designs; I haven't looked for examples of this elsewhere yet, but it seems like a uniquely American phenomenon. When we hear 'coat of arms' we usually think of European royalty: shields, crowns, mantles, etc. But here, it's like you're looking through a window into another world, full of opportunity; I feel like I could jump through like it's Mario 64.
Fascinating how in presenting the American Dream imagery it's also representing it as an image. You are not meant to fall in love with the real place or even a mere representation of the place. It is the representation of the representation. As if you are supposed to be aware on a subconscious level of the fictitiousness of the object of fascination. In a similar way to how Americans pledge allegiance to the flag
and the "republic for which it stands
" there is a fixation on worship of representation of something abstract. Not merely a representation nor an abstract idea, but rather specifically a symbolic representation of the abstract ideal. It's a meta-worship, a worship of symoblism itself. The act of representing is ritualized and sanctified. American "civil religion" is the worship of abstraction itself, the idea that a nation can be built on an idea. It is the highest stage of idealism.
>>1676>what a socialist American flag could look like
either a blue canton with blue stars or all red with gold stars
>>1682>The act of representing is ritualized and sanctified. American "civil religion" is the worship of abstraction itself, the idea that a nation can be built on an idea. It is the highest stage of idealism.
Yeah I don't know if it's possible for socialists to adopt this design motif while still holding on to a materialist conception of history. I think it'd be cool if they somehow could though. You see what I mean? >>1685>either a blue canton with blue stars
>>1687>Yeah I don't know if it's possible for socialists to adopt this design motif while still holding on to a materialist conception of history. I think it'd be cool if they somehow could though. You see what I mean?
Make the picture extend beyond the frame, either in front or behind it. That way you are implying that the frame is important but it does not contain what you are representing. In fact, you are now representing the relationship between the thing and its representation and the fact that your representation does not
encapsulate the thing.
Isn't there a typo on that first pic?
So you're saying that I screwed up the flag??
There is no reason to thank me
>The Battalion of Death (Battalion Malatesta) was an Italian anarchist unit during the Spanish Civil War. The battalion was formed by a few hundred Italian anarchist exiles in France. It was organized and funded by Diego Abad de Santillan and commanded by the Italian Camillo Berneri.
>Late March 1937, the battalion made its debut parading through the Paseo de Gracia and the Plaza Catalunya in Barcelona wearing their smart uniforms and brandishing the slogan “without God nor master”. It made quite an impression on the audience.
>They wore black turtleneck jerseys, olive-green uniforms with ammunition belts and a black beret with a skull and a dagger badge. The battalion consisted of both men and women.
You made the flag of the Paris commune
If you want kown more about this ideology
Read this https://archive.org/details/RedneckRevolution>>Credits to the original creator kown as shay
, because this ideology isn't my idea its shay's idea
I'm not a vexillology expert, but I really like this.
Two of the biggest problems I've noticed with vexillology - especially communist vexillology - is a) a constant re-use of past symbols and b) a fetishisation of simplicity. The first point is hard to navigate. Recall that the hammer and sickle was a reflection of the main base of the Bolshevik party, the combination of the peasants and the workers. There are benefits to re-using this symbol (and others), namely upholding and respecting the sacrifices and struggles of the past. However, many other questions arise. What symbols would represent the working class today? How would it reflect their history in the particular area that's being represented by the flag? Does it encapsulate or at least acknowledge other histories, like that of minority or indigenous groups? Is it aesthetically appealing? And so on.
The second point is a problem that can be easily solved by breaking free of a particular mindset that flags, above all, must be simple. So it goes that: "The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory." But why? Do we think so little of children that we do not think that they can't like something that is complex? Do have to reduce ourselves to the design equivalent of baby voice? Of course, simplicity can look good, and it can provide more than adequate symbolism which can encapsulate cultures that have been around for generations. However, it shouldn't be a commandment nor a priority of flag design. Above all, flags should not be simple, but aesthetically appealing. Of course flags can be both, but expanding the category of what a flag must be would do some good.
I already know this because I'm a vexillologist but I do sometimes I break some of the rules just for aesthetics
What is program you guys use to make these?
i'm not him but I use GIMP and/or Inkscape
>>1811>"The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory." But why?
Easier to recognize, reproduce and spread.
Blue canton with white stars
Sorry just remembered I made that post
I used MSpaint :(
look I'm trying to learn Gimp etc., but I'm mostly just talentless so knocking something out in paint is about as far as I can go current.
Thank you for cleaning it up though, looks miuch clearer and tighter.
I've used too many colours perhaps, but it's a crappy fusion of Australia's flag, the eureka, and Aboriginal and PNG schemes.
The problem i reckon is just with the yellow, and I've noticed this with other modifications of the aboriginal flag as well. Its an ugly yellow that clashes with the colours that surround it. Just removing it you can maintain the symbolism while making things more balanced i think.
I cleaned the flag up in InkScape which isn't as intuitive as GIMP but because it's vector based you get cleaner images. I'm talentless as well, the only way I've learnt is by dicking around for a few hours and looking at youtube videos.
There are other Australian flags which might be of use to you if you need some inspo.
Very nice try >>1859>>1861
Looks pretty OK I would give it about a 7 out of 10
Thanks comrade for ur words of encouragement and cool flags :')
>>1864>Looks pretty OK I would give it about a 7 out of 10
Please learn how to use vector graphics software. Inkscape should still be free, right? I've always used pirated copies of Adobe Illustrator.
I should clarify that the other flags I posted are not mine, but are flags found in Australia (historically or otherwise)
First flag: Adnyamathanha flaghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnyamathanha
Second flag: Ngarrindjeri Nation Flaghttps://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/au-ngarr.html
Third flag: Spear flag flown at the Aboriginal tent embassy https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/au-ab.html#72ab
Fourth Flag: Monster meeting flaghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QOMv18ACM
The white should be yellow
Represents the yellow of the indigenous flag.
>>1878>it represents a color on a flag
lmao if you can't describe the symbolism of the yellow in the indigenous Australian flag, it's clearly not important to you.
I like the red earth and bright stars in a black sky. Too much colour just makes it clash.
it clearly represents the sun
the star at the center of the cross could be yellow
I would very well agree
yes. these ones splintered off cuz they didn't like the original PCR-RCP's (now dissolved) line on transphobia and possibly just general internal drama
you can try to decipher it here:https://www.iskra-pcr-rcp.ca/en/2018/07/30/we-are-the-continuators/
(response from central committee)
I like the waves a lot
just saw these on leftistvexillology really like them
Sorry for the month-late reply,>Make the picture extend beyond the frame, either in front or behind it.
I guess that's the key difference between these and their 20th century counterparts. With the Romanian example, an idyllic representation is already being framed (by the wheat, ribbon and star
), not just with a literal picture frame. What if I put tools inside of the frame like some of the more abstract examples I posted here >>1681
— maybe it'd come across as something more GDR-like?
I actually like those flags
It's got a vibe to it, but scares people off
for anyone who gives a shit about r/leftistvexillology, a prominent mod and anarchist unintentionally exposed themselves for essentially collaborating with fascists through working with lib jannies at r/rightistvexilollogy (or whatever the fuck the subs called)>>1921
i made this redesign awhile back that retains all the elements from the ACP logo
hmmm I do like it better
Maybe sickle to the otherside of hammer so it gets the juche vibe
I like it but I admit at first glance I thought the flag was an axe/fasces lmao
One of the mods of r/rightistvexillology frequently posts there; this is unsurprising. Keep in mind that the only reason for r/leftistvexillology's existence is because the mods of r/leftvexillology (the original subreddit) banned all Rojava and Rojava-inspired flags many years ago.
Also I don't like it; if you're gonna put a flag on a flag then it better be in the form of a seal or emblem.
Yeah that's because I did it with vector art. Basically you use functions instead of pixels to draw stuff, but note that the softwares are intuitive, it's basically a complex version of paint: you don't have to input the math because the computer does that for you. What you can do is draw forms, fiddling with their properties trough windows etc. So even though this file is a "rasterized" png it looks clean, and if I could post a .svg file of this you could zoom toward infinity without finding any pixel.
I find this super cool and I think I'm gonna try to do clean symbols for leftypol. The "welcome to leftypol" one would benefit from some polishing.
That's pretty cool fren
wow forster flag is super cool
By the way there's supposed to 7 bars on the other side, because 13; but let's just forget that lol.
why couldn't this be post 1776 lol
anyway a socialist american flag would be Mt Rushmore with. John Brown, Harriet Tubman, Eugene Debs, Fred Hampton
imo don't put people's faces on flags, it's cringe and goes to far into hero worship
I should have said individualism, I suppose
Why is a flag 'post 1776' a necessary precondition for Americans to use it? Hell, there were reproductions of the Bedford flag being flown by maggots on Jan 6. The Forster flag was apparently used in Shay's Rebellion >>1678
but I haven't found much evidence to support that.>>2415
Yeah and plus Mount Rushrmore ought to be destroyed; same goes for the relief on Stone Mountain.
looks very cool
would love to see an english text version
>>2425>would love to see an english text version
I don't know how to do that :(
wtf is this supposed to be
They need to add svg support to this board.
oof I'm just realizing the layers are slightly off in each; before anyone asks I don't remember what the "L" stands for either
kriss vector is absolutely a meme gun but it looks cool
prolly lesbian army faction or something
Fucking sad if true
These are so beautiful
I really like this one.
why are you crying anon
why wouldn't he cry
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