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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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Reading group for Volume 1 of Capital. The reading pace will adjust to suit the group, but we will aim for an average of 1 chapter per week, starting slower and speeding up as we move from abstract to concrete toward the end.

The Book
The version we are using as our standard is the Penguin Classics edition (attached .epub) but others including other languages are fine. We are only planning to read Volume 1 currently.
There has also been an audiobook suggested which matches this version of the text and may be useful to helping read it.
Audiobook: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUjbFtkcDBlSHVigHHx_wjaeWmDN2W-h8

The Format
This thread is intended for
<announcements and updates
<supplementary material.
<long-form posts, effortposts, OC
<slower discussion in general
The matrix chat is intended for
<weekly discussion meetings.
<organizing the group
<faster paced talk
<also will get announcement and update posts
Voice chat sessions are to be weekly, with 3 "official" time slots to make it easier for people to attend one of them (they will all be discussing the same part of the reading, give or take). The matrix call room can also be opened for chats at other times if people find other times to talk. I have attached a picture of a table showing in the times in a few common time zones. Chats will go on as long as people want them to, but I will shoot for 1 hour and try to constrain the main discussion within that as much as possible.

Weekly discussions will cover as much of the reading as people have done, slowing or speeding up accordingly. This is a large group as far as /leftypol/ reading groups go and my intent is to make the process accessible so we will tend toward the slowest readers setting the pace. Discussing pace or or other organizing matters should be done in the Matrix chat to avoid cluttering this thread. Announcements will still go here, including announcing the current stage of reading when we move on to the next chapter.

I'm disinclined to set goals at this point but may update later with a projection for how long until we finish Volume 1. I would estimate it will take at least half of 2023.

Matrix room
I will get notifications for any post in the room automatically but you can make them more attention grabbing if you tag me with my handle @bossignostic


Additionally, there have been several supplements already suggested as reading either before or alongside Capital Volume 1.
This post contains a list of links/files to these.
Feel free to add more.

Harvey 🤢 (recommended against)

Heinrich: "How To Read Marx's Capital"

Althusser: "Preface to Capital" (ignore suggested reading order)

Bordiga (Spanish): "Elementos Economia Marxista"

Cleaver: "Reading Capital Politically" (chapter 1 breakdown and historical context)

Cafiero: "A Compendium of Das Kapital" (Marx's personal recommendation)


Bordiga's one is actually in spanish.
The times are tough for me, unfortunately. Some are impossible. I'll monitor the chat and see what it finally lands on.


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Oh, I didn't check when I was told because I don't speak Italian, pero es asi. Pienso que hay más usuarios que pueden leer español que italiana. Preguntaré a los mods a cambiarlo.


changed ;)


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Don't worry about it. The whole point of reading as a group is so that we can collaboratively fill in each others' understanding.


whoops fixed link >>>/leftypol/1335135


Question for discussion/review: what are the differences between:
<use-value vs exchange-value
<concrete labor vs abstract labor
How are these distinctions related, and how are the distinguished concepts related and/or separated?


Add Paul Mattick's study course to that list. It and Harry Cleaver were indispensable when we had the old Bunkerchan Capital reading group in 2020.




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Marxists dot org study guide for Capital Volume 1


We have covered the first two sections of Chapter 1 and move on to Chapter 1 section 3 for week 2.
The scheduled meetings are as follows:
<Wed Jan 25th @ 11pm UTC
<Fri/Sat Jan 27/28th @ 1am UTC
<Sat Jan 28th @ 7pm UTC

There is actually a study guide on marxists.org for Capital!
These include study questions and links to the glossary for important terms.
For the next meeting, try to have an answer these study questions and bring any questions of your own about section 3.

>1. Why is Marx bothering to take all this time going back to barter in tribal times?

>2. What does this chapter say about the prospect of getting away from capitalism by going back to barter and local exchange systems?
>3. Why did gold come to be used as money?
>4. It is a long time since paper money replaced gold in day-to-day commerce. Why has this happened? Does it make nonsense of Marx’s idea of money as set out in this chapter?
>5. What do Marx’s remarks about Aristotle in this chapter tell us about capitalism and Equality? And what does this mean in the context of “globalisation”?


“In both these cases, the spinner puts the same
quantity of labour into a pound of cotton, and therefore adds as much value, as
he did before the change in the value: he also produces a given weight of yarn
in the same time as he did before. Nevertheless, the value that he transfers
from the cotton to the yarn is either one-sixth of what it was before the
variation, or, as the case may be, six times as much as before. The same result
occurs when the value of the instruments of labour rises or falls, while their
useful efficacy in the process remains unaltered.”

If I understand this correctly, this is Marx making a separation of use-value and exchange-value?


“Whether the value of cotton rise from one shilling to two shillings, or
fall to sixpence, the workman invariably preserves in the product of one hour
only one half as much value as he preserves in two hours. In like manner, if
the productiveness of his own labour varies by rising or falling, he will in
one hour spin either more or less cotton, as the case may be, than he did
before, and will consequently preserve in the product of one hour, more or less
value of cotton; but, all the same, he will preserve by two hours’ labour twice
as much value as he will by one.”

This one I don't understand. Is this one talking about the limits of productivity or something like that?


Use-value doesn't factor in here beyond the fact that the commodity produced is a use-value by definition. Marx's point in this section is that the value transferred by the worker through labor fluctuates according to productivity + changes in the exchange value of the commodity (for instance due to productivity changes in other capitals that produce the same commodity). His explanation here is meant to resolve the apparent paradox that a worker can somehow transfer less value to a commodity even while his productivity stays constant.


Given a certain productivity the worker will always transfer more value in two hours of work as opposed to one.


>/leftypol/ has been reading Capital vol. 1, chapter 1 for over 7 years now



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>this thread only has 20 replies


Quality > quantity. This board is pretty dead too, it has some good quality posts though.


I'm onto volume 2 and there's nobody on here to discuss it with


I'd rather not wade through it again, to be honest my comprehension of it is lacking compared to volume one, but I probably should.

I think this topic is worthy of sending a thread off the bottom of the catalogue.

Want to make a new thread about it here in /edu/?


i already read entire Vol1 more than year ago. I have no started Vol2 still. Probably lot of anons in same situation. Lets start with Vol2 now



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