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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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 No.13302[View All]

I'm starting this after asking in reading general because there was some interest shown. A thread for the encouragement, maintenance, and organisation of different reading groups- a regular thread will be maintained in order for reading groups to rhizomatically organise. No specific topic of reading is mandated. I would like to start by organising a group, I have a few texts I would be interested in reading but would like to get any kind of feedback because I don't want to propose we read a book and then have a buncha people be like 'nooo i dont like that book' so here are some initial suggestions for what we could read to begin with:

CURRENT BOOK: engels' origin of the family (prehistoric society)

- Baruch Spinoza's 'Ethics'
- Vladimir Lenin's 'Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism'
- Murray Bookchin's 'Post-Scarcity Anarchism'
- Felix Guattari's 'Three Ecologies'
- Alfred North Whitehead's 'Process and Reality'
- Guy Debord's 'Society of the Spectacle'
- Theodor Adorno's 'Negative Dialectics'
- Fredy Perlman's 'Against His-Story, Against Leviathan'
- Friedrich Engel's 'The Origin of the Family'

We humbly invite you all! Feel free to organise and maintain your own group here!
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 No.13385

>>13382
I think there's way more anons organized than 1%
Plus some people can read it for entertainment if they want

 No.13386

>>13383
If you're not picking up on this, it's litterally petit bourgoies salon philosophy, learning for the sake of having shit to do and impressing other petit bourgoies idiots.

People who read fucktons of books and are useful to orgs like I know are people who delve into historical accounts of previous parties, who do this and come out with conclusions and plans of actions which we can try and apply directly in our modern orgs, or who can pinpoint possible causes of mistakes or previous movements and warm us against them.
It's never people who read kant or Spinoza or anything else. Dont pretend it's anything more than just a hobby. It's no different than learning Minecraft trivia or names of train types.

 No.13387

>>13384
Organize people or strengthen the party.

 No.13388

>>13384
It basically means reading Lenin's pertinent works on relevant issues like whether or not Bogdanov was a revisionist and how to fight the Menshevik menace

 No.13389

>>13387
That's the only thing that's useful? Which party?

 No.13390

Damn you guys are insufferable. Feels like an ego-defense thing tbh.
>people reading books! this is an indirect attack me for not reading!
But uh, keep preaching (in your posts on an obscure imageboard) about the need to organize the workers and absolutely not doing anything bourgeois like read a book.

 No.13391

>>13378
The Frequently Asked Questions should help with formatting → https://leftypol.org/faq.html

 No.13392

>>13386
Yeah bud if you aren't making pipe bombs and sending active shooter threats to the FBI, what are you REALLY doing for the revolution?

 No.13393

>>13386
>If you're not picking up on this, it's litterally petit bourgoies salon philosophy, learning for the sake of having shit to do and impressing other petit bourgoies idiots.
From experience, it impresses virtually no one. The people who don't know of it have no idea what you're talking about, and the people who do know of it largely haven't read it and will become defensive if you try to talk about it.

People who pride themselves on being "smart" or "knowledgeable" in some way dislike being challenged on this terrain. These are typically the "college educated, petit bourgeois" types you think "philosophy" will impress, and they believe knowing about that sort of thing "ought to impress" others as well, much like you do. And if you want a good example of what actually happens, take a look at your own comments.

If you're wanting to impress people, you'd do better by going to the gym before reading anything. Even joining a socialist party would be a better way of impressing people.

 No.13394

>>13383
>Information that can't be usefully applied is just trivia.
Reading basically any substantive content seriously as a regular habit is just straight up good for your brain and makes you better at reading comprehension and analysis. You are a giant fucking retard.

 No.13395

>>13394
I knew a guy who read too much and his head exploded. True story.

 No.13396

>thread turns into a serious debate on whether or not reading is sinful
The channer strikes again

 No.13397

>>13395
to be fair you can only fit so many books inside your skull

 No.13398

>>13397
ime if you pulp them first you can fit more in.

 No.13399

>>13397
what if they're ebooks stored in an sd card

 No.13400

I don't get it.

 No.13401

>>13393
pls stop responding to bait, it is shitting up the thread

 No.13402

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Society of the Spectacle if it was actually good

 No.13403

>>13388
this gem post was under-rated

 No.13404

>>13383
>>13382
>>13386
>>13387
>>13393
>philosophy is bad because of thing that is predicated on philosophy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxmzGT1w_kk

 No.13405

>>13378
hope you guys are getting the reading done!

 No.13406

>>13405
We going chapter by chapter?

 No.13407

>>13406
yes, the introduction continues until saturday

 No.13408

>>13406
that is
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/origin_family.pdf

1. stages of prehistoric culture

 No.13409

>>13404
I was saying at >>13393 that reading philosophy impresses no one normally, so the explanation doesn't make sense. I wasn't saying it's bad, but you do have to read philosophy for yourself.

 No.13410

>>13409
yup, to add to this, in my opinion the people who complain about reading philosophy in favour of myopic focus on 'organisation' have also fallen into the same capitalist mentality: securing the conditions of existence cannot be the answer for what those conditions make possible. politics is a vital part of our orientation in the world, but it cannot be the 'end' goal of our lives. we read philosophy in order to interpret and understand the world as best as possible, such that we can live meaningful lives- both in a political sense, and in a personal one. The point is to change it, so that we can….. what? Orient ourselves towards it in a way that is meaningful to us.

 No.13411

on that note

>>13396
>>13390
>>13379

are also equally 'in le sin' because anyone who loves wisdom would be happy to engage on the point, rather than shaming anti-intellectuals, which in my opinion really plays into valid point they DO have which is that people turn philosophy into a meaningless hobby of 'author collection' and only has the effect of Oedipal repression.

Affirm this life

 No.13412

>>13404
Marx didn't see philosophy as interpreting the world sufficiently, he explicitly attacked Feuerbach, Braun and Stirner in the German Ideology for being overly philosophical. Later in his life, he intensely studied the latest developments in physics and anthropology.

 No.13413

>>13402
want to read this…!

 No.13414

sooo did anyone dothe reading

 No.13415

>>13414
What was the reading? Put it in the OP I wasn't following due to the petty squabble going on.

 No.13416

>>13415
how am I supposed to put it in the op you cant edit this stuff.

It's engels' origin of the family (prehistoric society)

 No.13417

>>13416
Unsolicited advice, but I've ran and participated in a few internet book clubs. You need solid commitment from at least 5 people to have anything steady. From 5, you'll be lucky to get 3 show up regularly for a whole book. Unfortunately, posting in a thread like this saying "sounds cool, I want to read that too!, then we'll post about it sometime" isn't enough, imo. I don't know how you can have a bookclub and not do it on something like fbi.gov where everyone is meeting regularly and has identities. Hope it works here though, even with the shitposters. But that's also a problem, bunch of fuckin interlopers in your bookclub.

 No.13418

>>13417
We should each pick a flag, name or trip for this thread.
Ideally another thread should be created with the book in the OP.

 No.13419

>>13414
Was a book even chosen? everyone started whining and bitching and acting like little children and it became impossible to follow.

 No.13420

>>13416
oh i missed this, derp.
no. I did start to re-read against his-story though.

 No.13421

>>13414
If it's that bad, I'll join. I wanted Spinoza, or anything else, but I'm not even that opposed to "The Origin of the Family"; I just wanted to read more books on related topics before approaching it.

Some place to meet off this website should probably be chosen. While I'd prefer that it stay on imageboards in the abstract, it's difficult to organize a book discussion here due to the format, and even more people than usual are going to shirk reading when it's all completely anonymous. Flags would work to mitigate this to an extent, if you're determined not to have the discussion elsewhere.

I also agree with >>13418 that a new thread should be made for the reading group, with a link to where it'll be discussed (if elsewhere) and, ideally, a schedule.

 No.13422

>>13421
I think we can make it happen I'll be doing the reading each friday after I get off work ready for saturday an offsite thing might be a good adjunct but I won't be participating there only here

If you need a ramp on → >>13378 is good

>>13416
>how am I supposed to put it in the op you cant edit this stuff.
No but the vols can I've asked on >>>/meta/ @ → >>/meta/26563

 No.13423

>>13422
Fug fixed final link → >>>/meta/26563

 No.13424

Got a physical copy, will attempt to read this chapter today, if not oh well.
>>13416

 No.13425

>>13416
>>13423
>>13422
IMO start a new thread with the first few paragraphs to entice readers.

 No.13426

>>13319
>>13324

bro if you have this much time to shitpost on /leftypol/ i cant imagine your "cell" is doing too well lmao

 No.13427

>>13425
Well in the meantime let's continue here

To sum the chapter the shift from barbarism to civilization is marked by writing?

 No.13428

found out about this guy on /lit/ he's been going over hegel recently

 No.13429

>>13417
im gonna force ppl to participate here whether they like it or not

>>13428
READ WITH US READ WITH US

>>13426
READ WIUTH US

>>13427
it was interesting to me some of the developments of like how fishing and pottery play into human development. I didnt realise that yeah humans probably did start by moving across the coasts and fishing

 No.13430

>>13429
>it was interesting to me some of the developments of like how fishing and pottery play into human development.
Yup, and how the ones who chose to research animal husbandry got horsemen first.

 No.13431

ok. i gave u bitches enuf time to read and discuss. next chapter!!!

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/origin_family.pdf

We are on chapter II, the family

 No.13432

>>13431
I'd like to emphasize the end of this chapter

 No.13433

>>13432
right, Morgan says (and Engels seems to be agreeing) that reproductive relations may still evolve with society

 No.13434

File: 1683348403084.pdf (723.55 KB, 197x255, origin_family.pdf)

Chapter III. The Iroquois Gens
>Outside the tribe was outside the law.
Nota Bene


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