This is perhaps breadtube video I have yet seen, to call it disinformation would be an understatemen Anonymous 01-05-23 06:26:00 No. 18068 [View All]
This video is titled The Gay Body Image Crisis by James Somerton, seemingly its a video essay about gay people's body image issues, but in actuality its just bizarre venting against fit people through ahistorical revisionism. The main narrative presented throughout this essay is that recreational exercise. physical fitness, and bodybuilding were invented by the Nazis, based on antique statues and these were then bought to the US by gay soldiers, where it shaped first the gay sub culture and later became the mainstream image among the heteros. There are a few obvious problems with these statements. So modern fitness training in the US started about a hundred years before the Nazi party, In addition, the bronze era of bodybuilding, began with Sandow before the turn of the century: predating WW1, So Americans, gay or straight, didn't inspiration from the SS in regard to body image and exercise. He also makes a claim that the BMI formula was specifically invited by white supremacist and used by Nazis to find an ideal solider bodytype, so again the BMI also predates the Nazis and while the tables were developed after WW2, and they were based on mortality studies, so the normal weight category was the one with the lowestmortality rate, not the one closest to a SS-Supersoldier The absolute most ridiculous claim he makes is that he states Ernst Röhm was killed because he was fat and hence didn't fit the image of the ideal man, while the party politics surrounding the so called Röhm coup are not even mentioned. Somerton leaves out the fact that one of Röhms greatest rivals, one who talked Hitler into killing him, was Hermann Göring – a man just as fat as Röhm. Seriously, of course this was about power and politics, not body image. So at the end of the video Somerton, based on these misleading historical narratives, try's to shame people for being into fit people because that's what "Hitler thought was perfect." like the bodies in the clips he uses are not that uncommon in many young men, that's the bodytype of most fit healthy young men and that can be found in any race of men, I mean the whole bodypositivity, HEAS and fat acceptance movement was always ripe with body-shaming and open scorne of thinner people, that is nothing new. But the politicization of a certain body type, its identification with a political ideology, is. concerning to say the least like guess who also heavily idealized the muscular body in their propaganda,: The Soviets and pretty much every other communist movement in the world
82 posts and 9 image replies omitted. Anonymous 16-05-23 02:07:25 No. 18154
>>18153 how often do "leftists" use weapons to defend themselves
ill give you physical fitness when dealing with antiriot teams
Anonymous 16-05-23 03:06:00 No. 18157
>>18155 firearms are cool but all this rhetoric feels ahistorical or outdated nowadays. maybe when capitalism is in its last throes will guns make a comeback, who knows
>>18156 uh……………… no?
Anonymous 16-05-23 03:09:27 No. 18158
>>18068 >modern fitness training in the US started about a hundred years before the Nazi party, "umm ACTUALLY, it was a different eugenicist slave oligarchy that invented bourgeois idealism of genetic hygiene fitness culture, it was the one that had more racist laws about 'one drop of blood' than the nazis, who were influenced by them but had more moderate laws about blood purity" Very Good Fact-checking, Sir!
>>18124 Curious to see this from the same corpos who did a psyop to convince people "eating fat, not sugar, causes obesity" (google about China for more info)
https://miscellanynews.org/2018/12/05/opinions/sugar-industry-responsible-for-deceiving-u-s-on-fat/ >body positivity movement is basically a glowop Neoliberalism is all about "making rational choices as an individual in the free market", I think these woke capitalists retweeting radlibs talking about mental health are cringe, but I'm still more concerned with bourgeois moralists like Kanye who still spew Oprah style anti-fat ideology despite it literally killing his own mother (!!!) with her elective cosmetic surgery. Making healthy choices is important, but that's about education and giving workers power over their own nutrition, it's not about shaming people for living in food deserts and eating processed foods because of their depression and learned helplessness.
>>18153 >Why should the left abandon physical fitness and weapons training, the only means we have to defend ourselves? The word "ourselves" is doing a lot of work here. The issue is when that praxis is just neoliberal subject individualism, like the uncanny Instagram models but commie aesthetic instead of Andrew Tate freaks. The idea of collective fitness (or learning about marital arts) stopped being a thing when racist Reaganites privatized state funded programs and made kids lose their community centers and YMCAs.
Anonymous 16-05-23 03:17:00 No. 18161
>>18158 >The word "ourselves" is doing a lot of work here. no shit
>The issue is when that praxis is just neoliberal subject individualism staying healthy and defending fellow proles from fascism will never be neoliberal subject individualism. taking care of society begins with taking care of your body. The better take care of yourself the longer you can stay alive and serve your fellow proles. Imagine getting the education to become a doctor then dropping dead at 30 from heart disease. It would be a waste, not just individually, but collectively.
Anonymous 16-05-23 03:18:14 No. 18162
>>18161 >staying healthy and defending fellow proles from fascism will never be neoliberal subject individualism it literally is, sounds completely useless as opposed to just organizing
>then dropping dead at 30 from heart diseasechanners dont use hyperbole and retarded analogies challenge (impossible)
Anonymous 16-05-23 11:18:55 No. 18176
>>18171 >>18172 im not the same guy why would i answer the question
>bullylol
Anonymous 21-05-23 19:25:01 No. 18193
>>18191 >millionaires are fine Unironically correct. Like who gives a shit if some petite-bourgeois fuck own a yacht or something. Big picture. Not to mention, "millionaire" is symbolically a shorthand for living in luxury, not having to worry about money. That is a goal of lot of proles, completely understandable one I might add. Railing against millionaires just turns them off, paints communist movement as something that seeks to cut the tall poppy rather than ensure everyone gets to enjoy their life to the fullest.
>Chinese and Russian revolutions happened because the people were just jealous End of that video, where she talks about socialism, was awful, probably the worst take I ever heard her proclaim, but somehow unrelated, when it comes to support for social movements, "objective" living standards seem to be secondary to "subjective" ones, meaning a gap between real living standards and expectations.
Anonymous 28-05-23 00:53:28 No. 18199
>>18193 >petite-bourgeois fuck own a yacht or something. The petite-bourgeois are not owning a fucking yacht. They’re your typical small business owners that are often poorer than welders.
The people who own yachts ARE the problem. They run the country and the world, it’s their fault. That’s the whole point in revolutionary socialism.
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