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This video is titled The Gay Body Image Crisis by James Somerton, seemingly its a video essay about gay people's body image issues, but in actuality its just bizarre venting against fit people through ahistorical revisionism.

The main narrative presented throughout this essay is that recreational exercise. physical fitness, and bodybuilding were invented by the Nazis, based on antique statues and these were then bought to the US by gay soldiers, where it shaped first the gay sub culture and later became the mainstream image among the heteros. There are a few obvious problems with these statements.
So modern fitness training in the US started about a hundred years before the Nazi party, In addition, the bronze era of bodybuilding, began with Sandow before the turn of the century: predating WW1, So Americans, gay or straight, didn't inspiration from the SS in regard to body image and exercise.
He also makes a claim that the BMI formula was specifically invited by white supremacist and used by Nazis to find an ideal solider bodytype, so again the BMI also predates the Nazis and while the tables were developed after WW2, and they were based on mortality studies, so the normal weight category was the one with the lowestmortality rate, not the one closest to a SS-Supersoldier
The absolute most ridiculous claim he makes is that he states Ernst Röhm was killed because he was fat and hence didn't fit the image of the ideal man, while the party politics surrounding the so called Röhm coup are not even mentioned. Somerton leaves out the fact that one of Röhms greatest rivals, one who talked Hitler into killing him, was Hermann Göring – a man just as fat as Röhm. Seriously, of course this was about power and politics, not body image.

So at the end of the video Somerton, based on these misleading historical narratives, try's to shame people for being into fit people because that's what "Hitler thought was perfect." like the bodies in the clips he uses are not that uncommon in many young men, that's the bodytype of most fit healthy young men and that can be found in any race of men, I mean the whole bodypositivity, HEAS and fat acceptance movement was always ripe with body-shaming and open scorne of thinner people, that is nothing new. But the politicization of a certain body type, its identification with a political ideology, is. concerning to say the least
like guess who also heavily idealized the muscular body in their propaganda,: The Soviets and pretty much every other communist movement in the world

He also claims that Stalin committed way more genocide than Hitler. I'm no Stalinist, but this is just plain wrong.

>>18069
And tbh, it's a good thing that gay people actually care about physical fitness and don't fall victim to the complacency that plagues so many people nowadays. Fitness is absolutely necessary and people should be socially conditioned into it.

Youtuber essayist moment.

I wonder, is Breadtube in the fringes of American leftwing spaces? Or has it become well known and established? Does the average American radlibby, woke leftist believe insane things like this because he saw a Breadtuber talking about it?

>>18069
I'm sure the fata sss is one of those "both communism and fascism are equally bad types"

man im fairly sure we can make people be less neurotic about their bodies without having to bring hitler up. godwin was right

reading the comment sections (yeah i hate myself) and thinking the "theres no really such a thing as a gay community" poster was right

>Also the whole kink and leather community was largely inspired by military uniforms and hierarchy.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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>>18070
I mean I do think there can be a discussion with specifically bodybuilding culture and how it affects young men's body image to the point they start taking steroids and many young in my country have accidently killied themselves cause of these cheap steroids, home lab made steroids that are shipped from china are so cheap even the poorest of the poor can get them.
I hear similar things are happening a lot in African and Arab countries

>>18076
Bodybuilders are fully aware of what they're getting into tbh. You don't get that big accidentally.

>>18077
a lot of these are young guys who don't know what their getting into, they just want to get big fast and end up accidently killing themselves

>>18078
The issue is that they're getting shitty medication, not that they want to get into bodybuilding.

>>18072
how is this even 'breadtube' in the first place? it's just liberalism not even soft socialism

>>18076
society is mpre sympathetic to female distress than male distress tbh.

Also, alot of school sports teams have students taking steroids in order to stay pn the team. Theure skilled players but the competitiveness is too quick amd hard, and ballsports industry was always abput spectacle over actual play anyway.

>>18079
this.
Same with the vape

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>>18081
These aren't athletes though, these are young men(sometimes just teenage boys) who are doing this for the sake of image
>>18079
They shouldn't be taking steroids in the first place, you can easily have a healthy and natural male physique without steroids

>>18083
Nah, they just shouldn't be taking shitty steroids.

OK then what's the leftist approved way to hate on fit people?

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>>18085
only fat people should be hated

>>18086
Are you still living in the 19th century? Today it is the working class that are fat. They work all day and can barely afford food, but they still get so round that you could roll them. Meanwhile the rich just sit on their asses all day, but they eat all the good foods and actually have the time, energy and money to get fit. Today if you want to look rich, it is no longer enough to buy nice clothes, you have to start to lift weights.

>>18087
rich people arent fit, they just arent fat

>>18088
Yes they are, they have their own personal trainers and everything.

>>18089
So true, both Elon Musk and Bill Gates are noted for their six-packs and deadlifts

>>18068

notice how he repeatdly brings up studies but doesnt provide sources for them


source;
i made it up

>>18090
Bill Gates is almost 70 years old. Musk used to be fit before he went insane.

Also you seem to think that "fit" means "bodybuilder". That's only true on 4chan.

>>18070
Actually, fitness is all the craze. And complacency is stigmatized.

>>18083
perhaps, but again. We laugh at young men for having insecuritoes yet we crucify them for "not giving a fuck".

Also muscle isnt as easy to attain. Alot of young guys ate looked dowm upon for not being big/bulky or older.

Masculinity is harsher with gender aeathetic than femininity.

>>18087
this is kinda true.
Theres a few lanky people I meet. But everyone else is chubby or fat.

>>18093
/pol/ uyghas really think they are counter-culture for working out.

>>18093
>>18096
tbf its a bit complicated, HAES is promoted more in mainstream in most of social media and IRL people are more likely to fun of fun of hate people and think fit men and women are attractive.

>>18097
>HAES is promoted
It's not.

Don't care, I'm on gear and love it.
Don't care my balls are basically jerky at this point.
When I'm dead by 45, I'll still be jacked.

>>18098
not really 'haes' but you see plus size models pretty regularly now

>I ate only 400 calories a day and only lost 20 pounds in six months.
Like I understand metabolism is more complicated than calories in-calories out, but this is literally impossible.
Also, I do have hard time sympathising with gay guys complyning about body image issues. Like you have no idea how good you have it compared to straight dating. All you have to do to become attractive is get fit, fucking wish that was the case for us.

>>18100
They are selling plus size clothes.

>>18077
Bodybuilders have dysmorphia

>>18101
its all about dating and sex for you huh?

>>18070
This. Fat Acceptance is reactionary because it encourages individualistic and egoistic attitudes. It and other Neoliberal astroturf movements are incompatible with the building of socialism.

>>18105
social media bans for kids are also reactionary.
I know alot of you are gonna be indignant at my take, but alot these laws based around protecting kids actually make things worse.

>>18068
>>18105
neither fat acceptance nor being skinny/fit are reactionary actually and thinking otherwise is just falling into the lifestylism trap

>>18106
>but alot these laws based around protecting kids actually make things worse
Lmao look at China it works bro

>>18108
how

>>18108
how?
It only appears to work because China along with the rest of East asia is good at covering up dissent.

>>18107
It isn't lifestylism to take care of yourself nor is it lifestylism to denounce attitudes that promote Neoliberal/pro-capitalist values. Also, skinny isn't necessarily fit. I would rather be healthy than skinny.

>>18111
Neoliberalism has nothing to do with fitness or its lack. Stop trying to turn it into a meaningless buzzword. It has a very specific meaning, it's not just some general boogeyman that you can blame for every thing that you dislike.

>>18112
Well, I think its meant to be used as a differentiator from classic liberalism.

>>18111
the same shitty logic can be applied to yourself you tard

>>18113
neoliberalism is a very specific thing and not just "not liberalism"

>>18111
>uhhhh im not a lifestylism for jerking myself off over my "revolutionary" consumer choices and denouncing differing consumer choices as """"neoliberal""""
Leftypoltards are so cute.

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>>18109
Because a socialist government wants people to touch grass.

>>18117
these measures dont really tackle the core problem tbh

>>18104
Yes? The video is about gay men.

>>18076
How many people have died because they didn’t care about fitness or health?

>>18075
Unironic Nazlibs lol

>>18080
Liberalism IS soft socialism according to Breadtubers.

>>18087
You don’t understand the conservation of mass.
The working class in America are fat because the only food they have access to (fast food) is calorically dense, that food has more carbon atoms per gram than the food that rich people eat. Fast food is addictive due to the high fructose corn syrup (created by gusanos) and it isn’t “filling”. Hence, people are more inclined to eat it.
You can be fat as fuck and eat less calorically dense foods. At that point, you’re just greedy.

>>18098
It literally is. It’s promoted by the food industry.
https://twitter.com/UTLAUncensored/status/1569179938334601217
LAUSD promoted the concept of “food neutrality” to children via a video posted by “nutritionist” who works at Mondelez, the corporation which makes snakes such as Oreos, Ritz, and Chips Ahoy.
https://californiaglobe.com/articles/la-unified-school-district-posts-bizarre-video-about-food-neutrality/amp/
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/video-shared-la-school-district-woman-kids-unhealthy-works-mondelez
Yes, the body positivity movement is basically a glowop pushed by the food industry.

>>18120
XD

>YOUR identity is pushed by neoliberalism!
<no, YOUR identity is pushed by neoliberalism!
will leftypol ever stop being stuck in the 20th century god damn, all your identities serve capitalism, no fucking exceptions, so the point is moot

>>18124
Wow, one (1) video from one (1) single "Influencer", truly there is a conspiracy.

>>18083
>you can easily have a healthy and natural male physique without steroids
absolutely correct, although I wouldn't say that it's easy. Using a picture of Zac Efron to illustrate this point is a bit silly too, as actors are well known for using PEDs to help them gain and maintain muscle and lose body fat. IDK if Efron used PEDs back then, but he certainly has in the years since.

>>18122
Obviously Agent Kochinski and so on are part of breadtube but how is this guy?

>>18128
also you will need steroids if you want to past a certain size

>>18128
>>18130
Same applies if you're getting older too.

>>18127
She literally is an influencer funded and supported by the food industry and she got support by the LA unified school district. I’m sure there are many others you don’t know about because the glowies fund them.

>>18132
You are like those right-wingers who latch onto a single example of their boogeyman and pretend that it is a widespread systematic issue despite all the evidence on the contrary. Meanwhile the magazines are full of the latest fad diet, there are fitness supplements on every other billboard and we are told everywhere that you will never be happy unless you look like Schwarzenegger used to in his peak.

>>18133
nah dude micromanaging every aspect of your life is HEALTHY!!!!!!!!

"their is no ethical consumption under capitalism" has become an excuse now

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Both the fat acceptance and the fitness dietism fascism are pushed by the same people and are ultimately useless as far as "pushing a fat/thin agenda" goes, it's just made to generate tensions among groups of peoples.
Do you know anybody that became fat because some globohomo corporate artwork said it was ok to be a lardass (fetish stuff like nikocado dont count obv)?
Do you know anybody that became an autistic fitness freak because they saw adverts for magnesium pills that make you loose weight and become patrick bateman?
No to both. The reason these things are being pushed it to sow division between the ever increasing number of fatties and the Healthy People. It's a culture war of some sort except it's not a "culturally left" VS "culturally right" situation since it cut across political sides. Actually right wingers are really fat fucks on average across the planet. My radical islamist family members are all lardasses that chug on sodas all day while watching al jezeera and tweeting.
And the reason fatsos are increasing is not tied to fat acceptance propaganda it's because of the promotion of unhealthy diet which are 2 very different thing.
If i show you Dolph Lundgren drinking soda while lifting heavy stuff this still count as fat propaganda despite being anti-fat acceptance aesthetically. Because the goal of soda is to make you fat.

And keep in mind that this mindset of showing you a fit handsome person to sell you unhealthy goyslop while berrating you for being an unhealthy fatoïd have basically been the norm in advert of all kind since the 80's.

I like bbws though :(

>>18136
Dude literally everyone from from Agrarian Socialists, Communists, Anarchists', Fascists, Jihadists e.t.c told their members to get fit, most young men should be fit as they can be is not fascism,

>>18139
we will get the revolution when enough people become thin

>>18139
i am not against being fit (i am fit and take care of myself).

>>18068
I'm not watching this, the psychological benefit of making a stupid video like this instead of actually lifting is incredibly apparent

>>18140
You're retarded

>>18143
sorry mah dude 2 busy lifting 4 socialism!!

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I'd argue vidrel is the most breadtube moment

Fat people are gross and obesity is a manufactured issue
/thread

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>>18145
I dunno, he has a point. Obviously we won't be filled with mountains of unsold games to dumpster dive through at the back of a Gamestop, but the guy who made Tetris did it for free without expecting money before he found out it was being sold without his knowledge, and Nintendo shuts down whole games made for free

>>18145
He has a point. Most of our problems in the world are due to idealism. Mammon is just second, often a servant to ideologue.

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>>18145
Only issue I'm seeing is they might be reducing economics too much, but I'm going to assume that's hyperbolic or a joke that makes sense in the topic that this is cropped from.
Basically just saying superstructure shapes and maintains base.

>>18147
>>18148
>>18149
The problem with the argument against for emulators is that their reliance on specialized computer components means that if the factories producing these parts were to shut down, not only would it affect consoles, but it would also impact emulators, which run on computers facing similar supply chain issues. The microchips that power these consoles, along with other electronics such as phones, cars, and home appliances, are manufactured through a complex and lengthy supply chain

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>>18150
If communism means the only games I'll have is a hoop and a stick, I'll take it, I don't play video games

why would communism affect video game emulation y'all retarded

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i read one sentence of OP and I can already tell this is probably some kind of alphabet soup-funded video

any time you see divisive identity politics (as opposed to integration of marginalized people into the class struggle), any time you see assertions that physical fitness or knowing how to use a weapon is "fascist", any time you see complaints about AES countries somehow being more reactionary than "liberal democracies," you are dealing with a psychological operation. Think about it? Why should the left abandon physical fitness and weapons training, the only means we have to defend ourselves? How is it ableist for comrades and caretakers to take care of their own bodies so they can better defend the differently-abled from eugenicist reactionaries? Why should the most colonialist and imperialist countries on the Earth be viewed as better than the periphery just because they are "better" (for purely cynical and tactical reasons, assuming they're even better at all) on certain issues?

If the algorithm fed you this guy, it's definitely funded. Way better and more insightful shit languishes in obscurity because at the end of the day youtube is a bourgeois capitalist 1st world platform.

>>18153
how often do "leftists" use weapons to defend themselves
ill give you physical fitness when dealing with antiriot teams

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>>18154
>how often do "leftists" use weapons to defend themselves
NOT OFTEN ENOUGH

>>18154
are you that one guy who was insisting that physical fitness is irrelevant for modern combat, kept on bringing up the Taliban and Viet-Cong as example of why physical for warfare is some sort of capitalist scam and waste of time

>>18155
firearms are cool but all this rhetoric feels ahistorical or outdated nowadays. maybe when capitalism is in its last throes will guns make a comeback, who knows

>>18156
uh……………… no?

>>18068
>modern fitness training in the US started about a hundred years before the Nazi party,
"umm ACTUALLY, it was a different eugenicist slave oligarchy that invented bourgeois idealism of genetic hygiene fitness culture, it was the one that had more racist laws about 'one drop of blood' than the nazis, who were influenced by them but had more moderate laws about blood purity" Very Good Fact-checking, Sir!
>>18124
Curious to see this from the same corpos who did a psyop to convince people "eating fat, not sugar, causes obesity" (google about China for more info) https://miscellanynews.org/2018/12/05/opinions/sugar-industry-responsible-for-deceiving-u-s-on-fat/
>body positivity movement is basically a glowop
Neoliberalism is all about "making rational choices as an individual in the free market", I think these woke capitalists retweeting radlibs talking about mental health are cringe, but I'm still more concerned with bourgeois moralists like Kanye who still spew Oprah style anti-fat ideology despite it literally killing his own mother (!!!) with her elective cosmetic surgery. Making healthy choices is important, but that's about education and giving workers power over their own nutrition, it's not about shaming people for living in food deserts and eating processed foods because of their depression and learned helplessness.
>>18153
>Why should the left abandon physical fitness and weapons training, the only means we have to defend ourselves?
The word "ourselves" is doing a lot of work here. The issue is when that praxis is just neoliberal subject individualism, like the uncanny Instagram models but commie aesthetic instead of Andrew Tate freaks. The idea of collective fitness (or learning about marital arts) stopped being a thing when racist Reaganites privatized state funded programs and made kids lose their community centers and YMCAs.

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>>18157
defending yourself from reactionaries will never be outdated. would you want to be empty-handed if fascists took over?

>>18159
Every time leftypol shits itself when someone doesn't care about guns it shows how American-minded everyone here is tbh, guns are literally a non-issue everywhere else. So much that gun possession is completely associated with bougie right-wingers where I live.

>>18158
>The word "ourselves" is doing a lot of work here.
no shit
>The issue is when that praxis is just neoliberal subject individualism
staying healthy and defending fellow proles from fascism will never be neoliberal subject individualism. taking care of society begins with taking care of your body. The better take care of yourself the longer you can stay alive and serve your fellow proles. Imagine getting the education to become a doctor then dropping dead at 30 from heart disease. It would be a waste, not just individually, but collectively.

>>18161
>staying healthy and defending fellow proles from fascism will never be neoliberal subject individualism
it literally is, sounds completely useless as opposed to just organizing

>then dropping dead at 30 from heart disease
channers dont use hyperbole and retarded analogies challenge (impossible)

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>>18161
>will never be neoliberal subject individualism
<The better take care of yourself the longer you can stay alive and serve your fellow proles
The ideology goggles are too thick for you to even realize what you're saying.

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>>18160
>Karl Marx, a literal german: "under no pretexts should arms and ammunition be surrendered."
< wow only burgers care about this stuff, it's so outdated, the bourgeois military should have a monopoly on violence! It's literally a non issue where i live

you must live in a comfy european social democracy. maybe if you lived in the third world and burgers were drone striking your house you would feel differently, gardener.

>>18164
thanks for posting a 2-century old quote to prove that not only burgers care about this shit!

>>18164
Unless you don't think latin america counts as third world, nobody cares here either, lmao.

>>18163
i literally am working class and take care of my grandma and my disabled mother in law and a baby. if i dropped dead of heart disease they'd be fucked. we need to restructure society so that they can rely on other people besides me, but that starts with revolution, which starts with a bunch of able bodied people taking up arms and overthrowing the ruling class. I don't have "ideology goggles" for recognizing this. Do you have anyone who depends on you for survival? What are your material conditions like?

>>18167
>What are your material conditions like?
why do you guys speak like this

>>18165
maybe if your government suddenly became fascist and started rounding people up you'd give a shit, moron. Do you think 3rd world insurgents resist imperialism with sticks and stones? are you going to seize the means of production with your bare hands? Are you going to go up against the might of the bourgeoisie with your bare hands? imbecile. weapons have universal relevance. perhaps this is invisible to EU gardeners who have an unsustainable social democracy that leeches off of the 3rd world

>>18166
>nobody in latin america cares about weapons
lying through your teeth. Venezuela and Bolivia have fended off coup attempts in the past 5 years.

>>18168
do you take care of anyone or not? i take care of people. something tells me you don't since you ignored the question

>>18168
>hey do you take care of people
<heh im gonna ignore that question and try to bully you over using a word with 3 syllables

you're not trying to have an honest conversation

>>18169
3rd world insurgents face subpar militaries, the fact is almost every attempt at trying to face a competent function army never works, whether its an Islamist, nationalist or communist insurgency

>>18173
This doesn't make guns irrelevant at all. Goalposts are now in an entirely different field.

>>18153
>>18158
>>18068
This reminds me of a video by Dan Olson(the Minecraft is actually colonialism guy) I watched years back, where he talked about how collective origination of people into any force, will always lead to Fascism, even when I was a lib I found that sorta dumb, like yeah it sucks when its used for Nazism but it doesn't have to be Nazism, it can do a lot of collective good as well

>>18171
>>18172
im not the same guy why would i answer the question

>bully
lol

>>18174
if were gonna talk about goalposts trying to get guns before having any sort of organization is fucking stupid lol

>>18175
in which video does he say that? i've watched plenty of his stuff but i can't recall hearing him say anything like that

>>18068
>The absolute most ridiculous claim he makes is that he states Ernst Röhm was killed because he was fat and hence didn't fit the image of the ideal man, while the party politics surrounding the so called Röhm coup are not even mentioned. Somerton leaves out the fact that one of Röhms greatest rivals, one who talked Hitler into killing him, was Hermann Göring – a man just as fat as Röhm.
LOL great find! Too bad I have no vlogging presence, I would make a response video about how that purge was really about the pro-pedicurists (Göring liked getting his nails done) VS the anti-pedicurists and that getting a pedicure is fascist, which also proves women to be ten times as fascist as men. I mean, people without hands never get a pedicure and have you ever seen one of those guys giving a Hitler salute?

>>18177
>trying to get guns before having any sort of organization
literally nobody advocated this in the entire conversation. way to move the goalposts yet again

>>18176
>hehehe you thought i was the same guy but i definitely was not
sure buddy

>>18180
>>trying to get guns before having any sort of organization
That's literally what burgers on this shithole do ITT and all the time.

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the average american gun owner is just another flavor of the funko pop collector

Breadtube has really become some of the most terminally idealist-brained bullshit imaginable. It's pampered ex-theater kids doing bits in Dario Argento lighting while talking about how a 90s children's cartoon was culturally backwards by modern standards.

God forbid you see any of these terminally-online PMC weirdos do actual materialist or class analysis.

>>18183
>fatsoc comment

>>18185
uhhh a patsoc would be progun lmfao..

>>18184
Bruh, breadtube has been shit since they lost purpose in early 2018 and basically nonexistent since 2020 when the patronbux ran out. Where are you seeing any of this?

>>18184
They can't do that because they are bourgeois approved political dissemination bots who beg like lumpen hobos for money all fucking day spouting anti-communist or bourgeois socialist nonsense, all from within their fucking mansions

>>18184
>>18188
I wouldn't even call them pmc class. They are blatantly lumpenprole. They arent professionals of or managing anything. They just beg like fucking hobos and play minecraft.

>>18189
sounds based actually

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>>18068
>>18145
No, this is the most BreadTube take: 'Um, sweetie, the Chinese and Russian revolutions happened because the people were just jealous'

>>18191
I wonder what haz will say once he makes a million

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>>18191
>millionaires are fine
Unironically correct. Like who gives a shit if some petite-bourgeois fuck own a yacht or something. Big picture. Not to mention, "millionaire" is symbolically a shorthand for living in luxury, not having to worry about money. That is a goal of lot of proles, completely understandable one I might add. Railing against millionaires just turns them off, paints communist movement as something that seeks to cut the tall poppy rather than ensure everyone gets to enjoy their life to the fullest.

>Chinese and Russian revolutions happened because the people were just jealous
End of that video, where she talks about socialism, was awful, probably the worst take I ever heard her proclaim, but somehow unrelated, when it comes to support for social movements, "objective" living standards seem to be secondary to "subjective" ones, meaning a gap between real living standards and expectations.

>>18193
>>18192
fat hands typed these posts

>>18192
I mean he was already raised by a millionarie or billionaire, his dad. No?

majority of breadtuber vidoes could be cut in half or even quarter length, if they didn't focus on the pointless theatrics and insert unrelated tangents about pop-culture shit

>>18105
Wow this is accurate. It goes along a step further where beauty is determined on facial features, not an attribute you can control exactly. Being fat or being fit is for the most part, controllable and requires effort.

>>18087
>Today it is the working class that are fat.
Go take a look at the U.S. Congress and claim they’re working class

>>18193
>petite-bourgeois fuck own a yacht or something.
The petite-bourgeois are not owning a fucking yacht. They’re your typical small business owners that are often poorer than welders.
The people who own yachts ARE the problem. They run the country and the world, it’s their fault. That’s the whole point in revolutionary socialism.

>>18199
>That’s the whole point in revolutionary socialism.
i thought the point was dismantling capital and class division not focusing on rich fucks


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