/edu/ - Education

most readily available "education " is meant to produce obedient consumers/slaves/soldiers , the minority who obtain enlightenment get it via nepotism or in rare cases incredible talent.

The only real way we can proliferate education is through the realization of the individual that manifests itself into collective consciousness against those who seek to suppress knowledge and skill.

public general education in it's current state is meant to do two things
>get the youth caught up on the general points and knowledge of liberalism, authority of state and their '"role"" in upcoming society as the proletariat.
>ensure the proletariat youth to be sympathetic to the capitalist dogma, as well as train their aspirations to become sympathetic to capitalism itself

Firstly it should be obvious that capitalism has to go - it is the main driving force behind the facade of liberalism and is responsible for the aspirations of the current society - in earlier societies; the role of education was to only get people up to speed on what they considered to be sacred to their society, so once we get rid of capitalism the role of educaiton then shifts back to what we would consider sacred for universal life experiences.

after the abolishment of capitalism the next thing would be to structure the education system in a way that teaching & learning could be flourished through public practice.
meaning these things would need to be free first
>some sort of access to all media - accessible at all times and capable of being distributed to the masses somehow
I would imagine this would be done through something like the publicization of the internet, and the publicization of a universal machine that could accessed by anyone at any age and easy to produce.

>next would be to incentivize public teaching somehow
I would imagine this would probably look something akin to receiving food, room & board in exchange for teaching labor to the public youth. as well as community philosophers who would be available to answer any deeper questions that a curious student may have about education.

>lastly the culture surrounding education would need to be upheld as a public virtue
this one I'm not entirely sure about, but education in someplace like ancient Greece was seen as a way to prepare the youth to participate in democracy as well as public sport and identity. something similar would need to happen as well - anti-intellectualism is encouraged in America because the contradiction of capitalism shows front in center that the bourgeoisie don't need to be educated in order to rule - there are plenty of bourgies that are dumber than the average proletariat because they don't actually value learning - capitalism itself doesn't actually value learning as a way to perpetuate itself either. So in order to perpetuate communism, there would need to be some sort of positive cultural response to be well educated or well read.

>social democratic reform
ok lol

>>25253
also
>give equal to everyone
equality without aim is a useless goal - equal to what? we're all equally poor compared to the bourgeoisie

>>25287
Sorry I forgot to type the word "opportunities", as in giving a chance to everyone to get a high quality education no matter the social status or the background all around the world. Like you said in your previous post, there must be a tool that is accessible and useful for learning. This, I think, is what it could help first break the barrier at some point. As someone who has some programming skills, I was thinking about creating AI professors or some sort university made of AI, and obviously it's all open-sourced. This may sound like a very stupid idea and no machine could ever replace a good teacher, however I'm thinking more of those people who don't have any means to acquire education.

Information isn't education. It's not enough to just have access to the internet and all of its information, people also need guidance to figure out how to parse and question this infromation otherwise they just become brainwashed stooges who believe and repeat everything they read.

Education needs to b discerned.
Not all academic fields are equally valuable.
The problem with education is that's it's currently anti blue collar/anti worldly an hostile to non-liberal ideas

>>25284
Education should be backed up by real-world application

We should have student going on real world assignments about their career aspiratios

The entire point of education is to instill inequality. By making education free, it reinforces whatever class system or preferred institutions, thus making the very idea of gatekeeping with wealth or money possible. One of the purposes of education is to teach people of a class system that has no reason to actually exist. At its core, all class systems reduce to some system where there is a lowest class that must be excluded at all costs, and that class is usually punished and shamed severely for the crime of existing. Education's primary function is to establish permanently that lowest class so that society is morally educated to reject them.
Every effort to make education free is designed to expand the definition of that lowest class, to impose further screening and humiliation, and to harden a given regimentation of society. Making education expensive is just another way of filtering and justifying the class system, since education is a tax extracted to gain membership in society at some rung.

If however you wanted the products you think are useful from education, you only have one course of action: stop lying about the nature of human society and human beings. Humans will never have a just and equal society free of class distinctions unless they really set out to make one and ask why this happened. Most humans will reject any such equality to the bitter end, and it is not a given that such a condition is even the goal. The lowest class does not want equality with a society that has always ritually sacrificed them. The lowest class wants to leave that society permanently, seeing it correctly as a menace to avoid at all costs. A tribal, primitive society is no better for the lowest class than civilization. Most of humanity really isn't motivated by equality or justice in that way, even. Usually the aim of the valid is to attain and keep some part of the world that allows them to exist without being tortured.

So if you really wanted to promote a virtuous education for the broad masses, you would start by making it clear that home life is home. You would not have school teachers invading the home with insane charges. They would not snatch children and chop up their brains. Children would not be subjected to anything like the torture regime. If they want to declare children incapable of learning, just send them home. That's what they always wanted to do, but they insisted on making a public example purely for the sake of torture, because that's what humans do. If children have a home and some course of tutoring they could carry out independently of the institutions, they would attain, if they are told of what the world is, some education on their power, given the basic principles of the society are honestly described. The great problem that Fabianism imposed on us is that it was strictly illegal to speak of the nature of this society, even when the truth was obvious. The "retarded" kids saw it, and kept asking why anyone else would go along with something so obviously monstrous. There never will be a good answer, either. They're humans. They don't really think.

Like I said: If you stop lying, you would solve a lot of the problems that were created purely because certain people decided to maximize lying for its own sake. Stop making excuses for these disgusting people who made the world far worse than it had to be. Humans can learn to live with being a Satanic race, and they could learn in a far better world how to mitigate this Satanic bullshit enough to the point where they can look forward to a world where there are no "humans" as such. Humans as they are do not deserve to continue, but right now, that's all they can do, and no one is going to wipe the Earth clean. That's not how this works. Sadly the only thing most humans can think of is the same "transhuman" technological garbage, when that's not the problem. The problem is primarily moral when you see its public presentation: too many people who are determined do not want society to be livable, and they have successfully insisted that everyone else who wants enough security to even exist must remain silent as the program continues. Under the surface, there is a far more basic problem: the conditions of life in human society are not compatible with any sort of growth or potential. Humans would have to change, at a minimum, their most basic habits of communication. The habits of communication are changing, but they are changing in the worst possible way, because it was illegal for us to say that we can think for ourselves about how we speak. Education ensured that a rigid pedagogy would become more violent, and that was a choice. You could conceive of an education that was conscious of this problem and taught people of it, but those certain people work every day to insist you're not allowed to disrupt the program, and you're supposed to stand and die as they do this to you and laugh.

>>25332
What an esoteric post. I just don't get how learning Newtonian physics would result to everything you've said.

>>25333
Learning is not education. I can learn on my own time about Isaac Newton, but none of that is education. Education is not the act of the student, but the teacher's admission of that student's knowledge and proof to society. I can think and know whatever I want, but if I am not socially valid, nothing I say or think matters. I can say the truth until my face is blue and they'll just say "retarded" until I give up. In this manner, humanity has continued throughout its recorded history. This never can change. The only thing that can change is that other humans ask themselves if this is the society they want. Education has nothing to do with meritocracy or technocracy, in any way that requires education to be anything else. Education is at its core an aristocratic function, and it is in some sense an act of labor. The lowest class as a rule is barred from education, which is exactly my point. No one cares if a retard thoroughly understands where Newton came from. A retard is always retarded, forever. That is the rule.

>>25253
Has anyone here read this book? How do you debunk it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_Against_Education

You guys pay for education?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna's_Archive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Library

>>25360
why would you have to debunk it? to preserve a failed experiment?

>>25313
>>25313
You didn't read my post. Education is about teaching the prevailing ideology which today is capitalism - yes its anti blue collar/anti left because the capitalist ruling class needs you to work in their offices and work in their factories. If you already knew how to apply these things irl then you wouldn't have a market to apply for these things

The backing up of real world applications and applying it towards education SHOULD be a real thing, but ultimately will do no good unless capitalism is abolished first. From there education should focus on things that are needed to uplift and continue a communist society including real world application to things

>>25253
how about an actual communist program instead of trying to set the prices of this or that commodity lol