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Is all radfem literature like this?

This shit is some of the most ludicrous, hyperbolic grievance mongering I have ever read. There's interesting shit floating around in here, but it is drifting in a sea of "every man is a wife-beating rapist who caused all the world's problems." Even though the book is directly comparing Zionism and feminism and seems to advocate for a lady Israel, it's mostly just couched in whining about men. Dworkin doesn't even have the fucking stones to be a strong Zionist. She's one of these wishy-washy Zionists who thinks that Zionists and Palestinians can co-exist, and maybe one day Israeli and Palestinian women can come together and unite against their REAL enemy: men! (lol) (lmao)

the moment you understand women who complain about men too much are on the same spiritual level as incels is the moment everything makes sense.

incels are irrationaly angry at women, women can do the same and be irrationaly angry at men, women just have more hyperbolic arguments to use to mask their mental illness.

when I see a woman saying all men are trash in my mind I'm talking to an incel, there is no difference.

>>25742
it must suck to be a woman because you don't know if men just value you for sex, it's as if they're trapped in the sexual object box

>>25744
It has less to do with sex and with thymos. If you're sexualized but you get loads of money from it you'll feel very happy about it because it gives you megalothymia, i.e feeling to dominate other people. On the contrary if you're sexualized but you get nothing out of it you feel like you've been used and treated less than your peers. This is why some people find sexualization degrading and other find sexualization empowering

>>25745
It's the same thing with AMABS. Most of the men complaining about sexualization of men are ugly men. Good looking men dont whine about sexualization of men because it allows them to fuck a lot of women, which gives them a positive self image and a feeling of megalothymia over normies and women.

>>25746
In conclusion; the state needs to provide sexual welfare to ugly women and men! Give everyone a monthly blowjob/cunnilingus quota

>>25743
/thread

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>>25742
>hyperbolic grievance mongering
What did you expect? You are reading a book writen by a fucking goblina.

incel/femcel screeds are just fetish smut and basically indistinguishable from the self-identifying stuff that imagines some alternate gender status quo like omegaverse

>>25749
I wonder how she looked like when she was younger since she apparently was prostituted when she was younger by her anarchist boyfriend. She was apparently also molested as a little girl which may explain a lot of her views.

>Is all radfem literature like this?
No. Read Dialectic of Sex.

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>>25751
She looked like a Jewish tomboy

>>25753
So better looking then?

>>25754
I mean if that is your taste, she wasn't as overweight so that's a win in most peoples books

>>25742
Yes hetero males are a problem

Would Ozempic saved her?

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Is there a Dworkin discourse going on on twitter, I just saw a thread about her there. I am going to copy it here as I think it is an actually intelligent critique as opposed to misogynist screeching about how she wasnt fuckable enough ITT.

>There is something to be said about the fact that the lost granddaughters of radical feminism obsess over Dworkin's bibliography but rarely engage with the works of the actual founders of the movement. Excerpt above is from Ellen Willis, one of the Redstockings co-founders. To be fair, the whole 1984 essay is an evaluation of the misteps of radical feminism, from its theoretical affiliations, politics and unfolding during the 70s. Here is Butler, 1992, on MacKinnon and Dworkin: [see picrel]

>Butler, on 2024 (Who's Afraid of Gender?), stresses that while MacKinnon is and Andrea was transinclusive thinkers, highlights that even though there is distortion in the GC adoption of their work, the pratical political affiliaitons with the right were premeditated by them. Even though you do find transinclusivity in the Dworkin's wonder, one wonders why she wrote a blurb for Janice Raymond's The Transsexual Empire, which remains the firm theoretical ground for Gender Critical rhetoric. Or better yet: why she didn't criticize it? I know that Andrea's writing can be captivating. It is powerful, a ruthless description of male violence and domination, and I will contend that some aspects of her work can shed light on this. I still think that Right Wing Women is her better work, though, and very useful to expose the logic behind the driving force of the Gender Critical and TERF movements today. Yet, it is entirely dishonest to only look at her writings, to not think on the effects of her political activity and stance. It is not distortion all the way down. While her writing can be great at exposing misoginy, I don't think her work can be separated from a strong polarized sex metaphysics, that, as Willis pointed out, reify the sex-class paradigm. Butler calls it behaviorism, there is an obvious social determination behind it all. That is why I don't used and think that the most damaging concept in this tradition is the "socialization" idea, it flattens out the sexed experience, tending to pretend that "males" and "females" have a firmly homogeneous childhood-youth experience.So yes, Dwrokin has been criticized. By her predecessors and her sucessors. Keep in mind that Butler was a radfem and is a lesbian, and it was exactly this perspective that allowed her to perceive all the shortcomings and implicit aspects of Dworkin and MacKinnon's thought.

>>25758
>dworkin is le bad because she didn't care for transhumanists
I still prefer the mysoginist ad hominem argument.

>>25759
Yeah I know you do.

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Not only radfem literature, Marxist-feminist literature is the only kind of feminist literature that's somewhat sane.

>moved to a dead board
Does one of the mods have a soft spot for Dworkin?


>>758385
Then don't be an object
Like they can't rape you legally. If you have higher standards how can anyone objectify you? At least in that way

Y'all just don't wanna call a woman a gooner. Women are huge gooners. And I don't have to feel bad for a gooner that was completely your own doing so too bad. No love for whores. Just disease and gaslighting


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