of course most /pol/tards side with caser's legion but looking at it almost every single faction is awful one way or the other, The NCR is literally a reboot of America that is in the middle of a manifest destiny, House is a egotistical maniac and probably appeals to Musk bros and Yes man is just a libertarian wet dream
502 posts and 111 image replies omitted.>>42681i too, am a hipster, so i approve your list.
>>13127The Legion is not more economic right then The Enclave, The Enclave are a parody of American jingoism, Reagan area larpers who literally live on a oil rig, while the Legion throw fucking sticks at people like cavemen.
Who the fuck made this?
>>44514Legion is stuck with a slave economy while the Enclave is atleast capitalist, which makes the Enclave more left-wing if the economic right axis is seen as synonymous with a regression of modes of productions.
>>44490>OhioThe bombs could only have improved things
>>44520I dig the classic Fallout vibes of the Ohio worldspace
>>13127Is this mandela effect or people just forgot?
but i could swear in Fallout 2 you get a little context in some Mexican cartel raiders who survived the bombs by sheltering under the mines
this continues in Fallout New California fan-dlc which until now i've thought of Mexican mines as Mexico's vaults.
Anyone seen the new trailer?
>>44897 Which one I'm not at home atm
>>44898New Fallout TV trailer. Looks like House winning is canon. I haven't seen the rest my self
>>44900I watched it just now, seems pretty good
Looks like House got the platinum chip
>>44900why doesnt house look like a dry churro anymore?
>>44902oh yeah they fucked up by having the face move
>>44903i meant this
last time i saw him he looked like an old asparagus and he magically became young again?
>>44904The scenes when hes young are like flashback scenes to before the war
>>44901>Looks like House got the platinum chipG A Y
>>44904house invented crispr cell rejuvination
New 76 Ohio update with Walter Goggins just dropped but apparently the servers were so ass barely anyone could play and they turned them off for maintenance
I just heard Ella Purnell speak and shes got a British accent what the fuck
Josh Sawyer should be allowed to kill Chris Avellone on national broadcast television.
>>44902>why doesnt house look like a dry churro anymore?Because it's a brain upload not his original self. In the show he says his physical body
had to be left behind because it was too much of a target, and he threw in some comments about all the ways players can kill House in the game. They said that season 2 wasn't going to overwrite and invalidate the choices the player could make but obviously that's not possible. They just chose to go with a storyline where any possible outcome from the game is irrelevant rather than picking one as canon. Like how Caesar is dead, but the cause isn't said and he's a skeleton so it could have been the tumor or the player or some other random shit if you chose to save him.
>>45999Havent even watched the show but quickly glanced at synopsis, saw the last sentence is "In a post-credits scene, Dane retrieves Liberty Prime blueprints for Quintus." and my eyes rolled so hard I could see my cranium.
>>38956>>38963The Legion is such a disappointingly bad faction. Everything Caesar says is bullshit, he's just some random guy who lucked his way to the top of a bunch of tribals so he can LARP as the equivalent of a Roman usurper. There's no reason to support his petty despotism unless you're bored or an edgelord who thinks slavery, mass rape and crucifixions are a reasonable alternative to paying taxes.
It'd be much better if it was replaced with a confederation of midwestern tribals or farming townships who united in opposition to the NCR. Maybe give them an explicitly Mormon, agrarian philosophy to counterpose to NCR's urban cosmopolitanism. There's an old post-apoc novel called The Long Tomorrow which did that, had the USA revert to a Mennonite farming society in the aftermath of a nuclear war which destroyed all the major cities.
>>46030The Legion is basically a parody of reaction. It's very close to the shit that recently came out in the Epstein files about how the whole reactionary movement is astroturfed by a handful of guys exploiting legions of morons to support their power.
No matter how bad the Legion is though doesn't make the NCR a good faction, as it was also designed as a parody of the US empire in a state of decadent rot. The Fallout show being unabashedly pro-NCR (and specifically using the Legion as a counterpoint to argue this) is a really funny example of missing the point.
>>46030well that's why the endgame of his faction is basically that you become his successor and get the loyalty of his right hand man,that's supposed to be the attractive part,becoming the new despot
the ncr is objectively the best faction
>but ncr is repeat of the old world
Despite ceasers cope, I dont think anything good will come out of the legion.
>>46031>>46034It's forgivable given the current stupid state of IRL bourgeois politics, but the Legion is still lame from a science fiction storytelling perspective about actually having contrasting ideologies.
Fallout Sonora is a lot better about having an antagonist faction that the player character might logically sympathize with.
the only praise ive seen for the fallout tv show is like if the RLM video on rogue one was sincere
>>46065I don't think you're actually supposed to potentially sympathize with the Legion. It's more a question of whether the presence of a Stupid Evil faction justifies the problems of a regular liberal/imperial faction.
>>46068Why would I join a faction I don't sympathize with? If I wanted to play second fiddle to a despot I'd work for Mr. House.
If the Legion was unjoinable like the Enclave in FO2 it'd be okay. That was a Stupid Evil faction but played mostly for laughs. But New Vegas plays the Legion entirely seriously, and so chudded out gamers take it seriously, wishing they could 'see the Legion lands' and arguing that Caesar totally wasn't sexist just because women under his care were enslaved and raped. It's another failure of liberals to coherently critique reaction.
>>46069If you take Caesars rhetoric for the Courier at face value, his first priority is denying the NCR access to the Mojave and drive it to its breaking point, so it is forced to shed its old world characteristics and adopt to the semi-tribal/semi-agricultural conditions of the wasteland.
The second is claiming an "urban" territory in the Strip, that would ostensibly allow the Legion tribes to construct a centralized government bureaucracy in the same way the NCR did in Shady Sands and gradually transition towards an agrarian economy. From this angle criticizing the brutality of the Legion would be like criticizing the NEP benefitting kulaks, but i think we all know Caesar is no Lenin.
Personally i would say it's a gamble. The khans, the powder gangers, hell even the super mutants could form superior political and economic structures. What distinguishes the NCR and Legion from all of the other factions are their resources and scope, which on the one hand allow for far greater levels of centralization and urbanization, but on the other hand make them "too big too fail" on their own. Ultimately it is hard to say if the fall of either the NCR or of the Legion would produce anything worthwhile or simply lead to more regression and fragmentation.
>>46071The problem is there is no 'dialectics' between the Legion and NCR. The Legion didn't arise out of the contradictions of the Republic, but out of foreign tribes united by a single warlord. They're more like the barbarians under Alaric or Odoacer. And Caesar is a 4 INT retard who completely misunderstands Roman history, American history, and Hegelian dialectics (but you can't call him out on that, which is lame).
>>46072To be fair Caesar has a 4 int probably because of the brain tumor, he was probably at least 6 int when he was conquering Arizona, also he is an NCR citizen originally
>>46070If you convince the Great Khans to leave the Mojave they become a real civilization and empire in the north
Bethesda hates the west coast but I kinda would love for Fallout 5 to be in Arizona either as Legion is collapsing or afterwards
>>46075I like the idea of a fallout set in Florida, dealing with nukroks, megacondas, and a communist run post Cuba.
>>46078Another good one would be Louisiana, you could have a faction like the Kings but for Duke Ellington, Muddy Waters, or Robert Johnson, Haitians, Creole and Cajun remnant communities. Angola could be the locale for a DLC.
Is Fallout 4 worth playing? I liked 1, 2, 3, I loved New Vegas, but from what I saw of 4 it is a looter shooter, not an RPG game.
>>46080Not inaccurate. It's a much simpler game and really light on role playing comparatively.
>>46079Oh yeah, that's a good idea. Newk Orleans.
>>46080I've been playing it lately. Sunk about 80 hours into it, but only because it's totally brainless, so I've just been blazing up and blasting raiders.
The survival mode might make it more engaging, and I haven't tried any mods for it.
It really pisses me off that you can't really clean up or fix a lot of the settlements. Like in Sanctuary, houses perpetually have leaves and junk in them. I hate how everything looks so shitty. Yeah, it's the post apoc, but there's no reason for everything to look so shitty all the time. For some reason it drives me crazy.
But yeah, overall it's the theme park version of fallout. Roleplaying is basically nonexistent and the story mostly sucks anyway. But if you're okay with a light power fantasy shooter then you should be good.
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