No.29202
>>13142i think that downplaying singular cultural structures that arose as tribes in the mojave and supporting one of the major factions that will erradicate their uniqueness is too close to colonialism
>>13176your comment has some merit. i believe that cesar is extremely pragmatic, and would be able to steer society in a more moderate direction as a political strategy to reduce friction
reactionary dictatorships were seen to fail aswell, if the society he built manages to stray towards a high tension moment hell do everything to remain as an important figure, even if he must change his behaviour and appear as a "reformist" king of the people. this too can become a seed for revolutionary struggle. charismatic latin american autocrats like juan domingo peron and getulio vargas come to mind
No.29695
I found a thread on /vrpg/ talking about the politics of Fallout and it's pants on head retarded.
https://boards.4channel.org/vrpg/thread/3162656 No.31700
>>27634first time I played I had ian with me, and I used him as a human shield so I never had that problem. I had a smooth playthrough considering the shit I keep hearing from other zoomers
No.31701
>>29195There are various kind of fun and immersiveness is one of them.
No.31703
>>31702maybe they shouldn't have been raider scum?
No.31704
>>31703maybe you shouldn't be some gusano ass kulak that deserves to get raided
No.32870
>>17699>>Distribute HELIOS energy to the full regionI'd actually only would distribute energy to Freeside and Westside. Reason being the Lucky 38 actually has a fully functioning fusion reactor that's activated near the end of the game that would most certainly be able to supply energy to New Vegas (and hell, Vegas already being all lit up like that is a sign that they aren't lacking energy). This is all despite the fact that having control of the dam pretty much solves the need for energy.
I agree with the other points tho. Don't forget to kill Caesar before fighting at the dam, to ensure complete Legion annihilation lol
No.32871
>>31702Funny that you said that, someone actually had a similar idea, and made a pretty big mod around it:
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/74958TL;DR: A former inmate formed an independent, good-aligned militia, and you are tasked to recruit reformable PGs and establish them as a major faction.
No.33879
>>33872Ironically you can cheese the DLC just fine if your at a lower level and just do enough avoiding.
No.33880
Is there any reason not to support the ncr?
legion:
roman larpers that will collapse when ceaser is gone. Unironically promotes slavery, and women inferiority.
bos:
technophiles that are a shadow of themselves. Literally hides in one bunker
Great khans:
yeah, nah
Mr. house:
A old world capitalist thats recreated a worser version of singapore. Is a megalomanic
Boomers:
see the great khans
No.33882
>>33880They're a capitalist bourgeois """democracy""" controlled by brahmin barons and hampered by corruption & a bloated bureaucracy.
No.33883
I think I finally understand why Ulysses hates house and the NCR
When he talks about becoming smiling faces on someone's robot, when he talks of someone who can't let go: it's because the world that House wants to bring back, keep going, died in nuclear fire. No matter how much House may want to deny it, the old world is gone, dead. The new world is made up of tribes, not a massive city overseen by a president or anything. No matter how much he wants the way of the old world to return, it can't. The NCR is more or less the same; they are trying to be a government like the United States was, yet all they got right was that there is corruption among the higher-ups.
He okay with Caesar's Legion because it's not the ghostly shadow of the world that burned itself in nuclear fire. Caesar's Legion is more or less what any one of the more violent tribes would have done, would have become, had they the know-how and the muscle to see it through. Caesar fashions himself the Caesar of old, old even by the old world's standards, and it's fine by Ulysses because it's essentially one massive tribe obeying its chieftain. Maybe that's why he doesn't really 'blame' the Legion for what it did to his own tribe: it's in the nature of the various tribes, and it's human nature essentially
No.33884
>>33883The NCR is a mostly stable society that makes up most of the west coast though.
No.33885
>>33880I support the followers
No.33893
>>33882I RATHER HAVE THAT THEN BE
legion:
enslaved
bos:
isolated
Great khans:
meme
Mr house:
casino den but megalomaniac singapore
No.33894
>>33885actually this is a decent choice, i respec t that.
No.33898
>>33894Well it's a copout since they aren't a government, and the NCR is the territory where the followers are the strongest anyways
No.33913
Could the NCR reform the United States?
No.33914
>>33913In the actual game canon, no, because that would end the series, but realistically, I see no reason why they wouldn't eventually, they have already progressed back to 20th century technology levels and realistically nothing like the legion could actually stand against a modern army. I doubt the NCR could field a massive airforce but they could sure as fuck reinvent artillery and obliterate any raiders or tribals that stood against them.
No.33921
>>33913>>33914Actually, there is a reason they can't. Unlike the early US, they don't have a population of mostly agrarian settlers. The vast majority of their population lives in urban areas and is content living there. The only NCR citizens who move further east are the stationed soldiers.
No.33926
>>33921From what I understand the NCR mainly grows by integrating the people already living in a given place, not by colonisation. There are some NCR settlers in New Vegas from my remembering but I think in the NCR victory ending they make New Vegas a state outright.
"The New California Republic celebrated its second victory at Hoover Dam, establishing definitive control over the entire Mojave Wasteland. Soon after, they negotiated terms to annex The Strip, Freeside, and many surrounding communities. The Mojave Wasteland, at long last, had entirely fallen under the NCR's banner."
No.33931
>>33926They'll shove their cocksucking flag up New Vegas' ass and call it a state. Get your head out of your cunt and read a fucking book.
No.33933
>>33931what did anon mean by this?
obviously the NCR is imperialist in some senses, it doesn't mean bringing civilisation and order back to the wastes is bad
No.33935
>>33921>Unlike the early US, they don't have a population of mostly agrarian settlers. The vast majority of their population lives in urban areas and is content living there. Isn't it like, the complete opposite? A majority of settlers from NCR tell you that, sure, work is there… if you like mining or farming. Not to mention that a lot of farmers are fled out of the NCR into New Vegas to escape the emerging kulaks, who have a firm grip on politics and are not above using mercs to bully people of their land.
That's an issue that does pop up elsewehre, for example with the leader of the rangers, Hanlon, or OSI.
>>33898>>33894>>33885The Follower situation could be interesting, since it is fairly clear that many within the NCR feel that the FoA ae overstaying their welcome, but that they can't get rid of them since they form a major part of the formers intelligencia… which the advent of the OSI ruined.
No.33936
>>33935>A majority of settlers from NCR tell you that, sure, work is there… if you like mining or farming.Not sure what else anyone would expect given how fucked the former USA is, surely farming in the NCR is better than living in a shack in the wasteland
No.34083
>10-15 minute ending slideshow (if you do everything) for a fetch-quest DLC with early 2010s reddit humorAlso yes I'm the same anon as
>>33872 every DLC is shit but these two especially. Thanks for subscribing to my video game review blog.
No.34084
>>34083long endings are good though
No.34141
>>34084It's a DLC, it's not supposed to have long endings comparable to the base game.
Not to mention, it's also the fastest DLC to fully complete (all quests, challenges, unique items, locations etc). I only noticed that recently since this last playthrough was an autistic completionist min-maxing one.
No.34142
What was the way that you guys used to reach New Vegas in your first playthrough?
I honestly think I'm the only one in existence who went through Hidden Valley, then to the Scorpion Gulch, past the El Dorado lake and then continued on normally through the 188.
No.34143
>>31703They were raiding the entity who had them in chains lmao.
>>31702Nobody knows about this version of events because they show up at the start of the game and are portrayed as the fodder enemies hassling the poor townsfolk. Even without gamer brain, you'd still have to go out of your way to talk to them to realize there's an option besides killing them, and once you do that you are hard-locked out of their content. They might have been meant to be better fleshed out. A lot of stuff was cut from the game.
No.34146
>>31702>>34143The thing about the Powder Gangers is that they aren't really just one faction. There are 2 big groups with a coherent organisation with the rest being small bands in camps and roads that answer to no one.
The first of the big ones are that of Eddie's in the NCRF. These are anti-NCR, of course, but they're also raiders who harass towns not affiliated with the NCR like Goodsprings and Nipton (or used to for the last one), and also caravans.
The second one is that of Samuel Cooke in Vault 19. Cooke is who led the prisoner revolt in the first place, and then left NCRF with a group to the Vault. Under Cooke when the game is first started, they don't raid and are hostile to the NCR (infact they aren't even technically a part of the in-game Powder Ganger faction, so you can kill Eddie and most southern Powder Gangers without making Cooke's group hostile). The group is currently split between Cooke's faction who want to join the Great Khans, and Philip Lem's faction who want to surrender to the NCR. You can help either Cooke or Lem, ignore the quest, or blow up the Vault. Doing any of the latter two will result in the Vault 19 group becoming raiders in the endings, though.
No.34148
>>34143>They were raiding the entity who had them in chains lmao.They were mostly sent to prison for raiding IIRC.
No.34180
>>34083Thematically Dead Money is great and fits perfectly with the main story, but I agree it isn't very fun to play. Never cared for the other DLCs either.
No.34517
All of the fallout games are 75% off on steam. I'm going to grab all of them up to FNV but what's the verdict on 4 and 76?
No.34518
>>34517FO4 is 'ok', if you're bored you can get fun out of it, but in retrospect it's not particularly memorable, the story isn't very good and the characters are silly. If you had fun with Starfield you can enjoy FO4
No.34524
>>34517Expect Bethesda rather than Interplay or Obsidian and you'll have a good time
No.34526
>>34518Thanks. That about sums up how i felt playing it on PS4 when it was new but I was hoping the modders on PC had salvaged it.
>>34524I've only ever known Bethesda's Fallout 😭
picrel, a pretty good haul if you ask me
No.34527
meant to add, I own 2 but still haven't gotten over how old school it is enough to play it yet. one day
No.34528
>>34526I didn't play it with mods TBF so I'm sure there are ones that make it better.
I'm so fucking bored right now, tell me if you find anything decent to play
No.34530
I take it no one has played 76? I wouldn't even be asking about it as it was pretty widely panned when it was released but surprisingly it has crawled up to a 'mostly positive' rating on steam
>>34528Not to derail but ya Im in the same boat. I know my buddy is having fun with the new Rimworld DLC but i dont like Rimworld and him talking about it just made me want to play Factorio, i guess cuz its another isometric resource management game. Another game thats coming to mind is Kerbal Space Program 1
You probably dont want game recs from me my most played game by a wide margin is Victoria 2 idk if you get down like that (autism)
No.34532
>>34530I actually looked at the Rimworld DLC but I don't really like horror and the last DLCs just seemed lame to me. Overall Rimworld is just kinda IDK, ehhhhh, I tried to play it like a year ago and I just was bored after like 15 hours without really doing anything
No.34535
>>34526I never really bothered with mods for Fallout 4 aside from bugfixes, the first half of this guide covers everything important
https://themidnightride.moddinglinked.com/They also have a guide for an FNV overhaul and a modlist that lets you play FO3 and FNV in the same game, I haven't tried them but I hear they're good. Other than that, there's a settlement overhaul called Sim Settlements that just released a big update and is supposed to be excellent:
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/73394 No.34541
Bethesda games are peak when you execute the uninstaller.
No.34545
>>34535This list is so fucking large. Just driving the point that FO4 is fundamentally fucked tbh.
No.34576
Im totally going to give 1 and 2 a fair shake, currently restarting after getting killed after aggroing Killian somehow but man the lack of any real exploring of the wasteland is a bummer cuz that's 90% of why I like fallout. Still, enjoying it so far.
>>34535Thanks anon. Not sure if its in that modlist but I saw someone on twitter recommend a mod called Better Locational Damage for removing bullet sponges which was always a gripe I had with the Bethesda games
>>34545Ya its crazy that most of that is just to fix the game I was thinking more along the lines of overhaul mods cuz I recall not being a fan of the map or story.
No.34577
>>34535FO4 is too fundamentally broken to fix with your typical mods tbh. Maybe any mods at all depending on how much support there is. When it came out there was none. You would essentially have to gut the core mechanics.
No.34582
>>33933muh civilization and order
No.34583
>>34582yeah let's all scratch in the dirt instead, and be at the mercy of deranged slavers
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