I just beat this game, I remember seeing another discussion thread about this game but I can't find it, but I want to talk about the game, full spoilers.
Incredible and legendary game. I still listen to the 3 different Whirling-In-Rags themes on repeat.
https://youtu.be/_9-SgkvM8Mwhttps://youtu.be/u998cggd37Mhttps://youtu.be/_VKE26p4YogMy favorite fun fact about this game is that the portrait for the Inland Empire skill is a visual representation of the Pale; that mirrors its concept of gaining insight into invisible things.
>>26683>HegelAlso a midwit filter.
Only midwits waste their time with non-great writers. Read some Plato, Dostoevsky, Schopenhauer, Faulkner, Rulfo, etc.
>>26682spoken like a true brainlet who's never contributed anything to the world.
>>26686It's been many years since I've played the game but IIRC it's a "miasma" that is consuming the world and makes it devoid of life/matter? Beyond that, the wiki article is more help than I would be:
https://discoelysium.fandom.com/wiki/PaleBut this thread is making me want to play the game again haha.
This dude did nothing wrong (other than call me a libcuck because I played the boombox)
>>26686It's basically an expanding zone of nothingness where everything from physical laws to matter turns to nonsense the further in they go, and shit gets lost in there like radio transmissions, people's voices and thoughts, phone calls, etc. Basically a giant anomalous zone with a gradient of how much it affects matter and physics. But eventually you end up on the other side and into another island of matter containing oceans, islands, continents, etc.
>>26697I'm still mad he wouldn't let me save him by sending him to the one communist state left because it was a "degenerated workers state".
Come on.
>>27300Maybe the immediate motive, but seeing as he was basically the revolutionary version of a Japanese holdout, and despite his deteriorating mental state he kept his weapon in good condition, remained relatively up to date on happenings in the harbor, correctly identified and eliminated a bourgeois vampire is pretty impressive.
He's the mirror image of Rene except he does something with the dying years of his life instead of accepting his fate as an antiquated fossil. All of the reactionaries like Rene and Gary never do anything to further their worldview and neither do most of the communists, only the old partisan ever does anything concrete, and he ends up driving the events of the entire game with just one shot.
>>27316The dude getting killed is what brings Harry and Kim to the scene, without them the mercs would have wiped the floor with the Hardie boys and nobody would realize why Martinaise was suddenly erupting in violence because it was being ignored by the authorities. And nobody would have found the
hole in the church and realized what it was without Harry's involvement.
>>26766now that Kurvitz got FUCKED by the porkies I wanna steal the int prop and make an illegal game set in that world…
also here's the novel he wrote in 2013.
Revachol gets nuked 20 years after Disco Elysium >>30739Lol, this reminds me of when I played 'White Gold' (Xenus 2) like nearly 20 years ago and there was randomly a plot related NPC in a bar in it that ranted to you about how the ideosphere/noosphere was a literal real thing and that's where ideas come from.
Then again I was a dumbass kid so maybe I misunderstood what he was talking about lol.
>>30741Okay never mind, it only came out in 2008, feels like a lifetime ago though lol
watch this intro if you want an out of body experience
>>30838Inland Empire for one is less magical than it appears, it seems like it can tell the future or access information you couldn't know, but it mainly tells you things
you already knew before the memory destroying benderShivers is indeed para-natural, it is a direct line of communication with
the genius loci of Revachol Disco Elysium studio has reportedly canceled a standalone expansion to the beloved RPG as potential layoffs loom
A new report suggests that the threat of dozens of layoffs looms at ZA/UM, as the studio has canceled the development of a standalone expansion to its beloved RPG Disco Elysium.
GLHF at Sports Illustrated reports that ZA/UM has canceled a project known internally as X7, which would've been a standalone expansion to Disco Elysium. According to the report, studio president Ed Tomaszewski told staff the project was "one to two years away from completion" and might have taken "more time and effort than Disco Elysium did."
The report suggests that ZA/UM also canceled a full Disco Elysium sequel in 2022 and put development of a "new sci-fi IP" on hold in 2023. Two new projects, one of which is still connected to the Disco Elysium IP, are said to remain in development.
"With the cancellation of X7 we are proposing to reshape our team to support our two remaining games," CEO Ilmar Kompus told employees in a message published by GLHF. "This adjustment will almost certainly lead to redundancies, mostly affecting the X7 team but also our non-development teams and non-X7 projects." The report estimates that around 24 employees are at risk of being laid off.
While Disco Elysium was heralded as an instant classic upon its release in 2019, the story at ZA/UM has been fraught with controversy thanks to a messy split between the studio and some of its creative leads in 2022. Allegations of fraud and toxic management flew back and forth between the two parties, and the story only seemed more complicated in the wake of an extensive documentary in 2023 from the folks at People Make Games. Whatever the truth of the situation, reports like this don't paint an inspiring picture for the studio's fortunes.
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>>33719>be Estonian>publish communist propaganda>it gets popular>thank Marx and Engels>shitstorm ensuesI'm actually surprised it's not dead yet.
Baltics. Not even once.
>>33723Thanks.
The biggest joke to me that they didn't see how this would inevitably end to begin.
Some marxists. Lol.
>>33800Yea I cry at that last (penultimate? Or is the last scene with the cops more of an epilogue? It feels there for game reasons more than story reasons) scene every time.
Not that uncommon for other arts but something for me very rare that video games have been able to achieve.
>>33908He's more than a miracle.
He's Hobocop.
>>26672I really wanted to like it. But it reminded me how much I hate reading novels.
I really had my heart set on screwing with the NPCs and wreaking havoc. But I gave up after getting lost in the bosses office.
I think I lost the game to an uncomfortable chair.
>>34174>thats how i died the first time too. but then i became obsessed with it after that happened lelLmao exactly the same.
Tbh I thought it was gonna be low quality meme shit just from seeing memes on this site, never thought I'd get so in to it.
>>34242You: I'm sorry you have to sit here on the ice, feeling miserable. At your age –or at any age –in this weather… waiting for it to get dark.
She looks you in the eye, her pupils wide, surrounded by a ridiculous amount of make-up
You: The people who build this world intended it to be better for you, but they failed. It is easier to live in their failure with this by your side." (Tap on the tape recorder).
The wind howls. She remains silent.
Empathy: It's real. Tell her.
You: It is not a childish fantasy. It can be a real weapon against what's coming for you now
Acele: "What is…? "Her shoulders shake a little.
You: Nothing, if you got this. Don't be scared.
Acele: Okay.
Her teeth rattle. She takes the device from you and places it in her lap
Acele: "I'll stick to it"
>>34350Yea playing this only a year ago I was like damn, so could have has this spoilered by the Internet, glad I never did.
Ioved planescape as a kid, think it contributed to my love of this game.
The game now has a microtranshumanist store in its menu..
>>35307>24:00 le politics is badI didn't know moralists made youtube videos
>57:30 commissars le shot their own men for no reason>look at this totally reliable white propaganda poster>'member enemy at the gates?I also find it amusing that the video maker rejects inframaterialism despite being a subjectivist. the world of DE
runs on belief, much like Planescape. revolutionary crops
do exist. you
do have to kill the unbelievers. the essayist of course doesn't get the joke. long live the immortal religion of Mazov-Nielsen thought!
>>35386Go to a poor area sometime, there are kids like that. Especially when you're a cop. IDK what you mean about the writing and acting, I thought it was good personally, all open to opinion though.
It's good you refunded it though since the current owners of the IP stole it.
Disco Elysium’s most disappointing flaw:
I should be able to fuck the hole in the world.
Look, just hear me out.
The game introduces the plot point of a hole in the world, and confirms that I am playing as a character in possession of a penis.
It lets me wear a jacket that says FUCK THE WORLD.
The hole itself is called THE SWALLOW.
It even has a crab(man) living around it, clambering louse-like through the rafters, sustained by its vicinity.
It’s sexualized!
And yet I spent my whole playthrough braced for it and not ONCE did I ever get the option to try to fuck the world’s swallowing hole. Worse, I didn’t even get the opportunity to discuss it, or even THINK about fucking it.
I realize it’s 2mm across. I also know from experience that foreplay and lubrication can do wonders for aperture size. If the mega-rich light-bending guy can warp physics around him, then it’s not out of the question that reality can be a little elastic, right?
The hole. Fuck the world. The swallow. Hello?! It’s RIGHT THERE. (It’s already full of Pale stuff, so…)
My complaint isn’t that I can’t literally, successfully, actually fuck The Swallow—but the in-game silence on the subject is deafening. Surely Electrochemistry would at least toy with the idea. Going through with it would probably kill or otherwise you… but what if it didn’t? If the Pale can be held at bay by the human ecstasy of dance, maybe a little 👉👌 attention would help it, I don’t know… relax…?
The fact that the game doesn’t even acknowledge the possibility, however absurd, haunts and vexes me months after I finished my playthrough. The world just goes on unfucked. And I think that’s a despicable oversight.
>>35399>the holeI believe that "hole" is what they call "pale", something that is less than nothing. Where the laws of physics and logic start to not make any sense at all. If you were to say, "enter" this hole, it would probably be like entering a
black hole . That would mean you would probably get teleported to Equestria. Or die.
>>35307I started watching this just yesterday oddly.
Concluded its an experimental piece where he says what is the opposite of what the game is about for ?????? reasons.
For bonus points scroll down to the comments; pure specimens.
>>35412Cool guy, unfortunately he is not a "communist" and clearly does not appreciate mazovian socio economics. Even though we work in the Ravacholian citizens Militia. I was talking to Mananã and when we were talking about politics he pointed to a trashcan and said "this is the smell of communists" or something. There is basically 3 or 4 moments in the game Kim gets really emotional in my playthrough, and talking about the commune of Ravachol and Communism in general seams to make him lose his composure.
Cool guy though, very cool man. Helped me a lot, could not resolve the case without him.
>>35332On one hand Kim thinks of himself as some kind of enlightened centrist and seems to be allergic to any kind of political struggle but on the other, he is a hardcore loyalist to the RCM and greatly respects Pryce.
Ultimately I think he would just go along with whatever Harry chooses even if he doesn't want to, just like in most of the game.
>>36615target and burn their homes
i.e. this includes mexicans, chinese, and indians for americans
scabs and immigrants are completely different things. Asking because of
>>>/leftypol/1907434 and >>1907407, asking how to deal with scabs.
Immigrants are not privileged at all, the global inequalities in the world are causes of misery and poor salaries everywhere in the world, in conditions similar to slavery. Nothing like the scabs, that don't disrupt and destroy union organizations to have something to eat. They are trained paramilitary, psychopaths that kill and just bring violence.
>>36622>Immigrants are not privileged at all, the global inequalities in the world are causes of misery and poor salaries everywhere in the world, in conditions similar to slaverynone of this is marxist, this paragraph is just pure libspeak
immigration does cause a decrease in wages, this is not up for debate, the problem is the stupid conclusions many proletarians arrive at from this fact because of mystified social relations
< Your great obstacle in America, it seems to me, lies in the exceptional position of the native workers. Up to 1848 one could only speak of the permanent native working class as an exception: the small beginnings of it in the cities in the East always had still the hope of becoming farmers or bourgeois. Now a working class has developed and has also to a great extent organised itself on trade union lines. But it still takes up an aristocratic attitude and wherever possible leaves the ordinary badly paid occupations to the immigrants, of whom only a small section enter the aristocratic trades. But these immigrants are divided into different nationalities and understand neither one another nor, for the most part, the language of the country. And your bourgeoisie knows much better even than the Austrian Government how to play off one nationality against the other:< Jews, Italians, Bohemians, etc., against Germans and Irish, and each one against the other, so that differences in the standard of life of different workers exist, I believe, in New York to an extent unheard-of elsewhere. And added to this is the total indifference of a society which has grown up on a purely capitalist basis, without any comfortable feudal background, towards the human beings who succumb in the competitive struggle: “there will be plenty more, and more than we want, of these damned Dutchmen[A], Irishmen, Italians, Jews and Hungarians”; and, to cap it all, John Chinaman[B] stands in the background who far surpasses them all in his ability to live on next to nothing.https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1892/letters/92_03_30.htm >>36647Just finished first play-though. Got Cuno's respect. Killed
one merc, saved Kit from another, three unionists died, no other deaths. Got a very lucky roll and
discovered a new species. Got an overall good-ending even if Kitty ratted me out as
a blatant communist.
>>27310>All of the reactionaries like Rene and Gary never do anything to further their worldview>>30829The irony of a poverty-striken fellow praising the invisible hand of the market was not lost on me.
>>32009Fan art often ignores character. it's tragic, really. I remember Kazerad talking about how the main character of Prequel Adventure:
"I don't want to crush anyone's headcanon, but Katia isn't supposed to be incredibly attractive. She's not drawn all curvy and contrapposto like Sigrid because she doesn't look that way. She just looks like Katia."To which someone replies:
"It's weird because when I try to draw characters more like the way you draw them, people keep telling me bigger tits, harder bodies, narrower waists, etc. "There's a constant recuperating force, just melding all art into a mediocre conventionally-attractive handsome man or curvy watermelon-titted woman. It's sad to see.
>>36716That's true, although it also adds reply value.
>>34156>>34174I can't help but love a game that trolls the player like that, as long as it's not the whole schtick.
>>36717Lots of secondary characters that are "neoliberal" are beggars, dealers, criminals, child abusers, corrupt moralintern officials, and bootlickers from wild pines.
Am i forgetting someone?
>>36720Who is the first woman?
I dont remember her
>>36724a "resident" of cape side apartments, Real Estate Agent (Marielle Charpentier).
"A representative of Revacholian landlording class, Marielle absolutely detests having to put up with Harrier. She is currently trying to clean up the apartment for rental, popping low-grade performance enhancers likely Preptide or Pericanine, but is absolutely burdened having to do low-grade labor. Especially after another of her subordinates screwed up locking down a foreclosed apartment and allowed the tenant to take his belongings after the Realty Associates tried to steal and auction them."
https://discoelysium.fandom.com/wiki/Marielle_Charpentier I might be wrong, but she might be lying when she says she is a "real state agent", since the cleaning lady never heard of such a thing, and asked you to see if there were any intruders into the apartment.
When you knock in her apartment, she remains silent to avoid being discovered, i believe.
And then, after you find her, she leaves in a hurry. You can only talk with her once before she leaves.
Capeside apartments are not a lucrative venture. Most rooms are in rubles, the sealing falling and the walls can barelly contain the outside coldness. Most residents don't pay rent, for example Cuno's dad and Cindy the skull, both extremely poor.
So i believe, that she is just a homeless person, just like most in Ravachole. People are always trying to find new locations to sleep in the abandoned ruins, like the "main antagonist"".
But that is just my theory.
>>36720Went into the game thinking Joyce would be the villain of the story for being a corporate lackey and kinda looking like Margaret Thatcher but she's legit pretty helpful to the player, gives out the lion's share of the game's lore and you can see she holds some sympathy for the communards and their failed cause even if she's an ultralib.
In contrast there's Evrart, the union leader who's just a corrupt asshole and antagonizes the player right out of the bat. The game is legit so well written it made me consider switching my political alignments simply because of how much I liked or disliked the characters.
>>36727Yes, Joyce is very nice. She doesn't help at all in "the trial", but that is a minor point.
I personally like Evrart a lot. Very corrupt rat, yes, but practical too. Got this whole plan to shut down the harbour, start something big, start a true revolt.
The only problem is that his methodies are not that pretty
Selling drugs, taking land from the poor and sell it to multinational contracts for proffit, having an "eye" on everything that happens, being corrupt, hiring the main antagonist to kill people, etc.
But nothing is always fair in war. He is a fat boy, but he is a union man. A true socialist.
>>35386>>35392>Go to a poor area sometime, there are kids like that.Yep, I played basketball in a youth centre (I was around when they were playing and joined in) and one of the kids, I guess 10-13yo, was just casually yelling the most horrible shit where you would expect light banter at worst. Not just the words themselves, but that they screamed them. I don't even think they were trying to offend anyone, they probably didn't understand the weight of what they were parroting, but you can't help get a bit concerned.
Kids learn shit from their environment. When their parents are racists, or homophobic or abusive, that stuff can rub off so casually that a kid doesn't even question it, or often even know the meaning of what they say. It's normal until it's challenged or explained.
>>36728The thing is that Evrart Claire is what happens when a socialist tries to pick up the pieces of an overthrown communist state. The Claires genuinely believe in the socialist cause, but they live in an extremely hostile political climate where communism is viewed as not only harmful, but useless. If they try the old methods again, they will be ostracized and killed. So they do the next best thing: learn what they can from their predecessors (i.e. study theory with the Deserter) and apply it in new ways (i.e. a union instead of a vanguard party).
The Claires are some of the only people in Revachol who haven't surrendered to despair. They want to make things better, and have to work a delicate balancing act between building a movement that can accomplish this and staying out of the ruling government's crosshairs. And that means they have to make compromises that very often turn out ugly - nothing is fair in war, indeed.
The question isn't whether Evrart is a good person, but whether the compromises he makes will be worth it, and if they won't end up backfiring.
As a side note, one of my criticisms of the game, or perhaps myself as a detective, was experiencing a few events and discoveries in the wrong order.
>>36755>The question isn't whether Evrart is a good person, but whether the compromises he makes will be worth it, and if they won't end up backfiring.One of the interesting lines of Call Me Mañana was them saying (paraphrase) of course they're corrupt, we all know that, but they're corrupt in our favour. It really throws a wrench in liberal idealism.
>>36798wow, i never considered that! maybe there are problems with the world, i wonder if any political movements or philosophers ever had anything to say about this
>>36801yes i should have shed a tear and begged them to cease their unholy behavior. no shit it is bad, and i dont blame someone who isnt used to seeing that kind of thing for being shocked and saddened when it comes to seeing kids openly abusing substances or being genuinely violent, but unfortunately that is a normal sight anywhere in the world that has extreme poverty, which is most of the world. im not saying dont have any sensitivity to that or let your heart completely harden to it. but if you think that of all things kids SWEARING is disturbing, i can only assume you are incredibly sheltered, i have never been around any demographic of children that didnt say vile shit. part of being a kid is about wanting to explore limits, and kids are plenty capable of being very sadistic if they arent taught and encouraged to be sympathetic to others
>>36802>but if you think that of all things kids SWEARING is disturbingI don't. I did all the time. I'm not concerned that they were saying swear words, I was concerned they were casually
screaming racist attacks at the top of their lungs whenever someone dribbled a basketball around them. That shit ain't normal, at least not here.
I didn't mention the race part because they probably weren't even racist and they were saying it to people the racial term didn't even describe, they're just parroting someone. But it hits hard when you hear that from a kid. And if it weren't so normalized, even 'faggot' should hit hard when a kid says it, but again its kind of normal to hear from teens on a bus as a generalized swearword.
>>36834oh man anon, you shouldve said so thats entirely different. i apologize for going off on you about it. kids saying slurs in private is bad, let alone screaming them in public. yes that is disturbing and you should scold them for it when you see it, theyd probably laugh and mock you because thats how kids are, but kids also internalize shit even when they dont realize it and you could end up being a good influence. when i was a young kid my friends and i would throw around gay and faggot as insults, and some older sort of conservative guy we knew was like "you know if one of your friends is actually gay you might really hurt their feelings saying all that", and at the time we thought it was such a stupid and sensistive thing to say, like he didnt get the joke. now i look back on it as a good example of an adult actually acting like a responsible adult trying to influence children for the better
still i will say you started by talking about being disturbed by cuno swearing in this game which i still think is pretty ridiculous
>>36986>Iron Man made basically unlimited clean energyIIRC he kept the best of his tech for himself due to his mistrust of others with his gadgets. I imagine the Stark company is a lot like most IRL Silicon Valley startups where they'll show off a demo version of some invention and then never follow up on it
>Thor proves that gods/aliens are realDoesn't the US govt cover up Thor's arrival? That said, the NYC invasion in Avengers 1 most certainly is
not covered up, and makes aliens & Norse gods very much public information, so your point still stands. And then later on Thor pretty much settles down in Norway and instead of it becoming a place of religious reverence or theological research it's just a tourist destination lmao
>In a Captain America movie a clandestine US government agency (under the control of an even more secret society of super nazis) was revealed to have made a giant execution platform for the sole purpose of executing political dissidentsThis one is really egregious because the movie makes a huge point about how the ABC agencies and the US MIC overall are modern day fascism, up to the point where US carrier ships are almost used to murder millions of people and terrorize the rest into submission…and then in the very next movie, those same carriers are used for a heroic rescue in Eastern Europestan, with the victim of a US bombing attack saying "I guess [the agency filled with literal Nazis] isn't so bad after all!"
To the MCU's credit, the Avengers do spend more movies hunting down the remnants of Hydra, so it's not like that plot point didn't completely disappear from the world.
>Then you have Endgame or whatever and, what, a full half the population just disappears in a puff of smoke? That's apocalyptic, but you watch Spiderman or whatever and nothing's really changed.This is the worst one for me. I've always said Endgame is one of the worst MCU movies, and this is a big reason for it. Thanos's plan is so horrifically bad and should've been enough to destroy countless civilizations, but all that happens is a handful of people are sad and NYC is a bit desaturated. It comes off as though the screenwriters are misanthropists who actually think Thanos's plan would work, but is bad only because people would die. And that is not the type of message that needs to be sent as climate change gets worse and worse.
>just putting the people back isn't going to undo the total shakeup of every single aspect of a person's life.The MCU does try to follow this a good bit, but only from the perspective of the heroes and how it personally affected them. Very little is actually done about the economic & political impact of Thanos's snap story-wise (except for that Falcon & Winter Soldier show, which wasn't very good).
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