I have a weird fascination with this franchise, particularly its fans. How do they remain so loyal when there's been maybe one or two good games in the last two decades in a sea of average-to-terrible garbage released year after year? How did Sega manage to take all the wrong lessons away from their colossal fuckups of the mid-late 2000s?
>>27870Sonic colors in 13 years old already, if it was 2010 13 years ago would by 1997 for comparison
sonic generations is also pretty old too at 12 years old
so i think the only recent sonic game that is critically having a higher score is sonic frontiers
>>27867for me its partially out of nostalgia because i've liked the series ever since i was a kid, and sonic is probably the game series i know the most about too and i also write fanfiction about it
i've also made fangames too
i also keep a list of all the sonic games i've completed as well and am slowly beating all of them
its the series that i am most attached to and i don't know if that's a good thing because that might clash with my political views but i guess there is no ethical consumption under capitalism either way
>>27921>fans will always make better stuffits just this case because official sonic media suck ass
most fanfiction is shit too
>>2791590% of people (over 12) that still care about the sonic fandom are full on furries
you know I'm right
>>28224FINISHED?!?
I don't believe you.
>>28239Blaze the Cat if SEGA canon.
Hershey the Cat if Archie canon.
>>28327not them but i like the archie comics after ian flynn took over but also enjoy the idw comics, even though i think archie being written by ian flynn is better because there was more variety with what could be used in the story since there wasn't as restricted by mandates as idw was
idw is definitely more consistent of a story but i think archie was more interesting because it was a really strange sonic universe but it also felt like a fully realized world but idw doesn't
>>28245>Blaze the Cat1. Looks like a Greek statue.
2. Why do furfags always draw lighter fur on torsos?
>Hershey the Cat1. MY EYES FUCK.
2. Who TF is this?
>>28324>/MLP/fags>zoophiles for horsesI think they're like lolifags. Attracted to cartoony horses but one cannot be sure if they're attracted to real horses or not… Not like this isn't still gross.
Honestly, have no idea what's going on inside those people's heads.
>>28436Oh well yeah, I just noticed Blaze's belly is purple in her Olympics appearance. I just haven't played that game.
Tbh I have moved on from Sonic quite a long time so most of my interaction with the series nowadays is threads like this one.
>>28436Correction: Amy has tan arms.
I stand corrected.
>>28483>G4 mare faces are far closer to the kitten ideal than they are horsesWell, duh. That's my point.
>>28485>>28487In all honesty, ponyfags are much closer to zoophiles than furfags are. It's just how it is. No way am I believing that cartoony ponies don't look more like actual ponies than anthro furries do.
Plus some anthros look so close to humans that by that point the distinction is arbitrary.
>>28491>who cares even if they are.the whole fucking point of the post
>so what if I'm a horsesfucker!then you're a full bitchass zoophile horsefucker like I already said, worse then furriers
>>28492true
>>28763Nostalgia pandering again. I hate nostalgia pandering.
The Adventure and boost games were perfectly fine games, they just needed more polish. But they keep fucking up in making them all the time. Perhaps that is for the best. The fans can make these types of games better anyway.
The Sonic characters should be public domain honestly.
>>28763but where is sonic adventure 1 part 2 (aka SA3)?
sonic team should retvrn to sonic adventure 1 ASAP
>>28764>The Sonic characters should be public domain honestlybased, but I think copyleft would be a better option.
>>28768 (cont.)
The CC-BY-SA license also seems to have an anti-DRM clause, although I don't see any license that demands that the work can only be used in libre software, say. Something that will discourage the proliferation of proprietary parasitism.
https://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/CC-BY-SA >>28424I'm pretty sure like 95% of /mlp/fags that are still into the fandom would fuck a real horse if given the chance. There's that HVOP (human vagina on pony) meme, where it's like clop (porn) artists years ago when MLP was cool almost exclusively drew the ponies with human pussies and without the horse udders/teats or "ponuts" (horse assholes) but nowadays you can rarely find pony porn without semi-realistic or outright realistic anatomy for the private regions, and in fact if such an artist exists they will get hated for drawing ">HVOP".
My take is to put it bluntly I wouldn't assume someone who faps to so-called "HVOP" porn is a zoophile, but I would assume they are if they fap to realistic horse anatomy. But here's the thing — I would assume the exact same for horse cock futafags, animal genitalia anthros/monster girls and people who use animal-themed sex toys. It's like how that one vtuber, Pippa, called Agent Kochinski Agent Kochinski a horsefucker. He talks SO much about horse cock, he literally sounds like he would suck off a horse if he could.
Thankfully I'd say at least with horsefuckers, it's hard for them to get access to real horses, ergo them doing anything in real life isn't a concern. The same cannot be said for "cunnyfags", which if I was in a schizo mood I might even suggest it's possible they're some kind of glowie op targeting 4channers (I don't know about you guys but when I was a kid more than a decade ago and happened upon loli threads on /b/ and /a/ there was no explicit pedo talk like "UOHHHH CHILD PUSSY" or actual CP being posted in loli threads, nowadays whenever I happen upon a loli thread there's like a 30% chance of someone posting actual CP).
Oh and, lastly, while they might be horsefuckers, I can't remember /mlp/ ever having a strong chinlet presence and for that they should be commended.
>>28955>HVOP (human vagina on pony)it still fucking a horse, and knowing it just horses in the mlp artsyle doesn't change anything.
>I can't remember /mlp/ ever having a strong chinlet presence>chinlet if you mean /pol/fags then that not really ture
I really enjoyed the Sonic Boom cartoon. Until it got fucked over by Sega and Cartoon Network, as usual.
https://www.megavisions.net/building-a-boom-iverse-an-interview-with-sonic-writers-alan-denton-and-greg-hahn/Sega has always been the biggest problem with Sonic. It's why the movies and all the other spinoff media ended up a million times better the instant you get them away from Sega's hands.
>>29429>Until it got fucked over by Sega and Cartoon Network, as usual.It already was since ROL had it's own problems during development and the rest of 3d games being mixed with gameplay and Shattered Crystal having bad dialogue. Having 2 season is the standard, but the show was somewhat lucky to have 2 seasons
>It's why the movies and all the other spinoff media ended up a million times better the instant you get them away from Sega's hands. i disagree
I think that the issue with Sonic is that the executives over at Sega are practicing sound business techniques, and Sonic, as a franchise, can't function with "good ideas." The Super Autistic fan base requires Sonic media that breaks most traditional rules. An example I can think of off the top of my head is how DMCV, while it is a pretty game, is pretty fucking boring mechanically, but it appeals to the autists who like being hard-carried by button mashing, and doesn't ever take itself seriously so it's exploding with cringe-kino.
As much as Sonic Frontiers sucked, the first boss fight right out of the gate is cringe-kino with the unwarranted boss music, Super Sonic emulating an old fan flash video game, and just being unnecessarily bombastic. That's good presentation because, after all, why should anyone take a blue rodent that can go Super Saiyan seriously? If the rest of Frontiers was about cringe-kino set pieces rather than trying to follow the sane business model decision of open world games, it could've been great.
The business execs are retards who are so behind the curve they think its a flat plane.
>>29427>>29442Yeah I really don't get people who moralize over cartoon animals that don't really exist. It's like they have the mindset of Jack Thompson who thought GTA is causing school shootings.
Looks like i have to repost this picture.
>>29493Tbh, the Harkness Test should specify that not only a character should be proven to be able to talk but also capable of talking with humans specifically. There is a rather regular trope in animation staring both animal and human characters that the animal characters are capable of speaking to each other but not to humans, who instead hear animal sounds ex. All Dogs Go to Heaven and other Disney works. Considering this makes it much more understandable why Harkness Test is written off in regards to talking animal/feral characters.
>>29506Izuka seems to unironically want him to be Coldsteel. Edge for the sake of edge, even if it leaves him with little redeeming qualities.
>>29429Sonic Prime was great and it's a crime it got cancelled, but I guess the reason it was so good is because the execs didn't give a fuck about it.
I wish we could see more of Sticks in the comics or games.
>>29506>Sonic Prime producer Logan McPherson has described fitting Shadow in the show as a "challenge", as his character comes with a lot of restrictions. Even the invention of the shatterverse wasn't enough to make Shadow's inclusion any easier, as he's destined to always be the edgy boy we know and love. >“Shadow is Shadow. There's no changing Shadow. He is the ultimate life form. That's the way he is," McPherson tells us. "The challenge was how do we fit shadow in and have some fun?">It's also bad news for anyone who likes to see Shadow get along with his cheerier counterpart. “His relationship with Sonic…that's something that will never change. They will always remain at an arm's distance. They'll always be rivals.”https://www.thegamer.com/sonic-prime-shadow-writing/this is what happens when you get rid of maekawa, the writer responsible for making the character beloved, and replace him with iizuka, a soulless company man
>>29429>>29526sonic boom finale was brilliant, they made shadow funny without having him make a single joke
>>29587Sega had always been run by retards, especially in Japan.
Infighting ultimately is what did Sega in, and by the time they took steps to resolve the feuding the damage had been done. It really started with Sega of Japan rejecting partnerships with Sony and Silicon Graphics that SoA was trying to broker for the Sega Saturn, but the real lynch pin was SoJ telling SoA that America "wasn't ready" for the Saturn, and that they needed a new cartridge console to transition them from 16 bits to 32 bits rather than just releasing the more powerful Saturn in all regions at the same time.
SoA got SoJ to compromise by making the cartridge system by just an add on for the Genesis (32X) but it was still a huge waste of money that really hurt Sega's reputation for cranking out hardware that they didn't support with enough software, especially since everyone was holding out for the real next generation console. They really bungled the launch of the Saturn too by releasing it without even telling anyone. They did pretty much everything right with the Dreamcast, but by that point they unfortunately didn't have enough money to support a console long enough for it to bring in a profit.
>>29449Sega doesn't understand that what made people get attached to the franchise is how earnest it used to be, despite the cringe.
Eggman having a fatherly side to him only stemmed from Flynn being Frontier's head writer. He's not a good writer, but he gets it. The Japanese translation of the game got fucking butchered because SoJ doesn't like it when the characters are even at least two-dimensional.
SoJ corrected the whole "Sonic emoting and being empathetic" so fucking hard that now the guy reads like a fucking furry Patrick Bateman, unable to feel anything but euphoria or aggression. That whole "he's only cool because he's snarky and doesn't care" mentality was only parroted by dumbfucking emotionally stunted gamers that were never fans of the series, both SoA and SoJ were fucking dumbasses for trying to pander to it.
Shadow got demoted to a shitty Vegeta rip-off when his whole appeal, more than the other two examples, was the earnestness of his character, the fact that he wasn't just a one-noted asshole.
Who the fuck cares if the furries express feelings other than WAKU WAKU and snark. The "cringe" was the appeal of it all.
I APPEAR TODAY TO MAKE A HISTORIC ANNOUNCEMENT!
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG IS A RRRAMBUNCTIOUS RRRAPSCALIAN RRRODENT! HE URINATED ON MY LUCINDA! THAT'S CORRRECT! HE TOOK HIS HORRIBLE HORNY HEDGEHOG DICK OUT AND HE URINATED ON MY LUCINDA. AND HE PROCLAIMED THAT HIS PINGAS WAS "THIS BIG", AND I REBUTTLED WITH GREAT DISTASTE!
I WILL MAKE AN OUTRAGE UPON THIS HASTY HOOLIGAN HEDGEHOG WITHIN TWITTER ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB!
DEAR SONIC THE HEDGEHOG,
YOUR GENITALIA IS MINUSCULE! IT IS APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF THIS WALNUT, BUT NOT QUITE AS LARGE. I HAVE A SPLENDID SURPRISE FOR YOU; IT IS THE SIGHT OF MY OWN PINGAS!
THAT IS CORRECT, YOU RRRRIDICULOUS RRRRRAT. ALL POINTS. NO QUILLS. NO CUSHIONS. ANALYZE IT; IT IS LIKE TWO TESTICLES AND A LIGHTNING ROD!
HE FORNICATED WITH MY LUCINDA, SO WATCH WHAT I WILL DO; I WILL FUCK THE EARTH, BUT I WILL NOT RELEASE MY URINE UPON ITS SOIL. I WILL AIM MUCH HIGHER. I'M URINATING ON THE MOON!
DID YOU FIND PLEASURE IN THAT, OBAMA? I URINATED ON THE MOON, YOU DUNCE-LIKE, NOTORIOUS DOUBLE UYGHUR!
YOU HAVE TWENTY THREE HOURS, BEFORE THE MICRRRODRRROPLETS RAIN UPON YOU! NOW LEAVE MY SIGHT, BEFORE I DEMOTE YOU TOO!
>>29449I really liked the gameplay with Frontiers (I was expecting overland travel with Sonic to go over like a lead balloon), so if the sequel has better art direction and graphics, I feel like they could have something really good on their hands.
Swear to fuck if the next 3D Sonic game Sega puts out is something completely different again I will be very grumpy, Sega loves having each new Sonic game just do some stupid gimmick and not really fix anything from previous titles. Building off of Frontiers would be best.
>>29713yeah i have very little excitement for this game. It'll be better than Sonic 4 probably, but it looks bland. The trailers and the opening cutscene just have no energy to them in the way that Mania did.
I don't understand how they just totally fucked up on producing a Mania 2.
i really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really really, really,
really, really wish sega made a good (not bad!!!) 3D sonic game
why do all the good ones have to be 2D
>>30251they shouldve used the style from sonic channel
>>30061also people definitely were offended by it, you can still see dorks calling it "bestiality" online
>>30255probably the same people crying about baldurs gate lol
reaction… reaction never changes
>>30173Yeah, and the Sonic fandom, despite all the cringe, really had to suffer for it. Mind, many games weren't great, but massively overhated.
If remember right, that was the time game journalism really started to decline in "quality", and the corruption under it bubbling to the surface, so a mascot in decline was decent target to boost ones own credibility to shit on an obvious target.
Arin Hanson/Egoraptor in the same way. A complete and utter tool with opinions so shit even /v/ would recoil in disgust, and an inability to admit his own failings playing games (I am talking straight-up refusing to follow on-screen instructions because he hates tutorials). He was during the time doing his own "serious" videos called Sequelities, and was failing because of the above.
The one thing that amazes me tho, how the fanom kinda fell off in visibility, if only cause MLP and the right-wing cringe showed how deep one can fall into the autism hole.
>>30753She's the least bad, I guess. But to me the other two control worse than they did in SA1. I'm like actively fighting Knuckles's glide control.
Also the platforming is really bad. It's just random shit littering the map.
>>29538who the fuck is in charge of business decisions at sega
>SEGA is cancelling HYENAS and "some unannounced titles under development" from its European studios they pouring millions of dollars into this slop and then decided to cancel it
>>30774tails a cute.
CUTE!
>>30849that market strategy looks like it was created by a child
>spend lots of money>put random buzzwords 'GLOBAL' 'IP UTILIZATION'>create the SUPER GAMEApparently I heard HYENAS wasn't the only 'super game' though and there is actually other stuff in the pipeline. But yeah still idiotic. The problem is executives that don't understand videogames and can't realise that you need some kind of new concept or at least a different implementation of an existing concept for something to catch positive attention.
>>30852>unhinged autistic Sonic fansno u unhinged
>He seems very nice and got told off by Sega to stop interacting with people to prevent leaks from future titles.>"This is my limit">"i'm sorry"Seeing how twitter is acting, especially with "guys i dont think he actually reading" as a response over the negtive shit at him
I think it's the best to stays away from the toxic places like twitter and watch his JAV videos in private
>>30849>>30850Bruh, this is fucking Redfall all over again.
RIP Total War.
>>30852lmao i read this shit on twitter and it legit feels like 12-year-old bootlickers, like do they even know iizuka almost got fired for asking sega for more development time? nevermind, theyd probably say sega was "in their right" to do that
i feel bad for kishimoto, hes like sakurai if his company gave him 0 budget and 0 time for development. the man cares more about sonic than sega ever did and wont stop until stop until sonic is a respectable franchise again
>>30852>>30867devs on Sonic Mania/Origins team said that Iizuka is a really kind person, but the problem relied on SEGA rushing the game, we also can see that Kishimoto tries his hardest to make a good product, he cares about feedback and about the quality of the Sonic games he directs
If the problem really was the devs, why would other teams that works in Sonic games would also suffer from games released unfinished? Like BigRedButton with Sonic Boom, Headcannon with Origins, and Sonic Team with 06? It doesn't make any sense.
>>30948I've never played that game but kinda wanna just for the music
We need another sonic fighting game, 'sokken' if you will
>>30926>you are wrongnou
also a sonic-based design with human muscle looks off
>>30925tis
>>30942depends on the era, maybe sometime and sometime not?, so kinda?, at least it had great shit instead of being safe & bland like in the mid to late 2010's
>>30963>Sonic Team with 06? You think Sega JP would've even learned their lesson by now.
Rushing 06 was sadding, Do they even have effective unions in Japan? It looks like Sonic Team needs it at this point since it's been effecting their games for a while now with shit, like with Takashi Iszuka in Sonic Heroes's Development, they rushed SA2 with a smaller team (if that's correct) and the game was still good and a success for others at the time (for a bit more compact and shorter game), but SEGA kept using this strategy for a long while, even when there was only one person doing one level designer for heroes at that point, 06 in a nutshell was
rushed, the team was split to work on secret rings, and there were no delays after the split. Negative reviews were made right out of the gate for 06, and seeing them do the exact same thing now with 3rd party developers and somewhat doing this with not delaying forces (even after a fire and ice fan vote in 2015 saying that delays for games are ok) is concerning. Allowing frontiers to get delayed in 2021 was a step in the right direction.
>>30969They made the ship cannon in the comics?
Quads
>>31000It's a thing with the whole series.
Even the Genesis titles had short development times besides S3K which still had to be released in two halves. Sonic 2 was the first game to get rushed and it's also the first one with management problems as Naka told SoJ to go fuck themselves and developed the game in America instead despite the language barrier between the American and Japanese employees.
Heroes was rushed to shit so SEGA could have a hit for 2003, which is why it came on fucking new years eve in japan. On top of that Iizuka had to work as 2 people and barely sleep, due to one of the designers was on medical leave in the last stretch of development. Somehow with all of this shit it still sold well and pretty much saved SEGA.
>>31041This cartoon is non canon tho, so he is a prole.
but even then he is becoming a monarch by wanting that princess squirrussy in the archie series,
>>31452Its not like children's media has to be shallow plot-wise or have shallow characters. I say in games' particular case this is mostly the result of writers resorting to excessive formalism to meet the executives' fickle standards and the fact that most action video games do not have storytelling as a priority, so if there is any kind of deeper story and characterization it is often just put into an encyclopedia/codex/lore bible.
Tl;dr: capitalist approach to media production does no longer allow creative teams to go wild anymore.
>>31456I have look at it and it seems to be the usuial 3D Sonic fare but with gacha unlockable characters.
>the goatSome kinda crossdressing ram? The character's name and design is a reference to a zodiac sign.
>>31457oh damn I didn't think about the horns
first trans sonic char confirmed????
>>30926Sega will give characters large breasts, a two bedroom apartment, driver's license and a small army and say
>this character is 12 years oldI still believe originally Sonic wasn't meant to have an actual age, kinda like Mickey, who can be portrayed as any age depending on the situation and scenario, but is usually an adult.
This is further supported by the fact that his girlfriend, Madonna, was very clearly an adult, so Sonic was probably meant to be an adult too. I wonder if the need the reach the young audiences made them specifically change Sonic into a cool teenager.
>>31544whats wrong with fang
>>31541>A developer I spoke to at the event referenced Super Mario Sunshine as an inspiration and that very much shows (he also name checked Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater, which is surprisingly apparent too).>Levels are meant to be replayed in Dream Team and that’s accomplished in a few ways. For one, there are multiple paths to explore in any given level.lmao its fucking hilarious that this is locked to apple arcade
>>31550 (me)
Also I'm not strictly opposed to little to no character development (something like Mario for example), but they want to tell serious stories all the time while completely reinventing the franchise every 3-5 years. Maybe they could have a mainline series without much plot and then have side games like Mario RPG and Paper Mario where they do mostly self-contained stories.
>>31661>>31705Also side note, it's mildly depressing to me, as someone who grew up reading Archie Sonic, that it would have been up to around 375 issues by now.
Speaking of, for any of my fellow Sonic autists, this channel did a series of videos on Archie Sonic. Here they are compiled into one vid.
https://youtu.be/AvzUC_zkznk?si=1snVM8MaoC0LlEA5 >>31706>>31708 (me)
Just finished watching. Of all the crazy shit he covers pic related is what horrified me the most. Fucking why.
>>31286>>31285>>31290You know what? I’m gonna say what everyone else is too pussy to admit.
NiGHTS IS GOD. DAMN. SEXY.
The things I would do to this flying twink hole from the heavens are so beyond human comprehension it’s sickening.
Every night, I lye awake engulfed in twisted fantasies of perversion over the things I want to do to them…
Since the day I first laid eyes on this purple non-binary cock snot inducing jester, my life has not known peace.
I have been practicing lucid dreaming for years in sheer hope that maybe someday, somehow, NiGHTS will appear and finally give in to the carnal urges that will engulf both of us..
Every day, I dream of the moment that NiGHTS will paraloop on top of my massive throbbing hole hammer. It’s impossible to even hear their name without beginning to fantasize about my cum cannon sliding between their nonexistent lips.
I don’t know whether Wisemen gave NiGHTS a pp or a bussy, but the curvature that engulfs that purple spandex is more than enough indication that NiGHTS has an asshole tighter than any mortal human could compete with.
The true reason the Casinopolis level in Sonic Adventure had a shower area was not for cleanliness, but so that Sonic could calm himself over the erotic fantasy that surely engulfed him upon playing the NiGHTS pinball game.
Just look at those child bearing hips and long, smooth, slender legs… Who can even imagine the toes that those legs lead to?
I want to make love to NiGHTS so badly it hurts… I’d give my whole life for just one minute inside them…
Please NiGHTS, my dearest… Wait for me…
I will be with you some day…
A simple way to play Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 without an emulator.
This is the definitive way to play both games & has controller support.
Sonic 1 Forever:
https://teamforeveronline.wixsite.com/home/sonic-1-foreverSonic 2 Absolute:
https://teamforeveronline.wixsite.com/home/sonic-2-absoluteBefore you install these, you'll need the apk files below.
Sonic 1 apk:
https://sonic-the-hedgehog.en.uptodown.com/androidSonic 2 apk:
https://sonic-the-hedgehog-2-classic.en.uptodown.com/androidTo install, simply make a folder and place the apk file inside and unzip the zip file and put its contents inside with the apk.
Then click the setup file and it's done. Super easy.
>>31934There's a mod that adds the original mega drive music for Sonic 1 Forever.
https://gamebanana.com/mods/478046Simply put the folder in the Mods folder & activate it in-game mods menu.
>>31935>>31934Mario Bros. in Sonic 1:
https://gamebanana.com/mods/441385(note: for best performance, use this mod only, but it is compatible with the original mega drive music mod)
There's also the definitive way to play Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Sonic3air
https://sonic3air.org/This time you need to get a Sonic & Knuckles mega drive rom & convert it to a .bin file with SBWin
https://www.romhacking.net/utilities/383/>Get SBWin here^ and use it to convert the MD files to .binThen like with the apk file, place it inside the folder and it should be easy from there.
Sonic Adventure 1 ez mod (for Steam)
SADX Mod Installer:
https://sadxmodinstaller.unreliable.network/Install Sonic R:
Get the RIP version here.
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/sonic-r-a38#downloadUnzip and place Sonic R folder somewhere.
Download the Sonic R Updater.
https://gamebanana.com/tools/6325Install that and adjust accordingly.
Lastly, set your controls in-game and play the game.
>>32002https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ghz-podcast/episodes/34-Writing-Sonic-Movie-2-w-PAT-CASEY-e1h9aoo51:52 - "I love Rouge the Bat! I'll answer that! When is she going to appear? I'm not sure but I love Rouge the bat and I'd love to get her into this franchise. I think she makes a great movie character. You can't trust her but she's charming. You think she's screwing you over but she has a heart of gold. That's what movies are made of. Classic femme-fetale! She's fun. She enjoys what she does. She kind of fills the same role as cat women. Though I guess Cat Woman is now a more explicit love interest for batman. Female fans need - we need some girl anthros. I fully agree. There's all kinds of girls. You've got your Mary-annes and Gingers. Mary Anne's like Amy but the Gingers need to see themselves represented as well. That's Rouge."
I'll continue believing.
>>30166Because the game was bad. That's it. It's like when "critics" like a game they'll say the music is immersive but if they don't like the game then the music is actually "manipulative" or some shit.
Game journalism was at its absolute worst in that decade too.
>>32031The reason's because the Japanese VAs are based and Sonic Team never managed to make a good English localization in the past,
INCLUDING THE SCRIPT ITSELF. It's obviously easier to shift the blame to voice actors, even though the 4Kids VAs were perfectly fine. Hell, some folks argue that Adventure's VAs would have been fine if it wasn't for the direction.
>>32151The plot is the same but there was a lot of broken translation. Just look up the translation mod of SADX on YouTube.
It got worse with Colors, the English dialogue is completely fucken different, it's like Sonic Team hates the English language.
>>31166Sonic from mainline games would unironically be an eco-anarchist hippie, you can excuse his relationships with Elise as not actually being class collaborationist in nature, and SEGA says it didn't happen so it didn't happen.
Fleetway Sonic is way wilder, if anyone has a potential to go full anarchist insurrectionary it's him.
>>32155Nothing Sonic stands for is the norm in society we have failed him.
The reason so many people outside of the fandom (and some inside it) laugh at Sonic so much is to hide the pain of knowing that the things he stands for are so out of reach in our real lives.
>>32151>>32152>JPTails: This was easier than I thought!
Sonic: You can say that again. It's thanks to you helping out with this and that.
Tails: Me? I guess so… It's true that because I remodeled the machine to understand the Wisps' language and asked what's going on, you didn't have to keep going back and forth… Uhh… you really were more awesome, Sonic!
Sonic: Thank you! Either way, we did great.
>ENTails: We did it, dude!
Sonic: We? I don't remember you fighting off any insane robots.
Tails: True. Well, good job to you on inventing a translator that allowed us to speak to the aliens and figure out exactly what we needed to do so we weren't running around the park looking like idiots. Oh no wait, that was me.
Sonic: Good point. Either way, we can get out of this crazy place and go home.
>>32184>JPSonic: Tails, you're so based!
Tails: No, Sonic, you're more based then me.
Sonic: No, Tails, I insist.
>ENSonic: I'm so based.
Tails: I did half the work, you asshole.
Sonic: Pfft, whatever, I don't care.
>>32189The problem with the SATAM cast is that you can't only add one or two characters, you have to add the whole gang or everyone is going to piss themselves over it. Afaik Flynn already confirmed characters like Nicole would have to be added in their original computer form so that's one down already.
>Other characters like Shadow are already struggling with actually having good writing, albeit because of executive meddling.Shadow is a cash cow so nobody can touch him.
>>32204 (me)
Though seeing Mecha in any official media again would have been based NGL.
>>29507Not sure how Zoroark is less furry that Lopunny, this thing is covered in fur and shit.
>>32308>Who the fuck votes for CreamPeople who have a trash taste.
>>32321Prof. Pickle needs his own anime.
>>32046I played through Dream Team and the game has really grown on me. I've gotten used to the touch controls enough to where they don't really hamper anything and the levels have gotten better as the game has progressed. The game put all its points into gameplay and presentation, the story's basic, the music's forgettable and the voice acting is bad, but it's a worthwhile trade for the best playing 3D Sonic game in at least a decade.
Since they're both mostly collectathons, it's going to be compared to Frontiers a lot and Dream Team blows Frontiers out of the water in terms of level design and gameplay.
I have gotten a few slowdowns and weird bugs, but those are probably a result of me using an older iPhone more than anything being wrong with the game itself.
>>32275I hope they honor the results.
>>32322Jewel should've been a student/assistant to Professor Pickle instead of this "resistance" crap. Oh well.
>>32384>uygha really scrolled up hundreds of posts to reply to a 4-month old postNah, I just hit "Reply" and saw it.
>moralistNot moralist but I really don't think being attracted to a talking animal is the same thing as being attracted to Krystal.
>>32446>lizard sexo>sudoku yourselfThis is a masterpiece.
>>32447>There's literally no difference between being into anthros and into feralsWut?
>>32454>What's the difference? They're attracted to different things: anthro enjoyers are attracted to the humanoid body, feral fans are not.
>They're both completely harmlessThis is a different question altogether, I'm not claiming whether they're harmless or not.
>>32466Well maybe true, that doesn't really prove anything tho. I'm not saying you must like both but yeah. I don't even know what the point is anymore, forget it.
Like I said I'm just tired of the puriteens.
>>32726you suddenly wish
YOU HADN'T BOUGHT HER A GUN
>>31170Jun Senoue really should not be given the choice to make "Genesis"-like music when it honestly feels so repetitive and monotone.
Just bring butt rock back to Sonic games and put Jun in charge of that and let Lopes make soundtrack for classic games.
>>32761>post-hardcore1. It's modern metalcore.
2. Yes, bring in more post-hardcore like At the Drive-In, Thrice and Fugazi.
>>32945 (me)
>thriceFuck, I meant Finch. Whatever.
>>33044 (me)
Although I still don't know which games get E10+ and which get T. Sometimes it's almost random.
>>33414WTF SONIC TEAM DID SOMETHING BASED FOR ONCE???
If they will only be making DLCs for Gens I wouldn't mind, the only issue is that they're Denuvo's clients.
>>34760>I think Sega is determined to not let characters in this series sound good anymoreBen Schwartz and Deven Mack
THOUGH. Also, Roger was better in Frontiers and there are rumors that Griffith will return as Shadow but don't quote me on that.
I do want to see an alternative timeline where Drummond and Co. never left (except Tails, for obvious reasons). They still would need better script and voice direction however…
>>31877>Why is it locked to Crapple?!Walled garden platforms were a mistake.
>>31716Read Fleetway.
>>34903>"Knuckles" is the show Jews need right nowJournalism was a mistake.
>>30820>He was best handled in the [Fleetway anime]WTF? Well… I guess I was right all along. But people prefer Archie for some reason.
>>34915 (me)
Also, I think Sonic has a "nice guy" persona due to SEGA catering to the Japanese audience… despite Sonic being a character designed for the American audience… It's confusing. Ironically, they
still trying to cater to Western and Eastern audiences differently, with the American scripts being drastically different (and worse) than the Japanese scripts.
Him being more neutered in recent years is likely the result of SEGA trying to make Sonic more "relevant" to the new audience. Or maybe they want to be more kid-oriented, I dunno. It happens to American cartoons too, kid-friendly cartoons become more explicitly kid-oriented, which pretty much destroys any chances of accumulating a sizeable periphery demographic like MLP did (there are still some… weird people… who enjoy even that… but I've no idea why).
>>35140Sonic Frontiers is good
with mods, Sonic Superstars is decent
with mods, Sonic Dream Team is said to be good, Sonic Prime is made by the makers of Generator Rex so it must be good (don't mention the Ben 10 reboot). Overall the franchise is better now than it was when Forces or Boom came out… except for PC, every new game has Denuvo now, welcome to the AAA gaming, motherfuckers.
>>35240It's actually just a Fall Guys clone. For better or worse.
The only things that are worth the fans' attention are the comics, the movies, Sonic Prime, mods and fan games. That's it. People say Sonic Team listens to Sonic fans too much but I'd argue that they listen to them too little, instead prefering to balance fan appeal and kids appeal, creating that weird frankensteinian vision. They've implemented the character creator in Forces but it sucked,
they've implemented the boost gameplay in Forces but it was on rails, they've added a dark story to Forces but it clashed with cheesy writing, they've remastered Colors but it was a glitchy mess. Frontiers was decent but after playing it with mods you wouldn't want to play vanilla (the same thing as with SA2) unlike wIth Colors, Generations and Mania which are perfectly enjoyable games even without all the mods. Or the Rush series. Or the Advance series. Or even SA1 or Heroes (even though some may object to this claim). All-in-all, Frontiers is like Skyrim: you can play vanilla. But why?
>>35251 (me)
Oh, they also refuse to change the voice cast, keeping that frankly boring snarky Sonic. I don't know why, you listen to Jun'ichi or Drummond or even later Griffith and they charge you with some excitement and positive energy. Where's the excitement? Dante is more Sonic than Sonic is nowadays, like, wtf?
I really should try out DMC5.
>>36034you sure about that
>>36032this is more likely
>>36027>obscure characterHe's one of the most popular Sonic characters ever since his debut.
>only appeared in the worst sonic gamesNow you're just messing with people… He appeared only in
mid games as a playable character, this distinction is
very important… Although I liked Heroes and Battle.
>>36045I was actually prohibited from playing shadow when I was a kid, because it had guns. only finished the game this year
>rented dystopian
>>36061Nah, that's pussy shit. Give
Sonic a gun.
>>36046>I was actually prohibited from playing shadow when I was a kid, because it had gunsThat's hilarious ngl
>>rented >dystopianWdym? Renting games used to be pretty common, at least around here. Would be way worse if I had bought it lmao
>>36102At normal speed. Unless you're implying that bullets and rockets are flying at the speed of sound (they look like regular-ass bullets).
Funny how everyone is shocked to see Shadow with guns even though guns were a normal thing in Sonic since Sonic Adventure. If Sonic Adventure would've been a Western cartoon it would have either gotten censored to shit or been the most BASED kids' cartoon ever, even more based than Generator Rex. Or it will be aired on Adult Swim (unlikely). Although I must mention that they did remove people from the flud scene. Somebody should remake this scene with people drowning, I do not believe they've teleported into safety in these transition frames, na-ah, my headcanon rejects this, this is such bullshit.
>>36104 (me)
Now that I think of it, the SWAT team in Regular Show had regular-ass guns too because whom they were shooting at were not human. Perhaps if a Sonic Adventure cartoon came out now it would have no issues except the whole
FLUD THING. >>27867Eh, it's an acquired taste
After a while you start to see the positives of each game
Yes, even 06
>>37654Seeing positives is not the same as thinking positively. I'm sure you can find some positives even in a shit game.
That said, you not so much start viewing all Sonic games positively as much as realize that many of these games are good if they weren't dragged down by some tiny retarded issues or half-assed ports. It's like if you have a Porsche but then you realize that its engine is a li' bit… broken. So you send it to a repair shop.
It's like Arch Linux. Breaks all the time. But when it works,
IT FUCKING DOES. >>27968>90% of people (over 12) that still care about the sonic fandom are full on furriesI just like when the hedgehog goes fast and damages private property…
>>37660>Shame to hear Sega are [trying to be kid-friendly]Admit it, SEGA doesn't really care about its fans that much, we're not their main source of profit.
>>38318 (me)
Tbh Sonic fans are basically The Elder Scrolls fans who fix the games the devs are supposed to fix and Todd Howard secretly runs Sonic Team, they don't want you to know the truth.
>>38392 (me)
Also, skip the first minutes, there is an sponsorship in the video
>>36036Have you played Shadow Reloaded with Windii's translation and JP voice acting? This is peak fiction.
>>38392This reminded me that SEGA just posted some REALLY HYPE ANIME and you guys are missing out on it! Wtf guys?
GO WATCH IT!Btw, shame on you for not posting Eggman throwing Nokia at Frieza, that was the best clip from Lythero.
>>38709>like?CD, S3&K, Adventure series, Battle, Advance 3 (what's with Sonic and the number 3?), Heroes, ShTH, Rush series, '06 (kinda), Storybook series, Unleashed, Frontiers. Everything else is either an excuse plot or sucks. Or an excuse plot that sucks. There are also a lot of fan projects with good storylines.
>>38712 (me)
Forgot Shadow Generations.
>>38725Tails and Shadow did change (sometimes positively, sometimes negatively). Amy too, though that character development happened off-screen. Sonic himself is not the kind of character who undergoes character development to begin with, it's like demanding the funny wahoo pizza guy Dante to completely change his personality. I don't really understand that complaint, that's like complaining about Doom Slayer always being serious and brooding or Gordon Freeman being mute. That's the whole point. Sonic is an cool, cocky, impatient and adventurous environmentalist existentialist freedom fighter. A snarky kickass Absurdist counter-culture eco-terrorist antifa sorta.
That said, you can fuck up Sonic and Dante's personalities easily, which already happened a few times.
>>38738 (me)
Now that I described Sonic, he sounds like a radlib or something. The difference is that he isn't actually obsessed with idpol and isn't left-wing. He often collaborated with monarchists too and seems to be okay with the US government ruining the environment for… some reason. I guess it's only bad when Eggman does it. Or perhaps he doesn't care if it doesn't affect his habitat.
>>27921>fans will always make better stuff than a company with committees and trademark management ever willDo you have a single fact to back that up?
>>27891>fast-paced action makes it a perfect choice for autistic individuals who have difficulty processing information quicklyIsn't that contradictory? Mario seems better suited for slower walkthroughs. Why aren't Mario fans ever accused of autism then?
>rich colors, bright graphicsAgain, Mario fits this description better. Also, my favorite games of all time are Devil May Cry 4 and Metal Gear Rising so uh… Do I still qualify for the diagnosis?
>Additionally, Sonic's wide range of enemies and obstacles keeps the games interesting without overstimulating the senses with too much change or uncertainty.Isn't that, like… every action game ever?
>Furthermore, the game's challenge mode helps players further develop their cognitive capabilities as they try to master levels with each new replay.That's pretty common in all types of games. Even Tetris.
In conclusion, this entire board is autistic. Also, this site has bright colors. Might as well call the whole site autistic for having such an autistic color scheme. The sky is autistic. It's too bright.
>The cool tones of blue can create a serene and peaceful environment reminiscent of the skyhttps://silverswingaba.com/autism-and-colors-do-they-have-preference/…Well, fuck.
>>39256 (me)
You know, I'm more concerned about having ADHD than autism now that I think of it. I do have a
veeeery strong preference for fast-paced cocaine-brained games which require pressing lots of buttons at breakneck speed until I die. I never could get into chess, that shit is painful.
>>39514 (me)
The counter is starting to rise, guys, very epic. Now outracing SADX in the list is a possibility,
>>39514 (me)
Oh, I forgot: be sure to tell your friends to tell your friends' friends and publish the news somewhere where everyone can notice it while doomscrolling like other imageboard sites.
>>39514 (me)
WE'VE REACHED A MILESTONE OF MORE THAN 100 VOTES IN JUST A FEW DAYS, WOAH!!Good job, guys. So proud of you all.
>>39514 (me)
Sonic Mega Collection Plus:
DEFEATED.Next stop: Sonic and the Secret Rings.
>>27867I feel estranged from the rest of the Sonic fans. Some are furry fans, some are just horny, some like to make OCs, some are Archie fans, some are autists who find Sonic characters easier to visually comprehend, some like side characters, some are Christians, some are fanboys who defend '06 to their death, and some are elitists who hate on anything past S3&K except for Mania. And this isn't why I like Sonic, I just think Sonic and his games are cool. Maybe they're not rated M for Mature but, like, Sonic has the same energy as Devil May Cry and Jet Set Radio.
Am I the minority here? Are there any fans of Sonic Battle, Sonic Rush or Sonic Riders?
>>39826Modern Sonic is a dumpster fire but the classics are still some of my all-time favorites. And you indirectly touched on a personal belief of mine. I cant speak for everyone, or even for autists ( Im not diagnosed but I wouldnt be surprised if I were on the spectrum ), but I believe they tend to like Sonic because he is the embodiment of self confidence and cool. Something they weren't growing up.
At least I wasn't.
Also s p e e d
>>40029I like the sonic characters because I think they are cute and often sexy
And the games are genuinely fun even though they're not masterpieces, fuck the haters. They might be deeply flawed, but they have a sincere and enjoyable energy about them that most games do not.
It's just nice to turn my brain off and run around collecting rings, anon. Not everything has to be a bone tingling spine rumbling deep experience like DaS1 or metal gear.
>>39417 (me)
Come on, guys! We need 321 more votes to beat the Director is Cut version of the game! We cannot allow it to exist!
>>40031>Also sonic characters are cute and colorful.See? This. This is precisely the opposite of why I like Sonic. I guess it's the same with The Sims for me. Other fans like to roleplay and make characters and houses. I prefer to just fuck around with the game and mods and custom characters and shit. I don't actually roleplay or create anything, I just click on shit and see stuff happening and the numbers going up.
>>40032>Not everything has to be a bone tingling spine rumbling deep experience like DaS1 or metal gear.I mean, some Sonic games also have decent stories (better than mid plots of modern AAA games, that's for sure).
>>40036 (me)
You know, Forces exemplifies everything I don't like about Sonic. Boring gameplay, cheesy music and dialogue, simplistic story, annoying characters, terrible physics, visual downgrades and, last but not least, the OCs. And apparently there are still fans of this game. And I understand why. These fans are Sonic fans for completely different reasons from mine.
>>40317 (me)
Btw, this game truly deserves the title of a kids game, just like TTGO deserves its title of a kids cartoon. Many fans like to say Sonic is for all ages but I'm not sure why a grown-ass man who is not a fanboy would voluntarily play this game. I bet the kids' focus group was upset that Forces is as difficult as Generations so Sonic Team was like: "Okay, we're sorry. We'll make it so you don't even have to look at the screen to complete a level." That's how I imagine it in my head. Because there are no adult focus groups at Sonic Team. Heck, the reason why Frontiers' combat is not like in the mods is because children found it hard to combo and parry enemies and one of the kids literally started crying.
I mean, if Sonic Team's focus was to pander to children then I'm not sure how they expected everyone else to take their game seriously except for diehard fans. Like, bruh, you make a game that is specifically tailored to kids, what did you expect? I do not believe they wanted to make a good game, I refuse. This is a product to sell.
>>40327 (me)
It genuinely amazes me how in this game everything that could've gone wrong did go wrong except technical issues, the thing '06 and Boom were hated for the most.
>Writing? Sucks.>Gameplay? Sucks.>Controls? Suck.>Graphics? Suck.>Music? Sucks.>Replayability? Sucks.Everything except the technical issues is so bad that in order to fix this game it basically needs rework from the ground up, it's such a trainwreck. A beautiful trainwreck. I haven't seen a game that failed in so many aspects in a while. Yeah, '06 is still one of the worst Sonic games but if it wasn't for glitches, loading times, character redesigns, bad voice acting, goofy ahh animations, slow game speed and the kiss scene then it would have been leagues better than Forces. It would be at least decent. Even Lost World is better than Forces, that's not exactly a high bar to reach.
>>40508 (me)
>glitches, loading times, character redesigns, bad voice acting, goofy ahh animations, slow game speed and the kiss sceneYeah, it sounds like a lot but fixing '06 is like cleaning shit off of one's Jordans. Trying to fix Forces is like polishing a turd. Sure you can "fix" Forces but by that point is that even Forces really? Fixed Forces is the ship of Theseus basically.
>>40512>saying the music in forces sucks is just pure contrarianismNo, I hated it ever since the first gameplay trailers were revealed and never understood why the fans kept defending this. Ohtani is a great composer and Jun has made some of my most favorite tracks. But the synths they chose for Forces are trash and the vocal tracks are so painfully cheesy that they beat any other Sonic OST prior in the amount of cheese per minute. The only tracks I genuinely liked that I can recall are Casino Forest, the orchestral tracks, Ghost Town, Network Terminal, Justice, Fighting Onwards and the Episode Shadow remixes (that DLC is a better game anyway). That's kinda it. Forces' OST is one of the worst Sonic OSTs out there, beaten only by the likes of, I dunno, Sonic Genesis, Frontiers' OST is a giant improvement compared to it.
>the orchestral stuff gets a bit old sure but the techno is sickTo me it's the complete opposite: the orchestral tracks are decent (though not as memorable as Unleashed's score) but the """techno""" tracks are garbage and shouldn't be in the game. The score would've been much better if it was all orchestrated.
>i like "first bump" very muchYou mean the Edgy Mix, right?… Right?
>>40514>I unironically like infinite's theme,it's self-aware of how stupid-edgy it is but it still takes itself seriouslyIf only it was actually good.
>>40515>I hope infinite comes back in "sonic racing crossworlds".He's literally Coldsteel the Hedgehog but canon, he's basically everything bad about Shadow put into a blender. Even the Deadly Six are better characters, with how little character they have.
>>40521 (me)
I also like Arsenal Pyramid's interior theme but it cracks me up every time I listen to it since I associate it with Ricardo Milos throwing a fireball every time I listen to it, I can't. 🤣
>>40523 (me)
The first two Infinite's fights are fine too ig, though I'm not sure why the tempo's so slow. It's a Sonic game. Same for the track I mentioned above.
>>40523 (me)
I actually like Red Gate Bridge more now that I listened to it. The Arsenal Pyramid interior music is like… eh, whatever.
>>40592 (me)
What's your favorite voice actors for each character, guys? Japanese included.
>>40673 (me)
That and Forces Overclocked.
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