Is gacha reactionary?
The only gacha I've played are arknights and gumball machines, and storywise I haven't seen anything reactionary about it.
>>35876The ones with all the western aesthetics are
>>35877 (me)
Wait no actually I tried reverse 1999 but got bored of it after a while. Too abstract, enjoyed what I did play of it, gorgeous artistically, but the gameplay is too simple.
I have no idea because I only fap to the various games' characters and have never played any of them.
Due to that they're therefore "design meatgrinders" where good character designs are wasted on shitty games, so uh yeah I guess they're le bad.
>>35879I almost downloaded it again just for the new Dikke skin but not even that was enough for me
>>35883even if china wasn't aes i would still give them money to nuke estonia
its peak capitalism trash and i regret playing so much gacha shit in my life tbh
>>35886There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
The natural progression for videogames, a lot of characters with extremely “unique” designs that make them visually stand out while at the same time extremely shallow designs, character writing, world building etc. In a sane world this crap would be actively boycotted and unrewarded but alas we exist in a consumeristic society where exploiting the brain is all it takes to be considered a good game.
No but it's annoying and exploitative. Also proof of what massive cucks gamers are. Remember when loot boxes were a big deal?
>>35888>The natural progression for videogames.The natural progression for AAA videogames*. Don't be anti-intellectual, that's proto-neolib. Also a sane world would've achieved worldwide socialism by now, but thinktanks slowed down organization.
I hate when I try a gacha and go "this would be cool if it weren't a gacha"
>>35901The more I play Arknights the more I wanna make a game like it but open source and a more evenly distributed feral / furry / kemonomimi ratio. I'd want it to look like Tsuki's Odyssey but with guns.
>>35901>"this would be cool if it weren't a gacha"So literally every "good" gacha
Genuinely people should just ask themselves, has any game ever been *improved* by being a gacha? And then they'll realize how shitty the state of things is
>>35880>Due to that they're therefore "design meatgrinders" where good character designs are wasted on shitty gamesIf I'm not mistaken there's usually a strict tier list of which characters are good so the odds are significant that the character design you like will be wasted on a useless character. So you're not even paying for gameplay at that point, just a design to look at
>>35890>Also proof of what massive cucks gamers are. Remember when loot boxes were a big deal?As if those who had a negative perception of lootboxes are suddenly kinder to gacha.
>>35880From my admittedly limited exposure to gacha, the approach seems to be to just hire a bunch of designers from pixiv and see what comes out. A lot of these game assets don't even get a final art pass (e.g. Blue Archive, OP pic), so there is only as much stylistic coherence as the designers got directions. (Especially notable in games where there was no art director.)
Due to this, quality varies widely. In the same game you can have a fantastic design like Neru against a sea of mediocrity. To me that's the most profound issue with most gacha: no strong and central, artistic voice. Anything good in these games comes from individual contributors. (see also
>>35901 )
Azur Lane seems to escape this? I haven't played it, so can anyone confirm/deny?
>>35908You must not remember how genuinely massive the backlash against any kind of P2W/gambling scheme in gaming was, EA was voted the most hated company in America because of it (which was pathetic, but, y'know, public sentiment). And now it's gacha games that are massive among many of the same communities and spaces. You can't seriously believe it's more likely that the two groups are entirely disjoint and the first one somehow completely lost its voice, as opposed to the normalization just working + gamers being weak of will
>>35876>is [blank] reactionary?i dunno man, play it or don't, even reactionary media has some artistic value, just don't waste your money on it like an idiot
>>35912Why do gacha games lack an art director? Is it because they're too lazy to give guidelines and monitor their art or believe that it would "stifle creativity"?
>>35922The only correct response.
>>35923Arknights has an art director but styles can still vary quite a lot b/t sprites.
>another useless cultural criticism thread where we pretend to be good little communists for liking/disliking pop media
can we actually talk about the video games we play without being wannabe youtube essayists? pop culture has nothing to do with communism, aka the real proletarian movement, so enjoy whatever you want
>>35986Big difference between overanalyzing media thematically and criticizing a format that inherently exploits people lol
>>35891>Don't be anti-intellectualyoure the idiot throwing around leftoid buzzwords to make basic bitch moralist posts about the "evilness" of some random game lol
i mean
>proto-neoliblmao what does this even fucking mean dude
if you want to do art critique go ahead, just dont conflate it with communism. choose one or the other
>>35988all products under capitalism are made by exploiting workers…
all this talk about gambling reminds me of notions about how credit is parasitic on "the REAL economy" which comes from a very ooc reading of capital. marx never made moral claims about credit, even explains it as integral to the development of bourgeois production lol, and as usual the misreadings only get used for reformist peddling
>>35888you go from a sensible statement
>The natural progression for videogamesto some libshit moralist understanding of the world
>In a sane world this crap would be actively boycotted and unrewarded>we exist in a consumeristic societyxD
tbh i wish i could make myself feel good for thinking im consuming the right media unlike the rest of consumerists/npcs/normies/protoneolibs/etc
>>35991>marx never made moral claims about creditYou don't need to point to a book to realize that it's immoral for companies to get rich off of people's compulsions.
>but it's not communismSome of us are well-rounded human beings who can make judgments outside of the framework of a specific political philosophy, crazy I know.
>>35993I think the point of materialism is that morality is very easy to replace in it's totality with logistical concerns. It's midnight so I won't elaborate, but seems like gambling as a business model and the ethical violations
with even ethics really just being logistics under the hood too that have to occur for people to see gambling as desirable; withholding information and the profit incentive to sabotage education, copyright, closed source codes, the manufacturing of a self-esteem crisis, perhaps advertising (I've seen a lot of Genshin ads), etc… is, among many things, unsustainable and actively diverting money away from more sustainable forms of art.
Like if you argue by morality, you're insisting upon your concerns being vibes, when there may be concrete criticisms you can make that people may become irrationally averse to considering if they've heard moral arguments they disagree with to the same effect too much.
>>35993>immoralSpooked.
>well-rounded human beingsThe only reason they're not "well-rounded" is because their critique of morality isn't sophisticated enough, a Marxist humanist is just as well-rounded as a Marxist nihilist.
>>35883The AES machine is fueled by the bodies of gacha addicts, glory to communism.
>>35995>Like if you argue by morality, you're insisting upon your concerns being vibesMorality is no more vibes-based than any human intuition, read more philosophy outside of the two or three leftypol-approved authors.
>>35996>Spooked.Dude you can't say me raping your mom to death is wrong dude. That doesn't fit within hecking materialism dude. You actually can't complain about people suffering from exclusively capitalist phenomena dude, that's not historically progressive dude.
Why do people spend any time on these games? Why not just play better games that don’t openly prey on you for money?
>>36392Clearly they have more fun with it than you do.
>>36391>le "everything is philosophy" philosophy undergrad memeYawn. Anything to justify reading so much garbage just to write pseud shit on the internet about fucking pop culture.
>>36393But everyone discussing them sounds like they came out dissatisfied, no? These games are clearly not to be enjoyed. Maybe there are gacha games that are genuinely as fun as games, but from what I can see, most of these games aren’t fun; they are designed to be as boring and expensive as possible.
>>36392I just like the story, art and gameplay of Arknights. Like it's only when I initially log in that I remember it's even a gacha. Like I could see it tranitioning to a different means of aqquiring operators if it outlives capitalism and it wouldn't change the game that much.
>>36392I also wonder this. I dabbled a bit with Blue Archive, but to me it seems the aesthetic experience can be reproduced by going through the blue archive tag on your favourite booru.
>>36398Why not play a shoujo collecting game that is less predatory, like say idolm@ster?
>>36408idrg idol culture stuff. Also the worldbuilding is neat, and the writing is just the right amount of camp while still conveying something overall serious. It makes me want to make a tower defense game like it but with my own OCs, as an excuse to actually give them lore and art instead of just scribbles in scattered notebooks.
>>36408Who cares about a game being ""predatory"" if you don't spend money on it?
>>36415Because predatory design bleeds into all aspects of design.
>>36450jesus christ you retards goon to this shit?
develop some taste, hooooly fuck
>>36458Nah, I just saw it on tumblr and thought it was wacky. Like the concept is hot but it's the most boring execution of it. Give her some sharp teeth, actually show the chain being cronched and falling between her hands, and just make it cell shaded 3D or something instead of this awful attempt at squash and stetch.
>>36460I retract my statement and apologize. Granted, it's mostly the design that does (not) do it for me.
>instead of this awful attempt at squash and stretchActually machine animation, just very poorly done. Aren't the Nikke people supposed to be good at that?
>>36458I'll goon to what I want you fucking fapscist
>>36450I want her to bite me
>>36630I was going to try it until I saw that it's like 100 fucking GBs
>>36631Android version is just 18 GBs, is that the desktop version that's like that? (though I suppose 18 GB is still quite heavy for what it is.)
>>36630 (me)
Figured out the crashing problem, the power saving modes graphics settings preset aren't as stable as the higher presets. Not sure which setting specifcally tho.
>>36630The game is utter brainrot but I only play it because of some furry called Von Lycaon. What a stupid name.
>>36630All I know about it is that prudes are upset about it.
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