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>>38105
>I hate the emperor
The emperor is not supposed to have a sympathetic POV, stop applying the logit of simplistic "Good vs Evil" stories to 40k. You're doing what you're supposed to, siding with the factions whose ideas you actually support instead of siding with the Imperium because "main faction good, other factions bad." In fact, it's only natural for the chuddies to side with the Imperium because that's who they are: a bunch of xenophobic zealots who jerk off to feudalism.

I like Chaos Undivided.

>>38110
Oh great, another grey morality faggot. No dumbass, people can be objectively as evil or good as much as they want. The emperor is objectively stupid and evil given what he condemned literally all life in the galaxy to. Justifying or even trying to downplay the severity of his actions under ‘well that’s just what the galaxy is like’ is the same action taken by war mongers in justifying the arbitrary brutality of the modern world.

>>38112
>another grey morality faggot
Unironically kys retard, I literally said the Imperium is one of the worst factions, I just said that the protagonists don't have to be good guys either. People on this website, smh.

>>38105
>I hate the emperor and warhammer because of him
>By taking chaos, he immortalized the corruption of the warp.
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>>38110
chaos undivided the goat faction, Imagine pascals wager but with the chaos gods. I'm hedging my bets and praying to all 4 enough to curry favor but not enough turn into a chaos spawn

>>38152
I bet that's what all the chaos spawns thought too

>>38151
Hey, Horus was straight up stabbed and betrayed by like multiple people into becoming what he was, and even then, his actions were ultimately still motivated by a want to save the galaxy the emperor would create

I hate warhammer 40k so much, its awful sci-fi and generic as space fantasy. Everything about it is just ugly in that 1980s shitty american design language kind of way. It's ugly and poorly realized in the same way battletech is. The proportions are just bad. Every single design in borehammer is ugly no matter what. I can barely even begin to express my hatred for every single thing about snorehammer. It's not a setting I can take even slightly seriously. It's gross.

The main issue with the story is that it is both incredibly silly and also its meant to be really dark and depressing. I'm not complaining about tone shift because there is no shift or rugpull or anything, there was never any tone. It's nihilist without the art that sells really nihilist fiction. The setting is just a complete failiure. Either you enjoy the imperium unironically or you have to approach the whole thing in a postmodernist 'I'm playing as this army but I don't relate to them' kind of way. It's just trash, no thought was put into making the setting grounded, Star Wars does what warlamer is doing much, much better and thats a franchise with only a minimum amount of thought put into its story. I only liked it as a child because that's who its for.

When it comes to the models, they are just shit. The designs are UGLY. Proportions are wrong, everything is filled with shitty greebles and details that don't make any sense and are just there to overcomplicate and ruin the designs. The designers don't take it seriously, nothing is grounded or believable. Every space marine design especially the shit like land raiders look deformed, like a funny comedic version of an actual design. And it's also just so boring. They stick to western design conventions so closely just with the shitty proportions plastered on top. Where are the cool, slightly out there designs? Everything looks like its from 2000AD but enshittified, its all just a brick.
And the models are so expensive for their poor quality. I always wanted warhammer as a child and would love it every time I got some shitty like single squad that was £30 for christnmas, but growing up it is so obvious there are better options.

If I were to ever make a model again in my life it would be a gundam one because of just how much better they are especially for their price. A few years ago I did a kitbash of one of the £15 gundam models and I had so much fun making that that compared to the fiddly, annoying and artistically stifening borehammer shit. And it looked so much better to. It's just insane, for the same price as you buy a small warhammer tank you can get a gundam model with full internal details and pistons and shit with way more plastic and way more creative space to do what you want, but even if you don't it looks good without painting just out of the box! For the same price as an UGLY cluttered imperial knight (literally £110) you can buy the most insane shit ever.

Warhammer is only still popular because of cultural power. Nobody really likes it they just like being a nerd about it. The books are actually not badly written (at least the horus heresy stuff I've read) but they don't sell the world and also like glorify this fascist imperium. I hate it all.

>>38153
look man I'm not trying to be a demon prince or anything here I just wanna be the chaos equivalent of a lazy catholic. Make a sacrifice or two a year and go to the rituals during holidays but not weekly.

>>38184
Unfortunately from what I've read in the books about them, Chaos cults are a real "all or nothing" kind of deal. The leadership demands devotion and eventually fanaticism and will kill you if you think otherwise. And that's all assuming you're not absorbed into some Word Bearer coterie, where you will all be sacrificial slaves or possibly cannon fodder because the Word Bearers think that regular humans are inferior

>>38157
I was with you until you started talking shit about Mechwarrior

>>38188
Ugly designs, stole Okawara's work and enshittified it

The only real problem with warhammer is people taking it seriously because they "don't get the joke" (this includes at this point most of the people making the content for the series).

>>38190
You're going to have to come with some HARD and SOLID proof, because that is an absolute nonsense claim.
Also, that's not what enshittification is you dumb cunt. Stick to lingo you actually understand.

>>38187
You don't have to join a cult to worship Chaos.
Most Chaos Undivided factions are rebels and criminals, not cultists, although that doesn't mean they aren't tyrannical.
>>38152
40k not only contradicts Pascal's wager, it disproves it. It's a Lovecraftian universe where not only gods definitely exist but worshipping them can in fact be suicidal (you can be turned into a chaos spawn easily for example). The reason I support Chaos Undivided is because there's almost no other choice for humans. Khorne and the Imperium will enslave you, Nurgle will turn you into a terminally diseased unfuckable mess, Slaanesh will turn you into a drug addict, T'au will brainwash you to serve "the Greater Good" (read "the T'au Empire"), Orks, Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Necrons will straight-up kill you. I mean, you can join T'au or Nurgle but is this the life you want? Being a decaying body or a cog in a machine? And when it comes to Farsight you can't even reach him easily, and who knows how long his enclave can resist before being absorbed by the T'au Empire. In order to stand on your own you need to be strong in this universe, and judging by how powerful empires, chaos legions and parasites are in this world you need to either be a Chaos Undivided space marine or a heretek. Or you need Tzeentch to randomly bestow you with luck, but fuck knows if it'll even happen.

>>38226 (me)
Oh, forgot to mention. If you try worshipping Tzeentch he'll just turn you into a chaos spawn for giggles. You're not supposed to worship Tzeentch, Tzeentch represents freedom and egoism. Venerate yourself instead. Through venerating yourself you venerate Tzeentch because a part of Tzeentch is within you. Chaos Undivided is a good way to venerate yourself since you join Undivided for your own benefit, not the benefit of the gods (well, unless it's the Word Bearers…).

chaos is retarded

>>38220
Hard and solid proof of what, that battletech stole its designs? The early battlemech designs were literally completely stolen from Dougram, Macross and Votoms, and the later redesigns barely change them. You could just spend 20 seconds googling this. Every reply you make you show yourself as this overly agressive idiot speaking with confidence about things you don't know anything about. You're the cliche of the /v/edditor.

>>38231
And by the way the reason I hate battlemech designs is because of how ugly they are, not because they're stolen. They are an affront to mechanical design. The universe is one of the most boring and cliche things ever, like oh my god its interstellar feudalism wow a galaxy in total war, wow there are baddies coming back from the fringes! What is it trying to say? What are the themes? What makes this different from any other thing? Boring, trite, ugly shit. The only reason people like it is because this was all there was in America up until recently. I have infinitely more respect for Warhammer fans since at least their universe is unique and there are some cool part to it.

>>38232
The concept is neofeudalism, and how all things must divide and come to an end eventually. I really like the lore, that everyone lives in the shadows of the great empire of the past.

>>38231
At least I'm not a sentimental bloatbag who cries foul at the first sign of resistance.
>Every reply you make you show yourself as this overly agressive idiot speaking with confidence about things you don't know anything about.
That's rich coming from someone who has so readily demonstrated they lack both acumen and experience. Likewise, your examples are pallid: conform, or straight homage. You are clouded by your opinion which you lord over this thread as if it is self-evident fact. The cliche of the clueless shutin who is afraid of what they do not know and instead dwell in their petty fantasies. Fuck you.
You had to the good sense to not contest your patently incorrect use of "enshittification". Stick to that.

>>38234
I don't care about 'enshittification'! It was a throwaway word. Are you legitimately retarded, or is this just what going on /v/ too much does to the brain? And oh my god, you're really denying that battletech has stolen designs? This is something battletech fans themselves talk about all the time! You are so stupid that I am suprised your caretaker allows you on the internet. The first post you made was the most edgy tryhard shit ever, saying I should 'play more games and develop real taste, jesus fucking christ'. Oh and I'm the bad guy now and I'm being a 'sentimental bloatbag' when you're the one aggroing on people? Get over yourself you self entitled piece of shit, take your anger management meds or go back to 4chan.