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The stormcloaks are transparently written to mirror fascism, the nazis and the death of weimar germany.
>leader aspired to a 'wholesome' passion in his youth(hitler - artist, ulfric - greybeard)
>enlisted to fight in the great war but was captured/injured (hitler - gas attack, ulfric - captured and tortured)
>his side lost and had a harsh and humuliating treaty forced onto it which generates profound feelings of resentment and betrayal due to vast reparations, restrictions and territorial losses (versailles treaty - white gold concordat)
>returns home and organises/gets involved in freikorps style paramilitary group of disgruntled and embittered veterans (freikorps/sa/dap - stormcloaks)
>this paramilitary group is sponsored by colonial landowners seeking to regain their estates from newly independent natives who have risen up in the wake of their oppressors defeat (silesia/baltics/rhineland - the reach)
>they restore their nations territorial losses and massacre minorities/political opponents while pushing at the restrictions of the treaty (silesia/rhineland/bavarian soviet - markarth incident)
>are betrayed by the establishment that doesn't want to push things too far and gradually ameliorate the treaty imprisoning the leader and making him a hero of revanchist patriots who rally around him following his release (beerhall putsch - markarth incident)
>the leader was originally an agent provocateur of foreign intelligence but now has his own momentum and pursuing his own goals (ᴉuᴉlossnW MI5 agent - ulfric thalmor dossier)

The thalmor are portrayed very much like nazis and their rhetoric of racial supremacy and appearance is meant to evoke that, but they mirror the japanese a lot more, with the aldmeri dominion being the greater east asian coprosperity sphere.

Gotta honestly admire bethesda for how they set up the stormcloak/imperial conflict. The fig leaf of 'religious freedom' and making sure the player has a negative first impression of the imperials has ensured that the split in allegiance within the playerbase has remained remarkably even for years with no general consensus ever being reached on who the 'right' side is.

>>38679
Nords are all settler colonizing genociders in Skyrim anyway, the indigenous peoples of that land are Elves and Reachmen

Don't care, I just wish to have a cute khajiit bf to snuggle and have hot gay sex with.

Honestly it goes either way for me.
>Are the storm cloaks white supremacists ?
From what ulfric says about about loyalty to Skyrim being the focus instead of Nord and non nord lines kind of paint the rebels as nationalist reactionaries than fascists themselves that got a rebellion going after the successful defeat of altmeri in hammerfell.
>Thalmor are neoliberal
Thalmor are the most Nazi group ever, down to eugenics and genocide and subjugation of non aryans

>>38693
Thalmor never genocided anyone tho, and by extension neither the Altmer

Nords did, and up to present times they glorify these criminals

stormcloaks are a generic rebel group. at most they are a bit on the national liberation side. the actually interesting separatist struggles are hammerfell and high rock

>>38701
ignoring the fact the altmer are just "cousins" of aylids, misters holocaulst 1.0, recently engaged in progroms of humans and bosmers at valenwood and creating a slavery chaste system like elves historically always done, you know, minor details, they deserve the Toussaint award.
you are correct about nords having way too much pride in the genocide and subjugation of the local elves as a foundational myth, no other human group has that level of hate against elves on their culture, and gets so funny when you compare them to the redguards, which matched word for word the history of the nords with elves, but have chilled more and abandoned these tendencies with the ages with their integration with the empire.
honestly it shows that the entire elder scrolls setting needs a wildcard ending where the hero puts everyone in jail.

>>38704
Aylids were victims of Holocaust not perpetrators

Pelinal was literally ES Hitler

ES has always been about indigenous Elves being genocided, subjugated, raped and enslaved by settler colonialists humans (who are invaders from Atmora)

>>38701
They didn't commit genocide, but they enacted ethnic cleansing in Alinor.

>>38722
>aylids didn't do noffin
they openly treated humans like israelites treat palestinians and engaged in massive slave trades of them.
pelinal is the world's strongest third worldist.
ES elves colonized and genocided the races that occupied tamriel like the bird man, they, like the humans, don't deserve respite.

>>38742
Pelinal was literally Hitler and settler colonizing humans should've never left Atmora in the first place

>>38745
Thalmor hands wrote these words.