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Without Colonel Soll, there would be no New Sordland!


Is it even possible to play as a commie without getting deposed/killed in this?


Yes but you either have to be pro-militarist and purge the oligarchs, or you have to go full dictator and purge the military. Basically, You either have to go Leninist or get Allende'd. 10/10 great cold war game.


So you have to use the emergency measures bill and fuck up the constitution? That sucks


Ironically, you can work with the Sollists and Nationalists to get a more auth constitution passed if you threaten/bribe the reformists in the USP.
Also tbf I did an Allende run and I wasn't coup'd: I was just removed for sponsoring the communists illegally. So it might be possible if you defund the military but pick Iosef's side in every other choice.


My fool-proof guide how to do a successful Allende run:
>Propose a moderate constitution. Limit your power, reduce term limits, reduce % barrier as much as you can, don't trigger the Sollists with the immunity for justices and ex-Presidents (perhaps you can put these in the draft and then bargain for lower % barrier, needs testing)
>Downplay your power levels when convincing the liberal justice later on and say you are changing the constitution in order to make it more democratic
>Don't rock the party boat past the boat and focus on fixing the economy
>Minister of Interior will try to coup you, but if you do this right then the party will crushingly vote her down
>Make a deal with Marcel Koronti
>Use all investment options that are presented to you
>Don't be afraid of a deficit, as negative income doesn't seem to do anything
>Fund Healthcare and Education. I think you can fund other 2 as well, since as I said, deficit does nothing, but its optional. But perhaps boos military to be safe.
>Give money to your cab driver so he could pay for his kids education. You do this because you are a nice person AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANY OTHER REASON
>To afford the last point, only invest 1 personal wealth at the start of the game, as you won't be able to afford it.
>Trade with Wiktor, that small nation Hegel attacks and Hegel. Ally with the later but stop at that point and don't join the Warsaw Pact. Naval docking rights are ok
>Nationalize the industrialist porky, leave Marcel alone
>Don't abolish conscription
>Pretty sure you can steal the Gendarmerie from Josef and give it to Interior and he doesn't mind enough to coup you
>Play hardball with the Monarchist fag. She will attack you just before the end game. Call in Hegel as an ally and let Josef btfo her even with your shitty army.
>Do whatever with other options. I picked the most socialist / liberal ones and it worked out fine
Important note. This was done on the earliest version of the game, so it might be different now, but I'd guess main points remain the same. Also I think if you get the assassination attempt during the parade, that might mean you are fucked, as I seem to recall that not triggering in my victory run and it going smoothly.


Surely if it's an Allende run, you are meant to get coup'd?


Deficit does matter: if you got below -3 before turn V you will cause a financial crisis that will tank your economic level. If you go too low before turn 9 (i think it varies depending on your economy) then you will get a debt crisis (which isn't as bad but still).



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I got Allende'd but I almost succeeded in my pacifist socialist run. I was assassinated during the re-election campaign that I was going to win and it turns out that even that could have been prevented since if you have 1 Personal Wealth on hand during a specific segment you can offer to fund your driver's kids to university and he gives you a good luck charm that changes the game trigger to save you from the assassination.This is so bizarrely unintuitive that I'm wondering why the devs even included that event path into the game but w/e.

IMO the 1988 Hidden Agenda game is much more realistic and difficult. I also heard that the Suzerain devs are neoliberal morons and that they recently updated the game to be more punishing on debt and running budget deficits which is so retarded that I suspect that the game's developers are majority German austerity hawks who all have pictures of Merkel framed on their desk tables.


The devs are mostly turks lol.


I don't like Erdogan but I respect that he recently refused an IMF structural adjustment programme even though everyone was screaming at him to go for it.spurdoSpurdo


>Make a deal with Marcel Koronti
I ended up getting the deal leaked. I guess it's because I created a media oversight committee or something…


I mean yeah that's probably a bad idea if you agreed to be corrupt on behalf of a media tycoon. Though this game is an accurate simulation of why politicians are how they are, they can't make any good anti-corruption measures because they'll get caught by them


So if you ally with Hegel but don't join the not-Warsaw pact you won't get couped? It seems Iosef gets pissed off at you only if you join it.
Another question regarding the budget: is there any reason not to give money to healthcare and law enforcement?
I think education makes liberals like you more, but you need healthcare to stop the polio. If you do the right moves with the military it seems don't need to increase their budget, but you need law enforcement to create the anti corruption police.


> is there any reason not to give money to healthcare
Nah spending on healthcare saves you money later (as you need to vaccinate people for polio), and if you privatise you get that money back.
>and law enforcement?
No unless you are doing an anarchist run. Tho if you are keeping all the factions friendly it may be an idea not to target anyone using the anti corruption or secret polices.
Also if you don't fund the police, Linias is more likely to challenge you to the USP leadership.
Only real reason not to is making sure you don't get a financial crash and/or a debt crisis.


damn this games actually great. doing a blind first run so not reading the other replies but wish me luck i think im almost do e


i lost reelection very badly, Lileas defected from my cabinet and took over the party, Lucian betrayed me to join her, i had the Sordish Great Depression

but i retired peacefully and wrote an autobiography, my wife remained in politics, and my son was educated in United Cortana

i wish i knew whether or not your changes get repealed if you lose, i made good advances in healthcare, military modernization, education, and infrastructure, but i didnt know that you could/should run a deficit until like halfway through the playthrough so i initially only invested in healthcare and the military

just how different is the game depending on your choices? is it worth doing other playthroughs?


>just how different is the game depending on your choices? is it worth doing other playthroughs?
Considering you are still alive, very very different.


The game differs a lot depending on your choices.
BTW, a bit of deficit is good (-1/-2) but more than that and your economy is fucked.


Is there any disadvantage to choosing the wealthy background at the start so you get more personal wealth?


None I think, it changes some dialogues like every other family background.


Apparently now it gives you some electoral negatives.


I think if you buy 3 shares at the beginning of the game, a trade war between ATO and CSP will fuck you up.


Ah I wondered if there would be some drawback there.


I haven't played Suzerain yet. But I can bet that if someone puts a good game like Collapse but with a better IU like Suzerain looks to me, or Rogue State in that way it will get a good amount of traction.
Or what do you think? What should be necessary to do a masterpiece of this genre?


I am a big fan of Kremlingames despite their flaws but Suzerain is far and away much better. Biggest issue with it rn is that replayability is limited by not having any intuitive way to skip through dialogue youve seen before.


Rogue State is shit tbh. There's literally no reason to play it more than once.


It's not amazing but it's more legible than a Kremlingame TBH. Also like I said last time the theme is fire



>So if you ally with Hegel but don't join the not-Warsaw pact you won't get couped? It seems Iosef gets pissed off at you only if you join it.
Iosef is to busy fighting the war, and he likes you for letting him have a nice war. No matter what you do, there will be no coup if there is war (which is almost inevitable if you're non-aligned)


yeah but after one playthrough, you've seen it all. Like the pandemic always strikes at that first point of the game, which just railroads your development. it's pointless, the only difference is slightly different starting parameters.
Whereas Suzerain you can be everything from Thatcher to Peron to Charles De Gaulle or worse.


You don't always get the pandemic, there's like 4 different national crises IIRC, one of them is international economic crash and I forget the other two


Suzerain is also highly constrained. For instance your son is always a retard who flunks out of school no matter how you treat him, your daughter is always supportive and kind, your wife is always a shrieking feminist harpy who will literally divorce you if you don't bend over backwards for her pet initiatives (it never happened to me because the subtext was obvious and I was in favour anyways but I saw people complaining and they made me realize how retarded it was for the devs to automatically assume your wife was super feminist even if you play as a hardcore nationalist who supported the Young Sords in the prologue) and your cabinet is composed of some of the most braindead sleazy neoliberals ever besides the education minister (the only bearable minister besides Nia) who is obviously a communist hiding in plain sight, and the Sollists who stopped caring about principles years ago besides defending the public sector, and who happen to be too busy playing ridiculously convoluted and Machiavellian power games to retain control and stomp out democratic reform to have much input.

None of your choices even matter in Suzerain because you're railroaded along into so many forced outcomes and events.

What Suzerain excels at is
A) Mostly ok writing
B) Good universe and character building - almost everyone feels like they could be real
C) Presentation - ex. Sound, Music, and UI design

But in terms of actual real choices it's a joke. Outside of the Constitutional Reform package I felt like nothing was ever particularly impactful and doing the Constitution Reform on a second try made me realize that it too was highly railroaded (for instance initial reports on votes in favour will always imply you are not going to pass it even when you already have a resounding majority in favour). Likewise for the Supreme Court vote Nia will always contact her favorite judge who will interrogate you on checks and balances. Your best friend will always be an asshole that cheats on his wife. Your secretary will always be a foreign spy.thinkThink


Yeah but the stuff that is consistent are the personal interactions, as opposed to the course of the game. Even passing a broadly reformist constitution can be wildly different on every run.
Also iirc they are changing stuff about your wife, in part because of complaints. I get what they were doing: She's Evita Perón, but yeah she did divorce me on my Hitler run and like, dude, you married Hitler.


But yeah I mostly agree, a lot of the stuff is railroaded (the personal character development) but the direction and mechanics of how a government can go. Like the difference between a mild sollist and a socdem reformist government are p big, let alone going full Neo-Sollist.


Any other games generally like this besides Kremlingames? I like the feeling of actually interacting with your cabinet as a character and branching impactful choices but there's only so many times I'm willing to click through the same dialogue to see if I can get a different outcome.


Just played ainternational_brigadeInternational Brigade


Well shit, sorry for doubleposting but I hit New Reply on accident because I'm a retard.

Just played about 6-7 straight hours and was really engrossed! I do feel that maybe the Ironman schtick is a bit too harsh as I went to war with Rumburg too early without having sufficiently beefed up my military or developed alliances with ATO/CSP and having to start all over again is a bit of a bummer.

The game really does present you with some interesting choices though, without too much of a bias. I am a bit disappointed that apparently spiralling debt isn't too much of a problem as it was a huge factor in how I ran my game and by far what I thought about the most (maybe part of the reason I lost). I did reduce maternal deaths by 86% though :)


Hidden Agenda is the grandaddy of all of these: but it's a bitch to work.


Debt is a problem if you have a weak economy, and it causes a public opinion malus.


Is the negative influence on public opinion offset by the positive effects of what your money is going towards? I've heard "relieved welfare" which is the passive effect of well-funded education + healthcare does wonders for your popularity. I've heard a lot of disagreement on the numbers behind this game, though, as it seems purposefully scarce with showing them.


I don't know (or I can't remember) if the other two are the coup by your brother, the terrorist outbrake and the wars.
Fucking wars, always destroying my hardearned infraestructure


Yeah I mean if the economy is doing well people don't care about the deficit.


The coup by your brother always happens I am p sure, at the end of the game (I beat it first time by just being popular as fuck so the public let me pull a Chavez).


That's right, your brother always tries to coup you at the end, unless you really fuck up and make the army hate you which makes him coup you earlier (and is harder to succeed in) And wars aren't counted as a national crisis, they just happen very occasionally if you have belligerent neighbours.


…you have a brother?


We're talking about Rogue State here not Suzerain, sorry lol.


>You don't always get the pandemic, there's like 4 different national crises IIRC, one of them is international economic crash and I forget the other two
Black Tuesday/2nd Great depression - big debt
Pandemic - always happens, does nothing with good healthcare
War - happens if you don't join a superpower pact or don't bend over backwards to Rumburg
Military Coup - happens if there is no war, you deviate too far from Sollism and don't go Stalin on the Old Guard.
Capital flight/Oligarch flight - happens if you're Socialist, and don't arrest with a buffed up internal security, or manipulate the Bilderberg Club. Also assassination attempt - not technically a crisis.


Bruh we still weren't talking about Suzerain


this is just a glorified visual novel


Hey it has stats and charts and everything. But yes it is a narrative based game sure.


the autosaving mechanic stopped being cool after the first playthrough and too many aspects of the story are static and never change accordingly with your choices. but still i would be lying if i said i didn't have a good time. also got pretty bummed when the game actually ended right before the second term


It's called adventure game.


Yeah, it's pretty dumb. You just have to back up your saves manually


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Look like Rogue State now has a remaster


I don't recommend it yet TBH, it's buggy and overlong, very repetitive. The corruption mechanic and infinitely respawning BLF camps are awful and force you to track units around the map every turn even when you just wanna skip ahead.


Anyone play the game recently with all the updates?


Haven't really touched it since I went crazy on it for a few days after I first got it. I'm still planning on doing more playthroughs, but it strikes me as the kind of game that needs a bit of time inbetween runs because of all the stuff that stays identical throughout every playthrough. Got sort of tedious to me especially after failing key moments like the new constitution vote.

What'd they change, though?


when i think of adventure games, i think about something like zelda, and not a game whose gameplay consists of reading text and clicking to advance to the next text


Zelda is an action/adventure game
The first adventure games were text-based



Well besides bug fixes and wierd text corrections, they made constitutional reform a bit harder and they made it so that there are more good and bad synergies between choices that help with economic recover (eg. Now investing into both healthcare and education gives a slight boost to economy, afaik)

They also added endgame screens with summaries and a customizable portrait.

At this point you could wait until they do a doc, but I think it's worth retrying since it's likely the last chance to beat the game before major story addons or alterations.


They made constitutional reform even harder? It already seemed impossible to pass le ebin Stalin constitution without cheating



You basically need to go 50% Stalin and focus the anti corruption or secret state police on the old guard, as well as carefully word what you say to the moderate judges.

My main want going the Stalin route is the expanded presidential decrees tbh (To purge the military & control the central bank). The rest can be negotiated.


You can, but you have to use every opportunity to swing votes.


>Control the central bank
So dumb that they don't allow you to do this on a pacifist reformist run. Central bank independence is a neolib meme that DIDN'T EVEN EXIST UNTIL FRIEDMAN THOUGHT IT UP holy shit just nuke U of Chicago nothing good ever came from that place.



Definitely agree that the intensity rating of the decrees available is not proportionate. Like desollinization and media control should be much harder to do compared to taking back central bank control for example.


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>be gommunist
>respect the gonstitution
I tried doing this and the old guard deepstate fags cockblocked it by having Soll himself show up to vote down my moderate reform bill.
This is what got me too. After the constitutional cockblock I burned any remaining bridges with the conservatives and went all the way with Bludish rights, women's rights, allying with the communist countries, telling Rumburg to suck it. But the economy tanked and Serge died saving me from getting Sadat'd during the parade Then I had an impeachment coming for funding the Red Youth, and the military was still planning to coup me even though I took Iosif's side every time.

There should have been an option to get the Red Youth/communist party to make you their leader and essentially cuck the USP with Malenyev's help to protect yourself from internal threats. Especially if Contana is supposed to be controlling them behind the scenes. Seems very weird.
The biggest downside of a commie/eastern alliance run is that you have ZERO internal power base, your only allies are foreign governments and most of your ministers think you're an idiot or a traitor. Even being maximum nice to the Bludish and letting the political prisoners out they just teamed up and made the independent guy their candidate. They felt very unfinished.


The Old Guard are actually among your best allies doing a communist run. Looking back I think it's a bit of subtle meta-commentary on how nationalist goals can align with a hard left push given the right circumstances.
If you join with them in the Emergency Decree route they demand you nationalize more of the economy.
If you work against them in a reformist path Nia can root out the corrupt Old Guard and the rest will default to supporting you because they're the only people besides the communists who don't want to privatize education and healthcare lol.
And of course they're also the only faction that understands the danger of Rumberg and who are suspicious of not-America (forgot what the nation was called that was the equivalent of America) and who managed to figure out that some of the leading opposition figures were literally being financed by the NED.


Oh I forgot to add: giving Lileana (forgot her name but the pro-cop law and order person Nia has to work with in the interior ministry) extra funding to allow the Old Guard to form a Secret Police is also one of the only ways to stop inevitable Capital Flight during a communist run. Nia's anti corruption squad can root out tax evasion, but it is only the Old Guard that has the capability, connections, force, and will to completely neutralize the Oligarchs as well as to stop any assassination attempts they plan against you.

The other option would be to cut a deal with the media oligarch to form a temporary alliance, and to refrain from nationalizing the media but at the same time nationalizing all his rivals. In exchange he will keep media tame for you and capital flight won't occur because a sense of normalcy is being cultivated. Capital Flight will still occur if you renege on the deal mid-way and nationalize his assets.



Not always:

you can cut a deal with marcel and then renege on the deal with full nationalization, and then goad Aven, Tusk and Marcel into insulting you and then arresting them. Marcel tattles on the deal but Karl's a loyalist, so if you've been doing good with Lucian, it won't leak.


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This game is awesome even if I haven't managed to finish it without getting couped or impeached


I personally loved doing a pragmatic sleezebag communist run where I sided with Coronti in a mutual relationship where he will save my ass in the media front and I'll destroy all his rivals by nationalizing everything but the media. Ended up becoming a sort of reformist Nasser type figure who got as close to the not-USSR as possible, kicked Rumburgs ass together with now-loyal general staff that was bribed with a budget bump and the help of Chairman Hegel.


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Fellas, I think I may have fucked this up (I was trying to be sorta centrist and preserve the free market while taking bribes but doing welfare, it obviously didn't work)


Playing as a Dengist works really freaking well.


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Me again - much like Crisis in the Kremlin, it's much easier to pursue economical liberalism and political liberalisation at the same time. Alas.

I'm not sure what you would consider Dengism, going for the emergency powers act while doing free market?

Without de-Sollinisation, there can be no future for Sordland!


Being a reformist but close to UC. I went free market but focused east, and told my son about my red youth past/how communism is good/sent him to UC for education. Also appeased Koronti so that made it easier to worm out of any political issue in the media. (If you take his deal while doing a planned economy, this also helps prevent capital flight, just make sure you don't take any of his bribes - no car, cigar, nothing.)


I love this game. The sweet screams of porkys dragged away as i seize their "hard earned" assets…
Anyway, is here a way to win war with Rumburg without increased military spending? I'm allied with Valgsland, agreed to Iosef's plan to sell old military equipment to buy new one, and still have conscription. Am i completely fucked and here is no way out of this worst possible ending? Or is here some kind of strategy that works in my situation? I tried different tactics, but i still get blown out with their chemical weapons every time.


If you are in the communist bloc then they should be deterred regardless right? I joined ATO and they didn't do shit.


Is it possible in emergency route? I'm pretty sure Old Guard will have my head.


> You either have to go Leninist or get Allende'd.
Honestly, accurate.
I’m sympathetic towards democracy but capitalist encirclement often fucks that up.


I dunno, I've not played the old guard route


tfw playing as radical Malenyevist and still getting daddy Soll's support when declaring war on the Rum pigs solo and winning.


Yeah, he's not that bad. At least, unlike all real life fascists, he actually kept oligarchs down instead of putting them in charge of economy. It makes sense that he would agree to disagree on social issues, as long as you keep Sordland strong and independent.


Don't conscript, just upgrade your guns, take a trade deal with Wehlen without joining Beartrap, then back up Wiktor's claims at the United Nations so Rumburg gets sanctioned into oblivion. Also ally with United Contana.


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My latest game (think I'll stop now for a bit but wanted to try an emergency powers run)

Ahh, sounds good, I never even considered free market/CSP or planned/ATO, I figured they wouldn't let you join. Personally I don't think taking bribes really does that much, Paskal resigns from the cabinet before the election but it's not that big a deal, on the other hand having personal wealth doesn't mean that much either so you can always just not take them (if you start as wealthy and invest in Armatech you get a shitload of money anyway).

Can now confirm that you can join CSP in old guard route, even with extending the emergency to the election, all you need to do is agree to tighten immigration and fully nationalise Bergia Steel and HOS and they will continue to support you (obviously might be a bit different depending on smaller choices you make).

Nice, Soll was more positive towards me in the cinema restroom on this route than I've ever seen him before, he just loves emergency powers I guess (go figure).


coming back to the game after a long time and Im really struggling with the economy tbh
Does it matter which company I use to build the first mega project when encouraging a planned economy? having to spend an extra budget point to have it complete on time is lame. Also, is making a deal with Agnolia worth it? If I recognize their claim to the island, does that prevent me from allying with UC down the road?
Ive gone from increasing the budget across the board to only increasing law enforcement and healthcare, hopefully my economy doesn't implode this time


I dunno if it cuts off UC, but for sure it cuts off Heligoland (or whatever) trade deal which isn't worth it IMO, I think it's best to just agree to the steel price that Agnolia wants, you still get some of the trade benefits from the deal.


I ended up agreeing to their terms but now Im -3 in budget just before I need to spend another 2 to do nationalizations. I guess I shouldn't have invested in Bergia and Morna port? idfk


Possibly not. I find nationalisation runs to be much harder than privatisation ones.


I was straight up ready to merc that guy until he assasinate me. I'm going to get that charm from the car driver to protect me from assasins and find a way to kill his ass if possible.



If you do not pick the SSC for megaprojects, you get a slightly smaller economic recovery I think due to the "confused economic policy"


can you get 225 votes from the Assembly while doing a dictatorial constitution? I was able to get 170ish without campaign financing so I wonder if I can get the rest with it. Its the only way I can get the votes I need from the Supreme court since I need SSP for oligarchs and will nationalize HOS


No for the dictatorship constitution you need both wings of your party (USP) as well as the nationalists (NF) which will demand that you pass an anti-Blud bill so you lose the independents and you automatically lose everyone else in the assembly since the rest of the parties want to decentralize power.


Thanks for the detailed answer but lame. I guess I'll have to compromise on the SSP and have the oligarchs extradited instead


You can't use the Secret Police against the Old Guard because the Old Guard ARE the Secret Police (run by Lileas lol). The only options to target via SSP are the Oligarchs, the political opposition, or the punching bag minority blamed for everything (Bluds).


Second term dlc when


it should be noted that you can fake out the nationalists by doing the languages in school order and then giving them nothing else you promised, this requires dialog choices after the constitution is passed that are kind of tricky and almost require hindsight. your aides basically go "are we really doing an alliance with them?" and you have to be like "actually lets not". The supreme court was way harder to convince for me


Watching everyone have a hard time convince the Supreme Court makes me feel like the playerbase is genuinely retarded.

I didn't even need a guide and got the conversation with Edmonds correctly the very 1st time. All you have to do is be patient and choose all the obvious answers that try to argue that you're actually do this "for democracy" lol since it's obvious that she's afraid of a power grab. You can even sic Nia on the Old Guard with her anti corruption squad during a dictatorship constitution playthrough for extra luls because she's not going to turn down the power and opportunity just to spite you, and she works with you until she's done getting them all arrested.

The game is too easy in dialogue related moments. The difficulty comes from the dev's hardcore neoliberal bias raging against you running budget deficits and offering up free budget money every time you privatize with no negative consequences. When in reality it should be the other way around (nationalization gives you extra budget funds and lower overall efficiency, and privatization does the opposite).


>dev's hardcore neoliberal bias
>nationalization gives you extra budget funds and lower overall efficiency, and privatization does the opposite


He meant it should be like that, in game, nationalisation costs you money and causes problems, whereas privatisation gives you money and solves problems (if you do it in the right way). In some ways I think this is kinda realistic, because for a president with 2.5 years or so left of his term, privatisation would be politically useful and give short term cash, though yes it should make inequality a lot worse than it does. Overall liberal democrat is the easiest and 'best' way to play the game mechanically from my experience. This is a problem shared by many government sims though most of them at least make social democracy the optimal route (ie. Democracy series, most all citybuilders, etc etc)


>He meant it should be like that, in game,
OK, give me a reason why nationalized industry will become less efficient. Reason that isn't a load of neoliberal bullshit, because i can't think of any.

Also, we're playing as a reformist, not a hardline revolutionary. It makes sense you have to pay compensations. Hell, even revolutionaries had to more often than not. And i'm pretty sure it gives you more budget later on.


It doesn't give you more money later on as far as I remember, I'm pretty sure it doesn't give any benefits except for the fact it can be used to screw over one of the oligarchs (but you can do that in the privatisation path too and it causes way more issues with the oligarchs overall).


Because with nationalized industry socialists usually keep a lot of people employed just for the sake of reaching full employment targets even if it would make the sector as a whole less productive. It's either that or divert funds away from the sector to the general budget thereby impairing future investment.

And no it doesn't give you more budget later on it's a net loss in-game which is just stupid.



Nationalization doesn't by itself hurt economic development; Its only if you piss off both Tusk and Koronti that it does, without sticking the secret police on them that is.

You actually get an efficiency bonus from consistency if you picked planned economy.


>Because with nationalized industry socialists usually keep a lot of people employed just for the sake of reaching full employment targets even if it would make the sector as a whole less productive. It's either that or divert funds away from the sector to the general budget thereby impairing future investment.
Look, if you have to cover for high unemployment and budget deficit — you obviously have a full-on economic crisis. And yes, governments frequently try to remedy a crisis with nationalizations. By buying failed porky companies, usually. And trying to present cause as effect is exactly that: a neoliberal bullshit.

I see. I must have really botched that capitalist
run then.


No that's not what I'm saying.
The neoliberal approach (what you're describing):
>Nationalize a company nearing bankruptcy because the CEOs donated to your political campaign and have the taxpayer fund it until it's profitable again whereupon it will be privatized again (examples: British Tories and the Railways, American Democrats/Republicans and bank bailouts)

The critique of certain socialist approaches:
>Nationalize SUCCESSFUL/market leader companies, and then saddle them with additional employment targets (lowering productivity), as well as using the company money as a slush fund to be diverted to general national budget expenditures such as Healthcare, Education, Infrastructure, etc. (which hurts the enterprise as a whole because there is less to invest on active development of services/products, a rainy day fund, development for new services, etc.)

You don't have to be in an economic crisis for the above to still be true. Socialist governments generally WILL mandate a certain amount of ""useless"" jobs in random sectors to ensure they reach their 100% employment goal, and since budget balancing is hard for literally everyone, even central planners will give in to the temptation of funneling money from the most productive enterprises into the general budget to mask or counter deficits. I'm not saying that doing this is bad or incorrect, but I do think socialists have to be realistic about certain drawbacks of state enterprises and the respective dangers.


Also this ties into my critique of the actual game because nationalization would imply that governments can take money from the newly nationalized enterprises to plug holes in the annual national budget but the developers are such neoliberal retards they didn't even think of this very basic point that all socialist countries have exploited before. There is zero reason to not also give additional budget funds on the nationalization path for Suzerain besides ideological bias.



It would be good perhaps if the game was clearer/gave the option on whether the nationalization was with or without compensation.

Maybe with the trade off being that with compensation doesn't trigger capital flight but has a one off costs budget cost whereas without is free but causes capital flight.


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this is my latest game, by my reckoning the only way to have your cake and eat it too on the left wing agenda is going full dictator. What i wonder about is if a similar run is possible where i nationalize koronti's stuff and still get re-elected


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Just confirming that you are correct. I even got the Bluds on board this time and spent 4 wealth points on lobbying and it only made a different of 10 votes in the Assembly. Good thing I had the ACP this time around
Everything was going well until that Graf lady challenged me for leadership of the Party, I think I pissed her off by letting Iosif keep the Gendarmie but it couldn't be helped because I defunded the military and didnt want to piss him off further.
Graf won the election, so I joined the commies and got BTFO (I assume it doesnt help that I raised the election threshold to 15%) and retired. Pretty sure i could've just stuck the ACP on the opposition (or is it the old guard) instead of the oligarchs to prevent that, but now I want to know how to win the elections after leaving the USP


i pirated the game specifically cause of this thread
played it over the past day or so
it was okay, being able to larp as a dick takter was interesting, and i'm glad it didnt railroad into NOOOO NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PATH OR BAD ENDING
i dont think there's much replay value, though, and i most likely wont play it again


Lileas is pretty nuanced she's probably the most far left Sollist and she's also religious so there are many minor things you can do to up her approval and stop her leadership challenge even if you go full Commie.
Funding her Ministry, allowing for creationism to continue to be taught in schools, veto-ing the anti-Blud Religious Harmony Bill, building the highway in the poor region instead of cucking to the oligarchs and their railway, etc. all gain approval from her.
On the other hand if you just want to stop the challenge without conceding a few things you can either sic the ACP on the Old Guard which gets rid of not only Lileas but every Old Guard in government, or start the war with Rumberg (which cancels not only the party congress but also any military coup attempt because of imminent attack).

You can win the election as an independent party after losing the ladership challenge. Winning the war against Rumberg pretty much makes you a shoo in. Otherwise getting economy to max and enough of a large voter bloc will do the trick.


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Big 2.0 update is out.


So is it worth replaying?


Seems to be quite extensive update.
I am genuinely shocked the game is still worked on. Remember making the first Suzerain thread on this board years ago.


It's cool, but, I would prefer to hear from someone before I sink a bunch more hours into it.

Some indie devs just prefer to keep updating their games if they made it a big success and can afford to keep working on it - very admirable, obviously. I am kind of looking forward to a sequel though.


Seems pretty substantial from what I've played.
New scenes with Gus and Alphonso, intervening on a bludish rights court case, new economic decisions on tourism, energy industry, and environmental regulations, more reactivity to previous decisions (Leke/Bluds were big mad at the Whelen deal and more superficial gestures didn't appease them anymore).


>more reactivity to previous decisions (Leke/Bluds were big mad at the Whelen deal and more superficial gestures didn't appease them anymore).

Ugh, every game I took that free oil though


Alphonso is now shown to be more of a bourgeois rat who stays in the country and runs his gas company in the poorest regions of Sordland instead of just being le heckin wholesome former president reformarino fella.
And when the communist guy and union lady stir up an angry crowd outside during your meeting with him, he and Gus offer to let you run away in a helicopter like Ceausescu instead of facing them


Alphonso was always a bourgeois rat.
Soll and the Sollists represent state capitalism.
The reformists are the bourgeoisie-backed neoliberal puppets who want to decentralize to remove the power of the government and also push economic reforms for privatizations.
Kind of sucks. The developers are liberal rats who made it much tougher to run a planned economy. Funding ministries went up to costing -3 budget EACH. You start with 7 budget now but that's actually 5 in reality because you always have to do the stimulus bill in order to maintain your economy enough to raise corporate taxes for +3 to stop debt getting out of control. Then add in all the fucking new policies that cost money (Gaspom investment, Farm investments, Green bill, Tourism bill, etc.) and couple that with the fact that the amount of money raised hasn't changed from the old version (taxes remained the same and don't give more) and it's become a massively shitty neoliberal propaganda game where you either have to cut back on vital ministries and development initiatives or initiate privatization to stop from entering a debt crisis. Since free market runs have always been easier this will just force everyone to liberalize. Oh and did I mention that there are now severe penalties for being in debt in mid or late game even with the economy recovering that now affect welfare like healthcare and education? Ridiculous.


>green bill

isn't this game supposed to be set in like 1950s-60s?

That sucks, free market run is basically just free money but if you want to do socialism you get stymied at every turn. I get that's partly realistic but at least you should be able to get more help from the left like merging with the socialist party and so on.


yeah sollists are alright, we collaborated a lot in my playthrough. i still purged them, desollinizated the country and arrested soll because his conservative cult of personality and fetishism of the past is counterrevolutionary


Gloria Tory will always be the best VP and the fact that she tries to screw you over hard if you privatize healthcare makes the Sollists the easiest domestic faction to colllaborate with in any socialist run. The most hilarious ending is losing to Lileas who then becomes president and then she immediately initiates a mass nationalization program to screw over the petite bourgeoisie. There is a latent and seething hatred towards capitalists that the conservative Sollists were indoctrinated into by Soll.


I don't know how to thread the needle between conservative Sollists and liberal reformers. I end up automatically siding with the liberals every time even though I do nationalisation/funding for agencies. Maybe it's because I always side with my wife, but cmon, happy wife happy life.


On the other hand it seems like you can take on more debt without too many issues? Or was it always like this. Im only on turn 7 but at one point had like -14 GB now down to -9 seemingly without any consequences. There was a trade war but idk if thats related


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I was able to just power through the debt crisis and trade war while going fully planned economy. Maybe the negative modifers are avoidable entirely, I doubt I played optimally. The only compromises I can recall making were using Taurus for the first megaproject; intially vetoing the WRA before passing it after the protest; and investing in Gasom/setting EPA to 49%/selling 2/3rds shares. Otherwise I funded all ministries but defence which i defunded, nationalized everything, privatized nothing and passed most of the bills except for the GREEN bill and the childrens welfare thingy.
Again, I think I could've played more optimally. Some folks claim you can get away with not funding the first megaproject. Alternatively I think if I used the state company but accepted the delay then that's only one money spent and the next megaproject is free? havent confirmed that though. Finally I wasnt able to extradite the oligarchs because diplo with Arcasia never was an option for reasons I dont understand. Less capital flight and another trade partner would be nice. If the devs changed the game so that planned economies cant engage with the West, because I know I've done it in the past, then I at least could've joined CSP. Alternatively I mightve just fucked up early on and promised I'd align with the East or be neutral


Trade War can be avoided by balancing your budget between 6 and -6 the first few turns, I think Economics and Student Council backgrounds give you a bit more breathing room here. Debt crisis effects can be lessened by signing the central bank reinforcement act and later removing central bank independence if you have strengthened decrees.
>passed most of the bills except for the GREEN bill
Green is good if you're siding with CSP. Tourism synergy + public opinion boost, the economic penalty is negated since Malenyev will later give you a free agriculture industry expansion.
>Some folks claim you can get away with not funding the first megaproject.
First infrastructure project generally isn't worth doing anymore, yes.
>Alternatively I might've just fucked up early on and promised I'd align with the East or be neutral
This would be it, economic plans don't affect diplomacy unless you go through with either privatization or nationalization.


>happy wife happy life
all you have to do is pay her lip service, no need to enact reforms or actually give her a voice in anything


DLC March 25th


Looks cool, I wonder if you will be able to abolish yourself


Has anyone tried the new DLC yet?


Yeah it's pretty good, I was a bit pissed off over certain things that can't really explain without spoilers but overall a fun time. The new war system seems incomprehensible at first but eventually makes sense. Overall good fun and much like the base game.


You didn't really think the funny guy would make this easy, did you?


Actually he was fine, it was stuff with Pales and the arbitration that pissed me off.


Ya didn't suck up and didn't want to go to war? Got couped like the weak king you are?


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Look at this petite bourgeois paper defending it's class base of support



>small/medium… corporations
So this is what the zoomers mean by "mom 'n' pop shops?"


Radical are probably an Arcasian/Lespian psy-op.


They support radical capitalism it seems. It's the Reason Magazine.


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>It's the Reason Magazine.
I wouldn't go that far. They are just left-shit liberal yellow journal, targeting low info uni students


Why do lolberts hate protectionism again? It localizes competition. Isn't that a good thing? Either that or you get American oligopolies trumping everything with aggressive marketing. Like, they say that they hate monopolies, that the blossoming free market provides more jobs, and yet with free trade we get the opposite (compared to, say, fair trade, which is much more based).


Even Marx thought protectionism was bad.

I did go to war and I was winning too but I democratised and parliament peaced out, I got half the gas field out of it though. I was pissed that the gas field arbitration vote went against me even though I got every country to vote for me other than the religious schizo country and Lespia, which seems pretty unfair. Apparently you can get blackmail material which makes Lespia side with you but I didn't get that because I shared intelligence with Wiktor, even though it's not like he releases the information anyways so surely I should be able still use it surely? Oh well whatever.


>Even Marx thought protectionism was bad.
He thought it was bad because it decreased the contradictions of capitalism, not because it's bad as in harmful. Besides, fair trade doesn't lock down all the trade. Only with economic superpowers. You can still have your contradictions. But hey, if welfare pacifies the workers then might as well support a libertarian party by this point, I dunno. Oh, wait, electoralism, I forgot.


>He thought it was bad because it decreased the contradictions of capitalism, not because it's bad as in harmful.
You said the same thing twice. It harms the proletarian movement and association by restricting the free flow of capital.


Now that I think about it. Can Marxists potentially ally with lolberts?


>it's not like he releases the information anyways
He does. He literally does. It makes it easier for you to get Zillie through AN arbitration and pleases Wehlen, so you might not even have to.

If you send Titus after Su Omina and don't cooperate, you can use it as a chip against Lespia in negotiations. If you exhaust every option, but the last, you can bring up the spy, and either Lespia will give up Rusty to you, and you can nationalize RRG (for +5) or you can have them veto any sanctions against you, if you're going to war.

You will always lose AN arbitration, if you have a shit global image for being a racist asshole, accept ships from Valgsland, and keep ships in the field.


>Now that I think about it. Can Marxists potentially ally with lolberts?
And thus, the united front was born


I don't remember him releasing the information. Even if he did I feel like that being public domain would help my case at the AN right?? That Pales' primary backer is sponsoring terrorism against me. I did manage to get Zille back though without the AN so that's something. Wiktor is a funny guy!

In seriousness the only reason I would prolly consider playing it again is to follow up on the fact that if you pursue a pro-Valgsland foreign policy Hegel rings you up at some point and is like 'I think we may have a common interest which you have been keeping from everyone around you… is that right?' and you can be like 'assuming that was the case, now is not the right time, and I wouldn't admit it anyway', which makes me think there is some goofy Manchurian candidate path where you allow the country to have a socialist uprising. Possibly added to by the drinking game where you can be like 'sometimes I wish that the republican revolution had succeeded'. But no idea if that's a real fully fleshed out path or just a tease/an afterthought.


If you note the curious "Flagship" unit that there is no way to obtain, it's safe to say the DLC isn't finished.


I figured that was just to give the AI some advantage lol.

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