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I have never seen a show cause more butthurt on /tv/ than this. What are leftypols thoughts?

Just started season 2 this show is amazing so far.

I have seen a lot of right wing normies try to cope and say the show makes fun of everyone. But nope, the show is pretty firmly leftist just like most good media.

One valid criticism i did see on /tv/ is that the show seems to lean on black mail over and over for solving shit/advancing the plot.

>>10814
I noticed that too but I don't think its unrealistic thats how things move in the corporate world.

looks like capeshit to me

I don't care if it's supposed to be serious 'n sheet, this nonsense has got to stop. you don't have to rely on characters in spandex to tell a story. US culture is turning hard to strict stylization without any of the dignity you usually get from stylization

>>10810
Haven't started the show yet but I read the comic a couple months ago; looking back on it I think it's okay. It's definitely a product of the post-9/11 era. I was too young to be seriously affected by that event, so a lot of Garth Ennis' attempts at sincerity kinda fell flat for me. It's hard to take anything seriously when you have things like Jack from Jupiter getting cancelled for having orgies with trans sex workers or Black Noir's rape baby bursting from the womb of Butcher's wife, alive and with laser eyes. Any commentary on the US military industrial complex gets squandered by Ennis' own quaint patriotism. I've heard that this is more apparent in War Stories, but that's pretty far removed from the kind of setting The Boys originally took place in. As far as capeshit satire goes, I'd probably place it third next to Marshal Law and the Rick Veitch's The One.

>>10820
Oh, and it shouldn't go without saying that Darick Robertson's artwork is an acquired taste. His tendency to go off-model can be jarring for some, but I think this along with his transition to digital color, it works. If I had read this at the same time I read Transmetropolitan in high school a decade ago, I would have absolutely fallen in love with it.

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>>10819
Agreed, I refuse to watch any capeshit on principle for the last like 4 years.

>>10826

It’s funny to me to think that Alan Moore has been lambasting capeshit for decades and it’s only gotten more popular. I was never a comic reader, so this has all just started to annoy me in the last 10 years. I can’t imagine how annoying it would be to have your career based in comic books, be loudly criticizing the proliferation of super heroes throughout the medium, only to have that continuously elevated until half of mass entertainment is just capeshit. Moore must have accidentally unleashed this demon with whatever magic bullshit he is tampering with.

>>10826
>>10827
Garth Ennis gets meme'd a lot for his outspoken hatred of capeshit, though. He originally pitched The Boys to DC using their characters. When DC said no, they put him on Wildstorm instead (an imprint of theirs that had become known for creator-owned titles). It was cancelled after six issues because.. have either of you read it? The plot revolves around a guy joining a clandestine CIA group to get revenge against the superhero who wronged him. All of the members of this group have similar intentions and so together, they set out to kill as many superheroes as they can. There's commentary on capeshit becoming the pop culture zeitgeist (including the comics industry's role in exploiting and propagandizing certain things and people) to weapons research being used as a cudgel for US imperialism in general (similar to what the US Military was actually doing in the late 90s/early 00s). There's even a great flashback scene where the corporation responsible for the mass production of superheroes trying to field test a bunch of their "prototypes" at the Battle Of The Bulge during WW2 and failing spectacularly. There are jabs at Marvel, as well: the X-Men exist as the G-Men, and The Boys' equivalent of Professor X is a literal pedophile. There's a whole arc dedicated to their extermination by depleted uranium bullets. I'm not sure how much of this has made it into the show (again, I've yet to watch it), but if that doesn't interest you then I don't what will.

>>10814
>One valid criticism i did see on /tv/ is that the show seems to lean on black mail over and over for solving shit/advancing the plot.
I mean, what else can they do? They're up against a guy who can kill everyone on earth, the only way for them to handle it is to appeal to his narcissism.

>>10814
Rightoids seem to not understand satire, just like they think Starship Troopers and Warhammer40k are unironic. The Boys makes fun of liberal IdPol as well but from a clearly leftist angle, but maybe /tv/ thought it was their show because they did that.

>>10819
It makes fun of capeshit. I'm not autistic enough to seriously debate whether or not a capeshit satire counts as capeshit but it's way more than just "superheroes but if they were real".

>>10820
I think they sufficiently updated the comic in the show, it definitely does not feel like a post-9/11 or Bush-era product. Actually I like the show a lot more than the comics. If you think the comic was "okay" you'll probably enjoy the show. Spoiler: unlike in the comics The Boys don't shoot up Compound-V so they have no powers, putting them and the audience in a perpetual worm's-eye view, forcing them to improvise and be creative. Many of the characters are also given an actual arc instead of the cardboard versions from the comics.

>>10810
I really enjoyed it and i don't bother with capeshit in the last 6-7 years.I'm just a sucker for the "the villians are off the chart strong and can kill anyone in a moment's notice" trope oh and the conservative/alt right dynamic in season 2

>>10845

> I'm just a sucker for the "the villians are off the chart strong and can kill anyone in a moment's notice"


Yeah I watched some of it last night and was getting anime vibes. I guess I associate that trope with anime. Like the villains just look insanely powerful at the start but slowly become more vulnerable until the protagonist finally gets their revenge. It’s a fun trope.

Talked about it on the /tv/ thread a bit.
TL;DR: I don't like the show because it's crass and does the same edgy "superheroes revealed to be dirtbags" trope that was all the rage in the 90s. There are some parts I liked, but I wasn't all that enthused.

It makes /pol/ seethe because they're morons who think political satire is aimed at them and only them and can't bear to reflect on themselves, because they'd melt into a puddle of goo from their own toxicity.

Honestly, some of the best political satire of the period. The main political Aplot of the first series is very post-9/11, but the Bplots work so well and the second series is some of the best stuff i've seen about the relationship between the media, the alt right, traditional conservatism, and corporatism that might actually exist (remember, it's only been 4 years since that shit started). I mean there is a bit [Spoilers] where the literal personification of american conservatism starts fucking a literal OG nazi and it is just perfect. Like it somehow manages to make REALLY OTT political statements while just not making them feel handfisted, like because the characters are so well developed that even if you analysed it purely as political archetypes, you can read any interaction as metaphor and proper character development.

I am interested to see where they take the !NOT AOC char, if she turns out to be a corporate stooge/controlled opposition, I think it wont stick the landing but it is 1 million times more interesting than anything the right could critique her for. Personally I think the line will be she was a vought baby that broke the conditioning and now just wants to get revenge.

Oh yeah, and Queen Maeve's entire arc for season 2 is an amazing critique of corporate "pride" culture, it's incredible. Like you never actually get to see that shit called out for what it is.

>The Stormfront actor is Jewish
kekekekek

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>>10810
They reduced Vas aka Love Sausage, one of the few actually good superheroes who was a great help to the main cast throughout the whole run, to a seconds-long cameo and a throwaway penis joke.

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>>10819
>I don't care if it's supposed to be serious 'n sheet
lol what

It's made by someone tired of superhero shit. The original comics though, the TV show is bad.

>>10856
I loved Vas; his death was kinda weak, though.
>>10857
This sequence was great.

>>10857
>tv show is bad

>>10810
I haven't finished season 2.
Some criticism with spoilers:
I generally liked this much more than normal capeshit stuff. The profit motive of characters was good and fresh but also lacked better presentation. The CIA is "good" or has good elements that want to fight terrorism instead of creating it and mainly destabilizing third world countries. The shining light which sounds like shining path is shown as bad when they killed their parents and trafficked people, but are also liberators. This is the common trope that communists are dangerous and criminals, which is kinda lame.

Overall, I've enjoyed it.

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>>10859
Yes, that's what I said.

>>10827
>It’s funny to me to think that Alan Moore has been lambasting capeshit for decades and it’s only gotten more popular.
Even worse, his brand of deconstruction pretty much spawned the "serious" wing of the capeshit spectrum, a significant chunk of the entire industry. Capitalism finding a way to recuperate critiques at its most sublime.
pic unrelated

>>10847
>I guess I associate that trope with anime.
Any examples ?only hxh comes to mind but i don't really watch japanese micky maus

>>10857
>tired of something
&ltmake more of it but ironically and self conscious, that'll show em
we should know better by now

>>10810
>an amazon original series

>>10960
Tbh The Boys isn't ironic, ironically: it plays most of its stuff pretty straight.

>>10848
Honestly I feel like it's pretty obvious that it's less about superheroes but celebrities the way they portray the Seven. It's more like "what if celebrities had actual power" instead of "what if were superheroes were celebrities".

I dislike edgy shit too but whenever they are crass, it kind of lands, like, you never get the feeling that they're exploitative. It's the right amount of edge that carries satire - like, the fact that Stormfront is a bona fide Nazi is actually kind of hilarious when it's revealed.

>>10852
Heh, if they portray totally-not-AOC as a plant they're actually far more left-wing than I gave them credit for. Not sure if they're going for this, the reveal in the end felt a bit like a forced cliffhanger.

There is a Russia subplot in the comics so hopefully they're not going down the Russiagate road, that would be disappointing.

>>10854
Yeah, and visibly Jewish, no idea why they did that.

>>10857
>The original comics though, the TV show is bad
The TV show is better.

>>10997
They won't do Russiagate, in part because they have Stormfront do direct media manipulation that Russiagaters thing Russia does.
>Heh, if they portray totally-not-AOC as a plant they're actually far more left-wing than I gave them credit for. Not sure if they're going for this, the reveal in the end felt a bit like a forced cliffhanger.
"AOC is a corporate plant" doesn't really land IMO, "AOC is an idealist trying to fix a unfixable system" is a better take, but that's obviously not what they are doing now. It could also be a "AOC has realised to fix things she needs to do accelerationism", which is interesting but does not reject the real AOC.

>>10856
>Communist supe has the biggest dick in the universe
but yeah it sucks that they did that
i kinda feel the show is lib

>>11000
Russiagate is just propaganda.

also what is AOC I thought tht was referring to the president candidate but apparently not.

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>>10810
Azula would fit right in this band of psychos

>>11030
>i kinda feel the show is lib
They're taking the shit out of libs too, especially corporate IdPol.

>>11049
Yeah, there's literally a point where they just shit specifically on Joss Whedon

>>11050
>>11049
Really? What episode(s)?

>>11052
The Joss whedon bit is episode 3 of season 2, but shit like that is peppered throughout.

Welp everything that shits on capeshit and is of quality deserves a reading.
Tx for the recomendation!
Godspeed anons!

>>11049
that is true
but they are making fun of everything so even potentially themselves is not exactly out of question

the beginning made me also think that it was leftist or something i.e the concept of the show being that everything in capitalism is a commodity and how vapid it is and the first episode begins with hughie's girlfriend encouraging him to ask his boss to get what he deserves for his labor and the boys being some underground armed resistance group against the giant corporation and supes

But as the shows goes on it starts to feel lib.
Billy's killing of supes starts being developed to imply that it is toxic and destroying everything around him and hughie starts to doubts his ways

i.e the classic lib take of well killing is actually bad, reform can actually be achieved!

the entire reputation being important which causes the blackmails against politicians and supes to work aspect in the universe is also what makes me feel it is idealistically lib. in the real world several politicians got caught being friends with epistein and literally nothing happened to their reputation.

Sure the nazi cunt being stomped was based as fuck.
And of course in the end where the reformist progressive politician is shown to also be poisonous and actually just a plant for vought implies otherwise although one could argue that many american liberals do see such aoc type politicians also as dangerous as rightoids and plants for russians or someshit so this could be just a projection

It's all nothing concrete. Will have to see where the show ends. This show at it's core is anti-capitalist but I'm very confused as to what it seeks to imply the alternative or solution is. It feels cynical and I guess that's the point

Don't know anything about Garth Mcinnis or the guys who developed this show so I could very well be wrong about it being lib

>>11081
It is a burger show, i don't think it can espace being lib entirely, even if the creators wanted it. Still i think the main message is quite clear. I especially liked how black capitalist didn't mind even using a nazi as long as it was profitable. That is quite commie-pilled i'd say.

>>10856
Yeah, this was the one thing S02 really botched. Love Sausage was one of the best character of the books.

Looks like love sausage will show up in season 3

https://screenrant.com/boys-season-3-love-sausage-return-confirmed/

Given how season 3 was green light before season 2 was even released im pretty optimistic this show is going to get based now that they've established everything. I still want to know Not AOCs role and if she's really a plant for Vaught.

>>11087
I hated him. He is a walking shitty stereotype.

>>11087
>omg epic soviet penis man
cringe, glad he was left out.

>>11092
>>11094
He was a massive comrade regardless.

i read a spoiler for this comic's ending for billy butcher le tragic ending and it is moronic

in the comic billy is a massive prick so whatever

but i fucking swear the show better end with billy tearing and ending shitlander literally apart in the most gruesome hateful way and then retire peacefully somehow or at least with a happy ending

i hate that the nazi cunt survived. what the fuck are they going to come up with some weakness for the both of the Nazis??
you know what he should do is train his uhm "wife's son"
and use him like that baby he used in season 1 when he was trapped in vought labs and laser eyes garbagelander to death with his own son

kill him with his own misdeed
cheesy but kino ending

also still don't understand why the politician chick was blowing people up
is she working for vought? what is the implication???
is there another secret organization inside vought like hydra?

>>11186
>i read a spoiler for this comic's ending for billy butcher le tragic ending and it is moronic
spoilers for comic ending: black noir is homelander's clone; his sole purpose is to kill homelander if homelander goes rogue and, I dunno, attempts to overthrow the US government. this didn't happen at first, so he went insane. all of the events in the comic are implicitly caused by black noir so he can fulfill his sole purpose of killing homelander. billy has gone his entire life thinking his dead wife's rape baby was homelander's but no, it was black noir's. throughout the comic's run homelander gets increasingly bored and eventually decides "to do what he wants"—this includes overthrowing the US government. homelander and black noir fight in the white house; homelander dies, black noir is wounded. billy finishes off black noir by carving out his skull with a crowbar. that's not where the comic ends, though. billy can't stop butchering, and gradually kills off the the boys one by one until it's just hughie left. hughie, who's had a highly contentious relationship with the boys from the start, decides to confront billy. they meet at the top of the empire state building, of which billy is threatening to bomb. billy gets a rise out of hughie one last time and forces hughie to kill him with a piece of glass to the heart. flash forward a couple months: hughie gives one last ultimatum to vought and makes up with Annie. the end.

>>11094
There was one joke that had to do with his dick in the whole comic.

>>11188
if they do that twist or that tragic liberal ending in the show it would be so fucking stupid

the dickless wuss new guy ends up surviving and getting the girl while everybody else dies

"you either die le hero or live long enough to be le villain"

billy should really kill every major powerful supe or neutralize most of their powers with the exceptions of trusted allies

that is the most logical conclusion

they're all killing superheroes or actively helping in doing it
if any of them suddenly become pacifists next season or butcher ends up becoming the villain i will drop this goddamn show


i would literally have no problem if they do any other twist like
"omg starlight is actually hughie's long lost sister and he gets depressed and becomes a lumberjack"
or that "the entire show was actually a dream billy had after falling asleep on that christmas party he went with his wife to vought"
or that M.M is actually a figment of frenchie's imagination

>>11205
They're not gonna go for that, because in the show Homelander has a son so that's Chekov's gun. Plus we've seen show Black Noir being too weak to be Homelander's clone, and he's taken out by an Almond Joy, and his face is fucked, he is their Deadpool knock-off.

Plus most people hated that ending in the comics.

>>11188
>>11205
I feel the poster missed that Butcher did that stuff because:
Butcher literally wants to genocide everyone who has Compound V in them with a gaseous bioweapon released globally to remove the threat of supes from the Earth forever; he's been planning to do so for a looong time.
The problem with that is in the comics is that V is literally everywhere; plenty of it's practically in the water as toxic waste; meaning he'll genocide most living beings as a whole; not to mention he and Hughie are V'd up in the comic too
Butcher is fine with this because it's worth the price in his mind, idk, I think it's kind of in character, but it's waaaay over the top and edgy in all honesty
So Butcher kills all of The Boys (and Love Sausage man) because he knows they'll stop him (but also because Ennis was being edgy LOL)
So he and Hughie who's not been killed yet end up facing off on the Empire State, where Butcher is threating to detonate all of the bioweapon bombs around the whole world, not just bomb the building;
I honestly hated that all of the other Boys died in this ending, and I thought it was stupid, but Butcher just being that fucking awful kind of made sense to me.

In any case, I don't think the show is going that way at all.
Butcher is if anything constantly making compromise and growing as a person, even if much of his deep-seated isn't just whisked away.
In the comic however, he was wholly without compromise.

>>11213
thank god
if black noir was the guy to takeout homelander in the comics
who was supposed to takeout black noir? did he have a brain chip or something

>>11230
That's understandable. The only time in the show Billy really felt evil to me was when he hammered that kid from sixth sense.

There wasn't much else to do with that character since his kid doesn't really care for him or anything but damn that scene was graphic with him begging to butcher to spare his life in exchange of him helping to find his wife but he still just kept bashing his skull onto the sinks. He had to do it to 'em.

>>11230
Oh man, I completely forgot about the bioweapon stuff; thanks for reminding me.

>>11251
They never explained that. Maybe they thought that a confrontation between Homelander and Homelander's clone would destroy them both, which sort of worked, in the comics you have Homelander slowly losing his mind because he is blackmailed with atrocities he didn't seem to recall, including some horrifying shit like eating (!) a family, which drives him over the edge to the point where he storms the White House, killing the President, and then Black Noir reveals his secret identity in the Oval Office but also seems like a complete nutcase, in that moment Homelander realizes he could have been a "good guy" so he immediately attacks his clone, seemingly severs his arm off with his laser eyes. The next time we see them is Black Noir coming out of the White House seemingly having killed Homelander but being half-dead himself, with a part of his brain hanging out of his skull. He then gets shelling by an entire US Army division with special anti-V ammunition, and only then Butcher is able to finish him off by destroying his brain. Butcher is strong and jacked up with V himself but Homelander and therefore necessarily his clone are ridiculously overpowered and it takes a half-dead Homelander clone being shelled by artillery having half his brain exposed to finish him off.

A brain chip or some artificially built-in weakness seemed to be a most logical contigence plan, in the comics they keep a nuke next to the room in which Homelander grows up.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1190634/reviews?sort=submissionDate&dir=desc

Check out some of the lower star reviews there, those people are very dumb. Constantly bemoaning "leftist propaganda" in season 2 but how season 1 was political flies right past them. The main villain is literally called Homelander who wears an American flag for a cape and holds speeches on a Christian festival about how he's gonna punish America's enemies, how the fuck is this not political? Plus, they complain how the show inserts forced "diversity" into season 2, I don't think they are understanding how they make fun of corporate work culture as well? Maeve's coming out as gay is literally commodified into a candy bar, do those people think that this is supposed to praise shit like that? Also this constant bemoaning of "this show divides us" and makes things more "polarizing when we need unity", Christ, how sensitive are Americans? It's a satire what do you think satire is supposed accomplish? Also there is one guy who gives it a 1 star rating simply because they took the shit out of teachers being armed due to constant school shooters in the last episode and there one that thinks Stormfront represents the Democrats because Democrats hate people based on the color of their skin.

>>11270
corporate woke culture*

>>10810
comic was genius (and a lot more hardcore than the show), but, well its garth ennis so ofc its gud
only seen season 1 so far, was very good, hope it doesnt eventually become garbage weak libshit, but they handled starlight great so far

>>10827
Im into european comic (am french), and garth ennis is one the very select few US comic author I actually like and buy his shit.

>>10828
> I'm not sure how much of this has made it into the show
the show is much more tame, but there are still a lot of epicness, and as the plot is pretty different you wont be spoiled by your knowledge

>>11260
lmfao that's fucking wild

so season 3 is going to either start introducing anti-v weapons or the boys taking the v compound themselves

does the prick have disturbing mommy issues in the comic too?

>>11277
i'm watching the youtube story version of the comics because i don't have a mouse and scrolling every 10 seconds with a track pad is annoying
currently at the part where the legend guy is telling hughie about the origins of supes

the way people were complaining about lamplighter getting killed so soon in the show i thought he was alive for long in the comic but he just got shown in one panel dying as peace offering

>>11277
none of the mommy issues exists in the comics, he also doesn't have a kid. This entire storyline never happens there which leads me to believe that we will get a very different ending. Also, the Homelander in the show seems to be smarter and more cunning than the comic version.

>>11278
Yeah but he'll come back for a brief moment as a zombie. Vought sometimes resurrects superheroes who got killed with Compound-V which turns them in zombies who are then dressed up for a photo op to give away the illusion that they're still alive in the eyes of the public. but yeah, I've read that even the showrunner regretted that they killed off Lamplighter so quickly.

>>11278
>scrolling every 10 seconds with a track pad is annoying
Ever heard of a spacebar?

>>11270
Being a Gr*ngo is being mentally diseased.
One can only lose the Gr*ngo condition by knowing basic shit and the role of Amerikkka in the world.

A comedian I follow complained that the show practically doesn't give a fuck about killing supes in S2 focusing more in having investigation plots and big reveals that doesn't alter the plot in the absolute (showing the sense of apathy that one can sense in the streets, if not recall Wikileaks, the Epstein airplane, etc,etc.)
>>11279
It was a good way to show how they resurrect those fuckers in the real life comics as the Stan Lee allegory put it in the comic

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>>11270
Amigo you've know way of understanding just how bad it is here in Burgerstan.

Let me tell you this:
There was this girl in my class in High School. She was in this thing called 'The Gifted Program;'
I believe this program has its origin in Victorian era eugenics, and it cordons off students who are tested to be high-IQ as a sort of absolute inverse of 'Special Education' for the (literal) retards.
We were in AP English class, that's 'college-level' in High School classes (i.e. normal HS level in any other country).
We got to the unit where we were learning about satire and read Swift's A Modest Proposal,
and this student who is at the highest tier within American education, who even has the IQ meme and everything, reads the work and takes it ""wholly at face value"".
Completely incapable of perceiving the satire in one of the most blatantly satirical works ever written, while in a class actively teaching what satire is; believing that Swift was, in earnest, ""advocating for the cannibalization of Irish babies as an official proposal"",
and not criticizing the fact the English may as well already be, or are already well on their way to, doing that to them given the shear monstrousness of their colonization.

Perhaps it is idealistic of me to claim, there is no statistics to back up a material assertion on the matter, but it truly seems to me that the average American is incapable of comprehending satire in any form,
I do not know if it is cultural or educational, as I cannot materially prove this either, but I believe it is an assertion that most would agree with based on shared experience.
Additionally, rightoids claim oftentimes "It was just a satire bro" when they screech nygger at any old walking-negro, but this is, if anything, a rejection of even attempting to understand the concept of satire,
done in order to smokescreen their being retarded as actually being "intellectual," even if it is not remotely so.

pic unrel.

>>11309
Not a day goes by where I don't fantasize about an alternative future where Frank Lloyd Wright didn't design for suburban America. That pic looks like an office building done in the prairie style of architecture; just gorgeous. It reminds me of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building which was designed by Kenzo Tange of the Metabolist movement.

>>11297
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
I JUST FOUDN THIS OUT

damn thanks anon

>>10810
it's good they really made fun of brands in the most recent season, the lgbt shit had my sides

>>11091
>Not AOCs role and if she's really a plant for Vaught.
Dangerously based.

>>11099
he put the D in the C, as in Democratic Centralism

>>11309
Fuck the Gifted Program, all my homies hate the Gifted Program. Do you know if you talk to most any burger with knowledge of this they will fervently defend the segregation of students into different ability castes? WHICH IS ALL BASED ON SHITTY ASS IQ? GRR. People implicitly know the education system is absolute garbage for most people, but this shit gives bourgeois parents an out to identify their shitty kid as special, and be able to hoard the scarce educational resources onto a small section of the student body.
The irony is that this shit doesn't work, studies show kids will learn more by being all integrated regardless of ability, the kids who are singled out as "gifted" just learn to give up at the slightest adversity because they couldn't possibly need to struggle to learn something.
Rant over, sorry for offtopic post.

>>11354
>Fuck the Gifted Program, all my homies hate the Gifted Program.

Based.

>>11354
I don't remember too well, but when I was in second grade they put me in retard segregation for a day because I would ignore everything the teacher said and stare into the abyss.
Then I guess I did well enough there that they took me out and gave me and IQ test, I got a big number, and then I got put in the 'gifted' program for the rest of my days.
I don't necessarily know if there really is a Bourg element to the 'gifted' program, but it is absolutely an exercise in IQ-based segregation likely with roots in eugenics (if I had to guess)
I would definitely agree that 'gifted' did absolutely nothing to help me nor my fellow students in it in terms of developing intellectual capacity, but the program also did get more resources than the rest of the school:
great efficiency there, eh.
If you were in the program of course, you would get priority if you applied to go on any field trip or outing, which is some real IQ-based caste shit.
I always did pretty shit at half of the gifted stuff anyways and was always really bad with socializing compared to the rest of my 'fellow ubermenschen,' so I'd guess my 'magical big number' was more a side effect of a certain spectrum if you would.
Or some other manner of non-neurotypical disorder; I would say they should have kept me in 'special' for some help instead of 'gifted,' but I doubt they actually help all that much, and just serve to keep you cordoned away from the normals.

Pic unrel again

>>11314
Couldn't agree more.
That is an actual design from the man himself for the National Life Insurance Building in 1923-25 that never got built.
The few buildings he designed that weren't suburban houses commissioned by bourgs were truly splendid.
Makes me think how nice it'd be to have Soviet style mass-production of real Prairie stuff, that doesn't abandon FLW's actual style and aesthetic.
Folks here are quick to judge him I feel since he did do mostly suburbanshit for bourgs, but it was his intention to build stuff for working folk.
Just couldn't actually work out that way due to material conditions.
An architect is allowed to be a bit of an idealist damn it.
As long as they're not a fucking NAZI like a certain Herr Speer.

sage for off-topic

>>11400
Respectable Ted talk anon, I liked it

Physic major Chads, could Homelander have saved that plane? Or were the passengers doomed the very moment he got onboard because he didn't give a fuck?

>>11440
could have saved it if he hadnt lasered both the control panels and the people with the knowledge to use it. Sadly he is so lazy, complacent and stupid he dooms the whole siuation in seconds

>>10810
I'm watching s1e5 and i've been ignoring most plotholes and odd moments and coincidences but I can't stay silent anymore. Why was there the footage of landlord dying in popclaw's apartment? Did the crew hand it to her? For what? Why was it on tv.

>>11656
The Boys has installed bugs.

>>11656
Hughie fudged the cameras in the apartment, including the smart TV, I'm not a tech guy but A-Train must have accidently pulled up the footage.

Now, where the real fuck up is, it's pretty damn sloppy to not come back to the apartment, uninstall everything, and delete the footage. They must have known A-Train or literally anybody at Vought would come back and check her apartment out if she would defect, right?

i've seen nazifags unironically agree with stormfront's white genocide speech, just a perfect encapsulation of these people missing the point

>>11683
Am I the only one who cringed whenever she said race? Not as in the acting or writing is bad, but in character it sounds kind fucked?

>>10810
They got buttmad cause the boys fucked Stormfront in the ass.

>>11683
They actually took it from these rightoids themselves.
>>11689
I think you would have same visceral reaction if any internet nazi said that shit irl.

>>11683
>>11689

at first i thought "oh they fucked up naming her stormfront", then i saw it

>>11707
I'm honestly really curious how Garth Ennis came to be aware of the oldest neo-nazi forum on the internet—assuming that's what the name is in reference to.

>>11667
Still, why would the footage be saved on her tv? I thought it the boys tapped it on their laptop, why would it move from laptop to tv? Also, in the beginning, why would Vought seek to compensate Hughie and not Robin's legal guardians like her family which we don't hear of at all? He's just her boyfriend, almost irrelevant legally.

>>11667
>>11656
There was a secret camera teddy bear filming everything. Nobody noticed it.
Hughie was fucking with the security webcams. Not the teddybear.
>>11440
I think yes, he could've, but as you say, he was a lazy bastard and fucked shit up.
>>11711
They were bribing Hughie to STFU, not for anything legally. If it were in this reality, I don't even think it would be legally binding, but that doesn't mean lawyers wouldn't pressure you to sign it anyways and threaten you if you break the NDA. Presumably, they also bribed Robin's family, if she had any.



I liked The Boys. I'd definitely recommend it. Curiously, a friend who likes cinema as well as trash avengers movies didn't like The Boys. I don't get why, this is clearly superior to any Avengers trash. For me, one of the best series I've seen this year. Granted I don't watch too many.

The political commentary was usually on point. The second half of the second season progressed a little too quickly, but I think it's fine. I liked it anyways. The characters are great, lots of character development, etc. The political commentary is also really fresh, with fake AOC, Stormfront, fake feminism, etc.

>>11708
i assumed it's pretty common knowledge to anyone who knows american far right politics

>>11689
>We are in a war for the culture.
Seems like a perfect encapsulation of these annoying suburbanite /pol/yps. "It's not breads and circus if the massive multibillionaire Fortune 500 CEO is a part of the volk."

>>11712
>Curiously, a friend who likes cinema as well as trash avengers movies didn't like The Boys.
It's because the political commentary and the more subtle elements of satire flies over their head, but they know deep down that it takes the absolute shit out their favorites so they dislike it. It's the normie consoomer equivalent to when you try to present /pol/yps actual theory and they react like "you are trying to deceive me with those big Jew codewords!!!"

>>11741
I mean, I don't think the bit about the "pray the gay away" hero being gay himself is that subtle.

>>11732
I like how some time after she said this they took the boy to fucking Vought Land. This is the culture they're "defending". And "bad guys want to hurt just 'cause of what we look like" the irony truly escapes her. Guess this was intended. Watching this show honestly felt like an exercise in seeing how the writers will write themselves out of this, their presence was palpable sometimes, but it was enjoyable nevertheless.

>>11440
He was completely right about trying to catch it not working. It's a common point made about superman, just like catching a falling person somehow being less destructive than hitting the pavement with the same deceleration. Planes are not designed to be caught by somebody. They hold themselves up by the landing gear when on the ground, and you need 3 points of contact there. In order to lift a plane you'd need 3 supermen to grab the plane by each piece of landing gear.

But if he didn't blast the controls they could have just flown it. Modern planes are not hard to fly, and usually just use autopilot. The human pilots are basically there in case the computer can't handle it like with self-driving cars.

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>>12027
They're not that hard to fly, you only need to at least read a thousand page manual to familiarize with all the controls.

>>12042
Commercial jets are literally on autopilot 99% of the time, including landings and takeoffs.

>>12046
That doesn't mean you can just take the stick and wing it. You couldn't have had even protract the landing gear.

>>12042
You can literally teach someone to land a plane through an intercom, Airplane was accurate.

So with Biden winning the election, and the last two seasons building on a Trump-style America, and the third season probably being about totally-not-AOC being a corporate plant, plus the return of Soldier Boy being a disillusioned cynic, this show might accidently hit the zeitgeist again with the third season.

>>10826
Ugh, my homeric epics. This is what they took from me? :^)

>>10827
In that sense, Moore is just an old grouch that can't own that he and Miller wrote two of the 80s best superhero comics. (Also, have anyone seen Born in Flames? The technique in The Dark Knight of having this tv news inserts seems to be have been inspired of that film.)

>>10952
>Capitalism finding a way to recuperate critiques at its most sublime.
No, it's just esthetic.

Alos, brands aren't anything mystical. Just because someone is having a product etc it is not a religion. If you think it's a religion, it sounds like you're sad that the old religion has fallen aside.

And the origins of brands is just a function of larger societies. Back in the old days, you hanged your wares outside the shop. A broom maker a broom. A cobbler a boot and so on. And from that it's easy to make a metallic or wooden representation of the goods. And this was in a society where you could know pretty much everyone in the manufacturing process.

But when you can't do it, it's important that you have a brand that guarantees that the quality will be even.

Therefore, hanging goods outside the store or having a brand is nothing stranger than a road sign. But who is talking about "road fetihshism" or "reification of roads"?

>>12085
https://coolerinsights.com/2014/06/transcendental-marketing/

Not the person you are replying to but I think the fetishism of branding is to actually treat brands as some kind of natural phenomenon of society

>But when you can't do it, it's important that you have a brand that guarantees that the quality will be even.


Right, that's why Apple's electronics is so desired & the branding so well known. Because of the quality is far & beyond anything else out there on the market.
/s

>>12073
AOC as a corporate plant almost makes me think the writer is a tankie lamo.

>>12089
More like the writer has eyes.

>>12097
what did he mean by this

The episode where they kill the whale made me sad.

>>12716
The killing of sea mammals is a bit too edgy for my part, feels a bit like South Park. However the Deep works as a comedic relief imo.

God can you imagine the horny that is going to come from !NOT AOC being the focus of the series…

>>12784
The Deep in general is handled really well IMO because it's showing what actually happens with the metoo/cancel thing. Those people don't go away, they just become jilted has-beens with a drive to try to redeem themselves and perfect material for groups like scientology. The dying animals is edgy and offputting but I think it helps keep the audience from being endeared to The Deep despite the shit he goes through. It's harder to find someone sympathetic if even when they're at the low point they're still being abusive and causing harm through their negligence.

Honestly surprised that shows like it and "The Expanse" and "Mr Robot" are even on Amazon Prime.

>>12916
Amazon Prime outbid netflix on very specific shows so they can get the prestige. Remember the first major work of alt history of the Golden Age of Television was Amazon Prime…

>>12916
Apparently Jeff Bezos personally liked The Expanse so he got it for Amazon.

>>10810
Homelander soyjak.

The New Mutants is also trying to pull the same thing as The Boys but not as well TBH. A lot of dumb shit in it, though the effects are decent

Reviving the thread!
I watched this show this week. Season 2 was incredibly boring, I loved the butcher-MM-frenchie trio in S1 but I just didn't care after that. Hughie+Starlight scenes were also incredibly boring. I don't know why so many shows make main characters so fucking boring. At this point i'm just watching it for the Homelander, who is my new >LITERALLY ME character (and they had some decent plot twists tbf). One thing that pissed me off and what nobody ever talks about, is that fucking twink Hughie throwing away check worth 45 grand. I think since he didn't even go to the bank, Vought didn't even lose that money. He could have given it to random by-walker and instantly improve their life, pay for someone's medical debt, pay for someone's collage, lift a family out of poverty or just donate it to save some African kids but that fucker just rips it apart. How am i supposed to respect him after that?

Also if you go to the subreddit, the show is mostly liked by democrats who think that they're some sort of radical leftists. Producers probably fall into that category too.

>>13016
>New Mutants
I gotta say it bores the fuck out of me. I'm not really into The Boys either but it's still better. There's another similar DC TV series that has Brendon Fraser voicing a Robot containing the imprinted mind and memories of his character - an 80s racecar driver that died in a crash, but the brain got preserved.

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Looks like for season 3 they'll be doubling down on the political implications.

https://twitter.com/TOFilming_EM/status/1398996909944053767

Also, they did some funny song with the A-Train actor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcd-rwe-SEw

Gives you some 2005-2010 vibes.

>>19706
>i'm just watching it for the Homelander, who is my new >LITERALLY ME character
That is concerning anon.
>Also if you go to the subreddit, the show is mostly liked by democrats who think that they're some sort of radical leftists. Producers probably fall into that category too.
I mean, it's reddit, but they seem to be pretty oblivious to the fact that they also took the shit out of Democratic woke politics. Producers are probably somewhat liberal but they are not too on-the-nose with it. I mean, "AOC" literally turned out to be a master villian.

>>19706
>Also if you go to the subreddit, the show is mostly liked by democrats who think that they're some sort of radical leftists. Producers probably fall into that category too.
Agree with >>19863
I thought it showcased how rotten and insane capitalism/capitalists is/are, and how powerless people are. It really drove the idea that no leader can really fix capitalism, and no scandal is big enough to make capitalism collapse.

Also that everything is manufactured, from AOC to heroes to wars to public outrages. The AOC bit was really prescient, she hadn't yet betrayed her constituency as blatantly and openly as she does now.

>>19862
>DEEPER Ted Cruz
Lewd.

I only watched the first season but it was kinda fun

One thing that bothers me is that they use touch screen phones which i don't know if there are burner phones with touch screens but regular android/iPhone phones would expose their location easily to a corporation of super heros.

New fake ad for The Boys is out. By the way, "Liquid Death" is a real company. Honestly there is tons to unpack here, I love it.

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>>19866
No horny

I thought I'd post Death Battle's Omniman vs Homelander here, since its relevant and kinda a decent video

This was probably made in a lab to be as bad of an attempted subversion of superhero media as possible
I'm actually hatewatching it for that reason
The dialogue is very quippy and can be slightly funny at times

>>36186
>made in a lab to be as bad of an attempted subversion of superhero
the original material was better (and edgier), but theres still plenty of good critique in it (they even critique rainbow capitalism and cooption and neutering of popular struggles)
I usually like garth ennis works and their adaptation

>>36189
The original material was absolute garbage

>>36232
as opposed to the neutered tv show lol?

>>36242
It's less edgy but they gave all characters more layers and development. Deep and A-Train are basically extras in the comics.

It's a good show but the writers seem to struggle to tie things together very well, season three finale was such a letdown.

Also, fuck Garth Ennis. The guy is a hardcore cocksucker for the US military.

>>34900
Omniman is ridiculously overpowered, but let's be honest Invincible is pretty bad compared with The Boys.

Also I get the feeling that they nerfed Homelander in the show compared to the comics.

>>36343
>Also I get the feeling that they nerfed Homelander in the show compared to the comics.
Powerscaling these kinds of shows never actually makes any sense. "Who would win" is only really interesting if you are trying to come up with a story.

>>36343
i like invincible but only if you read it as "what if saiyans were featured in western comics" and not as "superman but LE BAD" which makes the characterization of omniman a bit more compelling

anybody watching gen v? i like it so far

>>36347
They should have just made a series about Irredeemable instead

But I just looked that up and apparently Invincible came first, so, eh, never mind I guess

>>37094
It's better than I expected it to be, but they already announced s2 is in production and I'm fully expecting the season finale to just be a reset to the status quo where nothing substantial happens.

The finale of Gen V wasn't bad at all, and it wasn't a reset. Better than the usual finale of The Boys that usually fails to tie things together. They are doing their own thing while still making enough references to the main show to keep fans interested.

I haven't heard anyone of those young actors before but they are really talented. Cate might be one of the coolest young villains I've seen in capeshit in a while (well The Boys is more of a satire of it).

>>37410
Also, it's often hard for mainstream productions to find the right mix between humour, gore and story - for example, Deadpool fails miserably regarding this. Gen V does a good job here.

>>36343
The ending of Invincible really feels like the MC started some sort of space UN bullshit lol

>>37413
iirc he's destined to become god emperor of the universe, so this is just his young libcuck phase

>>37415
God I hate superhero comics.

>>37410
I wasn't expecting much so I was pretty surprised how the finale turned out. Hopefully s2 doesn't end up floundering.

>>37413
When it was revealed he and nolan had royal blood or whatever I was just tapped out of the comic at that point.

I was watching some of the new Invincible the other night, the episode where the dimension hopping smartman made a big machine to concentrate all his other selves into his own mind. I have some questions. Maybe they answered some in the show, but I was high so I might have missed them.

1. The secret government agency oversees teenage superheroes. Why? Why do people think this is okay?
2. The secret government agency sends an unstable teenager to investigate an energy surge? I guess in this world the likelihood is that its super science fuckery but why aren't the cops handling this shit.
3. The unstable teenager bursts right into a situation where he has no idea what's going on or why, and even though he nor anyone else seems to be in any immediate danger he starts a fight with two people for no other reason than he's in a bad mood. This results in thousands of deaths. Why wasn't literally anyone else put in charge of this?
4. Brain guy doesn't want "his utopia built on blood" and stops the procedure for no reason, directly causing thousands of deaths instead of just one which might have happened if he'd just done nothing. If he's so smart then what the fuck is that all about, especially when he had the power to just send all the blue guys away instead of just letting them beat Invincible to death.
5. How does anyone think that a massive explosion and hundreds of deaths, hundreds of millions of dollars in property damage, and the destruction of all that other dimensional technology, the culprits, and any evidence of what was happening is an acceptable solution to the problem?

>>37442
>why aren't the cops handling this shit.
To busy busting some union or killing some black guy is my guess

>>37442
>4. Brain guy doesn't want "his utopia built on blood" and stops the procedure for no reason, directly causing thousands of deaths instead of just one which might have happened if he'd just done nothing. If he's so smart then what the fuck is that all about, especially when he had the power to just send all the blue guys away instead of just letting them beat Invincible to death.
Yeah, that was incredibly stupid, especially since he can do his portal shit to avoid unwanted attention by just putting the machine in some uninhabited dimension. There was zero reasons for it to happen in the first place.

>>37442
>he starts a fight with two people for no other reason than he's in a bad mood. This results in thousands of deaths. Why wasn't literally anyone else put in charge of this?
Actually that is not true. He followed the Cecil order to stop it. He even asked what to do first.

>>37449
I remember him talking to cecil, but did cecil tell him specifically to go in there, start a fight, and smash everything up, because I thought he went in, told them he was there to stop them, they were like "make us," and he was like "I was hoping you'd say that" because he's all pissed off about his dad going to get space groceries.

binged gen v a bit
kind of put off by the generic school young-folks-figuring-themselves-out angle, it's just tired as fuck with all of the usual cliches

>>37415
>>37440
Oh shit I had completely forgotten about that. Invincible has very strong 2000s liberal vibes.

>>37450
More or less. Besides he had contact with Cecil all that time and he never told him to stop. So i imagine he was all for it. Which at least maks sense, after all being extremely paranoid is his job description and when you see shit like that, with two dangerous criminals who are also technical geniuses, you start to think "doomsday device" so it's safer to just dispose of that than to start asking questions and miss the opportunity. After the murder of their version of avengers/justice league and betrayal of omniman i imagine his mistrust and paranoia are off the charts. So i at least understand where they are coming from. The brainman on the other hand was absolutely fucking moronic.

>>37457
It really does. Mostly it's a teenage drama tho.

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>>37459
>superhero doing illegal as shit work for a secret unaccountable government entity
hey wait a minute

>Publication dateJanuary 2003

Yeah, I thought so.

>>37456
The way I get it is that they were making fun of those cliches by contrasting it with gore.
>young people figuring themselves out
You mean like becoming a genocidal mass murderer like Cate? That's a bit away from the norm.

I think it's fun and I will stand by it. Sometimes it's better than The Boys.

>>37440
>Hopefully s2 doesn't end up floundering.
After all the show is kinda dependent on The Boys so it sort of comes down to whether they fuck it up in season four. I hope they don't take anymore Temp-V, it makes Butcher OP and takes away the fun from the superheroes vs underdogs theme. It was fun for one season but if the Boys can easily overpower every superhero except Homelander, then what's the point of the show. They already fucked up with A-Train and The Deep by the end of season three with their storylines culminating into… nothing? And why would it be anything different, they are completely useless now. At least in season two The Deep beached a whale.

Also, Cate and Sam will be in the Seven in season four, won't they?

>>37501
How is it making fun of cliches by contrasting it with gore? The mass murder stuff also plays into school shooting paranoia which some teen dramas have also done. The superhero stuff in this is just an add-on tbh.

I can't handle the time investment of a TV show, but my friend mentioned to me that the villains are apparently Patagonia wearing SV bourgeoisie, which I like

im reading the comics and theyre even worse than the show lol
billy butcher is even more of le epic cool guy, and literally walks into raynor's office and fucks her in the first issue
hughie is even more of a loser nerd with no real reason for his role in the story

>>37875
>hughie is even more of a loser nerd with no real reason for his role in the story
wait for it

>>37876
wait for what


>>37875
oh yeah and it trivializes the war on terror and stuff like gitmo while moralizing within this basically fairy tale

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Season 1 is a pretty good adaptation right up until that final scene where it's revealed she's alive. Then the subsequent seasons just got immediately worse as an adaptation, and also got a lot dumber. Amazon saw it was their only real big streaming success so they immediately started to draw out the story lines, pad out the plot, and commission a whole bunch of spinoffs. It's exactly the sort of thing that all the Vought and Seven stuff in the show is making fun of. They really blew their load early.

>Becky is revealed to be alive at the end of S1

>this means she went along with the whole superrape/superrapebaby thing more or less willingly
>this also means that Butcher now has no motivation to hate supes other than "he just does"
>now the story is also saddled with the rapebaby having lived too
>and then Becky dies at the end of S2 anyways so what was the point of it all?

>Hughie was traumatized that his last girlfriend died as he could do nothing to stop it

>Starlight 200% needed his help as she was very clearly outmatched dealing with Homelander
>yet she started bitching about the power-up that made him strong enough to nearly kill Homelander and stop being useless for no reason
>they threw in "brain damage lol" to make her correct
>then Starlight gives compound V to Female because she wants powers for the exact same reason as Hughie

>Butcher never brings up Starlight murdered an innocent man to steal his car

>could drive a wedge between Starlight and Hughie
>Butcher actually thinks that’s a good thing she did even though his whole character is about hating supes abusing their power
>Starlight has the gall to complain about Hughie working with a murderer when he works with Butcher again

And on and on. Say what you want about Ennis or the comic, they ironically do a much better job on consistent character work and consistent plotting.
With all the changes the ending with Hughie and Butcher is gimped too if they try it. They didn't put enough focus on their relationship.

Best scene unironically.

>>10810
the only capeshit thing i've seen that looks remotely decent, and even then it looks kind of mid

>>38775
>Ennis or the comic, they ironically do a much better job on consistent character work
They are cardboard characters, that's why they are "consistent". Honestly saying that the comics had better character development is laughable. The characters in the show are way more developed, how can this even be debatable. Homelander alone, but also Maeve, Starlight, Butcher. Deep and A-Train practically don't have speaking roles in the comics.

You complain about plot holes, which is fine, but this a satire show right? And for that their writing is pretty gripping. Like, if you dislike the jokes, the story is still overall not a bad one.

I also liked that The Boys didn't have power from the beginning. It creates a much more interesting dynamic, instead the Boys being stronger than anybody except Homelander and beating everybody up, there are underdogs as normal humans having to try ingenious and creative ways to stand a chance against superhumans, with like blackmail and exploiting weaknesses.

I liked season 2 and 3 as well, except for the last episode which was shit. And season 4 looks as well.

>spin offs

Yeah but the Gen V spin-off actually worked and did it's own thing by still making references to the main show.

>only successful streaming show on Amazon

You can not be serious about that. It prolly blew up the most, that come on.

>>38777
>777
Checked and based take

Just caught up with it, and I liked it, though season 3 was a drop in quality.
Whole season is getting a weapon to killing Homelander, they find him, and at the end neither him or Homelander die – almost nothing really changed except stuff in the beginning of the season and a few stuff in it.

Overall: nothing beats yugioh gx in super hero shows.
Except in length, The Boys atleast doesn't over stay it's welcome, (but still fuck the 1h episode format).


>>38777
It's much better than you think it is.
Super hero media, like horror movies, just make me dredge to watch them since of how underwhelming they can be – but this one was better than I thought.


>>38775
>>38794
Is the comic good?
People say it sucks because it's just a anti-hero wank fest, which makes it interesting in the sense of calibrating a comparison scale for shows that critique their genra.


>>30964
Shout out to this anon who was the only person to post in this thread in 2022, only to just say, "No horny".
A shame this board is so dead.

>>40197
>Whole season is getting a weapon to killing Homelander, they find him, and at the end neither him or Homelander die – almost nothing really changed
It was just the finale that sucked, also A-Train's and The Deep's storylines were nowhere. Rest of the season is as good as the other ones.

The reset they did at the end of season two and three is annoying but else can they write this when it's a show based of excessive stimulation and everyone knows Homelander or Butcher can't die before the end of the show - which goes for five seasons as stated by the producers. Next seen is about the election, just in time for the real one, let's see where they are going with this. So far the social commentary has been up to date and isn't afraid to throw heavy punches against rightoids and libshits just the same.

>comics

It's more crass, it also shits on corporations and celebrity but in a more vulgar way. I prefer the show.

>>40197
>it's just a anti-hero wank fest
And that is what makes it BASED.

>>40200
>It's more crass
IT'S GRIMDARK, ANON, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!!
>>10814
To rightoids leftism is "when SJWs" so saying that rightoids think The Boys makes fun of "leftism" is fundamentally misunderstanding the level of their political ignorance.

>>40200
They could've at least committed to more changes.
Like how the fuck did Mave survive? Soldier boy was pushing it, but mave got blown up.

I was enjoying season 3,(until half way in which I was kinda getting bored), but the ending sucking just hurts the season in retrospect, (at least for me).

(Also, I didn't know it was going for 5 seasons, so that's nice, especially with following up on the commentary).

>>40201
>>40202
Maybe when I go through vagabond I'll check it out.
I don't think I'll prefer it to the show, but it'll be a nice source of inspiration for anti-hero hate.

Just started watching. It's already made pretty clear how it is merging satire of superheros in art/culture and cops, and the Vought International presentation/speech is making me sick in that way an effective critique should. It feels like an Ancapistan private security force wet dream.
I'm not going to pretend the premise, the concept of superheros as powerful corrupt figures or copaganda is novel in itself, but they're exploring it well and that's good to see. And of course, modern high production eye candy and sugar is fun.

How the hell did they manage to get Assad to act the landlord?

How did they manage to copy Captain Jack Sparrow in something so gritty?

/co/ 2006-2018
>wow Totally Spies is just an excuse for writers inserting all their fetishes
/co/ 2019-present
>wow The Boys is just an excuse for writers inserting all their fetishes

>>40682
I mean are they necessarily wrong? /co/ may be full of idiots, but that is one thing they got right.

>>40527
>>40410
???

>>40683
How was it possible to cast AOC as an actor in a superhero film?

>>40683
That's also one thing /co/mrades never said. I made it the fuck up. It's a literary technique often called 'humour'.

>>40693
Actually /co/ has said both things, it's like the oldest joke on the board, pic rel.

>>40692
LOL

watched the s4 trailer and it really pisses me off how much this show loves to do this michelle obama "when they go low, we go high" shit

>>40401
>It feels like an Ancapistan private security force wet dream.
In the comics that's basically the end goal, to make Homelander their F-35.

>>40197
>Is the comic good?
It has its moments. It's kind of fascinating now because of the social stuff it was responding to at the time. Personally I thought the ending was the most underwhelming part, with the ride to get there being pretty fun. If you like seeing awful people get their just desserts and criticism of superheroes and the comic book industry, you should give it a read. There's also Marshall Law which has a similar premise.

>>41922
Hughie's trans friend as a concept was so funny to me for some reason.

>>10814
The show is about the "blue collar" CIA taking on corporatists. The show is incoherent pablum for children

>>41936 (me)
It goes without saying but /tv/ is incapable of true happiness and a useless barometer

>>41936
At least the comic showed one of the MCs constantly plowing the CIA bitch.

>>41938
he's a CIA wetworker in turn so really he's also her bitch and it's a verse situationship

The Boys season 4 just launched with the first three episodes. Will watch it tonight, heard good things so far.

>>42560
Watched it, it seems like the show can't survive anymore without being self-referential to its previous seasons, which is the death of every satire. The memes and political jokes feel like the script was written two years (which it was). There are some cool ideas here and there, most notably that A-Train and The Deep finally get some character development, and for some reason the super smart black chick seems interesting, depending on what they are going to do with her. Ryan's dynamic between Homelander and Butcher is tiring to say the least, so is the rest of the tragic personal backstories of the boys team, it honestly feels like filler because they hardly do anything, besides one little thing in the third episode but everytime you just wait for the next scene that involved The Seven which are infinitely more interesting.

They ramped up the shock value and depravity even more. There is a scene where a bunch of /pol/tards form a human centipede by rimming each other while jerking off to a fascist female podcaster.

>>42577
At least the comic was consistent and wrapped up every storyline neatly. *shrugs*

>>42578
The comic was also pretty primitive with less political commentary and with cardboard characters or no characters at all.

>>42577
Agree, feels kinda disjointed and all over the place.
I enjoyed the scenes with Ryan though. For one, they actually move the plot, for another they are quite good, lad is pulling his weight acting wise.
Generally, writing is wonky and a bit confusing.

It really feels like they have no clue what to do with Hughie, Kimiko, and Frenchie's character for these past 2 seasons.

>>42598
>butcher and homelander: the show
>deep, a-train and ashley for comedic relief
>fill the rest up with hughie's, frenchie's and kimiko's tragic backstore
>anthony starr finally gets his emmy and we can move on to more interesting spin-offs like gen-v season 2

Watching this show as a non-american makes me really hope Trump gets elected in November.


>>42616
The show is a display of how much the US elites detest Trump and his supporters. Their meltdown if actually wins despite 8 years of their multi-billion dollar propaganda campaign against him will be beautiful to watch.

>>42617
The first three seasons fired shots against both sides, libs and rightoids, for some reason the fourth season so far is a pure libfest.


>>42577
>There is a scene where a bunch of /pol/tards form a human centipede by rimming each other while jerking off to a fascist female podcaster
Haven't seen it yet, but this sounds kind of funny.

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>>42617
Trump is elite tho.

>>10939
>>10856
Agree, sadly. The comic is superior solely because of how the Boys take out Stormfront and the way the plot handles Love Sausage.

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>>42641
>for some reason the fourth season so far is a pure libfest
It's election year and libs are stressin'.

>>42644
The elites mostly back Biden now because he is the stability candidate and is far too senile to oppose them.

>>42643
it's one /pol/tard who has the ability to multiply

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>>42647
>2020
Old data.
Trump is elite. Quit backing the elites.

>>42647
Trump is a liberal.

>>42657
>$141 million donations
The bulk of that sum will have been small dollar donations from MAGA supporters.

Anyway, my point is can you ever imagine Amazon producing a show which potrays Biden and his supporters the way S4 of the boys portrays MAGA people and Trump? I highly doubt it.

>>42660
Yeah I meant in the American context.


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>>42665
> bulk of that sum will have been small dollar donations
Proofs? Even if I were to generously say half of that was smol dollar, that leaves about 70 million unaccounted. Trump is elite.
>>42666
Noticed

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>>42668
>Proofs? Even if I were to generously say half of that was smol dollar, that leaves about 70 million unaccounted
They made $50m in one day alone through online donations.
https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20240601-trump-campaign-raises-53-million-in-donations-after-guilty-verdict
>Trump is elite.
Someone should tell that to Jeff Bezos and the New York judicial system.

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>>42669
>The Trump campaign said…
I’m not taking what that billionaire pedophile elite says at face value lel
That’s also still not the “bulk” of the money raised. I expect as most people would that number to be over half the amount raised.

>>42668
I'd assume big money donations will be even less for Trump this time. He used to be elite but very very few companies and capitalists are still backing him.

You do realize that someone may not be elite but you can still oppose him, right?

>>42672
>I’m not taking what that billionaire pedophile elite says at face value
Lol now you sound like one of the people the show makes fun of.

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>>42674
> very very few companies and capitalists are still backing him.
[Citation Needed]
> You do realize that someone may not be elite but you can still oppose him, right?
Irrelevant. Trump is elite.

>>42675
>taking cues from the elitist Bezos show.
Changed your tune pretty fast, huh?

>>12042
then you keep it in the air long enough with autopilot while you fly back down and look for a professional pilot to fly back up and land it properly

>>12027
>just like catching a falling person somehow being less destructive than hitting the pavement with the same deceleration

Well Superman or a similar hero could fly to someone, match their speed and direction and grab them, then slow down.

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>>40197
>People say it sucks because it's just a anti-hero wank fest
It is.
It's also gross and vulgar…which is literally the point, because it's machismo culture taken to cartoony extremes. The whole comic is an attack on toxic masculinity and power fantasies and what isn't the biggest power fantasy of them all if not the superhero genre.

This is why superhero fans prefer the show ten times over it: Not only is the violence and grossness less present, it also includes unironic MCU-like superhero fights which fuels their obsession with powerlevels, superheroes like The Deep get "quirky funny moments", even pieces of shit like Soldier Boy have their "badass" moments, and overall the criticism on superhero media isn't as hard as in the comic.

I love the show. It love how it put its own spin on the original story I don't find the political commentary any worse than the one in the comic, nor I would rate the latter above decent. It's just kind of silly to label the story as the grossest, most evil thing ever created.

Super smart girl is a weird addition and it's not because she's black like the chinlets say. A smart character is only as smart as whoever wrote them, and I don't know if the Boys writers are that smart.

>>42808
She's supposed to be Steve Bannon (or what Steve Bannon is in the heads of liberals), but I have no idea why they cast her as a sassy black woman. It's really quite bizarre.

>>42809
>She's supposed to be Steve Bannon
Source?

>>42810
If Homelander is the Trump analogue, then the person who does all the thinking and strategies for him is the Bannon analogue.

>>42811
Nah. She's probably just a drop-in replacement for Stan Edgar, and possibly a parody of some superhero character.

>>42812
>She's probably just a drop-in replacement for Stan Edgar
that's racist

>>42812
>Stan Edgar
It's criminal how quickly they disposed of him.

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>>38776
I hope you were joking because this scene honest to god pisses me off. Soldier Boy was 100% in the right here and, more importantly, was willing to sacrifice his own personal desires to do the right thing. But suddenly when it’s Butcher’s personal desires, when it’s Butcher’s family, they can’t go through with it? After Butcher himself coerced Soldier Boy into doing the opposite? It’s bullshit.

>inb4 B-b-but Ryan was an innocent bystander!!!

No, Ryan was being groomed by Homelander and used as leverage so Soldier Boy wouldn’t kill him. Ryan refused to leave and even attacked Soldier Boy to protect Homelander. He didn’t deserve to die, but he was not an innocent bystander.

You know who IS innocent? The people who Homelander and Ryan will hurt and kill. The people who don’t have the powers that they do, who can’t fight back and protect themselves. The people who will be abused just like Becca was.

>inb4 B-b-but Soldier Boy probably didn’t care about that!!!

I don’t believe that. And even if it’s true, it’s still something Butcher should have cared about.

Unless this gets called out in Season 4 and the writers wanted us to be upset (which I seriously doubt with how all of Butcher’s friends immediately sided with him), this is just bad writing. It doesn’t help that Jensen Ackles is insanely charismatic and made Soldier Boy much more likable than the writers probably intended, but even without that I still think Soldier Boy was in the right.

Homelander is based

>>42821
based on american imperialism yes

>>42822
I had no idea amazon was anti-imperialist

The new episode was fun. Flying killer sheep. Also Gen V is starting to get blended in, which makes things more interesting.

>>42820
>Unless this gets called out in Season 4
It was already called out by Soldier Boy in that same scene though.

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>marxist character
>blanquist strategy

I'm thinking of watching it, just tell me if its more liberal than leftist or if it's one of those leftist works that liberalize at some point (I'm looking at you One Piece, broke ma heart)

>>42820
>I hope you were joking because this scene honest to god pisses me off.
Yeah it was real shitty writing that made me lose almost all interest in the show. It was an asspull to add more conflict to a finale that already had plenty of conflict. When the characters just change what they're trying to do randomly it makes it impossible to care about the stakes any more because it ruins suspension of disbelief.

>>38776
>>42820
another reason for og butcher being better

>>42933
He's also a literal glowie lol

>>42934
It isn't leftist at all. The first seasons were maybe half as bad, but the new season is so obnoxiously liberal that it's like having your brains bashed in. The show is inimically liberal for these reasons:

1. The antagonist superheroes are conditioned and exploited by humans and corporations; they are the revolutionary subject. The antagonists represent the super-vanguard of the proletariat, a minority of abled revolutionaries.

2. The protagonists are CIA goons who kill revolutionary subjects. The Boys exist to ensure that the superheroes do not rise up against Vought (their capitalist exploiters) and the State.

3. The constant focus on culture war issues and electoral metaphors distracts from the facts above. The show exists to frame class struggle in an absurd, fantastical liberal narrative—to promote bourgeois ideology.

Critical support to Homelander and what he truly represents.

>>42940
>homelander wants to free the proles and hates vought because it's capitalist
amazing shower thought bro

>>42934
its left lib, but theres some good critique in there (including of shit like rainbow washing and cop/corporate propaganda)

>>42940
>conditioned and exploited by humans and corporations
so like everyone else, except they have tons of luxuries, are treated as awesome celebrities, and can do crimes because everything is covered up

>The constant focus on culture war issues and electoral metaphors

its actually pretty well shown how vapid it all is

the ideas that those rich sociopathics fucks are "revolutionary subjects" is laughable

>Critical support to Homelander and what he truly represents.

unironic super supremacy and fascist law of the strongest ?

why are polyps coming here trying to hide their shit in leftist rethoric ?

>>42820
yeah butcher faceheel turn was absolute bullshit, I really hated it. Completely ruined the finale imo.

>>42812
Okay nevermind he's back (but without his control at Vought)

>>42934
It's just Amazon's contribution to the Biden campaign at this point. The fight scenes and special effects are excellent, Antony Starr is great, but I try to ignore the politics - although this is becoming harder and harder.

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>>42928
The problem is that Soldier Boy was clearly being played up as the bad guy in that scene, and because of that we're expected to disagree with him.

When I say it needs to be called out, I mean from a character like Hughie or MM who we're meant to listen to and agree with.

>>42974
No. Its target audience is just Twitter left-libs and people that want an edgy, action TV show to watch. The Singer character is actually an analogy for a centrist president like Biden.

>>42649
A meatspace samefag/sockpuppeteer. This show did its homework.

>>42823
they are, they do sell che t-shirts after all

>>42940
>It isn't leftist because erm leftist == communist am I right leftoidbros?????
No, it's perfectly leftist actually.

>>42934
>unable to watch pop culture unless it pays lip service to leftoidism
Actually embarrassing. I'm guessing you haven't even read Marx if you need to feel good over consuming the "correct" media.

e06 was about how the everyday normal guy will willfully endure torture up until he will be fucked to death by a billionaire.
what am i watching.

>>43052
It was also about how radlibs get mad when they learn the prison industrial complex controlled by a racist slaver will have a slight change of management

>>43053
Wait, wut?
Explain. I haven’t seen it yet.

Feels like the writers have no clue what to do with Hughie.

>>43055
love hughie, another win for the comic

>>43056
This season makes me appreciate the comic more in general, even if I don't like it. At least it could criticize America beyond hitting ctrl+F and replacing everything related to the culture war with "supe"

>>43055
Yeah, Hughie and Butcher have a much closer relationship in the comics. I think they may be leading up to Butcher finally snapping at which point I expect him to have a bigger role. But who knows. They’ve already deviated heavily from the source material. It makes me glad the Disco Elysium adaptation isn’t happening.

the new episode was boring filler and the annoying epic meme bdsm joke bit made me realize how much i hate this show's humor
my interest in the show is plummeting fast

yet another supes comic created by some slightly edgy radlib.

>>43063
This idiocy is just like those thousands of academic essays or youtube videos about the "marxism of peepeepoopoo".

>>43066
For entertainment purposes, Homelander.

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>>43071
My god I felt so lonely thinking i was the only one who was tripping about starlight's face !

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>>43073
It's very sad :(
Evil plastic surgeon.

>>43074
why do women do this to themselves

>>43073
even better is how they try to make it less obnoxious with make up and lighting over the season

>>43074
I’m thinking buccal fat removal, nose job, and some horrible lip filler. She could’ve maybe gotten away with it if it were just the nose job. But buccal fat removal creates a gaunt appearance and I swear she can’t move her lips now when she’s acting. They look stiff.

>>43079
Watched a recent interview with her and she can't fucking talk. An insane decision to make as an actress.

>>43074
the three policies that the working class needs
1. land
2. bread
3. death penalty for plastic surgeons

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>>43075
it's not just women

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>>43081
Cosmetic surgery was invented to help WWI veterans who had half their face blown off. It's still very beneficial for reconstruction after all sorts of problems people have. The issue is using it as an "enhancement."

>>43074
>>43075
>>43081
>>43082
cringe
people can do whatever they want
unrelated to the show as well

>>43084
of course people can do what they want, i'm not totally against plastic surgery but that whole industry brainwashes people into mutilating themselves to chase some latest fashion trend, right now it's apprently fashionable to have weird sunken cheeks but in 5-10 years it will be the other way round again and all these people will go under the knife again, cutting away more of their actual humanity each time

>>43084
having 50 injections of botox by age 23 is peak communism btw

>>43091
if cosmetic surgery was cheaper everyone would do it lol

>>43093
Sure but not to that extent.

>>43094
ok youre right, most people would not get bogged

>>43082
BOGGED.COM

>>43055
The relationship Butcher has with Hughie was easily the best part of the whole comic and the show didn't even try. :(

>>43084
sure the problem is that people hate the way they look or at least think they look inferior because they dont resemble idealized people in media who have whole teams & tons of money poured into manipulating their appearance even without plastic surgery. and then people are encouraged to disown & resent their own appearance to buy into cosmetic industry, fashion, and plastic surgery. i am not moralizing about people altering their body, i am angry that there are industries that encourage and profit off of self loathing and denigration of normal variation in the human body.

>>43123
literally everything is an industry, i try not to care about what the middle class, the class whose main function is consumption, consumes. proletarians cant even afford this shit in the first place (goes hand in hand with how useless being against "consumerism" in general is too, as proles dont even have a choice to be "consumerists" - an already deeply arbitrary and moralistic term anyway)

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wtf i love the filipino shining path

>Homelander is planning to launch his coup on January 6th
urgh.

trim the subplots and the 7th episode could've been the third

>>43152
Funny how dispite all the training kimiko still fights like a retard lashing out at their special ed teacher.

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>>43059
In the comic the humor isn’t much different but it sort of pushes the story forward more often than not. In the show it bogs the story down because it feels like there are entire narrative threads that only serve to get to a punchline. Also Tek Knights death was funnier in the comics anyway.

ok cool showdown but the boys present at the fight should've just killed deep and the new noir

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>>43159
Sorry, but we can't have our heroes killing off supes anymore. That would make them the REAL bad guys!

I swear, Kessler is the only character in this show that makes sense, and he's essentially just the comic book version of Butcher.

>>43160
Yeah, the comic actually makes the point that none of these characters are really “good” by having them live by the sword and die by the sword.

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>>43156
>but it sort of pushes the story forward more often than not
monkey see monkey do without actually understanding why

>>43155
Kimiko's fight well choreographed, she doesn't has a stunwoman, and does a good job as actress for not having a speaking role which is hard to do.

The acting in general is surprisingly good for a show about superheroes. Even though some jokes are cringe, I never cringe when the actors delivers it.

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>>43204
The actors are good, the problem is 100% the writers.

>>43207
>that scene
oof :(

>>43207
I've a little bit of the comic and seriously don't get how people ITT prefer it besides pure contrarianism. That doesn't the writing is always perfect, but come the fuck on. Some things also don't work in a real-life adaption, like Tek-Knight fucking a meteor is impossible to show unless you have unlimited budget, and the budget of this show is already very decent. The characters are more complex and the social commentary is as on point only more modernized with taking shots at both sides.

>>43210
>the characters are more complex
>the social commentary is as on point
>takes shots at both sides
You clearly haven't watched season 4 lmao

>>43210
>The Boys in the comic have powers from the start and spend most of their time kicking the shit out of the 90% of average supes who they’re stronger than. Occasionally needing to fight a real heavy hitter like Stormfront and requiring planning and strategy
>tv show writers said they didn’t do this and instead had the boys without powers because they didn’t want to write them fighting supes all the time and instead they’d need to “fight smart”… but all this actually resulted in was the boys doing the exact same blackmail plot over and over, then sitting and watching the superpowered women on their side fight supes anyway
>comic has a fairly straight forward message about corporate bullshit, vengeance and abuse of power
>the narrative messages just plain don’t make sense in the show. Hughie is called toxic by starlight for wanting powers even though he’s terrified homelander will hurt the woman he loves and he only wants to protect her and himself from the literal most powerful psycho on earth.
>starlight then… gives compound V to kimiko because she wants powers for the exact same reason
>kimiko has a whole story arc about how she’s “not a monster” and doesn’t want to be a weapon
>proceeds to kill a bunch of security guards in agonising ways for no reason while listening to music and clearly enjoying it, all so they can steal a bioweapon (I guess they should’ve just handed over the bioweapon to these randoms and that’s a good enough reason to kill innocent guards?)
and im not even getting into the latest season lol

>muh social commentary

i dont care about that pseud shit if the rest of the show is bad

I'm slowly catching up because I've been really busy with work
Just saw the farm episode.

God the farm episode is dumb.

>I have a vial of the virus!

>we can use it to kill the sheep because the vurus is contagious from bodily fluids.
>oh no now that we infected all these multiple blood bags with the vial of virus, how will we get another sample of the virus?

BRUH. Even if you never learned anything in school how did you live through years of covid and still bevthis ignorant.

God fucking damn Hollywood writers are morans.

oh also i read the confirmed leaks for the remaining episodes and holy shit the show gets even dumber. keeping butchers wife and kid alive to le subvert le expectations was a fucking mistake and just a vehicle for pointless melodrama

>>43252
post em!

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>>43256
Not the person you're replying to but voughHQ leaked a bunch of info a while back and most of it has come true, with only a couple of misses. Someone compiled them on a google drive - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gw_EZ01pLcaXi_7Up_vtRwCIeqzJHPmA

It's not looking too good.

Why does A-Train get a redemption arc? It looked like Deep was gonna get one for the longest time but the show insist on making him out to be the worse for some reason. It doesnt make any sense. A-Train literally kills an innocent girl his first appearance in the show, but the show just shits on the Deep for its entirety. Meanwhile Homelanders a rapist and mass murder, Maeve and Black Noir enable him, Stormfront is Stormfront and they're all basically monsters. But the Deeps sins in comparison are relatively tame.

>>43324
Because the writers are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

>>43324
Well, there's intent. A-Train only inadvertently killed the girl. Meanwhile, the Deep rapes women because he wants to, and he believes in their inferiority and status as objects.

>>43327
And then A-Train also murdered his girlfriend, lol.

>>43324
probably the current belief that rape is worse than murder that stems from the puritanism that says sex (even consensual) is worse than bloody physical violence

>>43324
I think The Deep in the comics was way less of an asshole too, if I remember right.

Thought I’d leave this here.
I like that Ennis nails what Batman is really about. I’ve personally thought it’s the case but it’s weird hearing someone in the comic industry say it out loud.

>>43328
Yep. He sure did.

>>43330
Man. Traditional anglo/wasp thought is so weird

team butcher all the way. did the boys really think that the president needed to be killed for the coup to take place? really.

This season was a lot of meandering for nothing of note to happen until the last 2-3 episodes. It tries to focus more on the characters but the writing for them is just weak and can't carry anything, and the madlibbed political commentary feels lazier than ever. It's also kinda sad that the main plot device of the season was introduced in the spinoff. I can't imagine having watched this season without having seen Gen V first and "lol we found a supe killing virus Somewhere after we realized we can't kill a supe" not coming out of the left field. Regardless s5 has an interesting setup. Can only hope they don't fumble it.

>>43324
I really hate 'redemption arcs' as thing because it just boils down to people doing some moral calculus for characters (especially when the 2 are on the same level of shitty). They wanted a foil between the two, and the character that's responsible for the protagonist being thrust into the plot is more thematically impactful than a character he's barely interacted with.

>>43324
>Why does A-Train get a redemption arc?
Because he's a minority and the writer fetishizes black people.

>>43338
>I can't imagine having watched this season without having seen Gen V first
That's what I did and honestly this season from the very start has been so poor that it put me off watching Gen V entirety.

So this was just a whole fucking season of suffering and setbacks for all the main characters. Honestly it's getting kind of exasperating them always losing because of some bullshit and Homelander managing to accidentally have everything go well for him in spite of his monumental retardation. Between that and the show not helping with my current anxieties as an American (derogatory), if I go into season 5 and something good isn't happening by the end of the first episode I'm dropping it

>>43339
>writer fetishizes black people.
You have to go back

>>43338
>It tries to focus more on the characters
Shows are focused on their characters, yes. And there was a plot, around Singer getting dethroned by the Supes.

>>43345
MM literally walks around wearing black panthers merch while having a framed photo of Obama in his house. A major point in his character development was punching a MAGA supporter in the face. It's like he's the writer's self-insert character but with a hint of blackface.

Mess of a season. To underline their cluelessness the writers doubled down with sage, who planned everything (except for some odd curveballs lmao) and did so for no reason but shits and giggles.

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Welp, that wasn't a good season. Lots of really bad character decisions, political commentary with about as much subtlety as a Magnitude 10 earthquake, and a plot that could've been completely avoided had last season's finale not gone down the way it did.

And Soldier Boy is back! If this were any other show, I'd be stoked - but my trust in the writers has been shaken as of late. There's huge potential for a story where Soldier Boy learns to step up and be the father that Ryan needs (overcoming his childhood trauma and fulfilling his wish to be a good parent), but I'm worried that the writers will instead use this as an opportunity to make him as unlikable as possible to justify a villain arc instead. I think the writers understand that he's a beloved character (why else bring him back if he's not popular?), but I don't have faith in them to understand why he's a beloved character, and that could lead to a very, very disappointing use of the character in the upcoming season. I hope I'm wrong.

>>43344
>So this was just a whole fucking season of suffering and setbacks for all the main characters.
Hughie especially! The poor guy got raped TWICE (or, once and twenty times), and it's either played off as a joke or as Hughie somehow being in the wrong. The show has a horrific double standard for sexual assault, which is particularly egregious when it tries to comment on things like #MeToo.

I can't really think of any character who didn't suffer needlessly over the course of the season. A-Train maybe? At least he got a decent redemption arc. Call me soft-hearted but I'm a sucker for seeing people turn their lives around, and I think A-Train has come a long enough way for it not to be contrived (and also helps Hughie heal, too, which was some much-needed relief for him in an otherwise awful season he had to endure).

>>43330
Part of it is also because women now have a larger voice in society, and can (rightfully) bring to light the horror of sexual violence committed against them. The unintended side effect of this is that the discourse on rape is now centered around women, meaning other victims of sexual assault are not taken as seriously (or even accused of trying to silence women). Hence why Hughie gets victim blamed for suffering assault at the end of the season.

But yes, puritanism plays an important part in it. Partly for belief in an afterlife (which undermines the severity of murder), and partly because people just absolutely hate sex. Puritanism…what a load of nonsense!

>>43328
As bad as this was it at least gives me the slightest hope for Soldier Boy, because if the writers are willing to gloss over something like that for A-Train's redemption arc then surely they can overlook Soldier Boy's abusing his teammates (which he already faced consequences for).

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>>43353
Which is especially ironic considering the consequences of them being unsuccessful is the United States under martial law with a president that's little more than a puppet to Homelander and people already being arrested en masse by Vought police led by supes who are now directly part of the government. The country has descended into outright fascism and the guy at the helm has the power of a demigod and the mind of a petulant twelve year old. Nations have collapsed from fewer shenanigans. So is the takeaway supposed to be if such a thing does happen, the best option is to sit there and let it?
>>43352
Yeah I was mostly okay with this season honestly but they REALLY did my boy Hughie dirty. I got outright mad when Starlight and the show by extension tried to essentially victim blame Hughie for the whole ordeal and barely offering him any sympathy, apparently he was just "too horny" to realize that wasn't really Starlight. If I had been in Hughie's place I'd probably have ended the relationship right then and there, guilt tripping me for being deceived and sexually assaulted by a doppleganger who can perfectly copy your memories is honestly disgusting. Rant over.

One thing I will give this season good credit for is that they've been doing a really good job at making Homelander even scarier. Granted, there comes a point where the lack of release or long term consequences for him makes it uncomfortable to watch, but Anthony Starr is great at showing off just how unstable and immature Homelander really is at the heart of his sadistic tendencies. Also "blow A-Train" is never not going to be funny

With all that said, this next season is apparently the last. My guess is that within the first episode Homelander is going to kill the president in a fit of rage, try to become president himself, and everything falls down from there.

>>43353
wtf is splatterpunk

The last 5 minutes of season 4 will be what happens if Trump wins in November. VOTE!

>>43356
Fuck of liberal

>>43350
The BP were socialist, you colossal faggot idiot. Literally the only thing wrong with what you typed was having a photo of Obama in his house. Nuyka over here legit crying over a Nazi getting punched. Mods?!?! Where you at?

>>43358
NTA but I think he's referring to Black Panther, as in the Marvel character, who in the modern iteration is a tokenized liberal character and is part of the Capeshit that The Boys is a satire of. Also calling for mods on something THIS insignificant is dumb.

>>43358
Your reading comprehension is shit.
>The BP were socialist, you colossal faggot idiot. Literally the only thing wrong with what you typed was having a photo of Obama in his house.
I'm saying that having a black character be an Obama-loving lib who works for the CIA, while simultaneously wearing black panthers shit, is something that would never happen irl. It's another case of the writers trying to make the show some radical political expression with the ultimate message just being "voot for biden". See >>43353 for evidence of this.

>Nuyka over here legit crying over a Nazi getting punched. Mods?!?! Where you at?

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The punching a c.hud thing is probably something the writer has always wanted to do. But he's a lanky comic book nerd who always follows the rules so he has to get the african american characters in his heckn' superhero show to do it for him.

>>43349
>Shows are focused on their characters, yes
Depends on the show.
>And there was a plot
I'm not saying there wasn't.

I feel ambiguous about the season. I liked that they nerfed the Boys without Temp-V because that took the underdog appeal of them away, Butcher was almost as strong as Homelander which removed the need to them plotting and outfoxing the Supes, finding ever new creative ways to have a chance, which was a lot of that appeal for me. I disliked that aspect in the books as well, where they were stronger than any Supe except Homelander.

The writing for Hughie sucked, and I feel like they had no idea what to do with Frenchie and Kimiko as well. Anthony Starr's Homelander is still the most pristine aspect and show, and I liked they gave character arcs to The Deep and A-Train as well instead just being comedic relief that add nothing to the plot. Starlight was okay-ish, they gave Erin a chance to act her heart out as evil Annie in the last episode. Very good, I didn't think her as that talented.

The political subtext was so-so. It for sure triggers rightoids but it wasn't subtle at all, libs this time got away unscathed, and a lot of felt more like 2016 than 2024 in terms of relevance. Which is weird because the show was at least filmed in 2022. Something was so over the top that it was cringe, like Firecracker.

The season still entertained me, but I felt more of a set up for the final season. I loved that they brought Claire and Sam back from Gen V. The fact she just fucked up Frenchie like that means she is still a menace. Not sure about them killing Neuland, I guess it was necessary for the plot to progress but they could have done it in a different. She seemed really strong but Butcher just killed her without breaking a sweat.

The pacing was alright the finale was miles better than the season 3 one. Liked Sister Sage.

Still better than all other Superhero shows even though it's not technically one because it is satire.

>>43455
>a lot of felt more like 2016 than 2024 in terms of relevance
Homelander is literally trying to do project 2025

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bruh

>>43458
I was sceptical about Gen V too but it turned out good

Plus I like both actors

>>43458
Jensen ACKles was one of the best parts of the show tbh. Soldier Boy has pretty interesting stuff going on.

>>43455
>Still better than all other Superhero shows even though it's not technically one because it is satire
What about Invincible? The only real fumble that show has had was Amber in Season 1, otherwise it's made pretty competently.

>>43462
Right, I don't watch animated shows though. But isn't sort of a rip off from The Boys?

>>43458
the spin-off phenomenon is crazy
i dont mind, though
more slop to shove down my throat

>>43463
They were both early 00 comics but The Boys is about corporate corruption and the inherent tyranny of the superhero archetype while Invincible is about growing into manhood and fatherhood.

>>43482
Oh and sometimes The Savage Dragon shows up.

>>43462
I disagree. S1 was good, s2 was fumbled hard. Every time bigbrain came on screen I sighed, and there was no ending to the series. It just kind of stopped right as it had started building up some momentum. It took me about two weeks to realise that the last episode was the series finale; I thought something went wrong with the streaming service I was using and it wasn't updating the episode list anymore.

>>43482
>Invincible is about growing into manhood and fatherhood.
Viltrum is a metaphor of the US obsfuscating its ruthless imerialism as bringing civilization/democracy to its targets.

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When the show first came out and they pretty much confirmed show Black Noir was black, just like the stuntman in the suit, source material be damned, it was heavily rumored that it was a mandate ordered by Amazon that they needed more than just one black guy on the Seven and Kripke race flipped BN without bothering to do research on the character, to appease Amazon's demands for diversity quotas.

However, Kripke recently gave an interview where he gleefully admits that he race flipped BN (and made Homelander a rapist instead of being framed for rape) because he was THAT fucking pissy that Garth Ennis wussied out on making Homelander be King Satan with the twist that Black Noir was his clone and had framed him in order to gaslight him into going evil so BN could kill him.

Dude fucking hates Homelander THAT fucking much.

>>43529
Yeah probably but in a greater sense Viltrum represents the past of Mark's father that he has to reckon with on the path to manhood. His father ceases to be a hero figure for mark to idolize and instead a tyrant figure that must be overcome.

>>43573
Oh and The Savage Dragon shows up sometimes.


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