I have never seen a show cause more butthurt on /tv/ than this. What are leftypols thoughts?
>>10810Haven't started the show yet but I read the comic a couple months ago; looking back on it I think it's okay. It's definitely a product of the post-9/11 era. I was too young to be seriously affected by that event, so a lot of Garth Ennis' attempts at sincerity kinda fell flat for me. It's hard to take anything seriously when you have things like
Jack from Jupiter getting cancelled for having orgies with trans sex workers or
Black Noir's rape baby bursting from the womb of Butcher's wife, alive and with laser eyes. Any commentary on the US military industrial complex gets squandered by Ennis' own quaint patriotism. I've heard that this is more apparent in
War Stories, but that's pretty far removed from the kind of setting
The Boys originally took place in. As far as capeshit satire goes, I'd probably place it third next to
Marshal Law and the Rick Veitch's
The One. >>10826>>10827Garth Ennis gets meme'd a lot for his outspoken hatred of capeshit, though. He originally pitched
The Boys to DC using their characters. When DC said no, they put him on Wildstorm instead (an imprint of theirs that had become known for creator-owned titles). It was cancelled after six issues because.. have either of you read it? The plot revolves around a guy joining a clandestine CIA group to get revenge against the superhero who wronged him. All of the members of this group have similar intentions and so together, they set out to kill as many superheroes as they can. There's commentary on capeshit becoming the pop culture zeitgeist (including the comics industry's role in exploiting and propagandizing certain things and people) to weapons research being used as a cudgel for US imperialism in general (similar to what the US Military was actually doing in the late 90s/early 00s). There's even a great flashback scene where the corporation responsible for the mass production of superheroes trying to field test a bunch of their "prototypes" at the Battle Of The Bulge during WW2 and failing spectacularly. There are jabs at Marvel, as well: the X-Men exist as the G-Men, and
The Boys' equivalent of Professor X is a literal pedophile. There's a whole arc dedicated to their extermination by depleted uranium bullets. I'm not sure how much of this has made it into the show (again, I've yet to watch it), but if that doesn't interest you then I don't what will.
>>10814>One valid criticism i did see on /tv/ is that the show seems to lean on black mail over and over for solving shit/advancing the plot.I mean, what else can they do? They're up against a guy who can kill everyone on earth, the only way for them to handle it is to appeal to his narcissism.
>>10814Rightoids seem to not understand satire, just like they think Starship Troopers and Warhammer40k are unironic. The Boys makes fun of liberal IdPol as well but from a clearly leftist angle, but maybe /tv/ thought it was their show because they did that.
>>10819It makes fun of capeshit. I'm not autistic enough to seriously debate whether or not a capeshit satire counts as capeshit but it's way more than just "superheroes but if they were real".
Honestly, some of the best political satire of the period. The main political Aplot of the first series is very post-9/11, but the Bplots work so well and the second series is some of the best stuff i've seen about the relationship between the media, the alt right, traditional conservatism, and corporatism that might actually exist (remember, it's only been 4 years since that shit started). I mean there is a bit [Spoilers] where the literal personification of american conservatism starts fucking a literal OG nazi and it is just perfect. Like it somehow manages to make REALLY OTT political statements while just not making them feel handfisted, like because the characters are so well developed that even if you analysed it purely as political archetypes, you can read any interaction as metaphor and proper character development.
I am interested to see where they take the !NOT AOC char, if she turns out to be a corporate stooge/controlled opposition, I think it wont stick the landing but it is 1 million times more interesting than anything the right could critique her for. Personally I think the line will be she was a vought baby that broke the conditioning and now just wants to get revenge.
>>10819>I don't care if it's supposed to be serious 'n sheetlol what
It's made by someone tired of superhero shit. The original comics though, the TV show is bad.
>>10856I loved Vas;
his death was kinda weak, though.
>>10857This sequence was great.
>>10810I haven't finished season 2.
Some criticism with spoilers:
I generally liked this much more than normal capeshit stuff. The profit motive of characters was good and fresh but also lacked better presentation. The CIA is "good" or has good elements that want to fight terrorism instead of creating it and mainly destabilizing third world countries. The shining light which sounds like shining path is shown as bad when they killed their parents and trafficked people, but are also liberators. This is the common trope that communists are dangerous and criminals, which is kinda lame.
Overall, I've enjoyed it.
>>10827>It’s funny to me to think that Alan Moore has been lambasting capeshit for decades and it’s only gotten more popular.Even worse, his brand of deconstruction pretty much spawned the "serious" wing of the capeshit spectrum, a significant chunk of the entire industry. Capitalism finding a way to recuperate critiques at its most sublime.
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>>10857>tired of something<make more of it but ironically and self conscious, that'll show em
we should know better by now
>>10848Honestly I feel like it's pretty obvious that it's less about superheroes but celebrities the way they portray the Seven. It's more like "what if celebrities had actual power" instead of "what if were superheroes were celebrities".
I dislike edgy shit too but whenever they are crass, it kind of lands, like, you never get the feeling that they're exploitative. It's the right amount of edge that carries satire - like, the fact that Stormfront is a bona fide Nazi is actually kind of hilarious when it's revealed.
>>10852Heh, if they portray totally-not-AOC as a plant they're actually far more left-wing than I gave them credit for. Not sure if they're going for this, the reveal in the end felt a bit like a forced cliffhanger.
There is a Russia subplot in the comics so hopefully they're not going down the Russiagate road, that would be disappointing.
>>10854Yeah, and visibly Jewish, no idea why they did that.
>>10857>The original comics though, the TV show is badThe TV show is better.
>>10997They won't do Russiagate, in part because they have Stormfront do direct media manipulation that Russiagaters thing Russia does.
>Heh, if they portray totally-not-AOC as a plant they're actually far more left-wing than I gave them credit for. Not sure if they're going for this, the reveal in the end felt a bit like a forced cliffhanger. "AOC is a corporate plant" doesn't really land IMO, "AOC is an idealist trying to fix a unfixable system" is a better take, but that's obviously not what they are doing now. It could also be a "AOC has realised to fix things she needs to do accelerationism", which is interesting but does not reject the real AOC.
>>10856>Communist supe has the biggest dick in the universe but yeah it sucks that they did that
i kinda feel the show is lib
>>11000Russiagate is just propaganda.
also what is AOC I thought tht was referring to the president candidate but apparently not.
>>11049that is true
but they are making fun of everything so even potentially themselves is not exactly out of question
the beginning made me also think that it was leftist or something i.e the concept of the show being that everything in capitalism is a commodity and how vapid it is and the first episode begins with hughie's girlfriend encouraging him to ask his boss to get what he deserves for his labor and the boys being some underground armed resistance group against the giant corporation and supes
But as the shows goes on it starts to feel lib.
Billy's killing of supes starts being developed to imply that it is toxic and destroying everything around him and hughie starts to doubts his ways
i.e the classic lib take of well killing is actually bad, reform can actually be achieved!
the entire reputation being important which causes the blackmails against politicians and supes to work aspect in the universe is also what makes me feel it is idealistically lib. in the real world several politicians got caught being friends with epistein and literally nothing happened to their reputation.
Sure the nazi cunt being stomped was based as fuck.
And of course in the end where
the reformist progressive politician is shown to also be poisonous and actually just a plant for vought implies otherwise although one could argue that many american liberals do see such
aoc type politicians also as dangerous as rightoids and plants for russians or someshit so this could be just a projection
It's all nothing concrete. Will have to see where the show ends. This show at it's core is anti-capitalist but I'm very confused as to what it seeks to imply the alternative or solution is. It feels cynical and I guess that's the point
Don't know anything about Garth Mcinnis or the guys who developed this show so I could very well be wrong about it being lib
Looks like love sausage will show up in season 3
https://screenrant.com/boys-season-3-love-sausage-return-confirmed/Given how season 3 was green light before season 2 was even released im pretty optimistic this show is going to get based now that they've established everything. I still want to know Not AOCs role and if she's really a plant for Vaught.
>>11092>>11094He was a
massive comrade regardless.
>>11186>i read a spoiler for this comic's ending for billy butcher le tragic ending and it is moronicspoilers for comic ending:
black noir is homelander's clone; his sole purpose is to kill homelander if homelander goes rogue and, I dunno, attempts to overthrow the US government. this didn't happen at first, so he went insane. all of the events in the comic are implicitly caused by black noir so he can fulfill his sole purpose of killing homelander. billy has gone his entire life thinking his dead wife's rape baby was homelander's but no, it was black noir's. throughout the comic's run homelander gets increasingly bored and eventually decides "to do what he wants"—this includes overthrowing the US government. homelander and black noir fight in the white house; homelander dies, black noir is wounded. billy finishes off black noir by carving out his skull with a crowbar. that's not where the comic ends, though.
billy can't stop butchering, and gradually kills off the the boys one by one until it's just hughie left. hughie, who's had a highly contentious relationship with the boys from the start, decides to confront billy. they meet at the top of the empire state building, of which billy is threatening to bomb. billy gets a rise out of hughie one last time and forces hughie to kill him with a piece of glass to the heart. flash forward a couple months: hughie gives one last ultimatum to vought and makes up with Annie. the end.
>>11188if they do that twist or that tragic liberal ending in the show it would be so fucking stupid
the dickless wuss new guy ends up surviving and getting the girl while everybody else dies
"you either die le hero or live long enough to be le villain"
billy should really kill every major powerful supe or neutralize most of their powers with the exceptions of trusted allies
that is the most logical conclusion
they're all killing superheroes or actively helping in doing it
if any of them suddenly become pacifists next season or butcher ends up becoming the villain i will drop this goddamn show
i would literally have no problem if they do any other twist like
"omg starlight is actually hughie's long lost sister and he gets depressed and becomes a lumberjack"
or that "the entire show was actually a dream billy had after falling asleep on that christmas party he went with his wife to vought"
or that M.M is actually a figment of frenchie's imagination
>>11205They're not gonna go for that, because in the show Homelander has a son so that's Chekov's gun. Plus we've seen show Black Noir being too weak to be Homelander's clone, and he's taken out by an Almond Joy, and his face is fucked, he is their Deadpool knock-off.
Plus most people hated that ending in the comics.
>>11188>>11205I feel the poster missed that Butcher did that stuff because:
Butcher literally wants to genocide everyone who has Compound V in them with a gaseous bioweapon released globally to remove the threat of supes from the Earth forever; he's been planning to do so for a looong time.The problem with that is in the comics is that V is literally everywhere; plenty of it's practically in the water as toxic waste; meaning he'll genocide most living beings as a whole; not to mention he and Hughie are V'd up in the comic tooButcher is fine with this because it's worth the price in his mind, idk, I think it's kind of in character, but it's waaaay over the top and edgy in all honestySo Butcher kills all of The Boys (and Love Sausage man) because he knows they'll stop him (but also because Ennis was being edgy LOL)So he and Hughie who's not been killed yet end up facing off on the Empire State, where Butcher is threating to detonate all of the bioweapon bombs around the whole world, not just bomb the building;I honestly hated that all of the other Boys died in this ending, and I thought it was stupid, but Butcher just being that fucking awful kind of made sense to me.In any case, I don't think the show is going that way
at all.
Butcher is if anything constantly making compromise and growing as a person, even if much of his deep-seated isn't just whisked away.
In the comic however, he was wholly without compromise.
>>11213thank god
if black noir was the guy to takeout homelander in the comics
who was supposed to takeout black noir? did he have a brain chip or something
>>11230That's understandable. The only time in the show Billy really felt evil to me was when he hammered that kid from sixth sense.
There wasn't much else to do with that character since his kid doesn't really care for him or anything but damn that scene was graphic with him begging to butcher to spare his life in exchange of him helping to find his wife but he still just kept bashing his skull onto the sinks. He had to do it to 'em.
>>11230Oh man,
I completely forgot about the bioweapon stuff; thanks for reminding me.
>>11251They never explained that. Maybe they thought that a confrontation between Homelander and Homelander's clone would destroy them both, which sort of worked,
in the comics you have Homelander slowly losing his mind because he is blackmailed with atrocities he didn't seem to recall, including some horrifying shit like eating (!) a family, which drives him over the edge to the point where he storms the White House, killing the President, and then Black Noir reveals his secret identity in the Oval Office but also seems like a complete nutcase, in that moment Homelander realizes he could have been a "good guy" so he immediately attacks his clone, seemingly severs his arm off with his laser eyes. The next time we see them is Black Noir coming out of the White House seemingly having killed Homelander but being half-dead himself, with a part of his brain hanging out of his skull. He then gets shelling by an entire US Army division with special anti-V ammunition, and only then Butcher is able to finish him off by destroying his brain. Butcher is strong and jacked up with V himself but Homelander and therefore necessarily his clone are ridiculously overpowered and it takes a half-dead Homelander clone being shelled by artillery having half his brain exposed to finish him off.A brain chip or some artificially built-in weakness seemed to be a most logical contigence plan,
in the comics they keep a nuke next to the room in which Homelander grows up. >>10810comic was genius (and a lot more hardcore than the show), but, well its garth ennis so ofc its gud
only seen season 1 so far, was very good, hope it doesnt eventually become garbage weak libshit, but they handled starlight great so far
>>10827Im into european comic (am french), and garth ennis is one the very select few US comic author I actually like and buy his shit.
>>10828> I'm not sure how much of this has made it into the showthe show is much more tame, but there are still a lot of epicness, and as the plot is pretty different you wont be spoiled by your knowledge
>>11260lmfao that's fucking wild
so season 3 is going to either start introducing anti-v weapons or the boys taking the v compound themselvesdoes the prick have disturbing mommy issues in the comic too?
>>11277i'm watching the youtube story version of the comics because i don't have a mouse and scrolling every 10 seconds with a track pad is annoying
currently at the part where the legend guy is telling hughie about the origins of supes
the way people were complaining about lamplighter getting killed so soon in the show i thought he was alive for long in the comic but he just got shown in one panel dying as peace offering >>11277none of the mommy issues exists in the comics, he also doesn't have a kid. This entire storyline never happens there which leads me to believe that we will get a very different ending. Also, the Homelander in the show seems to be smarter and more cunning than the comic version.>>11278Yeah but he'll come back for a brief moment
as a zombie. Vought sometimes resurrects superheroes who got killed with Compound-V which turns them in zombies who are then dressed up for a photo op to give away the illusion that they're still alive in the eyes of the public. but yeah, I've read that even the showrunner regretted that they killed off Lamplighter so quickly.
>>11270Being a Gr*ngo is being mentally diseased.
One can only lose the Gr*ngo condition by knowing basic shit and the role of Amerikkka in the world.
A comedian I follow complained that the show practically doesn't give a fuck about killing supes in S2 focusing more in having investigation plots and big reveals that doesn't alter the plot in the absolute
(showing the sense of apathy that one can sense in the streets, if not recall Wikileaks, the Epstein airplane, etc,etc.)>>11279It was a good way to show how they resurrect those fuckers in the real life comics as the Stan Lee allegory put it in the comic >>11270Amigo you've know way of understanding just how bad it is here in Burgerstan.
Let me tell you this:
There was this girl in my class in High School. She was in this thing called 'The Gifted Program;'
I believe this program has its origin in Victorian era eugenics, and it cordons off students who are tested to be high-IQ as a sort of absolute inverse of 'Special Education' for the (literal) retards.
We were in AP English class, that's 'college-level' in High School classes (i.e. normal HS level in any other country).
We got to the unit where we were learning about satire and read Swift's
A Modest Proposal,
and this student who is at the highest tier within American education, who even has the IQ meme and everything, reads the work and takes it ""wholly at face value"".
Completely incapable of
perceiving the satire in one of the most blatantly satirical works ever written, while in a class
actively teaching what satire
is; believing that Swift was, in earnest, ""advocating for the cannibalization of Irish babies as an official proposal"",
and not criticizing the fact the English may as well already be, or are already well on their way to, doing that to them given the shear monstrousness of their colonization.
Perhaps it is idealistic of me to claim, there is no statistics to back up a material assertion on the matter, but it truly seems to me that the average American is incapable of comprehending satire in any form,
I do not know if it is cultural or educational, as I cannot materially prove this either, but I believe it is an assertion that most would agree with based on shared experience.
Additionally, rightoids claim oftentimes "It was just a satire bro" when they screech nygger at any old walking-negro, but this is, if anything, a rejection of even attempting to understand the concept of satire,
done in order to smokescreen their being retarded as actually being "intellectual," even if it is not remotely so.
pic unrel.
>>11309Not a day goes by where I don't fantasize about an alternative future where Frank Lloyd Wright
didn't design for suburban America. That pic looks like an office building done in the prairie style of architecture; just gorgeous. It reminds me of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building which was designed by Kenzo Tange of the Metabolist movement.
>>11297HOLY FUCKING SHIT
I JUST FOUDN THIS OUT
damn thanks anon
>>11309Fuck the Gifted Program, all my homies hate the Gifted Program. Do you know if you talk to most any burger with knowledge of this they will fervently defend the segregation of students into different ability castes? WHICH IS ALL BASED ON SHITTY ASS IQ? GRR. People implicitly know the education system is absolute garbage for most people, but this shit gives bourgeois parents an out to identify their shitty kid as special, and be able to hoard the scarce educational resources onto a small section of the student body.
The irony is that this shit doesn't work, studies show kids will learn more by being all integrated regardless of ability, the kids who are singled out as "gifted" just learn to give up at the slightest adversity because they couldn't possibly need to struggle to learn something.
Rant over, sorry for offtopic post.
>>11354I don't remember too well, but when I was in second grade they put me in retard segregation for a day because I would ignore everything the teacher said and stare into the abyss.
Then I guess I did well enough there that they took me out and gave me and IQ test, I got a big number, and then I got put in the 'gifted' program for the rest of my days.
I don't necessarily know if there really is a Bourg element to the 'gifted' program, but it is absolutely an exercise in IQ-based segregation likely with roots in eugenics (if I had to guess)
I would definitely agree that 'gifted' did absolutely nothing to help me nor my fellow students in it in terms of developing intellectual capacity, but the program also did get more resources than the rest of the school:
great efficiency there, eh.
If you were in the program of course, you would get priority if you applied to go on any field trip or outing, which is some real IQ-based caste shit.
I always did pretty shit at half of the gifted stuff anyways and was always really bad with socializing compared to the rest of my 'fellow ubermenschen,' so I'd guess my 'magical big number' was more a side effect of a certain
spectrum if you would.
Or some other manner of non-neurotypical disorder; I would say they should have kept me in 'special' for some help instead of 'gifted,' but I doubt they actually help all that much, and just serve to keep you cordoned away from the normals.
Pic unrel again
>>11314Couldn't agree more.
That is an actual design from the man himself for the National Life Insurance Building in 1923-25 that never got built.
The few buildings he designed that weren't suburban houses commissioned by bourgs were truly splendid.
Makes me think how nice it'd be to have Soviet style mass-production of real Prairie stuff, that doesn't abandon FLW's actual style and aesthetic.
Folks here are quick to judge him I feel since he did do mostly suburbanshit for bourgs, but it was his intention to build stuff for working folk.
Just couldn't actually work out that way due to material conditions.
An architect is allowed to be a bit of an idealist damn it.
As long as they're not a fucking NAZI like a certain Herr Speer.
sage for off-topic
>>11656Hughie fudged the cameras in the apartment, including the smart TV, I'm not a tech guy but A-Train must have accidently pulled up the footage.
Now, where the real fuck up is, it's pretty damn sloppy to not come back to the apartment, uninstall everything, and delete the footage. They must have known A-Train or literally anybody at Vought would come back and check her apartment out if she would defect, right?
>>11683They actually took it from these rightoids themselves.
>>11689I think you would have same visceral reaction if any internet nazi said that shit irl.
>>11667>>11656There was a secret camera teddy bear filming everything. Nobody noticed it.
Hughie was fucking with the security webcams. Not the teddybear.
>>11440I think yes, he could've, but as you say, he was a lazy bastard and fucked shit up.
>>11711They were bribing Hughie to STFU, not for anything legally. If it were in this reality, I don't even think it would be legally binding, but that doesn't mean lawyers wouldn't pressure you to sign it anyways and threaten you if you break the NDA. Presumably, they also bribed Robin's family, if she had any.
I liked The Boys. I'd definitely recommend it. Curiously, a friend who likes cinema as well as trash avengers movies didn't like The Boys. I don't get why, this is clearly superior to any Avengers trash. For me, one of the best series I've seen this year. Granted I don't watch too many.
The political commentary was usually on point. The second half of the second season progressed a little too quickly, but I think it's fine. I liked it anyways. The characters are great, lots of character development, etc. The political commentary is also really fresh, with fake AOC, Stormfront, fake feminism, etc.
>>11440He was completely right about trying to catch it not working. It's a common point made about superman, just like catching a falling person somehow being less destructive than hitting the pavement with the same deceleration. Planes are not designed to be caught by somebody. They hold themselves up by the landing gear when on the ground, and you need 3 points of contact there. In order to lift a plane you'd need 3 supermen to grab the plane by each piece of landing gear.
But if he didn't blast the controls they could have just flown it. Modern planes are not hard to fly, and usually just use autopilot. The human pilots are basically there in case the computer can't handle it like with self-driving cars.
>>10826Ugh, my homeric epics. This is what they took from me? :^)
>>10827In that sense, Moore is just an old grouch that can't own that he and Miller wrote two of the 80s best superhero comics. (Also, have anyone seen
Born in Flames? The technique in
The Dark Knight of having this tv news inserts seems to be have been inspired of that film.)
>>10952>Capitalism finding a way to recuperate critiques at its most sublime.No, it's just esthetic.
Alos, brands aren't anything mystical. Just because someone is having a product etc it is not a religion. If you think it's a religion, it sounds like you're sad that the old religion has fallen aside.
And the origins of brands is just a function of larger societies. Back in the old days, you hanged your wares outside the shop. A broom maker a broom. A cobbler a boot and so on. And from that it's easy to make a metallic or wooden representation of the goods. And this was in a society where you could know pretty much everyone in the manufacturing process.
But when you can't do it, it's important that you have a brand that guarantees that the quality will be even.
Therefore, hanging goods outside the store or having a brand is nothing stranger than a road sign. But who is talking about "road fetihshism" or "reification of roads"?
>>12085https://coolerinsights.com/2014/06/transcendental-marketing/Not the person you are replying to but I think the fetishism of branding is to actually treat brands as some kind of natural phenomenon of society
>But when you can't do it, it's important that you have a brand that guarantees that the quality will be even.Right, that's why Apple's electronics is so desired & the branding so well known. Because of the quality is far & beyond anything else out there on the market.
/s
Looks like for season 3 they'll be doubling down on the political implications.
https://twitter.com/TOFilming_EM/status/1398996909944053767Also, they did some funny song with the A-Train actor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcd-rwe-SEwGives you some 2005-2010 vibes.
>>19706>i'm just watching it for the Homelander, who is my new >LITERALLY ME characterThat is concerning anon.
>Also if you go to the subreddit, the show is mostly liked by democrats who think that they're some sort of radical leftists. Producers probably fall into that category too.I mean, it's reddit, but they seem to be pretty oblivious to the fact that they also took the shit out of Democratic woke politics. Producers are probably somewhat liberal but they are not too on-the-nose with it. I mean, "AOC" literally turned out to be a master villian.
>>19706>Also if you go to the subreddit, the show is mostly liked by democrats who think that they're some sort of radical leftists. Producers probably fall into that category too.Agree with
>>19863I thought it showcased how rotten and insane capitalism/capitalists is/are, and how powerless people are. It really drove the idea that no leader can really fix capitalism, and no scandal is big enough to make capitalism collapse.
Also that everything is manufactured, from AOC to heroes to wars to public outrages. The AOC bit was really prescient, she hadn't yet betrayed her constituency as blatantly and openly as she does now.
>>36186>made in a lab to be as bad of an attempted subversion of superhero the original material was better (and edgier), but theres still plenty of good critique in it (they even critique rainbow capitalism and cooption and neutering of popular struggles)
I usually like garth ennis works and their adaptation
>>36242It's less edgy but they gave all characters more layers and development. Deep and A-Train are basically extras in the comics.
It's a good show but the writers seem to struggle to tie things together very well, season three finale was such a letdown.
Also, fuck Garth Ennis. The guy is a hardcore cocksucker for the US military.
>>34900Omniman is ridiculously overpowered, but let's be honest Invincible is pretty bad compared with The Boys.
Also I get the feeling that they nerfed Homelander in the show compared to the comics.
>>36347They should have just made a series about Irredeemable instead
But I just looked that up and apparently Invincible came first, so, eh, never mind I guess
>>37410I wasn't expecting much so I was pretty surprised how the finale turned out. Hopefully s2 doesn't end up floundering.
>>37413When it was revealed
he and nolan had royal blood or whatever I was just tapped out of the comic at that point.
>>37459>superhero doing illegal as shit work for a secret unaccountable government entityhey wait a minute
>Publication dateJanuary 2003Yeah, I thought so.
>>37456The way I get it is that they were making fun of those cliches by contrasting it with gore.
>young people figuring themselves out You mean like becoming a genocidal mass murderer like Cate? That's a bit away from the norm.
I think it's fun and I will stand by it. Sometimes it's better than The Boys.
>>37440>Hopefully s2 doesn't end up floundering. After all the show is kinda dependent on The Boys so it sort of comes down to whether they fuck it up in season four. I hope they don't take anymore Temp-V, it makes Butcher OP and takes away the fun from the superheroes vs underdogs theme. It was fun for one season but if the Boys can easily overpower every superhero except Homelander, then what's the point of the show. They already fucked up with A-Train and The Deep by the end of season three with their storylines culminating into… nothing? And why would it be anything different, they are completely useless now. At least in season two The Deep beached a whale.
Also, Cate and Sam will be in the Seven in season four, won't they?
>>38775>Ennis or the comic, they ironically do a much better job on consistent character work They are cardboard characters, that's why they are "consistent". Honestly saying that the comics had better character development is laughable. The characters in the show are way more developed, how can this even be debatable. Homelander alone, but also Maeve, Starlight, Butcher. Deep and A-Train practically don't have speaking roles in the comics.
You complain about plot holes, which is fine, but this a satire show right? And for that their writing is pretty gripping. Like, if you dislike the jokes, the story is still overall not a bad one.
I also liked that The Boys didn't have power from the beginning. It creates a much more interesting dynamic, instead the Boys being stronger than anybody except Homelander and beating everybody up, there are underdogs as normal humans having to try ingenious and creative ways to stand a chance against superhumans, with like blackmail and exploiting weaknesses.
I liked season 2 and 3 as well, except for the last episode which was shit. And season 4 looks as well.
>spin offs Yeah but the Gen V spin-off actually worked and did it's own thing by still making references to the main show.
>only successful streaming show on Amazon You can not be serious about that. It prolly blew up the most, that come on.
Just caught up with it, and I liked it, though season 3 was a drop in quality.
Whole season is getting a weapon to killing Homelander, they find him, and at the end neither him or Homelander die – almost nothing really changed except stuff in the beginning of the season and a few stuff in it.
Overall: nothing beats yugioh gx in super hero shows.
Except in length, The Boys atleast doesn't over stay it's welcome, (but still fuck the 1h episode format).
>>38777It's much better than you think it is.
Super hero media, like horror movies, just make me dredge to watch them since of how underwhelming they can be – but this one was better than I thought.
>>38775>>38794Is the comic good?
People say it sucks because it's just a anti-hero wank fest, which makes it interesting in the sense of calibrating a comparison scale for shows that critique their genra.
>>30964Shout out to this anon who was the only person to post in this thread in 2022, only to just say, "No horny".
A shame this board is so dead.
>>40197>Whole season is getting a weapon to killing Homelander, they find him, and at the end neither him or Homelander die – almost nothing really changedIt was just the finale that sucked, also A-Train's and The Deep's storylines were nowhere. Rest of the season is as good as the other ones.
The reset they did at the end of season two and three is annoying but else can they write this when it's a show based of excessive stimulation and everyone knows Homelander or Butcher can't die before the end of the show - which goes for five seasons as stated by the producers. Next seen is about the election, just in time for the real one, let's see where they are going with this. So far the social commentary has been up to date and isn't afraid to throw heavy punches against rightoids and libshits just the same.
>comics It's more crass, it also shits on corporations and celebrity but in a more vulgar way. I prefer the show.
>>40200>It's more crassIT'S GRIMDARK, ANON, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!!
>>10814To rightoids leftism is "when SJWs" so saying that rightoids think The Boys makes fun of "leftism" is fundamentally misunderstanding the level of their political ignorance.
>>40200They could've at least committed to more changes.
Like how the fuck did Mave survive? Soldier boy was pushing it, but mave got blown up.
I was enjoying season 3,(until half way in which I was kinda getting bored), but the ending sucking just hurts the season in retrospect, (at least for me).
(Also, I didn't know it was going for 5 seasons, so that's nice, especially with following up on the commentary).
>>40201>>40202Maybe when I go through vagabond I'll check it out.
I don't think I'll prefer it to the show, but it'll be a nice source of inspiration for anti-hero hate.
>>40682I mean are they necessarily wrong? /co/ may be full of idiots, but that is one thing they got right.
>>40527 >>40410 ???
>>40693Actually /co/ has said both things, it's like the oldest joke on the board, pic rel.
>>40692 LOL
>>41936 (me)
It goes without saying but /tv/ is incapable of true happiness and a useless barometer
>>42560Watched it, it seems like the show can't survive anymore without being self-referential to its previous seasons, which is the death of every satire. The memes and political jokes feel like the script was written two years (which it was). There are some cool ideas here and there, most notably that A-Train and The Deep finally get some character development, and for some reason the super smart black chick seems interesting, depending on what they are going to do with her. Ryan's dynamic between Homelander and Butcher is tiring to say the least, so is the rest of the tragic personal backstories of the boys team, it honestly feels like filler because they hardly do anything, besides one little thing in the third episode but everytime you just wait for the next scene that involved The Seven which are infinitely more interesting.
They ramped up the shock value and depravity even more.
There is a scene where a bunch of /pol/tards form a human centipede by rimming each other while jerking off to a fascist female podcaster. >>42577Agree, feels kinda disjointed and all over the place.
I enjoyed the scenes with Ryan though. For one, they actually move the plot, for another they are quite good, lad is pulling his weight acting wise.
Generally, writing is wonky and a bit confusing.
>>42641>for some reason the fourth season so far is a pure libfestIt's election year and libs are stressin'.
>>42644The elites mostly back Biden now because he is the stability candidate and is far too senile to oppose them.
>>42647>2020Old data.
Trump is elite. Quit backing the elites.
>>42657>$141 million donationsThe bulk of that sum will have been small dollar donations from MAGA supporters.
Anyway, my point is can you ever imagine Amazon producing a show which potrays Biden and his supporters the way S4 of the boys portrays MAGA people and Trump? I highly doubt it.
>>42660Yeah I meant in the American context.
>>42665> bulk of that sum will have been small dollar donationsProofs? Even if I were to generously say half of that was smol dollar, that leaves about 70 million unaccounted. Trump is elite.
>>42666Noticed
>>42668>Proofs? Even if I were to generously say half of that was smol dollar, that leaves about 70 million unaccountedThey made $50m in one day alone through online donations.
https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20240601-trump-campaign-raises-53-million-in-donations-after-guilty-verdict>Trump is elite.Someone should tell that to Jeff Bezos and the New York judicial system.
>>42669>The Trump campaign said…I’m not taking what that billionaire pedophile elite says at face value lel
That’s also still not the “bulk” of the money raised. I expect as most people would that number to be over half the amount raised.
>>42668I'd assume big money donations will be even less for Trump this time. He used to be elite but very very few companies and capitalists are still backing him.
You do realize that someone may not be elite but you can still oppose him, right?
>>42674> very very few companies and capitalists are still backing him. [Citation Needed]> You do realize that someone may not be elite but you can still oppose him, right?Irrelevant. Trump is elite.
>>42675>taking cues from the elitist Bezos show.Changed your tune pretty fast, huh?
>>40197>People say it sucks because it's just a anti-hero wank festIt is.
It's also gross and vulgar…which is literally the point, because it's machismo culture taken to cartoony extremes. The whole comic is an attack on toxic masculinity and power fantasies and what isn't the biggest power fantasy of them all if not the superhero genre.
This is why superhero fans prefer the show ten times over it: Not only is the violence and grossness less present, it also includes unironic MCU-like superhero fights which fuels their obsession with powerlevels, superheroes like The Deep get "quirky funny moments", even pieces of shit like Soldier Boy have their "badass" moments, and overall the criticism on superhero media isn't as hard as in the comic.
I love the show. It love how it put its own spin on the original story I don't find the political commentary any worse than the one in the comic, nor I would rate the latter above decent. It's just kind of silly to label the story as the grossest, most evil thing ever created.
>>38776I hope you were joking because this scene honest to god pisses me off. Soldier Boy was 100% in the right here and, more importantly, was willing to sacrifice his own personal desires to do the right thing. But suddenly when it’s Butcher’s personal desires, when it’s Butcher’s family, they can’t go through with it? After Butcher himself coerced Soldier Boy into doing the opposite? It’s bullshit.
>inb4 B-b-but Ryan was an innocent bystander!!!No, Ryan was being groomed by Homelander and used as leverage so Soldier Boy wouldn’t kill him. Ryan refused to leave and even attacked Soldier Boy to protect Homelander. He didn’t deserve to die, but he was not an innocent bystander.
You know who IS innocent? The people who Homelander and Ryan will hurt and kill. The people who don’t have the powers that they do, who can’t fight back and protect themselves. The people who will be abused just like Becca was.
>inb4 B-b-but Soldier Boy probably didn’t care about that!!!I don’t believe that. And even if it’s true, it’s still something Butcher should have cared about.
Unless this gets called out in Season 4 and the writers wanted us to be upset (which I seriously doubt with how all of Butcher’s friends immediately sided with him), this is just bad writing. It doesn’t help that Jensen Ackles is insanely charismatic and made Soldier Boy much more likable than the writers probably intended, but even without that I still think Soldier Boy was in the right.
>>42934It isn't leftist at all. The first seasons were maybe half as bad, but the new season is so obnoxiously liberal that it's like having your brains bashed in. The show is inimically liberal for these reasons:
1. The antagonist superheroes are conditioned and exploited by humans and corporations; they are the revolutionary subject. The antagonists represent the super-vanguard of the proletariat, a minority of abled revolutionaries.
2. The protagonists are CIA goons who kill revolutionary subjects. The Boys exist to ensure that the superheroes do not rise up against Vought (their capitalist exploiters) and the State.
3. The constant focus on culture war issues and electoral metaphors distracts from the facts above. The show exists to frame class struggle in an absurd, fantastical liberal narrative—to promote bourgeois ideology.
Critical support to Homelander and what he truly represents.
>>42934its left lib, but theres some good critique in there (including of shit like rainbow washing and cop/corporate propaganda)
>>42940>conditioned and exploited by humans and corporationsso like everyone else, except they have tons of luxuries, are treated as awesome celebrities, and can do crimes because everything is covered up
>The constant focus on culture war issues and electoral metaphors its actually pretty well shown how vapid it all is
the ideas that those rich sociopathics fucks are "revolutionary subjects" is laughable
>Critical support to Homelander and what he truly represents.unironic super supremacy and fascist law of the strongest ?
why are polyps coming here trying to hide their shit in leftist rethoric ?
>>42928The problem is that Soldier Boy was clearly being played up as the bad guy in that scene, and because of that we're expected to disagree with him.
When I say it needs to be called out, I mean from a character like Hughie or MM who we're meant to listen to and agree with.
>>43053Wait, wut?
Explain. I haven’t seen it yet.
>>43073It's very sad :(
Evil plastic surgeon.
>>43074the three policies that the working class needs
1. land
2. bread
3. death penalty for plastic surgeons
>>43074>>43075>>43081>>43082cringe
people can do whatever they want
unrelated to the show as well
>>43159Sorry, but we can't have our heroes killing off supes anymore. That would make them the REAL bad guys!
I swear, Kessler is the only character in this show that makes sense, and he's essentially just the comic book version of Butcher.
>>43155Kimiko's fight well choreographed, she doesn't has a stunwoman, and does a good job as actress for not having a speaking role which is hard to do.
The acting in general is surprisingly good for a show about superheroes. Even though some jokes are cringe, I never cringe when the actors delivers it.
>>43210>The Boys in the comic have powers from the start and spend most of their time kicking the shit out of the 90% of average supes who they’re stronger than. Occasionally needing to fight a real heavy hitter like Stormfront and requiring planning and strategy>tv show writers said they didn’t do this and instead had the boys without powers because they didn’t want to write them fighting supes all the time and instead they’d need to “fight smart”… but all this actually resulted in was the boys doing the exact same blackmail plot over and over, then sitting and watching the superpowered women on their side fight supes anyway >comic has a fairly straight forward message about corporate bullshit, vengeance and abuse of power>the narrative messages just plain don’t make sense in the show. Hughie is called toxic by starlight for wanting powers even though he’s terrified homelander will hurt the woman he loves and he only wants to protect her and himself from the literal most powerful psycho on earth.>starlight then… gives compound V to kimiko because she wants powers for the exact same reason>kimiko has a whole story arc about how she’s “not a monster” and doesn’t want to be a weapon >proceeds to kill a bunch of security guards in agonising ways for no reason while listening to music and clearly enjoying it, all so they can steal a bioweapon (I guess they should’ve just handed over the bioweapon to these randoms and that’s a good enough reason to kill innocent guards?) and im not even getting into the latest season lol
>muh social commentaryi dont care about that pseud shit if the rest of the show is bad
>>43256Not the person you're replying to but voughHQ leaked a bunch of info a while back and most of it has come true, with only a couple of misses. Someone compiled them on a google drive -
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gw_EZ01pLcaXi_7Up_vtRwCIeqzJHPmAIt's not looking too good.
>>43328Yep. He sure did.
>>43330Man. Traditional anglo/wasp thought is so weird
This season was a lot of meandering for nothing of note to happen until the last 2-3 episodes. It tries to focus more on the characters but the writing for them is just weak and can't carry anything, and the madlibbed political commentary feels lazier than ever. It's also kinda sad that the main plot device of the season was introduced in the spinoff. I can't imagine having watched this season without having seen Gen V first and
"lol we found a supe killing virus Somewhere after we realized we can't kill a supe" not coming out of the left field. Regardless s5 has an interesting setup. Can only hope they don't fumble it.
>>43324I really hate 'redemption arcs' as thing because it just boils down to people doing some moral calculus for characters (especially when the 2 are on the same level of shitty). They wanted a foil between the two, and the character that's responsible for the protagonist being thrust into the plot is more thematically impactful than a character he's barely interacted with.
>>43324>Why does A-Train get a redemption arc? Because he's a minority and the writer fetishizes black people.
>>43338>I can't imagine having watched this season without having seen Gen V firstThat's what I did and honestly this season from the very start has been so poor that it put me off watching Gen V entirety.
Welp, that wasn't a good season. Lots of really bad character decisions, political commentary with about as much subtlety as a Magnitude 10 earthquake, and a plot that could've been completely avoided had last season's finale not gone down the way it did.
And Soldier Boy is back! If this were any other show, I'd be stoked - but my trust in the writers has been shaken as of late. There's huge potential for a story where Soldier Boy learns to step up and be the father that Ryan needs (overcoming his childhood trauma and fulfilling his wish to be a good parent), but I'm worried that the writers will instead use this as an opportunity to make him as unlikable as possible to justify a villain arc instead. I think the writers understand that he's a beloved character (why else bring him back if he's not popular?), but I don't have faith in them to understand
why he's a beloved character, and that could lead to a very, very disappointing use of the character in the upcoming season. I hope I'm wrong.
>>43344>So this was just a whole fucking season of suffering and setbacks for all the main characters.Hughie especially! The poor guy got raped TWICE (or, once and twenty times), and it's either played off as a joke or as Hughie somehow being in the wrong. The show has a horrific double standard for sexual assault, which is particularly egregious when it tries to comment on things like #MeToo.
I can't really think of any character who didn't suffer needlessly over the course of the season. A-Train maybe? At least he got a decent redemption arc. Call me soft-hearted but I'm a sucker for seeing people turn their lives around, and I think A-Train has come a long enough way for it not to be contrived (and also helps Hughie heal, too, which was some much-needed relief for him in an otherwise awful season he had to endure).
>>43330Part of it is also because women now have a larger voice in society, and can (rightfully) bring to light the horror of sexual violence committed against them. The unintended side effect of this is that the discourse on rape is now centered around women, meaning other victims of sexual assault are not taken as seriously (or even accused of trying to silence women). Hence why Hughie gets victim blamed for suffering assault at the end of the season.
But yes, puritanism plays an important part in it. Partly for belief in an afterlife (which undermines the severity of murder), and partly because people just absolutely hate sex. Puritanism…what a load of nonsense!
>>43328As bad as this was it at least gives me the slightest hope for Soldier Boy, because if the writers are willing to gloss over something like that for A-Train's redemption arc then surely they can overlook Soldier Boy's abusing his teammates (which he already faced consequences for).
>>43353Which is especially ironic considering the consequences of them being unsuccessful is the United States under martial law with a president that's little more than a puppet to Homelander and people already being arrested en masse by Vought police led by supes who are now directly part of the government. The country has descended into outright fascism and the guy at the helm has the power of a demigod and the mind of a petulant twelve year old. Nations have collapsed from fewer shenanigans. So is the takeaway supposed to be if such a thing does happen, the best option is to sit there and let it?
>>43352Yeah I was mostly okay with this season honestly but they REALLY did my boy Hughie dirty. I got outright mad when Starlight and the show by extension tried to essentially victim blame Hughie for the whole ordeal and barely offering him any sympathy, apparently he was just "too horny" to realize that wasn't really Starlight. If I had been in Hughie's place I'd probably have ended the relationship right then and there, guilt tripping me for being deceived and sexually assaulted by a doppleganger who can perfectly copy your memories is honestly disgusting. Rant over.
One thing I will give this season good credit for is that they've been doing a really good job at making Homelander even scarier. Granted, there comes a point where the lack of release or long term consequences for him makes it uncomfortable to watch, but Anthony Starr is great at showing off just how unstable and immature Homelander really is at the heart of his sadistic tendencies. Also "blow A-Train" is never not going to be funny
With all that said, this next season is apparently the last. My guess is that within the first episode Homelander is going to kill the president in a fit of rage, try to become president himself, and everything falls down from there.
>>43358Your reading comprehension is shit.
>The BP were socialist, you colossal faggot idiot. Literally the only thing wrong with what you typed was having a photo of Obama in his house. I'm saying that having a black character be an Obama-loving lib who works for the CIA, while simultaneously wearing black panthers shit, is something that would never happen irl. It's another case of the writers trying to make the show some radical political expression with the ultimate message just being "voot for biden". See
>>43353 for evidence of this.
>Nuyka over here legit crying over a Nazi getting punched. Mods?!?! Where you at?😬
The punching a c.hud thing is probably something the writer has always wanted to do. But he's a lanky comic book nerd who always follows the rules so he has to get the african american characters in his heckn' superhero show to do it for him.
>>43349>Shows are focused on their characters, yesDepends on the show.
>And there was a plotI'm not saying there wasn't.
I feel ambiguous about the season. I liked that they nerfed the Boys without Temp-V because that took the underdog appeal of them away, Butcher was almost as strong as Homelander which removed the need to them plotting and outfoxing the Supes, finding ever new creative ways to have a chance, which was a lot of that appeal for me. I disliked that aspect in the books as well, where they were stronger than any Supe except Homelander.
The writing for Hughie sucked, and I feel like they had no idea what to do with Frenchie and Kimiko as well. Anthony Starr's Homelander is still the most pristine aspect and show, and I liked they gave character arcs to The Deep and A-Train as well instead just being comedic relief that add nothing to the plot. Starlight was okay-ish, they gave Erin a chance to act her heart out as evil Annie in the last episode. Very good, I didn't think her as that talented.
The political subtext was so-so. It for sure triggers rightoids but it wasn't subtle at all, libs this time got away unscathed, and a lot of felt more like 2016 than 2024 in terms of relevance. Which is weird because the show was at least filmed in 2022. Something was so over the top that it was cringe, like Firecracker.
The season still entertained me, but I felt more of a set up for the final season. I loved that they brought Claire and Sam back from Gen V. The fact she just fucked up Frenchie like that means she is still a menace. Not sure about them killing Neuland, I guess it was necessary for the plot to progress but they could have done it in a different. She seemed really strong but Butcher just killed her without breaking a sweat.
The pacing was alright the finale was miles better than the season 3 one. Liked Sister Sage.
Still better than all other Superhero shows even though it's not technically one because it is satire.
>>43458I was sceptical about Gen V too but it turned out good
Plus I like both actors
>>43458the spin-off phenomenon is crazy
i dont mind, though
more slop to shove down my throat
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