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>>43204
The actors are good, the problem is 100% the writers.

>>43207
>that scene
oof :(

>>43207
I've a little bit of the comic and seriously don't get how people ITT prefer it besides pure contrarianism. That doesn't the writing is always perfect, but come the fuck on. Some things also don't work in a real-life adaption, like Tek-Knight fucking a meteor is impossible to show unless you have unlimited budget, and the budget of this show is already very decent. The characters are more complex and the social commentary is as on point only more modernized with taking shots at both sides.

>>43210
>the characters are more complex
>the social commentary is as on point
>takes shots at both sides
You clearly haven't watched season 4 lmao

>>43210
>The Boys in the comic have powers from the start and spend most of their time kicking the shit out of the 90% of average supes who they’re stronger than. Occasionally needing to fight a real heavy hitter like Stormfront and requiring planning and strategy
>tv show writers said they didn’t do this and instead had the boys without powers because they didn’t want to write them fighting supes all the time and instead they’d need to “fight smart”… but all this actually resulted in was the boys doing the exact same blackmail plot over and over, then sitting and watching the superpowered women on their side fight supes anyway
>comic has a fairly straight forward message about corporate bullshit, vengeance and abuse of power
>the narrative messages just plain don’t make sense in the show. Hughie is called toxic by starlight for wanting powers even though he’s terrified homelander will hurt the woman he loves and he only wants to protect her and himself from the literal most powerful psycho on earth.
>starlight then… gives compound V to kimiko because she wants powers for the exact same reason
>kimiko has a whole story arc about how she’s “not a monster” and doesn’t want to be a weapon
>proceeds to kill a bunch of security guards in agonising ways for no reason while listening to music and clearly enjoying it, all so they can steal a bioweapon (I guess they should’ve just handed over the bioweapon to these randoms and that’s a good enough reason to kill innocent guards?)
and im not even getting into the latest season lol

>muh social commentary
i dont care about that pseud shit if the rest of the show is bad

I'm slowly catching up because I've been really busy with work
Just saw the farm episode.

God the farm episode is dumb.

>I have a vial of the virus!
>we can use it to kill the sheep because the vurus is contagious from bodily fluids.
>oh no now that we infected all these multiple blood bags with the vial of virus, how will we get another sample of the virus?

BRUH. Even if you never learned anything in school how did you live through years of covid and still bevthis ignorant.

God fucking damn Hollywood writers are morans.

oh also i read the confirmed leaks for the remaining episodes and holy shit the show gets even dumber. keeping butchers wife and kid alive to le subvert le expectations was a fucking mistake and just a vehicle for pointless melodrama

>>43252
post em!

>>43256
Not the person you're replying to but voughHQ leaked a bunch of info a while back and most of it has come true, with only a couple of misses. Someone compiled them on a google drive - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gw_EZ01pLcaXi_7Up_vtRwCIeqzJHPmA

It's not looking too good.

Why does A-Train get a redemption arc? It looked like Deep was gonna get one for the longest time but the show insist on making him out to be the worse for some reason. It doesnt make any sense. A-Train literally kills an innocent girl his first appearance in the show, but the show just shits on the Deep for its entirety. Meanwhile Homelanders a rapist and mass murder, Maeve and Black Noir enable him, Stormfront is Stormfront and they're all basically monsters. But the Deeps sins in comparison are relatively tame.

>>43324
Because the writers are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

>>43324
Well, there's intent. A-Train only inadvertently killed the girl. Meanwhile, the Deep rapes women because he wants to, and he believes in their inferiority and status as objects.

>>43327
And then A-Train also murdered his girlfriend, lol.

>>43324
probably the current belief that rape is worse than murder that stems from the puritanism that says sex (even consensual) is worse than bloody physical violence

>>43324
I think The Deep in the comics was way less of an asshole too, if I remember right.

Thought I’d leave this here.
I like that Ennis nails what Batman is really about. I’ve personally thought it’s the case but it’s weird hearing someone in the comic industry say it out loud.

>>43328
Yep. He sure did.

>>43330
Man. Traditional anglo/wasp thought is so weird

team butcher all the way. did the boys really think that the president needed to be killed for the coup to take place? really.

This season was a lot of meandering for nothing of note to happen until the last 2-3 episodes. It tries to focus more on the characters but the writing for them is just weak and can't carry anything, and the madlibbed political commentary feels lazier than ever. It's also kinda sad that the main plot device of the season was introduced in the spinoff. I can't imagine having watched this season without having seen Gen V first and "lol we found a supe killing virus Somewhere after we realized we can't kill a supe" not coming out of the left field. Regardless s5 has an interesting setup. Can only hope they don't fumble it.

>>43324
I really hate 'redemption arcs' as thing because it just boils down to people doing some moral calculus for characters (especially when the 2 are on the same level of shitty). They wanted a foil between the two, and the character that's responsible for the protagonist being thrust into the plot is more thematically impactful than a character he's barely interacted with.

>>43324
>Why does A-Train get a redemption arc?
Because he's a minority and the writer fetishizes black people.

>>43338
>I can't imagine having watched this season without having seen Gen V first
That's what I did and honestly this season from the very start has been so poor that it put me off watching Gen V entirety.

So this was just a whole fucking season of suffering and setbacks for all the main characters. Honestly it's getting kind of exasperating them always losing because of some bullshit and Homelander managing to accidentally have everything go well for him in spite of his monumental retardation. Between that and the show not helping with my current anxieties as an American (derogatory), if I go into season 5 and something good isn't happening by the end of the first episode I'm dropping it

>>43339
>writer fetishizes black people.
You have to go back

>>43338
>It tries to focus more on the characters
Shows are focused on their characters, yes. And there was a plot, around Singer getting dethroned by the Supes.

>>43345
MM literally walks around wearing black panthers merch while having a framed photo of Obama in his house. A major point in his character development was punching a MAGA supporter in the face. It's like he's the writer's self-insert character but with a hint of blackface.

Mess of a season. To underline their cluelessness the writers doubled down with sage, who planned everything (except for some odd curveballs lmao) and did so for no reason but shits and giggles.

Welp, that wasn't a good season. Lots of really bad character decisions, political commentary with about as much subtlety as a Magnitude 10 earthquake, and a plot that could've been completely avoided had last season's finale not gone down the way it did.

And Soldier Boy is back! If this were any other show, I'd be stoked - but my trust in the writers has been shaken as of late. There's huge potential for a story where Soldier Boy learns to step up and be the father that Ryan needs (overcoming his childhood trauma and fulfilling his wish to be a good parent), but I'm worried that the writers will instead use this as an opportunity to make him as unlikable as possible to justify a villain arc instead. I think the writers understand that he's a beloved character (why else bring him back if he's not popular?), but I don't have faith in them to understand why he's a beloved character, and that could lead to a very, very disappointing use of the character in the upcoming season. I hope I'm wrong.

>>43344
>So this was just a whole fucking season of suffering and setbacks for all the main characters.
Hughie especially! The poor guy got raped TWICE (or, once and twenty times), and it's either played off as a joke or as Hughie somehow being in the wrong. The show has a horrific double standard for sexual assault, which is particularly egregious when it tries to comment on things like #MeToo.

I can't really think of any character who didn't suffer needlessly over the course of the season. A-Train maybe? At least he got a decent redemption arc. Call me soft-hearted but I'm a sucker for seeing people turn their lives around, and I think A-Train has come a long enough way for it not to be contrived (and also helps Hughie heal, too, which was some much-needed relief for him in an otherwise awful season he had to endure).

>>43330
Part of it is also because women now have a larger voice in society, and can (rightfully) bring to light the horror of sexual violence committed against them. The unintended side effect of this is that the discourse on rape is now centered around women, meaning other victims of sexual assault are not taken as seriously (or even accused of trying to silence women). Hence why Hughie gets victim blamed for suffering assault at the end of the season.

But yes, puritanism plays an important part in it. Partly for belief in an afterlife (which undermines the severity of murder), and partly because people just absolutely hate sex. Puritanism…what a load of nonsense!

>>43328
As bad as this was it at least gives me the slightest hope for Soldier Boy, because if the writers are willing to gloss over something like that for A-Train's redemption arc then surely they can overlook Soldier Boy's abusing his teammates (which he already faced consequences for).

>>43353
Which is especially ironic considering the consequences of them being unsuccessful is the United States under martial law with a president that's little more than a puppet to Homelander and people already being arrested en masse by Vought police led by supes who are now directly part of the government. The country has descended into outright fascism and the guy at the helm has the power of a demigod and the mind of a petulant twelve year old. Nations have collapsed from fewer shenanigans. So is the takeaway supposed to be if such a thing does happen, the best option is to sit there and let it?
>>43352
Yeah I was mostly okay with this season honestly but they REALLY did my boy Hughie dirty. I got outright mad when Starlight and the show by extension tried to essentially victim blame Hughie for the whole ordeal and barely offering him any sympathy, apparently he was just "too horny" to realize that wasn't really Starlight. If I had been in Hughie's place I'd probably have ended the relationship right then and there, guilt tripping me for being deceived and sexually assaulted by a doppleganger who can perfectly copy your memories is honestly disgusting. Rant over.

One thing I will give this season good credit for is that they've been doing a really good job at making Homelander even scarier. Granted, there comes a point where the lack of release or long term consequences for him makes it uncomfortable to watch, but Anthony Starr is great at showing off just how unstable and immature Homelander really is at the heart of his sadistic tendencies. Also "blow A-Train" is never not going to be funny

With all that said, this next season is apparently the last. My guess is that within the first episode Homelander is going to kill the president in a fit of rage, try to become president himself, and everything falls down from there.

>>43353
wtf is splatterpunk

The last 5 minutes of season 4 will be what happens if Trump wins in November. VOTE!

>>43356
Fuck of liberal

>>43350
The BP were socialist, you colossal faggot idiot. Literally the only thing wrong with what you typed was having a photo of Obama in his house. Nuyka over here legit crying over a Nazi getting punched. Mods?!?! Where you at?

>>43358
NTA but I think he's referring to Black Panther, as in the Marvel character, who in the modern iteration is a tokenized liberal character and is part of the Capeshit that The Boys is a satire of. Also calling for mods on something THIS insignificant is dumb.

>>43358
Your reading comprehension is shit.
>The BP were socialist, you colossal faggot idiot. Literally the only thing wrong with what you typed was having a photo of Obama in his house.
I'm saying that having a black character be an Obama-loving lib who works for the CIA, while simultaneously wearing black panthers shit, is something that would never happen irl. It's another case of the writers trying to make the show some radical political expression with the ultimate message just being "voot for biden". See >>43353 for evidence of this.

>Nuyka over here legit crying over a Nazi getting punched. Mods?!?! Where you at?
😬
The punching a c.hud thing is probably something the writer has always wanted to do. But he's a lanky comic book nerd who always follows the rules so he has to get the african american characters in his heckn' superhero show to do it for him.

>>43349
>Shows are focused on their characters, yes
Depends on the show.
>And there was a plot
I'm not saying there wasn't.

I feel ambiguous about the season. I liked that they nerfed the Boys without Temp-V because that took the underdog appeal of them away, Butcher was almost as strong as Homelander which removed the need to them plotting and outfoxing the Supes, finding ever new creative ways to have a chance, which was a lot of that appeal for me. I disliked that aspect in the books as well, where they were stronger than any Supe except Homelander.

The writing for Hughie sucked, and I feel like they had no idea what to do with Frenchie and Kimiko as well. Anthony Starr's Homelander is still the most pristine aspect and show, and I liked they gave character arcs to The Deep and A-Train as well instead just being comedic relief that add nothing to the plot. Starlight was okay-ish, they gave Erin a chance to act her heart out as evil Annie in the last episode. Very good, I didn't think her as that talented.

The political subtext was so-so. It for sure triggers rightoids but it wasn't subtle at all, libs this time got away unscathed, and a lot of felt more like 2016 than 2024 in terms of relevance. Which is weird because the show was at least filmed in 2022. Something was so over the top that it was cringe, like Firecracker.

The season still entertained me, but I felt more of a set up for the final season. I loved that they brought Claire and Sam back from Gen V. The fact she just fucked up Frenchie like that means she is still a menace. Not sure about them killing Neuland, I guess it was necessary for the plot to progress but they could have done it in a different. She seemed really strong but Butcher just killed her without breaking a sweat.

The pacing was alright the finale was miles better than the season 3 one. Liked Sister Sage.

Still better than all other Superhero shows even though it's not technically one because it is satire.

>>43455
>a lot of felt more like 2016 than 2024 in terms of relevance
Homelander is literally trying to do project 2025

bruh

>>43458
I was sceptical about Gen V too but it turned out good

Plus I like both actors

>>43458
Jensen ACKles was one of the best parts of the show tbh. Soldier Boy has pretty interesting stuff going on.

>>43455
>Still better than all other Superhero shows even though it's not technically one because it is satire
What about Invincible? The only real fumble that show has had was Amber in Season 1, otherwise it's made pretty competently.

>>43462
Right, I don't watch animated shows though. But isn't sort of a rip off from The Boys?

>>43458
the spin-off phenomenon is crazy
i dont mind, though
more slop to shove down my throat

>>43463
They were both early 00 comics but The Boys is about corporate corruption and the inherent tyranny of the superhero archetype while Invincible is about growing into manhood and fatherhood.

>>43482
Oh and sometimes The Savage Dragon shows up.

>>43462
I disagree. S1 was good, s2 was fumbled hard. Every time bigbrain came on screen I sighed, and there was no ending to the series. It just kind of stopped right as it had started building up some momentum. It took me about two weeks to realise that the last episode was the series finale; I thought something went wrong with the streaming service I was using and it wasn't updating the episode list anymore.

>>43482
>Invincible is about growing into manhood and fatherhood.
Viltrum is a metaphor of the US obsfuscating its ruthless imerialism as bringing civilization/democracy to its targets.

When the show first came out and they pretty much confirmed show Black Noir was black, just like the stuntman in the suit, source material be damned, it was heavily rumored that it was a mandate ordered by Amazon that they needed more than just one black guy on the Seven and Kripke race flipped BN without bothering to do research on the character, to appease Amazon's demands for diversity quotas.

However, Kripke recently gave an interview where he gleefully admits that he race flipped BN (and made Homelander a rapist instead of being framed for rape) because he was THAT fucking pissy that Garth Ennis wussied out on making Homelander be King Satan with the twist that Black Noir was his clone and had framed him in order to gaslight him into going evil so BN could kill him.

Dude fucking hates Homelander THAT fucking much.

>>43529
Yeah probably but in a greater sense Viltrum represents the past of Mark's father that he has to reckon with on the path to manhood. His father ceases to be a hero figure for mark to idolize and instead a tyrant figure that must be overcome.

>>43573
Oh and The Savage Dragon shows up sometimes.